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Re: Option after trading Rondo
« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2009, 12:52:54 PM »

Offline wdleehi

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Trading Rondo would be insane.  The only reason you trade him is if privately he is saying there is no way he wants to stay in Boston. 

Yeh, I don't get it.  I guess the only reason a guy improves is so his trade value increases. 

How about we keep him and reap the benefits?

I think it all depends on his price.  I personally have a feeling that the C's will have to actually overpay him and give him close to the Max to keep him.  He is a very cocky kid, and is very sure of his abilities, and I think if the C's don't offer him big time money this summer, he is going to want to be a restricted FA next summer, when there will be a lot of teams with cap space, who may miss out on their #1 target, and then decide to overpay Rondo, so the C's won't want to match it.  

So if you can get good value for him now (and IMO, the #2 pick and Conley is probably about $1.10 on the dollar, since Conley is a very good prospect himself, and the #2 is valuable...and if its Gay instead of Conley its like $1.50 to the dollar), you should jump at it.

No one (OK, maybe not no one, but most of us) are not saying to have a firesale, and give him away for garbage, but we just think it may be worth looking at what kind of value he has, because he is likely close to his peak in value right now, before he gets a new contract, and coming off a good playoff run.

Is Rondo really going to be making the Max?  What team out there is going to be offering a contract near that, forcing the Celtics hands?

And if Rondo plays like a player that teams are going to offer that, shouldn't the Celtics keep him?  Would he be more valuable to them as a either a player or in a sign and trade to jumpstart the next Celtic team decade?



I just don't see the benifit of trading him now for another young player and draft picks. 

If Rondo has an identical year to this year, and next summer, when all of these teams have cap space with visions of Lebron, Bosh and Wade in their heads, realize that the market is fizzling because many of these players are staying where they are, I would be shocked if someone didn't throw close to max money at Rondo.

Just ask Rashard Lewis or Correy Maggette what happens when teams with cap space are left without the guy they actually want.


Then it is time to resign Rondo or use him as a sign and trade.  


Higher value is still higher value.

Re: Option after trading Rondo
« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2009, 12:56:12 PM »

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Trading Rondo would be insane.  The only reason you trade him is if privately he is saying there is no way he wants to stay in Boston. 

Yeh, I don't get it.  I guess the only reason a guy improves is so his trade value increases. 

How about we keep him and reap the benefits?

I think it all depends on his price.  I personally have a feeling that the C's will have to actually overpay him and give him close to the Max to keep him.  He is a very cocky kid, and is very sure of his abilities, and I think if the C's don't offer him big time money this summer, he is going to want to be a restricted FA next summer, when there will be a lot of teams with cap space, who may miss out on their #1 target, and then decide to overpay Rondo, so the C's won't want to match it.  

So if you can get good value for him now (and IMO, the #2 pick and Conley is probably about $1.10 on the dollar, since Conley is a very good prospect himself, and the #2 is valuable...and if its Gay instead of Conley its like $1.50 to the dollar), you should jump at it.

No one (OK, maybe not no one, but most of us) are not saying to have a firesale, and give him away for garbage, but we just think it may be worth looking at what kind of value he has, because he is likely close to his peak in value right now, before he gets a new contract, and coming off a good playoff run.

Everyone remembers that Rondo was easily the best player for us during the playoffs, right?  Easily.  He carried us in the first round when nobody else stepped up.  He shot terribly against the Magic, but even in that series he averaged 14 points, 10 rebounds and 8 assists...   I'm one of the people who doesn't think that will continue... but if the kid actually turned a corner, he's possibly the best player the team has (with KG's future on shakey ground, with Ray continuing to get older and with Pierce seemingly missing a step).  If we traded Rondo... we'd have to get something very VERY substantial in return.  We've been grooming this kid to be the leader of Celtic Pride for the next decade.  He's had every possible mentor you could want for a future leader (Ainge, Doc, Cassell as point guards.. KG as a leader mentor, Ray as a professional... and Pierce as well).  He's helped lead us to a championship.   This team might be his next year with the way these playoffs went.  It might be going from "The Big 3" to "Rondo and the players formally known as the "Big 3"..."  Keeping him and Perk (who obviously did an amazing job at limiting Dwight) should be major major priorities.   If we have to pay Rondo "Max" money... we might want to just do it.  What's "Max money"?  14 mil a year?   His elderly sidekicks will be making 20 mil.

He finished the playoffs averaging 17.4 points, 10 rebounds, 9.8 assists and 2.5 steals which was good enough to be statistically the 7th best player in the playoffs.  The second best player for Boston was... Kendrick Perkins.   Pierce a close 3rd.   Maybe Rondo's trade value is at a high... but it almost makes more sense to be trading Pierce, Ray or KG right now.

Right, and the C's lost in the second round.

And I agree that it would make sense to trade Ray right now (Pierce and KG I don't think have nearly as much value elsewhere as here, due to their contracts), but it all depends on what you can get back.  

Listen, I would be ecstatic if the C's could keep Rondo, and sign him to a reasonable deal (say, 4 years, $40 million).  I just think the market may be shaping up in Rondo's favor, and because of that, they may need to at least look at their other options, because as good as Rondo has been, he still has a MAJOR flaw, which IMO played a major role in the C's losing the second round series.  And I think players with major flaws should not be making close to max money.

Re: Option after trading Rondo
« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2009, 12:58:27 PM »

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Trading Rondo would be insane.  The only reason you trade him is if privately he is saying there is no way he wants to stay in Boston. 

Yeh, I don't get it.  I guess the only reason a guy improves is so his trade value increases. 

How about we keep him and reap the benefits?

I think it all depends on his price.  I personally have a feeling that the C's will have to actually overpay him and give him close to the Max to keep him.  He is a very cocky kid, and is very sure of his abilities, and I think if the C's don't offer him big time money this summer, he is going to want to be a restricted FA next summer, when there will be a lot of teams with cap space, who may miss out on their #1 target, and then decide to overpay Rondo, so the C's won't want to match it.  

So if you can get good value for him now (and IMO, the #2 pick and Conley is probably about $1.10 on the dollar, since Conley is a very good prospect himself, and the #2 is valuable...and if its Gay instead of Conley its like $1.50 to the dollar), you should jump at it.

No one (OK, maybe not no one, but most of us) are not saying to have a firesale, and give him away for garbage, but we just think it may be worth looking at what kind of value he has, because he is likely close to his peak in value right now, before he gets a new contract, and coming off a good playoff run.

Is Rondo really going to be making the Max?  What team out there is going to be offering a contract near that, forcing the Celtics hands?

And if Rondo plays like a player that teams are going to offer that, shouldn't the Celtics keep him?  Would he be more valuable to them as a either a player or in a sign and trade to jumpstart the next Celtic team decade?



I just don't see the benifit of trading him now for another young player and draft picks. 

If Rondo has an identical year to this year, and next summer, when all of these teams have cap space with visions of Lebron, Bosh and Wade in their heads, realize that the market is fizzling because many of these players are staying where they are, I would be shocked if someone didn't throw close to max money at Rondo.

Just ask Rashard Lewis or Correy Maggette what happens when teams with cap space are left without the guy they actually want.


Then it is time to resign Rondo or use him as a sign and trade.  


Higher value is still higher value.

Yes, they could try to sign and trade him next year.  But they will lose their leverage in trying to get value for him.

Again, I am not saying we need to try to trade him, I am just saying that if they decide that he is not worth the amount of money he is asking for, then it is worth trying to find out what they can get for him right now, when his value is likely at his absolute peak tradewise.

If no one is up for grossly overpaying, then you just hold on to him, and if you can, resign him, otherwise, try again next year.

Re: Option after trading Rondo
« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2009, 01:53:33 PM »

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I have a theory that I think is true.

Almost 100% of the people on this site want the starting five to stay the same and just add some parts and lets go for #18. But given that the Lakers are playing for a championship and we aren't and that we are all BORED OUT OF OUR SKULLS awaiting free agency, the draft and trade season, we dream up these trades. Not because we believe in them but because we have nothing else to talk about.

I think that is 100% accurate.  I think that there would be some interest in trading Scal and Tony regardless, but I think that most people just like thinking of the crazy combination of players that they might agree to for Ray and Rondo.  (i.e., I don't want to trade Ray, but I'd move him for Kevin Martin, etc.)


yup. add in a little "grass is always greener" and an internet report or two and you have all these momentum filled trade ideas.

I'm right there in the middle. Not a bad way to pass the time.