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Never underestimate the heart of a Champion
« on: March 30, 2009, 01:42:59 PM »

Offline Drucci

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I'm a little bit surprised by the overall negative mood of the fans about the team's chances to repeat. The majority of us are quite pessimistic because the Celtics don't dominate the league like they did a year ago but I think that the team is still really good, if not better than last year. So here are some explanations of my own (I tried to stick to objective facts) to why we are overreacting, and why I think the team has really good chances of repeating.

I guess that we were so used to see the Celtics dominate last season that we are shocked to see that they can lose more games this year, and often consecutives losses. I mean, many times this season we thought it was the end of the world because the team had just lost to the Clippers or the Warriors but with 7 games left in the regular season, the team is on pace to win 60+ games for the second year in a row. Last year the C's won 66 games while dominating the league. This year, they can win 63 games while not being dominant... I can't help but just see a psychological difference in our minds because ultimately the results will be excellent.

- A season ago, the Celtics had many things to prove. They wanted to show that their three stars were unselfish, committed to defense, hard work and to the team's spirit (ubuntu). Not only did they dominate the league, they did it in an amazing way, by sweeping the Texas Triangle for example. They were truly dominative and unstoppable, and they were putting all their energy in every single game.

- This year, the team isn't as motivated as it was last year. I can't blame the players to be less intense, even if it makes me mad sometimes. There is a huge difference between being the dominant team in the league and the defending champions. In the first case, the opponent will try to beat you but if he isn't able to do so, he will back down and accept the defeat. Against the defending champions, the behaviour is totally different : you never back down, you attack righ from the start with a lot of energy (which explains the slow starts/1st quarters of the C's this year) and you do your best to win, no matter what. It's true for every team, including the worst of the leagues because it's the only thing they can be proud of (saying "yeah, well, we suck  but at least we beat the champs!"). The Celtics don't feel that they have something to prove because they are the defending champions, and it speaks for itself. Moreover, they know that being great in the regular season won't be remembered if you get kicked out of the playoffs in the first round. The first round against Atlanta and even the 2nd round against Cleveland made them realize that with accurracy.

In these conditions it's hard to keep your intensity up for 48 minutes and for every game of the season. Plus, against bad teams, the C's were often overconfident (like against the Bucks recently) or a litte bit lazy, blowing out some leads at the end of games. It's the common "load" of the champions : after all, you are the defending champions, it's quite normal to think you don't need to give your best against a bad team because you're clearly better than the opponents.

Understand that I'm not making excuses here. I'm just explaining why the the team doesn't seem as dominant as last year. I'd add that many fans are putting the losses' blame on the injuries plaguing the team : yes, injuries are one big factor explaining these losses but the lack of intensity and the overconfidence are part of the equation too.

- What is more worrying is that the Celtics lost to the Lakers twice this year, and have lost to other contender teams such as the Cavaliers, the Magic and the Spurs. And, there, I think we tend to forget a huge factor : the potential rivals of last year have strengthened a lot. Somebody said it in a Fanpost : the Celtics' commitment and effort who led to championship 17 are truly used as an example for many teams, like the Cavaliers (showing up for every game, dominant at home), the Lakers (more focused... or trying to be :P), the Hawks (like their 6-0 start in the first days of the season and their improved defense and competitive mentality). It's not something you can overlook : the Cavs are better than last year, so are the Magic and every other contender, not only because the Celtics inspired them but because in a year you usually improve a lot, especially after having learnt from the playoffs. Am I disappointed to see the Celtics lose against these teams? Yes. Am I worried? No, because obviously these teams have improved, it's not like the C's have regressed. Plus, last year if I recall correctly Cleveland and Orlando did split the season series so it's not much of a difference.

Here is my point : we overreact to the C's losses and weaknesses because we don't see them dominate like last year and we feel they're truly in danger of not repeating. I'm sorry but I can't help being stunned when I read that the team will be knocked out in the 1st round of the playoffs. Here is why the C's are the favorites in my opinion :

- 2nd or 3rd seed, they're able to win on the road, we know that. They struggled last year in the first rounds but did win on the road when it was necessary. This experience and their confidence will help to do it again this year, even in Cleveland.

- Healthy, the team's got one of the best rosters in the league. I'm assuming that the team will be healthy come playoffs time, especially since there are many days off in the next couple of weeks. The improvement of Powe and BBD will also really help in the playoffs.

- People are expecting too much of Marbury and Moore while they'll (probably) be fine. We all know that they came in Boston to provide their respective skills (passing, scoring and ball-handling for Starbury, length, rebounding and defense for Mikki). Sure, the two of them didn't have a huge game since their arrival but we don't really care about their performances in the regular season. Last year, PJ and Sam were expected to contribute in the playoffs and didn't do much in the regular season. And still, PJ was clutch and decisive in the game 7 against Cleveland with his perfect performance during the whole game and down the stretch (man, this jumper in the last minute was great!). That's what we are expecting from Marbury and Moore : we know what they are capable of doing and the team will have the chance to count on them when their skills will be truly needed.

Of course Marbury still has some problems with his shooting game and Mikki is way too much in foul trouble. But they are slowly getting into the rotation and you can't question their intensity and commitment : it seems like a bold statement but I'm sure they will provide quality minutes in the playoffs and really fill in their roles, as PJ did (not so much for Sam though).

- The team's defense and "killer instinct" have not disappeared unlike what many fans are thinking. Sure, the team struggled down the stretch many times this season. But the games against Cleveland without KG or in San Antonio are just reminders of what you'll see from the Celtics in the playoffs. Intensity, desire (which lacked the most this season in my opinion), huge defense, clutch plays... everything that made this team win it all last year.

I'd add that the "confidence crisis" lived by the team this season (after the Lakers' losses) will just be an other factor strenghtening the players. They know that they are not unbeatable, they know what it takes to win, they know that they can win on the road, they know they can rely on each other.

Moreover, the Celtics are quite underdogs this year, according to the media. I think it's a huge factor too : they played their best basketball when they weren't favorite anymore in the last playoffs (against Detroit and L.A) and they're at their best when the pressure of being the favorites isn't on their shoulders. The intimidation factor will be back right in the C's hands, for the best.

My point is that the Celtics have all the pieces to repeat. Really, it's obvious that they have what it takes to win another championship, physically speaking with their roster and their defense and mentally speaking with their experience, their intensity and their confidence. The only difference with last year is that they won't have HCA but I'll finally consider it as a bonus more than a needed piece because ultimately a championship team has to win on the road.

I hope I haven't bored you with this long thread, and I'd be nice if my topic could lead to some interesting debate. The title of the thread says it all : "Never underestimate the heart of a Champion"! I trust the Celtics and I can't wait to see them perform in the playoffs.




Re: Never underestimate the heart of a Champion
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2009, 02:04:36 PM »

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You hit on many good points -- a good read all around, thanks (and TP) for the effort.

One other factor has less to do with the team and more to do with the psychology of Boston/ New England sports fans.  I think in general Boston sports fans just tend to be pessimistic, and I think this has to do with the plight of the Red Sox until 2004.  While fortunes have changed recently, I think it takes longer for psychology to change. 
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Re: Never underestimate the heart of a Champion
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2009, 11:12:34 AM »

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You hit on many good points -- a good read all around, thanks (and TP) for the effort.

One other factor has less to do with the team and more to do with the psychology of Boston/ New England sports fans.  I think in general Boston sports fans just tend to be pessimistic, and I think this has to do with the plight of the Red Sox until 2004.  While fortunes have changed recently, I think it takes longer for psychology to change. 

Thanks for the TP and the response. Since I'm living in France I don't know much about the Boston/New England sports fans' psychology. What happened with the Red Sox? All I know is that the Patriots went on a perfect season last year to lose in the SuperBowl, I guess it's a kind of trauma for the sports fans.

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You hit on many good points -- a good read all around, thanks (and TP) for the effort.

One other factor has less to do with the team and more to do with the psychology of Boston/ New England sports fans.  I think in general Boston sports fans just tend to be pessimistic, and I think this has to do with the plight of the Red Sox until 2004.  While fortunes have changed recently, I think it takes longer for psychology to change. 

Thanks for the TP and the response. Since I'm living in France I don't know much about the Boston/New England sports fans' psychology. What happened with the Red Sox? All I know is that the Patriots went on a perfect season last year to lose in the SuperBowl, I guess it's a kind of trauma for the sports fans.


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Re: Never underestimate the heart of a Champion
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2009, 12:00:52 PM »

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TP for the link!

Well, this curse story is amazing, it's good that it has ended now. ;D

Re: Never underestimate the heart of a Champion
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2009, 12:25:33 PM »

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The pessism of the fans is one of the things that really sours this run that we are having.  What ever happened to being fans? To supporting your team no matter what and believing that they are going to win every time they step on the floor?  While the rational part of me tells me it will be difficult to win without KG or in a game 7 in CLE or LAL, the fan in me tells me they will.  This wasn't a problem when the Celts were competitive in 2002-2004, we were all just happy to be back.  How bout we take a  page from that and enjoy the ride and be fans again?

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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2009, 01:07:34 PM »

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The pessism of the fans is one of the things that really sours this run that we are having.  What ever happened to being fans? To supporting your team no matter what and believing that they are going to win every time they step on the floor?  While the rational part of me tells me it will be difficult to win without KG or in a game 7 in CLE or LAL, the fan in me tells me they will.  This wasn't a problem when the Celts were competitive in 2002-2004, we were all just happy to be back.  How bout we take a  page from that and enjoy the ride and be fans again?

Because everyone has their own opinion and forums like this make people think they have the wherewithal to second guess every move the C's make.  If you root/cheer, you are considered blinded by green goggles, or Danny/Doc's lap dog, truly intelligent fans know every move made that was wrong and what they would have done differently.  In general, having a place to express opinions is a good thing, but many take it to far, assuming everything we can see/know from the outside is everything there is to know.  Many like to be right more than actually cheer, as if cheering is somehow a lower level of being a fan. 

Everyone can have an opinion, but an informed opinion is another thing. I have every right to think it will rain tomorrow, but how informed is it compared to meteorologists who have oodles of information at their disposal?  Fantasy leagues also contribute to the thinking that games are just giant chess matches, that can be constructed merely be statistics, not real encounters played by actual humans.

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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2009, 02:13:23 PM »

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Main problem is that wherever you go, pessimists and complainers are always the loudest, regardless of numbers. No matter what the discussion is about, no matter what forum you're on, what setting you're on... people with negativity always will be the loudest. It's human nature.

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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2009, 05:30:12 PM »

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I mainly just wanted to bump this thread, because I don't really have anything to add.

I agree with you. The Celtics have a great chance of repeating.

And BTW, your post/TP ratio is almost a good as FLCeltFan's!  :)


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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2009, 05:33:39 PM »

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if kg is able to play in the playoffs, we have as good as a shot as anyone to win the title.

without kg, we will be saying "there is always next year".

regardless, i will continue to root, support, and be the best fan i can be....the same way i have since leaving the womb!

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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2009, 05:36:02 PM »

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That we can complain with a probable 60 win team after what we experienced 2 years ago is quite disgusting... those who want to complaing, feel free, but I will continue to enjoy this to the fullest.  We all want them to win and I am confident they will.  If they don't, I won't complain... I have no right to.

Re: Never underestimate the heart of a Champion
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2009, 05:41:54 PM »

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win or lose...i ride and die with the Celtics.....that being said....KG's situation is not a good one...it gets worse each day. i hope he is able to suit and play for the playoffs...forget the  seed forget home court....they need a 80 percent KG

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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2009, 05:43:08 PM »

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No doubt we need KG but I think we could do damage without him

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2009, 05:43:54 PM »

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No doubt we need KG but I think we could do damage without him

damage? yes...win it all without him? no

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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2009, 05:51:23 PM »

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No doubt we need KG but I think we could do damage without him

damage? yes...win it all without him? no

But the differenc is that everytime we walk on the floor, I'm gonna fully believe that we're gonna win the game.  If we go into a game 1 in the ECF in cleveland without KG, I'm gonna think we're winning the game.  If we go into a game 7 in LA without KG in the finals, I'm going in thinking we're winning.  Why would I ever go into a game thinking we're gonna lose?  Why  watch the game then?