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dark lord's "Why the Obama Inaugeration Was Important to Him"
oldmanspeaks' "Advice to Jsaad"
Neurotic Guy's "Gay Marriage Opinion"
Celtic's "Will Solomon isn't Home"
Roy Hobbs' "Salary Cap Situation and FAQs: 2009 Edition"

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all political aspects aside, why this day was historical for me:

im a white guy, married to a black woman.  we have a beautiful little boy together.  although he is of mixed ethnicity, in society's eyes, he will always be black (or possibly confused for being hispanic due to his complexion and hair).

when he is older and learns about american history, both the positives and negatives, he will eventually learn about obama.  when he asks me about obama, i will be able to tell him that i woke him up and he laid in my arms to see and hear obama's speech when he won the democratic nomination.  i will be able to tell him that i carried him in my arms into the voting booth and we voted for obama together.  i will tell him how i woke him up and he laid in the lap of my wife and i as we watched and listened to him speak when he won the presidential election.i will be able to look him in the eyes and tell him anything is possible if he works hard, stays the course, and believes in himself.

these are things that have significance and create a bond.  not only for my family, but for generations and generations of people.  obama's win was significant in connecting strangers to one another over the course of generations. obama's win solidified the blood, sweet, and tears of people who were not afraid to voice their opinion, stand up for what they felt was right, and keep on keeping on when the chips were continually stacked against them. the election was historical for the aforementioned reasons.  but it was also historical that for the first time in its existence, the country was able to elect someone who was labeled a "minority". the country was able to vote for someone who they were excited about, believed in, and inspired by.

as i previously said in the thread:
if people can not see the historical significance of obama being elected president, then they likely have an agenda or are ignorant.  whether or not he will be a good president can be debated and remains to be seen, but the mere fact he was elected is VERY historical!


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As an old man who had a long unfulfilling marriage and divorce and later a "love for the ages" that ended with her dying from cancer in my arms telling her how much I loved her, I might have some good advice for you. With a bad relationship, every setback leaves a scar. With a good one, every setback creates better understanding through communication and more trust. Fights are almost never about the issue being discussed but by deeper ones. If your girlfriend is feeling insecure, it may be because it is not clear to her what she means to you. And you need to figure out what that means. Love is defined as "unqualified positive regard" which means you don't love "although, but or except". My late love had a zillion flaws/quirks/weaknesses etc which irritated me on an hourly and daily basis. However in fact none of them mattered because I valued her beyond words for what she meant to me. I was a hardass engineering manager but she made my knees buckle because she knew every horrible flaw about me and still called me her hero so the feeling was mutual. You have to strip away all the "preferences" and get down to the core "requirements" that make each of us unique. If she meets all of those "requirements" you need to explain them to her at an emotional level. She will then know how much she means to you.
If she doesn't meet those core requirements, take the ring and run as far and as fast as you can..
By the way, the reverse is also true. She has to value you the same way. If she doesn't, you should also take the ring and run as fast as you can.
By the way, I am positive if my great love had a chance to run off with Sean Connery for a vacation,she would have been gone in an instant-LOL. However I knew she would come back to me. Jealousy doesn't come about in a true relationship because the other person always know how much they are valued.


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I think that the core issue should be clear: either you believe that homosexuality between consenting adults is immoral behavior or you believe that homosexuality between consenting adults is moral behavior.  An attraction initiates a connection after which a physical realionship emerges which grows to an emotional bond and ultimately love -- this is the approximate process for folks who are attracted to same gender partners as it is for folks in opposite gender partnerships.  Either you think homosexuals are wrong and immoral or you think they are morally and rightly expressing a normal, human, biological imperative.

Logic flows that if you think homosexuality is wrong then you should be opposed to gay marriage.  However, If you think homosexuality is morally sound then you should favor same sex marriage.  In fact, the only position that I cannot tolerate is one that states that homosexuality is OK but just keep it away from me and my children and don't destroy the sanctity of marriage by allowing these folks to marry.  Inherent in that type of statement is the underlying core belief that homosexuality is morally incorrect --  you are NOT OK with it.  Let's at least be intellectually honest about the argument.

Marriage vs. civil union is not a semantic argument as far as I am concerned.  I really could not look at q gay/lesbian American and say to him/her that on the one hand I have no moral dissonance with regard homosexuality but, at the same time, I'd like to deny you the right to express your love and commitment in the same why I can. 

'Marriage', as a word/concept in our society has very powerful meaning.  It is the one word that expresses the highest level of a person to person commitment that is available in our society.  Imagine the friend that tells you they broke up with their girlfriend after 3 years of living together compared to the friend that tells you he is getting a divorce after a 3 year marriage.  The difference matters.  It is not just that there are legal ramifications, but there are social/emotional/societal ramifications that are inherently different (not to suggest a 3 year break up without marriage isn't sometimes traumatic -- of course it can be). But, nothing rises to the level of marriage in our society and the word itself contains a palpable message that no other word or concept is equal to.  I simply cannot look my gay or lesbian fellow Americans in the eye, as I stand next to my wife and say 'sorry, you aren't entitled to society's highest acknowledgement of commitment to each other -- but I am'. 

I believe that it should be the right of 2 consenting adult gay men or lesbian women to be married in America.   


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I just went for a walk, didn't mean to, but I ended up by Will's old place, and I... I couldn't help but look up to see if the lights were on. I knew they wouldn't be, but I had to look, it wasn't the darkness, it was the absence of light that got to me. Next thing I knew I was going to all our old places, the park where we first met, the ice cream parlor, that little coffee shop that was our special place. Every time the door opened I kept looking up, hopeful, only to have my heart ripped from me yet again.

After about an hour of sitting around, hoping against hope, I realized Will was gone. I decided to get some air, walked down the old train tracks, kicking pebbles, sipping cheap whiskey from my paper bag wrapped bottle. When I heard that familiar sound of a Train coming my way, I stood there frozen not sure what to do without Will. Thoughts swirled through my mind, dark things, things I never thought possible. But no, this isn't what Will would want, Will always saw the best in people, things, he would want me to be strong. So I moved, I had to, it's what Will would have wanted, it's all he would have settled for. He was right, I knew he was.

I wandered for a while longer, before staggering home to watch the shell of the Celtics, it wouldn't be the same. Sure the team was still there, but was it? How could they forget him so quickly, how could they move on? Why can't I?


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It's time for the 2009-10 update:

Salaries*:
==========================================================================
Player2009-20102010-20112011-20122012-20132013-2014
Kevin Garnett$16,451,934$18,866,934$21,281,934n/an/a
Paul Pierce$19,795,712$21,515,521n/an/an/a
Ray Allen$19,776,860n/an/an/an/a
Rasheed Wallace$5,854,000$6,322,320$6,790,640n/an/a
Kendrick Perkins$4,750,000$4,890,208n/an/an/a
Brian Scalabrine$3,413,793n/an/an/an/a
Eddie House$2,862,000n/an/an/an/a
Glen Davis$2,500,000$2,500,000n/an/an/a
Tony AllenS2,500,000n/an/an/an/a
Rajon Rondo$2,094,922$3,018,783n/an/an/a
Marquis Daniels$1,990,000n/an/an/an/a
J.R. Giddens$1,028,880$1,100,640$1,986,655$2,979,983n/a
Shelden Williams$825,497n/an/an/an/a
Bill Walker$736,420$854,389$916,100n/an/a
Lester Hudson$457,588n/an/an/an/a
Semih ErdenUnsignedn/an/an/an/a
Total Salary:$85,863,103$59,066,795$30,975,329$2,979,983$0
Total w/o Options:$85,405,515$32,579,462$21,281,934$0$0

==========================================================================
Team options are in red and qualifying offers are in green.  Salaries shown in purple represent non-guaranteed / partially guaranteed deals, while player options are listed in blue. Total salary assumes all options and qualifying offers are picked up; "Total without options" does not include team or player options, qualifying options, or non-guaranteed salaries.

* All salaries are via Shamsports.  In some instances, these may conflict with reported salaries on Hoopshype.


Frequently asked questions:

1) How much is the salary cap for the 2009-10 season?  How much is the luxury tax?  What is the difference between these two numbers?

In February, the NBA projected the salary cap for the coming season to be approximately $57.3 million, while the luxury tax was projected at approximately $69.4 million.  This number will be finalized no later than July 8, 2009.

A lot of people get these two numbers confused, so I'll do my best to explain.  However, the absolute best place to have these questions explained in detail in on Larry Coon's NBA Salary Cap FAQ page.

Essentially, the salary cap is a "soft" number which serves the purposes of limiting a team's ability to offer free agents from other teams contracts.  A team can offer a free agent a starting salary below or equivalent to its amount of remaining cap room.  For instance, if a team is $7 million below the salary cap, it can offer a free agent from another team a deal starting at $7 million per season.  If a team is over the cap, the most it can offer is the mid-level exception (the "MLE"), explained in greater detail below.  Obviously, we are far above the salary cap, and as such, for purposes of the Celtics discussion of the salary cap is purely academic.

More relevant is the luxury tax.  Basically, for teams that exceed the luxury tax, they pay a dollar for dollar penalty on amounts above the tax.  This money goes to the league, where it is divied up between the teams that stayed below the tax (again, this is overly simplistic, but you get the idea.) 

Last year, the luxury tax was $71.15 million million.  Our payroll at the end of the season, for luxury tax purposes, was roughly $79,188,973, meaning we paid a little over $8 million in luxury tax ($8,038,973, to be exact).  Coincidentally (or perhaps not) this was approximately the same amount of luxury tax we payed the year before.  We also missed out on a league subsidy that only goes to non-taxpayers, which has yet to be calculated.

2) What is an "exception"?

An exception is just that:  an "exception" to the salary cap that allows a team to go over the salary cap to sign, or in some cases trade for, a free agent.  For the Celtics, there are four relevant exceptions: the mid-level exception ("MLE"), the Bi-annual exception (also called the "LLE" or the "million dollar exception"), the minimum salary exception (also sometimes called the "veteran's minimum"), and the traded player exception.

The MLE: The MLE can be used to sign players to contracts for a maximum of five years, with annual raises equivalent to 8% of the contracts first year value each year.  This exception is available to teams above the salary cap, and can be used annually.  For the 2009-10 season, the MLE can be used to give free agents contracts starting around $5.5 million (with the actual number to be determined no later than July 8 ).  The MLE can be used in its entirety on one player, or can be split amongst several players. 

The LLE: The LLE can be used to sign players to contracts for a maximum of two year, with up to an 8% annual raise in the second year.  This exception is available to teams above the salary cap, but can only be used every other year.  The LLE for this season is $1.99 million.  The LLE can be used in its entirety on one player, or can be split amongst multiple players.

Bird Rights:  For any of our own free agents who have played for three years without changing teams via free agency, we have what are known as "Bird rights".  This allows the team to sign the player for any amount up to a max contract.  Leon Powe is the only one of our free agents that we have Bird rights with.  (The exception is named after Larry Bird, who was the first player to be signed with the exception, in 1984-85.)

Early Bird Rights: For any of our own free agents who have played for two years without changing teams via free agency, we have what are known as "Early Bird rights".  This allows us to sign players for 175% of their previous salary (plus an annual raise equal to 10.5% of the value of the first year of the contract), or the amount of the MLE, whichever is greater.

Additionally, the Early Bird Exception can be used to match any contract given to any of our restricted free agents. (More on this below).

Non-Bird Rights:  For any of our own free agents who only have played for one year or less without changing teams via free agency, we can offer them a 20% raise over their 2007-08 salary, plus an annual raise equal to 8% of the value of the first year of the contract.

The Minimum Salary Exception:  This is an important one for the Celtics, for reasons that will be explained in greater detail below.  This exception allows a team to sign a player to the allocated minimum salary, which varies subject to the signing player's service time.  Contracts signed with the minimum can be up to two years in length.

3) How many players do we have under contract?  What is the maximum number of players we can have on our roster?  Is there a minimum to the players we can have under contract?

Currently, we have nine players that have guaranteed contracts for next season, with six players who could become free agents, as discussed below.   

During the off-season, a team can carry as many players on its roster as it wants to.  Once the season starts, a team can have a maximum of 15 players under contract, and a minimum of 13 players.  Rosters must be finalized on or before October 31, 2009. 

4) What free agents do the Celtics have?

The Celtics have as many as six free agents, as follows:

Glen Davis:  BBD will be a restricted free agent, assuming the team extends him a qualifying offer for $1,000,497 by June 30, which appears to be a no brainer.  We can match any offer he is given by other teams.  We have his "early Bird" rights, as described above.

Leon Powe:  If the team offers Powe a $1,030,189 qualifying offer by June 30, he will be a restricted free agent.  If we choose to make a qualifying offer, we can match any contract he is offered.  Otherwise, he will become unrestricted, meaning he can sign with any team without the Celtics having the right to match.  We have Powe's Bird rights, as mentioned above.

Eddie House:  Eddie has a player option for $2,862,000.  If he declines, he is an unrestricted free agent.  As an "early Bird" free agent, we could offer him a contract up to the amount of the MLE without having to actually use the MLE. 

Stephon Marbury: Starbury is an unrestricted, "non-Bird" free agent.  We can offer him a pay bump of 20% next season, or roughly up to $2.0 million, without having to use the MLE. For any amount greater than that, we'd have to dip into the MLE to sign him.

Mikki Moore:  Moore is also an unrestricted, "non-Bird" free agent.  We can offer him a pay bump to 20% more than the minimum next season, or roughly $1.57 million, without having to use the MLE.  As above, for any amount greater than that, we'd have to dip into the MLE to sign him.

Gabe Pruitt:  The team holds an option on Pruitt for $825,497 next season.  If we decline the option, he becomes an unrestricted free agent.  If the team declines his option, they still would retain his Early Bird rights.

5) What is a "restricted" free agent?  How does that differ from an unrestricted free agent?

Restricted free agency applies to first round picks following the fourth year of their rookie scale contracts, or for all other veteran players who have been in the league three years or fewer. 

To make a player "restricted", a team must extend that player a qualifying offer.  In the case of non-first rounders, the qualifying offer must be 125% of the player's previous salary, or the minimum salary for a player of that experience level plus $175,000, whichever is greater. 

Once a free agent is restricted, the player's original team retains the right to match any offer sheet the player is signed to.  This is different from the case of unrestricted free agents, where the original team has no right to match an offer sheet from another team.  For details on the Celtics' restricted free agents this year, see Questions 4 and 6. 

6) Are there any limits on our ability to match contracts given to our restricted free agents?  Would we have to use the MLE to sign them?  What types of contracts can other teams offer them?

No, there are no restrictions on our ability to match an offer sheet.  If we offer Powe and/or BBD qualifying offers, we can match any contract given to them without having to use part of the MLE.  If they signed an offer sheet with another team, we would have seven days to match.

Other teams must offer a restricted free agent a contract of two or more years.  For players with three or more years experience (such as Powe), another team can offer him a contract for any annual salary, assuming they can fit it under their cap. 

In the case of BBD, the other team can offer no more than the amount of the MLE (roughly $5.5 million, plus an 8% raise in the second season) for the first two years of the deal.  After that, the team could give BBD a huge raise -- up to the value of a max contract -- in his third, fourth, and fifth seasons.  Theoretically, then, it would be possible for BBD to get a contract in the 5 years, $50 - $55 million range, although it's extremely unlikely.

One interesting thing about matching an offer sheet:  if the Celts match an offer sheet for a player, they're not allowed to trade that player for a period of one year without the player's consent.  Under no circumstances can they trade that player to the team that tried to sign him for a one year period.

7) What is the deadline for Eddie House to decide on his player option?  When must the Celtics decide on Gabe Pruitt's team option?

House must decide no later than June 30, 2009 whether he will pick up his option or not; it is expected that he will.

Pruitt's situation is trickier.  If Pruitt's deal is a pure team option, then the deadline for invoking it is also June 30, 2009.  However, it has been reported that the team will evaluate Pruitt in summer league before deciding whether to pick up Pruitt's deal for next year.  Since summer league will begin after the June 30, 2009 deadline, it is likely that Pruitt's deal is not strictly a team option, but is rather partially guaranteed.  Under such a scenario, the team would have a certain time period to evaluate Pruitt, after which time they would have to decide whether to fully guarantee his deal or release him.  Any date by which Pruitt's contract must be picked up would be pursuant to the contract's terms, which are presently unknown.

8 ) What are the benefits to signing a player to a minimum deal?

There are several advantages to signing a player to a minimum deal.  First, there is no limit to the number of players a sign can sign to the minimum.  Second, any player signed to the minimum doesn't count against the MLE, meaning the MLE can be allocated towards other players.  Most importantly, though, the NBA actually subsidizes teams that sign players to the minimum.  The team is only responsible for the first $$825,497 of player salary; the league pays any amount over this threshold.  Additionally, only $825,497 counts towards the luxury tax.

9) Where can I find a list of this year's free agents?  What about free agents in future years?

This year's and next year's free agents are listed  here.  You can also find a position-by-position listing of free agents here.

10) What's the max contract we could give to another team's free agent?

We can offer any free agent (assuming they're not named Gerald Green or Antoine Walker) the MLE, which as noted above will begin at approximately $5.5 million.  The max we can offer is a 5 year deal, with an annual raise in the amount of 8% of the first year's contract value.  Thus, using the estimated number, the breakdown is as follows:

Year 1: $5,500,000
Year 2: $5,940,000 (8% raise equal to $444,000)
Year 3: $6,384,000 ($444,000 raise)
Year 4: $6,828,000 ($444,000 raise)
Year 5: $7,272,000 ($444,000 raise)

Thus, the max contracts we can give are:

One year deal:   $5,500,000
Two year deal:   $11,440,000
Three year deal: $17,824,000
Four year deal:  $24,652,000
Five year deal:  $31,924,000

We could also offer any player the LLE, which is $1.99 million this year and $2.08 million next season.

Lastly, we could try to work out a sign-and-trade with another team, in which that case would sign the player to a new contract (with the player's consent, of course) and trade him to the Celtics in return for players from our current roster.

11) Which teams are under the salary cap?  What is the luxury tax situation of other teams?

Depressedfan.com made a great chart tracking the financial situation of the various teams, based upon the salary cap and luxury tax staying stable, which I've cut and pasted below:



Keep in mind, this chart isn't perfect.  First, it estimates salary cap and luxury tax room based upon the current cap staying level.  Additionally, it assumes certain players will not opt out of their contracts (notably, Turkoglu, Varejao,  Ilgauskas, etc.)  However, it's helpful as a rough guide.

As shown above, only six teams have a significant amount of cap space: Memphis, Detroit, Oklahoma City, Atlanta, Toronto, and Minnesota.  That list, however, assumes that teams allow their own free agents to walk away for nothing.  Certainly, Atlanta and Toronto are not likely to do so. 

It is likely that only Memphis, Detroit, and Oklahoma City will have the cap space to be significant players in free agency this season, with Minnesota potentially able to offer an amount to a free agent greater than the MLE.  Portland also may be able to get under the cap, depending upon what it does with Channing Frye, Travis Outlaw, and Steve Blake (none of whom have guaranteed deals for next season).

In terms of the luxury tax, almost all of the prime contenders for a title are at or nearing the luxury tax, including Boston, Cleveland (assuming Varejao and Ilgauskas are back), Orlando (assuming they resign Turkoglu), Denver, San Antonio, and Los Angeles (even before resigning Ariza and Odom)

12) What does it mean when people say salaries need to "match" in a trade?

Assuming both teams are over the salary cap, incoming and outgoing salaries must be within 125% + $100,000 of each other for the trade to go through.

13) So, we have Bird rights to Leon Powe.  Does that mean we could sign him to a huge one-year deal, and then trade him to another team as an "expiring contract"?

No.  If you give a player larger than a 20% raise, he's subject to something called "base year compensation".  Essentially, what this means is that for purposes of trades, you only count 50% of the player's actual salary as outgoing salary for trade purposes.  However, the team trading *for* the BYC player has to count 100% of his actual salary for incoming purposes.

I know that's confusing as heck, so let me use an example.  Let's say we want to trade Leon for a player making $7 million.  We thus intend to sign Leon to a one-year, $7 million contract.  Here's how that breaks down under BYC rules:

Boston trades:  Leon Powe ($7 million salary * 50% reduction = $3.5 million)
Boston receives: $7 million player

The trade cannot go through, because the $3.5 million and $7.0 million salaries don't "match" within 125% + $100k.

Couldn't we just sign Leon to a $14 million expiring contract to complete the trade, then?  No.  Here's why not:

Boston trades: Leon ($14 million salary * 50% reduction = $7.0 million)
Boston receives: $7 million player

So far so good, right?  However, the next step kills it:

Team X trades: $7 million player
Team X receives: Leon Powe ($14 million salary, with no reduction)

Thus, once again, the salaries don't "match".  Base year compensation makes it very difficult (although not impossible) for players to be traded in the first year of contracts where they saw a substantial raise.

14) If it looks like we're going to lose BBD as a free agent, could we sign and trade him to another team?

Nothing prevents us from signing and trading BBD using the Early Bird exception.  However, Base Year Compensation rules (as explained in Question 13) make it pretty tough to pull off such a trade.  For instance, if BBD signs for $4.0 million in his first year, there is *no* 1-for-1 trade that could be made for him under BYC rules.  There may be some wiggle room by including a minimum salary player, but there's not much.

By example:

Let's say BBD signs for $4 million in the first year, and we want to trade him to Team X.

For BYC purposes, BBD's salary counts as a $2 million salary outgoing from Boston.   To fit within trade rules, the most salary we can take back from another team (Team X) is 125% of that amount, plus $100k.  That amounts to $2.6 million.

Does that mean we can acquire a player making $2.6 million, then?  No.  The trade has to work from Team X's end, too, and from their end, they have to count BBD's entire $4 million salary.  The absolute least amount they could send out in a trade of a $4 million salary is $3.12 million.  As you see, that's still more than the $2.6 million Boston can take back.

Now, one way around this would be to include a minimum salary player in the team (going from Team X to Boston), because minimum salary players don't have to be counted as incoming salary in a trade.  For instance, let's say we want to trade BBD's $4 million salary for a player making $2.5 million and a minimum salary player, making around $800k.  Can we do that?  Yes.

As noted above, Boston can trade BBD's hypothetical $4 million salary for a player making up to $2.6 million.  In this case, the $2.5 million player fits under this restriction.  Because minimum salary players can be included in a trade at any time without counting against outgoing salary, from Team X's end, it is only sending out $2.5 million in salary (when, in actuality, the real number it is trading is $3.3 million).  On the other hand, remember that Boston has to take back at least $3.12 million in salary.  Does it meet this requirement?  Yes, because Boston can elect to include the actual amount of salaries it is taking back, or in this case, $3.3 million.

The lesson to learn here is that a sign-and-trade with BBD is possible, but it's not probable, due to the small margin of error with which the Celts have to work in terms of matching salaries.

15) How many expiring contracts do we have?  How could these be utilized in a trade?

We have as many as seven expiring contracts depending upon which options are picked up, with amounts as follows:

Player'09-'10 salary
Ray Allen$19,776,860
Brian Scalabrine$3,413,793
Eddie House$2,862,000
Tony Allen$2,500,000
J.R. Giddens$1,028,880
Gabe Pruitt$825,497
Bill Walker $736,420
 
Total:$31,343,450

These expiring contracts can be traded to take back up to 125% (plus $100,000) of their value.  Accordingly, the Celtics could take back up to $39,279,312.50 in salaries if they traded all of the above players ($31,343,450 x 125% + $100k).  Even without including Ray Allen and Eddie House, the Celtics could take back $10.73 million in salary by trading Scal, Tony, Pruitt, Walker, and Giddens in the same deal.

Expiring contracts are valuable because they allow a team to immediately clear salary space after this season.  The theory is that a team will be willing to trade a better player with a long term contract for a lesser player with an expiring contract.  This could prove to be particularly true with teams desperate to shed salary do to the current state of the economy, along with other teams in a rush to clear cap space before the "Summer of 2010", when players like Lebron, D. Wade, Bosh, and others can become free agents.  For more, see Jeff's writeup on this subject.

16) When can we extend Rondo's contract?  How much would a max deal be worth?

The Celtics have the right to negotiate to extend Rondo's contract between July 9 and October 31, 2009.  If they reach an agreement on an extension, Rondo's new salary would be in effect starting in the 2010-11 season; he would still be on our books in 2009-10 at the rookie scale amount of $2,094,922. 

Rondo is eligible to sign an extension for up to five years, for any amount up to a "max contract".  In Rondo's case, a max contract would include a starting salary of approximately $13.5 to $14 million, with annual raises of approximately $1.4 to $1.5 million.  Therefore, a max extension would be in the 5 year, $81.675 to $84.7 million range. 

17) What happens if the Celtics don't sign Rondo to an extension by October 31?

Rondo would become a restricted free agent next season, meaning the Celtics would have the right to match any contract he received, assuming they extended him a qualifying offer of $3,018,783 (which would, of course, be a no brainer).  The Celtics would still have the right to sign him to a contract in free agency, which could be up to six years in length. 

If Rondo didn't sign with a new team, and he and the Celtics couldn't agree on a contract, Rondo could play for the qualifying offer, and become an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2011-12.

18) Is J.R. Giddens a free agent next season?  If not, why is his salary in red on the chart?

The Celtics have an option on Giddens' contract for next season.  They must decide whether to invoke this option no later than October 31, 2009.  If they do invoke it, Giddens will be under contract next season; if they do not, Giddens will be an unrestricted free agent, free to sign with any team.

19) What about Bill Walker and his purple salary?

Walker's deal is non-guaranteed, meaning that the team is not on the hook for his salary in 2010-11 and 2011-12 unless certain preconditions included in his contract are met.  Often, these preconditions are as simple as "If you a on the roster on ____ date, you will receive ____% of your contract guaranteed".  In the past, the team has tied contractual guarantees to certain statistical goals.  For instance, Leon Powe's deal became guaranteed for the following year if he averaged a certain set number of points + rebounds + blocks in the prior season.  It's likely that under his contract, Walker could be cut before next season with very little, if any, financial penalty.

All contracts become fully guaranteed for the remainder of the season as of January 10 of each season.

Update:  It appears that Bill Walker's salary becomes guaranteed for both the 2010 and 2011 seasons on July 8, 2010.

20) Are any players owed bonuses?

According to here, there are a variety of bonuses in our players' contracts, including:

  • Ray Allen -- various incentives, including $1 million for winning NBA title
  • Kendrick Perkins -- incentives totaling up to $125k per year, based upon team record
  • Glen Davis -- $500k per year, based upon weight
  • Rasheed Wallace -- 15% trade kicker
  • Paul Pierce -- 8% trade kicker
  • Eddie House -- 8% trade kicker

Physical achievement bonuses, such as BBD's weight clause, count against the cap.  Performance bonuses are classified by the league as either "likely" or "unlikely".  Likely bonuses count against team salary, unlikely bonuses don't.  Both, however, can count against the cap.  For more info, see here.

Regarding trade bonuses, they count against the acquiring team's cap.  However, they can make trades complicated, as the bonus counts as incoming salary for the team acquiring the player, but does *not* count as outgoing salary for the team trading the player.  This can make it difficult to "match" salaries in some instances.

21) What about Semih Erden?  Will he play this season?  Do we still have his draft rights?

Erden is under contract in the Turkish League through the end of next year, and isn't expected to seek a buyout to try to play for the Celtics.  He will not participate in summer league, either.

The Celtics retain Erden's draft rights for one year after the expiration of any non-NBA contract he plays under.  That means that if he extends his deal overseas, the Celtics will continue to retain his rights until one year after his last contract terminates.

22)  Do we own the draft rights to any other players?

Yes.  We own the draft rights to international players Ben Pepper, Josip Sesar, and Albert Miralles.  It is exceedingly unlikely that any of these players ever play in the NBA.

Additionally, the following players have never officially retired, and have not been renounced by the Celtics:

  • Roshown McLeod - $4,527,003
  • Stephon Marbury - $1,440,000
  • Dana Barros - $825,497
  • Grant Long - $825,497
  • Michael Olowokandi - $825,497
  • P.J. Brown - $825,497
  • Scot Pollard - $825,497
  • Mark Bryant - $825,497

Technically, even though these players are out of the league, we still own their rights.  Thus, we can sign them to a deal and trade them to a new team.  The Mavericks and Lakers each manipulated this rule, trading Keith Van Horn and Aaron McKie even though both were out of the league.  The league office expressed some concern about the teams making a mockery of the salary cap, but ultimately allowed the trade to go through.  Potentially, we could do the same thing.

23)  Do we have any trade exceptions that we can use?

Yes, although they're small.  We have a $797,581 trade exception for the Sam Cassell deal that must be used by February 17, 2010, and a $797,581 trade exception that must be used by February 19, 2010.

These trade exceptions cannot be combined, making them of pretty much no value, as minimum salaried players can be traded regardless of matching salaries.  The only way this trade exception would come into play is if we were acquiring a first or second year player making less than $797,581, but more than the minimum salary based upon his service time.  I'm not sure if there are any such players in the NBA.

24) Looking at the above chart, it looks like the Celtics only have around $47 million in salaries committed for 2010.  If the cap goes up to around $60 million, does that mean they can spend $13 million on free agents?  Could they then resign Ray Allen with their Bird rights?

No and no.  Surprising to many, free agents continue to count against a team's salary cap until they're either signed or renounced.  This is called a "cap hold".  Free agents essentially count against the cap at a figure greater than their previous salary.

The amount of these cap holds varies significantly; for actual percentages, see here.  For purposes of the Celtics, Ray Allen would have a cap hold in excess of $20 million.  While the team could renounce Ray, if they did so they would only be able to pay him the minimum salary.

Of even more significance is the cap hold of Rajon Rondo.  Even assuming we don't sign Rondo to a large extension, as a restricted free agent, he would carry a cap hold of 300% of his previous salary, or approximately $6.3 million.  Thus, under the above scenario, the Celtics actual cap room would be approximately $6.7 million, rather than the $13 million anticipated.  Further, there would be additional salary slots or cap holds for any other players on the roster.  For instance, teams must have 12 players on their roster; for every player less than 12, the team is charged a "cap charge" equal to the rookie minimum salary ($457,588 in 2010).  Assuming we had only six players under contract, there would be cap charges equal to a minimum of $2,745,528.  That means our cap space is reduced to approximately $3.955 million, an amount significantly less than the mid-level exception (which we would have to renounce if we wanted to use our cap space).  That's assuming we renounce *all* of our free agents other than Giddens and Walker.  If we let Giddens and Walker go, that brings our available cap space to about $5 million, or still less than the amount of the MLE.

In summary:  Assuming a salary cap of $60 million, a roster of Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Kendrick Perkins, and Rajon Rondo leaves us with less than $5 million in cap space in 2010, which is less than the amount if we utilized the MLE.  Even worse, reports are suggesting that the cap may be as low as $55 to $57 million in 2010, meaning we'd be right at the salary cap with only four players under contract.

UPDATE:  With the signings of Rasheed Wallace and Glen Davis, this question should be conclusively put to rest.  We just don't have any room, especially after close to $9 million in salary for 2010.

25) Do we have any chance of signing Lebron or any other big free agents from the Class of 2010?

See above.  The only way we realistically could gain cap space is if Paul Pierce opted out of his contract, and immediately signed with the Celtics for a vastly reduced amount.  (An immediate signing is necessary to eliminate his cap hold).  Working under the overly generous projection of a $60 million cap in 2010, we could gain approximately $25 million in cap space if Pierce re-signed for a minimum salary.  That would be enough to sign Lebron to a max salary deal (which would have a starting salary of between $18 and $19 million per season).

I'll allow people to judge for themselves how likely all of the above is.

UPDATE:  With the signing of Rasheed and BBD, it will be practically impossible to sign a max free agent with cap space, even if Pierce opts out and leaves the team.

After cap holds, etc., our salary cap will be at approximately $40 million in 2010, even if Pierce opts out.  Right now, the salary cap for next season is projected to be between $50.4 million and $53.6.  That means that, if Pierce opts out, we'll have between $10.5 million and $13.7 million to spend on free agents.  That's not enough for a max contract.

26) What's the deal with buyouts?  Is there a limit to how much of a player's contract he can agree to buy out?  What is the last date on which a player can be bought out and still be eligible for a team's playoff roster?

At any time, a team and a player can agree to a buyout of that team's remaining salary obligation to that player.  The Celtics did this with Vin Baker and Dino Radja in the past, and in recent years Chris Webber, Sam Cassell, Joe Smith, Drew Gooden, Stephon Marbury, Mikki Moore (ugh) and others have all agreed to buyouts.  In a buyout situation, the team pays a player a reduced amount, and allows that player to become an unrestricted free agent (after they clear waivers).  The team executing the buyout is responsible for the agreed upon sum, with the cap hit being divided out equally among the remaining years of the contract (ie, in Vin Baker's deal, he had three years on his deal, and he agreed to a $16 million buyout.  Thus, the team carried a $5.33 million cap hit on its salary cap for three years.)  There is no limit to the amount of salary that can be bought out. 

In order for a bought-out player to be eligible to play on another team's playoff roster, he must be bought out no later than March 1, 2009.  You will inevitably read reports that state that the player must sign with a new team by March 1 to be playoff eligible; this is erroneous.  The only deadline for signing is the last day of the regular season.

27) At the trading deadline, we traded Sam Cassell and Patrick O'Bryant for basically nothing.  Why didn't we just cut them instead of the elaborate trades?

Basically, this was done to save money under the luxury tax.  Under luxury tax rules, you only pay tax on players who are still on your books at the end of the season.  If we'd cut POB and Sam, we would have had to pay luxury tax of approximately $1.6 million on their salaries, in addition to the remainder of their contracts (approximately $300k each).  Therefore, trading them saved a total of around $2.2 million, minus whatever cash considerations we paid.

28 ) What are the rules concerning the D-League?  Who is the Celtics' D-League affiliate?

During an NBA playerís first two seasons in the league (regardless of his age when he entered the league), his team will be permitted to assign him to a team in the NBA Development League. A player can be assigned to the NBADL up to three times per season. The player will continue to be paid his NBA salary and will continue to be included on his NBA teamís roster (on the inactive list) while playing in the NBADL.

The Celtics are affiliated with the D-League expansion team Maine Red Claws, playing in Portland, Maine.  The Red Claws will be affiliated with one additional NBA team, which has yet to be announced.

29) Will the Celtics participate in summer league this year?  When is it?  Will the games be televised?

The Celtics will participate in the Orlando summer league, from July 6 until July 10, 2009.  They will not participate in the Las Vegas summer league.  In the past, games have been closed to the public but have been available for viewing online for free; it is expected that a similar policy will be in effect this year.

30)Why are the salary numbers you listed not the same as on Hoopshype?  Does Pierce have an early termination option in his last year?

As noted above, all of the salary data above is from Shamsports.com.  From my experience, they've had much more accurate data than Hoopshype.  There are significant differences between the two sites in terms of certain player salaries, though. 

The most significant difference is that Shamsports reports that Paul Pierce has an option in his last year, and Hoopshype doesn't.  Hoopshype also has the Celtics total team salary as approximately $1 million less than Shamsports, due mostly to differences in Ray Allen's, Kevin Garnett's, and Gabe Pruitt's salaries.  (Hoopshype is definitely wrong on Pruitt's salary, as they have him earning less than the minimum salary for his number of years of experience.)  However, Shamsports is not infallible, either; they don't list Pruitt's contract next season as a team option / non-guaranteed. 

To make things even more complicated, there's a third source of salary data here, which seems to be the most accurate of the bunch.  However, it's hard to know where it came from.

31) Where can I research these issues on my own?

Larry Coon's FAQ is an invaluable resource.  For those who want to go above and beyond Coon's efforts, you can find the actual text of the Collective Bargaining Agreement on the Player's Association website.

32) Where can I find past editions of this FAQ?


They may be a bit out of date, and in parts perhaps not entirely accurate,but they can be found here:  2007 | 2008

33)  Will this be updated during the year?

Yes.  This thread will be updated when the amounts of the salary cap, luxury tax, and MLE are determined.  Thereafter, it will be updated as draft picks are made, free agents are signed, players are traded, etc.






Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2009, 08:30:41 PM »

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I voted for Roy for two reasons...
1. It was basketball related
2. What a post ! Full of research and facts and is right on point. The time it must have taken to research and to put together is second to none...and it 's accurate and not just a bunch of B.S. numbers someone made up!!!!

TP to you Hobbs!!!!

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Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
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Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
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I read the first post and figured I would vote for that one. But then I read the rest of them and now I think i just need to abstain from voting. They're all really good posts. I should have just stopped reading after the first one....

Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
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As amazing as all those posts were (and very fun to go back and read them all again,) I have to go with oldmanspeaks about relationships.  Not only was that thread a really amazing one, but that post will be something that many years from I will remember fondly about celticsblog and try to apply as advice in my own life.

Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
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For me its between Roy and Old Man Speaks.  But I gotta go with old man speaks on this one.  Its one of the most profound posts ive heard on here as well as one of his ver few posts.  I think not hearing from him alot adds to the mysticism that is his post.
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Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2009, 11:53:19 PM »

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Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
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rh rocks...voted for his thread.

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Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
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Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
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Anything to do with the Jsaad thread should win. Second place was the Will Solomon post. Brilliant. Roy's post is taken for granted. Kinda like Pacino being overlooked for the Godfather Oscar.

Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2009, 12:23:07 PM »

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Spend some time!! Do some reading and cast your vote for the best of 2008-09!!!

Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
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Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
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Re: Vote for Celticsblog 2008-09 Post of the Year
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Since I think Roy's post should be required reading for all NBA reports, I will go with that.

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