David Thorpe Chat/Second pick trade with Rondo

[MrTripleDouble10]

Update from his chat FWIW:

Todd Doug (St. Charles)
I'm truly puzzled by this. Why would Ainge trade up to get Rubio? They already have one of the best PG's in the leauge.

David Thorpe
If they move him then clearly it's a chemistry issue.

Interesting, but it's just his opinion.  Still think it's a horrible idea to trade Rondo in this scenario.

[Donoghus]

Chemistry and/or ability to negotiate a reasonable extension. 

[Chris]

Chemistry and/or ability to negotiate a reasonable extension. 

ding! ding! ding!

[paintitgreen]

I think that's well tread territory on this board. IF the trade were to happen, chemistry and the impending extension would be the likeliest reasons. I don't think there's much of a question about that. (I see nothing in Thorpe's response to indicate there is a chemistry problem - not that he'd have access to that information, he's a complete non-party - or that the trade is likely or even possible.)

[indeedproceed]

What does thrope even think he knows about this anyways? He knows nah-sing.

My take on this, if it did happen:

A) I hope we get more than just Rubio back. And I hope they're a proven commodity. We've got too many holes and Rubio is too much of a chance and Rondo is too good a proven talent for it all to hinge on him.

B) I will miss Rondo a lot. A very very lot. Like I missed Big Al. But I will get over it, and probably just keep him on my NBA 2k10 team. 

C) We will all be so excited to see Rubio play by preseason that we'll be constipated for weeks. We won't even remember Rondo's name because of the anticipation. We will hype him so much Nike will force him to tattoo "Chosen One" in spanish on his back. In short, we'll all move on pretty quick.

[Jeff]

I don't know, I might have to sharpen the pitchfork if we trade Rondo for anyone not named Chris Paul

[crownsy]

What does thrope even think he knows about this anyways? He knows nah-sing.

My take on this, if it did happen:

A) I hope we get more than just Rubio back. And I hope they're a proven commodity. We've got too many holes and Rubio is too much of a chance and Rondo is too good a proven talent for it all to hinge on him.

B) I will miss Rondo a lot. A very very lot. Like I missed Big Al. But I will get over it, and probably just keep him on my NBA 2k10 team. 

C) We will all be so excited to see Rubio play by preseason that we'll be constipated for weeks. We won't even remember Rondo's name because of the anticipation. We will hype him so much Nike will force him to tattoo "Chosen One" in spanish on his back. In short, we'll all move on pretty quick.

I'm not sure i'd  be super excited about rubio missing defensive rotations and having his slow as molasses jump shot slammed back into his face by NBA journeymen.

I think rubio has all the skills to be a good to great player in this league, but i think he has a lot of development to go through, largely on the defensive end. The kid is 18 and has never played NBA ball.

these reports playing him up as the demi-god of point guards world wide at 18 are overblown.

[Fafnir]

That is my problem with this trade. We're good enough to win now, can we really afford to trade our near all-star PG for someone who might or might not be a better player down the road?

[BballTim]

  Trading Rondo at this point in time because you're worried about his extension is a deal that only Rick Pitino could love. You take a big talent hit for the long term gain and it's far from a given that Rubio will turn out to be more talented than Rondo in the long run.

[Roy Hobbs]

  Trading Rondo at this point in time because you're worried about his extension is a deal that only Rick Pitino could love. You take a big talent hit for the long term gain and it's far from a given that Rubio will turn out to be more talented than Rondo in the long run.

I tend to agree.  *If* the Celts moved Rondo, though, I think it would be because of both contractual and personality issues; I doubt it would be solely due to him asking for too much money.

[SoulHonky]

I don't know, I might have to sharpen the pitchfork if we trade Rondo for anyone not named Chris Paul

But would you give him Chris Paul's contract? That's the key issue. People seem to be unwilling to give him up for anything but an elite player but then when it comes to salary, he's in Jose Calderon/Kirk Hinrich territory. He'd have to agree to one hell of a hometown discount for that to happen IMO.

[pengaloo]

I don't know, I might have to sharpen the pitchfork if we trade Rondo for anyone not named Chris Paul

But would you give him Chris Paul's contract? That's the key issue. People seem to be unwilling to give him up for anything but an elite player but then when it comes to salary, he's in Jose Calderon/Kirk Hinrich territory. He'd have to agree to one hell of a hometown discount for that to happen IMO.

The whole salary thing is a matter of perspective. I find it interesting that no one was complaining about Rondo's salary when we were paying him less than Tony Allen. But then we balk at the possibility that Rondo could want half the amount that Paul Pierce makes, even though Rondo is arguably as valuable (or maybe more valuable) to the team...

[crownsy]

I don't know, I might have to sharpen the pitchfork if we trade Rondo for anyone not named Chris Paul

But would you give him Chris Paul's contract? That's the key issue. People seem to be unwilling to give him up for anything but an elite player but then when it comes to salary, he's in Jose Calderon/Kirk Hinrich territory. He'd have to agree to one hell of a hometown discount for that to happen IMO.

The whole salary thing is a matter of perspective. I find it interesting that no one was complaining about Rondo's salary when we were paying him less than Tony Allen. But then we balk at the possibility that Rondo could want half the amount that Paul Pierce makes, even though Rondo is arguably as valuable (or maybe more valuable) to the team...

The preservative boils down to two things. consistency and the ability to shoot a jump shot when open.

Rajon has shown neither of those, paul has. 8 per is fine, more is not.

[Jeff]

I don't have a problem paying him Calderon/Hinrich money and even a little more than that

he doesn't necessarily deserve Chris Bosh money right about now and I don't think he'll ask for that either

[SoulHonky]

I don't have a problem paying him Calderon/Hinrich money and even a little more than that

he doesn't necessarily deserve Chris Bosh money right about now and I don't think he'll ask for that either

The question is: would you give him Chris Paul money? If CP# is the kind of value that you think you should be getting back in a trade for Rondo, would you also be willing to pay Rondo the same salary?

Would you sign him for 6 years, 72 million? Deng and Okafor got that and I wouldn't be stunned if someone offered it to Rondo in 2010.

My point above is that there's a disconnect when discussing trade value and then salary offers that seems very strange to me.