so wait, are we wrong on the salary cap? (maz again)

[crownsy]

According to two NBA sources, the Celtics currently project to be under the salary cap following the 2010 season, when Ray Allen's contract is set to expire. That means they will have a max contract to offer in what is a very deep free agent class. The contracts of Paul Pierce ('11) and Garnett ('12) will come up in the years immediately thereafter, meaning the Celtics again will have max contracts to offer if they are still under the cap.

thats from maz today. I thought (i may be wrong here) that we are no where near a max contract in 2010???

[Redz]

Paging Mr. Hobbs...Mr. Hobbs to the Cap Thread please

[KCattheStripe]

It's a bird-- it's a plane-- its salary cap man!

[crownsy]

well whats intersting is that eh claims to have 2 NBA "sources" that back him up on this. by the explinations i read, he's wrong on a couple of levels.

1. 2010 we won't be under cap, at least not a max contract under cap.

2. if we signed a max contract in 2010, as maz proposed, we wouldnt get to hand out 2 brand new max contracts when paul and KG come off the books. its not a one for one system maz.

[cordobes]

Who's Maz? He's wrong. I mean, theoretically, if Pierce doesn't exercise his option and if we renounce to Ray Allen rights and don't extend Rondo and renounce to other free-agents (some combination of these decisions), it'd be possible. But in the real world it isn't  happening, especially when it seems the salary cap is going to decrease.

[crownsy]

Who's Maz? He's wrong. I mean, theoretically, if Pierce doesn't exercise his option and if we renounce to Ray Allen rights and don't extend Rondo and renounce to other free-agents (some combination of these decisions), it'd be possible. But in the real world it isn't  happening, especially when it seems the salary cap is going to decrease.

tony mazirotti, the celtics beat writer for the globe.

He's dead set that they are players in the 2010 FA market with a max contract, and I just don't get why.

It just caught my eye that now he has two "sources"

[Donoghus]

Don't believe Mazz.

[cordobes]

Let's assume Rondo signs an extension for $6 million, Powe for $2 million (very optimistic scenario). Pierce stays. You let Ray Allen walk for nothing, ditto for BBD, House, Tony Allen, Scal, Bill Walker, etc. and you sell every draft pick (or don't sign the rookies).

You'd have around $52 millions commited to Pierce, KG, Rondo, Powe, Perkins and Giddens - 6 players. The salary cap for 2010 is projected to be... $55 million.

[crownsy]

Let's assume Rondo signs an extension for $6 million, Powe for $2 million (very optimistic scenario). Pierce stays. You let Ray Allen walk for nothing, ditto for BBD, House, Tony Allen, Scal, Bill Walker, etc. and you sell every draft pick (or don't sign the rookies).

You'd have around $52 millions commited to Pierce, KG, Rondo, Powe, Perkins and Giddens - 6 players. The salary cap for 2010 is projected to be... $55 million.

makes you wonder who his "nba sources" are. 2 celtic interns?

[QuinielaBox]

The era of NBA deflation begins in earnest in 2010. The salary cap is determined as a fixed percentage of Basketball Related Income (BRI) - Ticket and luxery suite revenues + merchandising + TV advertisements. With the economy being the way it is, I expect a contraction in the (BRI). Even if there was no contraction in the salary cap, you must pay Rondo, Glen Davis, Perkins with the money saved from Ray Allen's slot. Ray can take the veterans salary decrease. So can Paul. KG extended at 1/3 less than peak already.

A number of teams could fold and that would create fewer openings for NBA players. But the league would be much stronger for it in the long run.

Rondo will command a big contract soon on a par with the top PGs in this league - Nash, Paul, Kidd (well he is at the back end of his max deal), Deron Williams... 6 million seems way to light for a top flight PG at this time.

[Chris]

The C's WILL be under the salary cap in 2010 (although probably not for max money, depending on what the cap number is)...if they don't resign anyone, sign only 1 year contracts, and let Ray walk.  So while Maz is correct, it is incredibly misleading, because it is just not a realistic scenario.  It is either sloppy reporting, or purposely ignoring the fact that it is far fetched, in order to start discussion.

[Donoghus]

The C's WILL be under the salary cap in 2010 (although probably not for max money, depending on what the cap number is)...if they don't resign anyone, sign only 1 year contracts, and let Ray walk.  So while Maz is correct, it is incredibly misleading, because it is just not a realistic scenario.  It is either sloppy reporting, or purposely ignoring the fact that it is far fetched, in order to start discussion.

It's Mazz.  He's a walking, talking definition of sloppy reporting.  Also, I'll never forgive the guy for ripping on Boston sports fans. 

[LarBrd33]

maybe if we keep asking this question over and over again the answer will change.

[Reggie's Ghost]

The era of NBA deflation begins in earnest in 2010. The salary cap is determined as a fixed percentage of Basketball Related Income (BRI) - Ticket and luxery suite revenues + merchandising + TV advertisements. With the economy being the way it is, I expect a contraction in the (BRI). Even if there was no contraction in the salary cap, you must pay Rondo, Glen Davis, Perkins with the money saved from Ray Allen's slot. Ray can take the veterans salary decrease. So can Paul. KG extended at 1/3 less than peak already.

A number of teams could fold and that would create fewer openings for NBA players. But the league would be much stronger for it in the long run.

Rondo will command a big contract soon on a par with the top PGs in this league - Nash, Paul, Kidd (well he is at the back end of his max deal), Deron Williams... 6 million seems way to light for a top flight PG at this time.

QuinielaBox: "What happened? I blacked out"
Dean Pritchard: "That was interesting. ha ha. Thank you very much. And, uh, your rebuttal? Mr. Carville."
James Carville: "Oh... It... We... have no response. That was perfect."
QuinielaBox: "That's the way you do it! That's the way you debate!"

[Roy Hobbs]

well whats intersting is that eh claims to have 2 NBA "sources" that back him up on this. by the explinations i read, he's wrong on a couple of levels.

1. 2010 we won't be under cap, at least not a max contract under cap.

2. if we signed a max contract in 2010, as maz proposed, we wouldnt get to hand out 2 brand new max contracts when paul and KG come off the books. its not a one for one system maz.

When Ray's contract expires, we *may* be under the cap.  However, there is absolutely no way we could clear enough space to offer a max deal (or even much more than a MLE deal) without shedding existing players who will be under contract.