NCAA College Football 2010

[Fafnir]

Sports should be based on competition, not politics, and unfortunately, college football has become a game of politics, where the outcome of the season is decided by the athletic directors making back door deals to play out of conference teams, rather than the players on the field. 

I don't think its decided by politics based on non-conference schedules, its decided by conference alignment and the polls.

I can't cry to hard for Boise, they schedule their fair share of cupcakes.

This is the year though both TCU and Boise are high enough that they can upend the system, based on the stupid polls which are based entirely on a largely lazy voting pool. (Seriously go look at some voter's ballots they're ridiculous)

[Chris]

Sports should be based on competition, not politics, and unfortunately, college football has become a game of politics, where the outcome of the season is decided by the athletic directors making back door deals to play out of conference teams, rather than the players on the field. 

I don't think its decided by politics based on non-conference schedules, its decided by conference alignment and the polls.

I can't cry to hard for Boise, they schedule their fair share of cupcakes.

This is the year though both TCU and Boise are high enough that they can upend the system, based on the stupid polls which are based entirely on a largely lazy voting pool. (Seriously go look at some voter's ballots they're ridiculous)

Well, the conference alignment is 100% politics and money, and the non-conference schedule is all about politics and money as well.  And of course it is completely understandable.  Simply put, there are just too many teams for it really to be governed by 1 body. 

But I personally think that if there are schools that are not going to be considered for a national championship, based on their conference affiliation, then those conference should not be part of 1-A.  Put them in conference 1-AA (where they have a playoff by the way), so they can actually play for a championship.  Otherwise, they need to find a way to level the playing field, so teams have the ability to win a championship, without actually leaving their conference (which is what has happened with Boise St.).

[Rondo2287]

Sports should be based on competition, not politics, and unfortunately, college football has become a game of politics, where the outcome of the season is decided by the athletic directors making back door deals to play out of conference teams, rather than the players on the field. 

I don't think its decided by politics based on non-conference schedules, its decided by conference alignment and the polls.

I can't cry to hard for Boise, they schedule their fair share of cupcakes.

This is the year though both TCU and Boise are high enough that they can upend the system, based on the stupid polls which are based entirely on a largely lazy voting pool. (Seriously go look at some voter's ballots they're ridiculous)

Hey Faf, where can you see individual ballots?

[Eja117]

Once again we relearn two things this college football weekend.

1. the only team that can beat a top WAC or Mountain West Team is another WAC or Mountain West team.

2. The SEC is overrated and has been for a while. Once you get past Alabama you have....uhhh...Florida that struggled with Miami Ohio, two time Cotton Bowl team Ole Miss that lost to Jacksonville St, and LSU that could barely survive against UNC's junior varsity.

Boise St won against multiple bowl teams last year. They didn't just play cupcakes. Same thing with the MTW

Look at the MTW last year
TCU just barely lost their bowl game to Boise St

Utah beat Cal in their bowl

BYU beat Oregon St in theirs

Air Force beat Case Keenum and CUSA champ Houston in their bowl

Boise St and the top MTW teams have been owning the Pac-10 and all their bowl games for years now. Ask Bama. They got blown out by Utah in the Sugar Bowl just barely more than a year ago. Ask Oklahoma that remembers Boise St beating them and BYU last year.


Teams have more reason to fear Appalachian St or Jacksonville state than any team in the Pac Ten this year. Then you have the Big Least.

Maybe once the Oklahomas and Alabamas and Oregons and Virginia Techs and Pittsburgs start beating these teams when they play them they can act all high and mighty, but they have to actually beat them, which they never do.

[Donoghus]

Once again we relearn two things this college football weekend.

1. the only team that can beat a top WAC or Mountain West Team is another WAC or Mountain West team.

2. The SEC is overrated and has been for a while. Once you get past Alabama you have....uhhh...Florida that struggled with Miami Ohio, two time Cotton Bowl team Ole Miss that lost to Jacksonville St, and LSU that could barely survive against UNC's junior varsity.

Boise St won against multiple bowl teams last year. They didn't just play cupcakes. Same thing with the MTW

Look at the MTW last year
TCU just barely lost their bowl game to Boise St

Utah beat Cal in their bowl

BYU beat Oregon St in theirs

Air Force beat Case Keenum and CUSA champ Houston in their bowl

Boise St and the top MTW teams have been owning the Pac-10 and all their bowl games for years now. Ask Bama. They got blown out by Utah in the Sugar Bowl just barely more than a year ago. Ask Oklahoma that remembers Boise St beating them and BYU last year.


Teams have more reason to fear Appalachian St or Jacksonville state than any team in the Pac Ten this year. Then you have the Big Least.

Maybe once the Oklahomas and Alabamas and Oregons and Virginia Techs and Pittsburgs start beating these teams when they play them they can act all high and mighty, but they have to actually beat them, which they never do.

Holy rush to judgement.

Albeit, Boise State's victory was certainly impressive and will provide plenty of fodder for the season as long as they keep winning. 

However, the first weekend of September does very little to demonstrate to me what things will be like at the end of the year. 

Let's get into conference play before we make any real pronouncements. 

It's college football.  What happened last year oftentimes has very little bearing on the new season.  Too much turnover with personal.  This isn't the NFL.

[Fafnir]

Once again we relearn two things this college football weekend.

1. the only team that can beat a top WAC or Mountain West Team is another WAC or Mountain West team.

2. The SEC is overrated and has been for a while. Once you get past Alabama you have....uhhh...Florida that struggled with Miami Ohio, two time Cotton Bowl team Ole Miss that lost to Jacksonville St, and LSU that could barely survive against UNC's junior varsity.

Boise St won against multiple bowl teams last year. They didn't just play cupcakes. Same thing with the MTW

Look at the MTW last year
TCU just barely lost their bowl game to Boise St

Utah beat Cal in their bowl

BYU beat Oregon St in theirs

Air Force beat Case Keenum and CUSA champ Houston in their bowl

Boise St and the top MTW teams have been owning the Pac-10 and all their bowl games for years now. Ask Bama. They got blown out by Utah in the Sugar Bowl just barely more than a year ago. Ask Oklahoma that remembers Boise St beating them and BYU last year.


Teams have more reason to fear Appalachian St or Jacksonville state than any team in the Pac Ten this year. Then you have the Big Least.

Maybe once the Oklahomas and Alabamas and Oregons and Virginia Techs and Pittsburgs start beating these teams when they play them they can act all high and mighty, but they have to actually beat them, which they never do.

Interesting but not true:

http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/index.shtml

http://blog.philsteele.com/2009/12/10/conference-vs-conference-records/

[Eja117]

Typical Boise St football player conversation

Player 1:  They thought we might have a loss at the end of the season.

Player 2: What's a "loss"?

Player 1: I have absolutely no idea.

[Roy H.]

Typical Boise St football player conversation

Player 1:  They thought we might have a loss at the end of the season.

Player 2: What's a "loss"?

Player 1: I have absolutely no idea.

Typical Boise St. front office conversation:

Athletic Director:  They thought our strength of schedule wasn't strong enough.

Staff member:  What's a "strong strength of schedule"?

Athletic Director:  I have absolutely no idea.

[Eja117]

Once again we relearn two things this college football weekend.

1. the only team that can beat a top WAC or Mountain West Team is another WAC or Mountain West team.

2. The SEC is overrated and has been for a while. Once you get past Alabama you have....uhhh...Florida that struggled with Miami Ohio, two time Cotton Bowl team Ole Miss that lost to Jacksonville St, and LSU that could barely survive against UNC's junior varsity.

Boise St won against multiple bowl teams last year. They didn't just play cupcakes. Same thing with the MTW

Look at the MTW last year
TCU just barely lost their bowl game to Boise St

Utah beat Cal in their bowl

BYU beat Oregon St in theirs

Air Force beat Case Keenum and CUSA champ Houston in their bowl

Boise St and the top MTW teams have been owning the Pac-10 and all their bowl games for years now. Ask Bama. They got blown out by Utah in the Sugar Bowl just barely more than a year ago. Ask Oklahoma that remembers Boise St beating them and BYU last year.


Teams have more reason to fear Appalachian St or Jacksonville state than any team in the Pac Ten this year. Then you have the Big Least.

Maybe once the Oklahomas and Alabamas and Oregons and Virginia Techs and Pittsburgs start beating these teams when they play them they can act all high and mighty, but they have to actually beat them, which they never do.

Interesting but not true:

http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/index.shtml

http://blog.philsteele.com/2009/12/10/conference-vs-conference-records/

The first link listed hundreds of games so probably took into account games going back to the stone age before they invented the forward pass.

The second link was just statistics.

I mean I guess if you want to get technical Oregon just beat MWC team Nw Mexico like 72-0. Have you ever noticed the Boise Sts and Utahs never schedule the bottom feeders of the BCS schools?

I mean USC just beat Hawaii by like 10 whole points. Last year Boise St beat them by 45.

Was anyone surprised by BYU over Washington?

UMass beat 6 win Kansas St last year.  Northwester St beat Baylor 68-13 at Baylor.  Toledo beat Colorado 54-38 last year.  North Dakota State beat Iowa State 34-17 at ISU. Missouri lost to Baylor and Navy.  Yet we say things like "Well if boise St played a real BCS schedule like Texas last yea maybe they could play in the chamionship game"

[Eja117]

Typical Boise St football player conversation

Player 1:  They thought we might have a loss at the end of the season.

Player 2: What's a "loss"?

Player 1: I have absolutely no idea.

Typical Boise St. front office conversation:

Athletic Director:  They thought our strength of schedule wasn't strong enough.

Staff member:  What's a "strong strength of schedule"?

Athletic Director:  I have absolutely no idea.

Good one Roy.

Typical front office of BCS school: We got an offer to play Boise St.

Coach: Noooooooooooo! God nooooooooo!

Athletic director: Don't scare him.

Coach: Seriously. We're trying to win a championship here. We're not Virginia Tech or anything.

[Eja117]

The logic is astounding. It's like if a midget walks into a bar and says "I'll beat up any man here".  So a guy fights him and the midget beats him up. Then a really good fighter fights him and he beats him too. Then his midget friend walks in and does the same thing. They do this about 10 times.

Then the supposed toughest guy in the bar says "Well I'm not going to fight them. I don't have to do that to prove I'm the toughest guy around here".

Exact same thing.

In boxing if you win one title fight a year you're the champ. In the Olympics if you win once every four years you're the champ. In tennis or golf if you win a major a year you're one of the best. But if you're a WAC or MTW team and you beat a good BCS team every single year it's "Well they don't play anyone good".

[Fafnir]

Once again we relearn two things this college football weekend.

1. the only team that can beat a top WAC or Mountain West Team is another WAC or Mountain West team.

2. The SEC is overrated and has been for a while. Once you get past Alabama you have....uhhh...Florida that struggled with Miami Ohio, two time Cotton Bowl team Ole Miss that lost to Jacksonville St, and LSU that could barely survive against UNC's junior varsity.

Boise St won against multiple bowl teams last year. They didn't just play cupcakes. Same thing with the MTW

Look at the MTW last year
TCU just barely lost their bowl game to Boise St

Utah beat Cal in their bowl

BYU beat Oregon St in theirs

Air Force beat Case Keenum and CUSA champ Houston in their bowl

Boise St and the top MTW teams have been owning the Pac-10 and all their bowl games for years now. Ask Bama. They got blown out by Utah in the Sugar Bowl just barely more than a year ago. Ask Oklahoma that remembers Boise St beating them and BYU last year.


Teams have more reason to fear Appalachian St or Jacksonville state than any team in the Pac Ten this year. Then you have the Big Least.

Maybe once the Oklahomas and Alabamas and Oregons and Virginia Techs and Pittsburgs start beating these teams when they play them they can act all high and mighty, but they have to actually beat them, which they never do.

Interesting but not true:

http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/index.shtml

http://blog.philsteele.com/2009/12/10/conference-vs-conference-records/

The first link listed hundreds of games so probably took into account games going back to the stone age before they invented the forward pass.

The second link was just statistics.

I mean I guess if you want to get technical Oregon just beat MWC team Nw Mexico like 72-0. Have you ever noticed the Boise Sts and Utahs never schedule the bottom feeders of the BCS schools?

I mean USC just beat Hawaii by like 10 whole points. Last year Boise St beat them by 45.

Was anyone surprised by BYU over Washington?

UMass beat 6 win Kansas St last year.  Northwester St beat Baylor 68-13 at Baylor.  Toledo beat Colorado 54-38 last year.  North Dakota State beat Iowa State 34-17 at ISU. Missouri lost to Baylor and Navy.  Yet we say things like "Well if boise St played a real BCS schedule like Texas last yea maybe they could play in the chamionship game"

The first link has much more than 100s of games, you can also go conference by conferences. You can look at conferences from year to year. For example all from 2009:

WAC versus ACC:  0-0
WAC versus Big 10: 1-3
WAC versus Big 12: 0-2
WAC versus SEC: 0-2
WAC versus Big East: 0-1
WAC versus Pac 10: 2-3

The second link literally breaks down the numbers of how the conferences did versus each other in 2009, it even sorts by bowl teams to get rid of the bottom feeders.

Its fun to rant and rave, but waving your hand at contradictory evidence isn't going to convince anyone.

[CelticSooner]

Great weekend of college football.

Georgia @ South Carolina
Oregon @ Tennessee
OU @ Florida State
Miami @ Ohio State
Penn State @ Alabama

[Rondo2287]

Great weekend of college football.

Georgia @ South Carolina
Oregon @ Tennessee
OU @ Florida State
Miami @ Ohio State
Penn State @ Alabama
Kent St  @ Boston College

Edited that one for you!

[Eja117]

Once again we relearn two things this college football weekend.

1. the only team that can beat a top WAC or Mountain West Team is another WAC or Mountain West team.

2. The SEC is overrated and has been for a while. Once you get past Alabama you have....uhhh...Florida that struggled with Miami Ohio, two time Cotton Bowl team Ole Miss that lost to Jacksonville St, and LSU that could barely survive against UNC's junior varsity.

Boise St won against multiple bowl teams last year. They didn't just play cupcakes. Same thing with the MTW

Look at the MTW last year
TCU just barely lost their bowl game to Boise St

Utah beat Cal in their bowl

BYU beat Oregon St in theirs

Air Force beat Case Keenum and CUSA champ Houston in their bowl

Boise St and the top MTW teams have been owning the Pac-10 and all their bowl games for years now. Ask Bama. They got blown out by Utah in the Sugar Bowl just barely more than a year ago. Ask Oklahoma that remembers Boise St beating them and BYU last year.


Teams have more reason to fear Appalachian St or Jacksonville state than any team in the Pac Ten this year. Then you have the Big Least.

Maybe once the Oklahomas and Alabamas and Oregons and Virginia Techs and Pittsburgs start beating these teams when they play them they can act all high and mighty, but they have to actually beat them, which they never do.

Interesting but not true:

http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/index.shtml

http://blog.philsteele.com/2009/12/10/conference-vs-conference-records/

The first link listed hundreds of games so probably took into account games going back to the stone age before they invented the forward pass.

The second link was just statistics.

I mean I guess if you want to get technical Oregon just beat MWC team Nw Mexico like 72-0. Have you ever noticed the Boise Sts and Utahs never schedule the bottom feeders of the BCS schools?

I mean USC just beat Hawaii by like 10 whole points. Last year Boise St beat them by 45.

Was anyone surprised by BYU over Washington?

UMass beat 6 win Kansas St last year.  Northwester St beat Baylor 68-13 at Baylor.  Toledo beat Colorado 54-38 last year.  North Dakota State beat Iowa State 34-17 at ISU. Missouri lost to Baylor and Navy.  Yet we say things like "Well if boise St played a real BCS schedule like Texas last yea maybe they could play in the chamionship game"

The first link has much more than 100s of games, you can also go conference by conferences. You can look at conferences from year to year. For example all from 2009:

WAC versus ACC:  0-0
WAC versus Big 10: 1-3
WAC versus Big 12: 0-2
WAC versus SEC: 0-2
WAC versus Big East: 0-1
WAC versus Pac 10: 2-3

The second link literally breaks down the numbers of how the conferences did versus each other in 2009, it even sorts by bowl teams to get rid of the bottom feeders.

Its fun to rant and rave, but waving your hand at contradictory evidence isn't going to convince anyone.

So then by that logic

2010
SEC vs 1-AA Ohio Valley Conference  1-1

I guess we have to go with the evidence and agree the two conferences are equal.