What should we do in the 2010 NBA Draft?

[Chris]

Perk's way underrated here, and a team full of rookies is a bad idea.  I'll be happy with two first-rounders and moving some of the old wood sooner rather than later--not guys at 25 and under.

Well, I think the only way you move Perk for a draft pick is if you get a lottery pick in return.  I also want to be clear that I am not proposing that they fill the team with Rookies.  I just think this team is very thin on assets at the moment, and the best way to build assets (to either build around, or use in trades) is with draft picks.

And when discussing Perkin's value, it is also important to remember that his contract expires next summer, and he will be looking for a sizable raise.  Considering he is most certainly not a star, if they can exchange him for a potential star (which a lottery pick should be), who is locked up for reasonable money for 4 years, then they need to at least look at it.  The bigger question is whether any other team would give up a lottery pick for him, given his contract status.

[Mr October]

Perk's way underrated here, and a team full of rookies is a bad idea.  I'll be happy with two first-rounders and moving some of the old wood sooner rather than later--not guys at 25 and under.

Moving Perk only makes sense if a lottery pick is coming back. I imagine he is worth something in the 8-12 range. Center who can play defense like him don't come around that often (even though he has other flaws in his game - primarily lots of injuries year after year).

I got to admit I'm starting to finally feel the idea of KG moving to center - and play him alongside a Tyrus Thomas type. If that happens, Perkins might need to go.

Back on topic. I'd like to see the Celtics hold onto the 19 pick, and buy another pick in the 25-35 range. I'd like to see a solid 2/3 wing and a raw athletic big man join the team.

[Fan from VT]

Perk's way underrated here, and a team full of rookies is a bad idea.  I'll be happy with two first-rounders and moving some of the old wood sooner rather than later--not guys at 25 and under.

I don't think Perk is generally underrated here, and anyone is tradeable, just depends what you get in return and if you can fill that void. Perk and 19 to move up 5 spots? Not good. Perk and 19 for Favors or Monroe? Might be a steal. I'll leave that up to better prospect scouts than I.

But yeah, I think that Perk is generally appreciated around here. It's weird that when someone's name is mentioned as a trade candidate, it's taken as not appreciated. Not at all, it's that he IS appreciated and could fit a need for someone else while giving us more value. Or that when someone is mentioned as a trade candidate that that player is being dumped for nothing, or the sake of dumping him. Not true, just trying to maximize the talent on the team.

This year was a letdown (or at least a plateau) for Perk after the steady growth up through last season. Objectively his scoring went up, but his rebounds, assists, and blocks went down; subjectively his defense seemed worse (or that hobbled KG exposed his weaknesses a lot more) and his attitude was definitely less team-oriented. He's still good, and I like the guy, but he's not untradeable and who knows how much money he'll fetch on the open market in two years. If you could get a franchise big guy for him and 19, why not? Anyway, that deal probably won't be available, so it's a moot point. but no one (at least not me) is advocating dumping him for no real purpose.

[Michael Anthony]

Ekpe Udoh might not be there, but he is a guy worth trading up for. His length and athletiscism for a power forward is amazing, plus he can handle the ball and pss - he averaged 2.7 assists to go along with his 14 points, 10 rebounds and 4 blocks per game.

If we cannot make that happen, Whiteside is intriguing for his size and defensive potential, and Gani Lawal should be available late. Both would make great running mates for Rondo.

Zoubek would be a no brainer at 52 - perfect 3rd center / 5th big man off the bench.

[bruinsandceltics]

I'm just super excited we have picks so I can watch the draft with interest again.

[KungPoweChicken]

I'd like to package the 19 plus Perkins and try and move into the lottery, if possible.

[Chris]

Ekpe Udoh might not be there, but he is a guy worth trading up for. His length and athletiscism for a power forward is amazing, plus he can handle the ball and pss - he averaged 2.7 assists to go along with his 14 points, 10 rebounds and 4 blocks per game.

If we cannot make that happen, Whiteside is intriguing for his size and defensive potential, and Gani Lawal should be available late. Both would make great running mates for Rondo.

Zoubek would be a no brainer at 52 - perfect 3rd center / 5th big man off the bench.

I want to see Udoh's measurements before trading up for him.  He would be a no-brainer if he fell to 19, no matter how big he is, but I would be hesitant to give up too much value to move up and take him if he is a bit undersized.  

As for Zoubek, I have very little interest in him.  He is big, but that is about all.  He is not that athletic, or that skilled, and does not seem to have a great motor.  The guy I am hoping for at 52 is Trevor Booker.  He had a bit of a disappointing season, but he seems destined to be the next undersized PF who makes an immediate impact in the NBA.

[KungPoweChicken]

Perk's way underrated here, and a team full of rookies is a bad idea.  I'll be happy with two first-rounders and moving some of the old wood sooner rather than later--not guys at 25 and under.

Well, I think the only way you move Perk for a draft pick is if you get a lottery pick in return.  I also want to be clear that I am not proposing that they fill the team with Rookies.  I just think this team is very thin on assets at the moment, and the best way to build assets (to either build around, or use in trades) is with draft picks.

And when discussing Perkin's value, it is also important to remember that his contract expires next summer, and he will be looking for a sizable raise.  Considering he is most certainly not a star, if they can exchange him for a potential star (which a lottery pick should be), who is locked up for reasonable money for 4 years, then they need to at least look at it.  The bigger question is whether any other team would give up a lottery pick for him, given his contract status.

I might as well throw in my two cents. Not only is Perkins not a start, but he is lucky to be starting on a team. He can't make a move without traveling. He's awful from the free throw line. He's one of the slowest players in the league. He doesn't know how to set a screen yet. He has absolutely no jump shot whatsoever. His activity around the basket is poor. His defense is overrated.

If anyone wants this guy in this off season, and is willing to give up a lottery pick for them, I'd be so happy I'd run around me neighborhood in my underpants.

[GreenFaith1819]

Perk's way underrated here, and a team full of rookies is a bad idea.  I'll be happy with two first-rounders and moving some of the old wood sooner rather than later--not guys at 25 and under.

Well, I think the only way you move Perk for a draft pick is if you get a lottery pick in return.  I also want to be clear that I am not proposing that they fill the team with Rookies.  I just think this team is very thin on assets at the moment, and the best way to build assets (to either build around, or use in trades) is with draft picks.

And when discussing Perkin's value, it is also important to remember that his contract expires next summer, and he will be looking for a sizable raise.  Considering he is most certainly not a star, if they can exchange him for a potential star (which a lottery pick should be), who is locked up for reasonable money for 4 years, then they need to at least look at it.  The bigger question is whether any other team would give up a lottery pick for him, given his contract status.

I might as well throw in my two cents. Not only is Perkins not a start, but he is lucky to be starting on a team. He can't make a move without traveling. He's awful from the free throw line. He's one of the slowest players in the league. He doesn't know how to set a screen yet. He has absolutely no jump shot whatsoever. His activity around the basket is poor. His defense is overrated.

If anyone wants this guy in this off season, and is willing to give up a lottery pick for them, I'd be so happy I'd run around me neighborhood in my underpants.

KungPowe,

You are correct about Perk's Jumper, but as an Old School Center that he is, I am personally glad that he Doesn't have one. I am tired of seeing 6'11" or 7 Footers shooting
18 foot Jumpers or threes. As he grows, I'll be happy with Perk having a 10-15 foot J.

He certainly needs to stay around the basket.

Yes he does travel a bit, but he is getting better. He is not the best at setting screens, but that's something he can work on.

He's only 24?

He does seem to have trailed off some this season. Knowing him and our other Celtics, he's played through pain which has affected his game. He's probably dinged up now.

But I'll take Kendrick Perkins. Top 5 Defensive Center, hands-down.

And in two or three years, he will be even more Beastly. And only 27 or 28.

[Rondo2Giddens]

I'm in agreement with mostly everyone here that we should try to trade up and get another late first or early second. I think those picks should be used on ATHLETES. Our biggest problem, at least to me, is that we don't have any that can play above the rim.

I know this is by no means an official measure of team athleticism, but how many players on the current team would you feel comfortable conisistently targeting with alley-oop passes. KG still gets the passes but we know he doesn't convert as often as he used to. Maybe TA, but usually under ideal circumstances. I don't think there's another person on the roster who can convert an oop. I think that's a good representation of our lack of team athleticism. We need guys who can run with rondo, and convert his alley-oop passes. Not just because of the oops, but because those are the types of players that would help our rebounding and energy problems. I know he could get a bunch more assists when the passes he is making lead to dunks, as opposed to shots which may or may not go in.

I think we need a big athletic 3, and a big man who rebounds and block shots. Offensive skills would be gravy, I just think we needs guys who can play in the air. So assuming we don't trade up (which I think is a possibility as well, but not in this particular scenario) and we end up with 2 picks between 19-40, I hope we end up with one of (in order of my preference):

Paul George
Stanley Robinson - I know he's not skilled, but I see him as Gerald Wallace having stayed for his whole college career. Him running the floor and catching Rondo Alley-oops would be insane. I've also been a fan of his since he got to Uconn so I may be higher on him then most.
Quincy Pondexter
Devin Ebanks
Damion James

And one of:
Ekpe Udoh
Jarvis Varnardo
Sanders
Whiteside

I'd love to see George taken at 19, then trade back up in the second and take Varnardo, who should still be there. But if Udoh slides and he's danny's guy, then trade back up for pondexter in the second. All of these guys should be going around the area we are picking and I think they are all good value based on where they are projected to go. If we end up with any 2 (or one as it stands today) I'd be very happy

Late in the 2nd I'd like take an upperclassmen who can contribute right now. The guy I've had my eyes on for a few years is Manny Harris from Michigan. He won't wow you with his game, but he's kind of a jack of all trades. I think he is following the Josh Howard Career Path. Got to campus, contributed right away - but then didn't grow into the superstar people were expecting, so he gets forgotten about even though he is a very productive player. I think he could have that same kind of, "how did we forget about this guy" effect on a lot of GMs.

That's how I see it. Boiled down, Paul George is the player I want to walk away from this draft with more than anyone else we could take in that area. Forgive the rambling, Its been a slow day at work...

[bruinsandceltics]

I forgot, offense is the only thing a player can bring to a basketball game.

 

[Chris]

I forgot, offense is the only thing a player can bring to a basketball game.

 

Who said that?

What the C's need right now, more than anything is 2-way players.  And unfortunately, those guys are hard to find.  You can get defensive specialists, and offensive specialists.  What's hard to find are guys who are net positives on both sides of the ball.

Currently the C's have only one guy who fits that bill who is under 30 (Rondo).  If you can trade a guy who is one dimensional, and get a guy who is potentially a 2-way threat, you need to consider it. 

[PosImpos]

I forgot, offense is the only thing a player can bring to a basketball game.

 

Who said that?

What the C's need right now, more than anything is 2-way players.  And unfortunately, those guys are hard to find.  You can get defensive specialists, and offensive specialists.  What's hard to find are guys who are net positives on both sides of the ball.

Currently the C's have only one guy who fits that bill who is under 30 (Rondo).  If you can trade a guy who is one dimensional, and get a guy who is potentially a 2-way threat, you need to consider it. 

Well said.  I agree.  We need building blocks.  Perk is a very good complementary player, but he's not a building block.

[KCattheStripe]

Lazar Hayward = Ryan Gomes 2.0

Daniel Orton= High Upside pick


Get'er done Danny.

[clover]

Perk's way underrated here, and a team full of rookies is a bad idea.  I'll be happy with two first-rounders and moving some of the old wood sooner rather than later--not guys at 25 and under.

I don't think Perk is generally underrated here, and anyone is tradeable, just depends what you get in return and if you can fill that void. Perk and 19 to move up 5 spots? Not good. Perk and 19 for Favors or Monroe? Might be a steal. I'll leave that up to better prospect scouts than I.

But yeah, I think that Perk is generally appreciated around here. It's weird that when someone's name is mentioned as a trade candidate, it's taken as not appreciated. Not at all, it's that he IS appreciated and could fit a need for someone else while giving us more value. Or that when someone is mentioned as a trade candidate that that player is being dumped for nothing, or the sake of dumping him. Not true, just trying to maximize the talent on the team.

This year was a letdown (or at least a plateau) for Perk after the steady growth up through last season. Objectively his scoring went up, but his rebounds, assists, and blocks went down; subjectively his defense seemed worse (or that hobbled KG exposed his weaknesses a lot more) and his attitude was definitely less team-oriented. He's still good, and I like the guy, but he's not untradeable and who knows how much money he'll fetch on the open market in two years. If you could get a franchise big guy for him and 19, why not? Anyway, that deal probably won't be available, so it's a moot point. but no one (at least not me) is advocating dumping him for no real purpose.

You may be right if Perk and 19 gets you in the top 10.  Danny should probably reach up to that level with all the apparent big young studs up there.  I wonder how Pierce and the other geriatrics respond to such a drastic rebuilding.