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[nickagneta]

I don't understand why people are so desperate to get rid of Tony. He's like the 12th man on the team right now.  We have Marquis now so Tony is just an extra body and not worth much in a trade. 

I agree.  All this talk of trading TA, Giddens, or anyone else on the end of the bench is fairly insignificant.  Who would we get for someone like one of them besides another 11th or 12th man?  If that's the case, is it really worth trading a player who isn't likely to get off the bench, but at least knows the system, for a player who is equally unlikely to get off the bench but doesn't know the system?  It's not exactly like teams are offering All Stars for either player.  

It might be insignificant for what that person could bring to the team this year but the important part of a trade of Tony, Scal, Walker, and Giddens is that it could bring in a player who over the course of next year, or even the year after that, could contribute and keep this team a championship contender.

If we win it all this year players like Eddie and Marquis and Sheldon could wind up being signed elsewhere next year to contracts the current ownership doesn't want to give out, namely years after Garnett's contract expires. The trade of the 12th, 13th, 14th, and 15th players on this team that are not contributing much if anything this year to bring in a player or two to replace the possible losses of Eddie, Sheldon or marquis could prove huge to our having a deep bench come 2010-11 and beyond.

[triboy16f]

i don't feel bad for giddens. He is already a millionaire and prob doesn't ever have to work again. If he can develop a consistant jumper he will find a home next year

[twinbree]

Poor Giddens. I'm sure he saw this coming miles away so hopefully he's not too disappointed by this. Hope he can do better than Gabe if the Cs let him go at the end of the season.

[crownsy]

i don't feel bad for giddens. He is already a millionaire and prob doesn't ever have to work again. If he can develop a consistant jumper he will find a home next year

actually, given the 45ish% tax rate and 15% typical agent fee, i severaly doubt he's a millionare.

Still, he's pretty set if he invested wisely, no doubt, but it just irks me sometimes that people assume pro athletes make the value of thier contract 

[Chris]

i don't feel bad for giddens. He is already a millionaire and prob doesn't ever have to work again. If he can develop a consistant jumper he will find a home next year

actually, given the 45ish% tax rate and 15% typical agent fee, i severaly doubt he's a millionare.

Still, he's pretty set if he invested wisely, no doubt, but it just irks me sometimes that people assume pro athletes make the value of thier contract 

Well, agents generally only get 4%.  But your point is still valid.

[libermaniac]

i don't feel bad for giddens. He is already a millionaire and prob doesn't ever have to work again. If he can develop a consistant jumper he will find a home next year

actually, given the 45ish% tax rate and 15% typical agent fee, i severaly doubt he's a millionare.

Still, he's pretty set if he invested wisely, no doubt, but it just irks me sometimes that people assume pro athletes make the value of thier contract 

You think Giddens is the type to "invest wisely"? 
On a more serious note, it's not like his professional days are over.  He can make a very, very nice living playing the next 10 years in Europe. No pity is necessary.

[Fafnir]

i don't feel bad for giddens. He is already a millionaire and prob doesn't ever have to work again. If he can develop a consistant jumper he will find a home next year

actually, given the 45ish% tax rate and 15% typical agent fee, i severaly doubt he's a millionare.

Still, he's pretty set if he invested wisely, no doubt, but it just irks me sometimes that people assume pro athletes make the value of thier contract 

You think Giddens is the type to "invest wisely"? 
On a more serious note, it's not like his professional days are over.  He can make a very, very nice living playing the next 10 years in Europe. No pity is necessary.

He's not necessarily done in the NBA either. Plenty of guys have bounced around the league a ton before they became NBA caliber players.

[crownsy]

i don't feel bad for giddens. He is already a millionaire and prob doesn't ever have to work again. If he can develop a consistant jumper he will find a home next year

actually, given the 45ish% tax rate and 15% typical agent fee, i severaly doubt he's a millionare.

Still, he's pretty set if he invested wisely, no doubt, but it just irks me sometimes that people assume pro athletes make the value of thier contract 

Well, agents generally only get 4%.  But your point is still valid.

ah, im off on sports agents then, i was going by entertainment agents, who's deals are more high impact i guess

[Spilling Green Dye]

Luck does play a decent role though.  If Swift had dropped and we had also gotten the #1 draft pick in '07 do you think we'd have KG, Ray, etc?

No, we'd have Swift, Oden, and another player whom we got in a trade for Pierce.  And, that team would be AWFUL. 

Again, I think he's a very good GM, but luck does play a role.

[wdleehi]

i don't feel bad for giddens. He is already a millionaire and prob doesn't ever have to work again. If he can develop a consistant jumper he will find a home next year

actually, given the 45ish% tax rate and 15% typical agent fee, i severaly doubt he's a millionare.

Still, he's pretty set if he invested wisely, no doubt, but it just irks me sometimes that people assume pro athletes make the value of thier contract 

Well, agents generally only get 4%.  But your point is still valid.

ah, im off on sports agents then, i was going by entertainment agents, who's deals are more high impact i guess

His pro career is not done.

He could still catch on another team as a min contract.  Or the DL.  Or overseas.

[Jon]

I don't understand why people are so desperate to get rid of Tony. He's like the 12th man on the team right now.  We have Marquis now so Tony is just an extra body and not worth much in a trade. 

I agree.  All this talk of trading TA, Giddens, or anyone else on the end of the bench is fairly insignificant.  Who would we get for someone like one of them besides another 11th or 12th man?  If that's the case, is it really worth trading a player who isn't likely to get off the bench, but at least knows the system, for a player who is equally unlikely to get off the bench but doesn't know the system?  It's not exactly like teams are offering All Stars for either player.  

It might be insignificant for what that person could bring to the team this year but the important part of a trade of Tony, Scal, Walker, and Giddens is that it could bring in a player who over the course of next year, or even the year after that, could contribute and keep this team a championship contender.

If we win it all this year players like Eddie and Marquis and Sheldon could wind up being signed elsewhere next year to contracts the current ownership doesn't want to give out, namely years after Garnett's contract expires. The trade of the 12th, 13th, 14th, and 15th players on this team that are not contributing much if anything this year to bring in a player or two to replace the possible losses of Eddie, Sheldon or marquis could prove huge to our having a deep bench come 2010-11 and beyond.

That's true, but as I said at the end of my post, it's not exactly like teams are offering All Stars, or even rotation players, for our junk.  I'm not convinced we're going to get players who can replace Daniels, Williams, and House by trading Tony Allen and/or J.R. Giddens.

[Evantime34]

I believe the fate of Giddens won't be known today but sometime before the trading deadline. Probably with the exile of Tony Allen as well. Not exactly sure what this team needs at this point, maybe a future first, that is protected but can cary over until 2012 or 2013?

[nickagneta]

I don't understand why people are so desperate to get rid of Tony. He's like the 12th man on the team right now.  We have Marquis now so Tony is just an extra body and not worth much in a trade. 

I agree.  All this talk of trading TA, Giddens, or anyone else on the end of the bench is fairly insignificant.  Who would we get for someone like one of them besides another 11th or 12th man?  If that's the case, is it really worth trading a player who isn't likely to get off the bench, but at least knows the system, for a player who is equally unlikely to get off the bench but doesn't know the system?  It's not exactly like teams are offering All Stars for either player.  

It might be insignificant for what that person could bring to the team this year but the important part of a trade of Tony, Scal, Walker, and Giddens is that it could bring in a player who over the course of next year, or even the year after that, could contribute and keep this team a championship contender.

If we win it all this year players like Eddie and Marquis and Sheldon could wind up being signed elsewhere next year to contracts the current ownership doesn't want to give out, namely years after Garnett's contract expires. The trade of the 12th, 13th, 14th, and 15th players on this team that are not contributing much if anything this year to bring in a player or two to replace the possible losses of Eddie, Sheldon or marquis could prove huge to our having a deep bench come 2010-11 and beyond.

That's true, but as I said at the end of my post, it's not exactly like teams are offering All Stars, or even rotation players, for our junk.  I'm not convinced we're going to get players who can replace Daniels, Williams, and House by trading Tony Allen and/or J.R. Giddens.

I'm not so sure, my friend. Let's take new Orleans as an example. George Shinn, their owner is about as cheap an owner as there is in the league and he desperately has to drop $3 million in salary to get below the tax cap so that he doesn't have to pay luxury tax. He will be doing that, guaranteed, and it doesn't hinge upon whether his team is competing or not. That man won't pay the luxury tax this year.

So if the C's can package about $12 million or so in salary to NO and take back about $9 million that would get the Hornets the cap relief they want. The C's package of Scal, Tony, Giddens, Walker and Davis would give the C's a total of about $10.68 million outgoing to the Hornets. With th BYC of Davis the C's would have to take in 125% of $9.18 million, +/- $100K.

If the Hornets sent Wright, Marks and Peterson to the C's that's $8.6 million coming to the C's so that fits the trade can be approved after December 15th. Now if the C's also sent some cash, somewhere between $1-2 million, the Hornets, with that money, could buy out enough of the players in the deal to remove the needed extra $1 million off their books to get below the luxury tax.

So who do we really give up that we aren't already using? No one. We send the given the hornets the needed cap relief they want and a local college and hometown hero in BBD. They also get good role players for the rest of the year in Scal and Tony.

meanwhile, we get an emerging prospect at the SF position that would be a perfect backup for Pierce in the future. We get a 3 point sniping SG in Peterson. We get players in our control for next year that can help add to this year's depth and maybe assist in replacing Daniels and House if they move on next year and we get a fifth string big man for the remainder of this year.

Is this going to happen? Probably not. But the point is it is conceivable and possible and is an example of just one of many different scenarios that would do exactly what I said, which is move our expiring contracts, maybe in concert with BBD, for excellent depth this year and help for next year and beyond.