Trade Pierce instead of Sugar Ray

[AnythingIsPossible]

Why is noone talkin about this?  They are about the same age, Ray is actually in better shape then paul, and keeps his body in better shape.  He's a better team player, aka Pierce's Oscar speech last opening day and his constant whining too the media before KG got here.  Ray compliments the offense better with KG here, he's the best outside shooter in the game still.  Trading Pierce before his 2 year max deal ends up and getting a young SF in his prime as well as a stud backup makes sense to improve this team. THen we can sign Ray to a good extension, somewhere in the 10 mill range, for a few more years.   

[PosImpos]

No.

Also, nobody is talking about this because Paul's contract is not expiring next summer, and Ray's is.  I shouldn't even have to mention the fact that Paul has also spent his whole career in Boston.

[AnythingIsPossible]

That doesn't matter. There's no rule that says we can't trade guys with 2 years left.  Who cares if he was here his whole career, if we didn't trade for KG he woulda been gone cause he was being selfish and contantly whining about helping ME ME ME.

[wdleehi]

Pierce is the better player right now.  Pierce is the guy that can create for himself.  Pierce is the better defender.


Ray has an expiring contract that makes him more attractive in a trade.

[AnythingIsPossible]

I disagree.  With KG back, Ray compliments this team alot better.  He's a better shooter, more clutch from the line and from three, and he's a better leader.  Besides Rondo, Allen was the MVP of the Bulls series, hitting CLUTCH shot after CLUTCH shot to win games.  Too bad he pulled his hammy against Orlando.

[ACF]

[wdleehi]

Pierce, when KG was playing, was the MVP of the finals run.  


Pierce is the guy the Celtics have to throw at Lebron.  


And Ray was not good this year in the playoffs outside a few games.  

[Roy Hobbs]

As much as Danny talked about trading McHale and Bird, I'm sure he realizes now that teams don't simply trade away the faces of their franchise who have spent their entire careers in green.

[jambr380]

Pierce is MUCH better at creating his own shot and has the kind of game that will let him play for a while, as he doesn't depend on speed/athleticism, as much as strength and savvy play...

Plus, as has already been mentioned, Ray is worth more right now, as he has the expiring contract...

[Chief]

I disagree.  With KG back, Ray compliments this team alot better.  He's a better shooter, more clutch from the line and from three, and he's a better leader.  Besides Rondo, Allen was the MVP of the Bulls series, hitting CLUTCH shot after CLUTCH shot to win games.  Too bad he pulled his hammy against Orlando.

Ray had to shoot all those clutch shots because he could not stop his man (Gordon) from scoring all game long.

[Donoghus]

I disagree.  With KG back, Ray compliments this team alot better.  He's a better shooter, more clutch from the line and from three, and he's a better leader.  Besides Rondo, Allen was the MVP of the Bulls series, hitting CLUTCH shot after CLUTCH shot to win games.  Too bad he pulled his hammy against Orlando.

He's going to be 34 years old when next season starts.  Ray is a shooter.  His production is going to keep progressing downwards.  That's the trend with jump shooters as they get into their mid-30s.  Very rarely do you see any of those guys maintain their star level of play.  He ran hot and cold during last season.  The Bulls series obviously stand out as an illustration of what Ray can do when he's on his game.  However, there are plenty of times when he's off.  

With the 2010 free agency class looming, teams are looking for anyways to relieve themselves of contractual obligations so they can make a run at any of the big name free agents in 2010.  Because of this, an expiring contract like Ray's is a HUGE bargaining chip for the Celtics in a trade.  

[AnythingIsPossible]

Ray actually had a better offensive year then Pierce. He was top 5 among all guards in FG%, second in the league in FT%, and is one of the clutchest guys ever.  Last year in the Finals he actually posted better numbers then pierce, but didn't get the award cause he wasn't pulled out on a wheelchair!  Not to mention Ray has never been a clubhouse cancer in his career.  

[ManUp]

Why? Because Pierce is a better player.

Pierce is still an allstar player who command doubles and creates favorable matchups 90% of the time. Ray is a really really really good shooter who's able to produce at an all star level because playing with a pg who can set him up, and the other two hall of famers who still demand doubles. Ray's clutch shooting is better than Pierce, but that's about it. Statistics probably won't support this, but I believe Pierce is a much better player than Ray at this point.

[AnythingIsPossible]

I disagree.  With KG back, Ray compliments this team alot better.  He's a better shooter, more clutch from the line and from three, and he's a better leader.  Besides Rondo, Allen was the MVP of the Bulls series, hitting CLUTCH shot after CLUTCH shot to win games.  Too bad he pulled his hammy against Orlando.

He's going to be 34 years old when next season starts.  Ray is a shooter.  His production is going to keep progressing downwards.  That's the trend with jump shooters as they get into their mid-30s.  Very rarely do you see any of those guys maintain their star level of play.  He ran hot and cold during last season.  The Bulls series obviously stand out as an illustration of what Ray can do when he's on his game.  However, there are plenty of times when he's off.  

With the 2010 free agency class looming, teams are looking for anyways to relieve themselves of contractual obligations so they can make a run at any of the big name free agents in 2010.  Because of this, an expiring contract like Ray's is a HUGE bargaining chip for the Celtics in a trade.  

You seem to forget that Reggie Miller played till he was 38 and was still one of the best sg's when he retired. Ray actually keeps his body in better shape and actually had a career year last year in percentages. 

[Donoghus]

I disagree.  With KG back, Ray compliments this team alot better.  He's a better shooter, more clutch from the line and from three, and he's a better leader.  Besides Rondo, Allen was the MVP of the Bulls series, hitting CLUTCH shot after CLUTCH shot to win games.  Too bad he pulled his hammy against Orlando.

He's going to be 34 years old when next season starts.  Ray is a shooter.  His production is going to keep progressing downwards.  That's the trend with jump shooters as they get into their mid-30s.  Very rarely do you see any of those guys maintain their star level of play.  He ran hot and cold during last season.  The Bulls series obviously stand out as an illustration of what Ray can do when he's on his game.  However, there are plenty of times when he's off.  

With the 2010 free agency class looming, teams are looking for anyways to relieve themselves of contractual obligations so they can make a run at any of the big name free agents in 2010.  Because of this, an expiring contract like Ray's is a HUGE bargaining chip for the Celtics in a trade.  

You seem to forget that Reggie Miller played till he was 38 and was still one of the best sg's when he retired. Ray actually keeps his body in better shape and actually had a career year last year in percentages. 

I didn't seem to forget anything.  By the end of his run, Reggie Miller was as one-dimensional as you could get.  He couldn't play a lick of defense and couldn't create his own shot.  He had to come off picks to generate any offense.  Ray's not there yet but its a real possibility.

Also, for every Reggie Miller, there are 10 shooters that don't pan out after 35.  Mitch Ritchmond for example.

Above anything, this is about the contract, not the talent.

Right now, Ray Allen's expiring contract is a very valuable asset for the Celtics.  Plus, he still has some game.   If the Celtics are able to get talent in return that will extend this championship window, I'm all for it.  Even if its at the expense of Ray Allen.