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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2009, 11:38:07 AM »

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Utah took a lot of heat for drafting DW over CP but at this point I would think you would have to say that did the right thing or at least didn't blow it.  DW is a much better player for Utah and Utah has generally been a better team than NO.  I think if you switched the two players and had CP on Utah, I don't think Utah would be any better.

If I was building a championship team, I would rather have a PG more like DW.  CP may well be the better individual player but compare say Dennis Johnson to AI on an old Celtics team.

The debate will go on for years but clearly Utah did not make out as bad in this as everyone thought at the time.  Atlanta on the other hand, they blew it big time.

Here is another scenario to consider, say San Antonio lost Parker somehow and then was given a choice to add either CP or DW to the team they have right now.  Which do they take to give them the best chance to win in the Playoffs?
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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2009, 12:51:14 AM »

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Such a hard choice to say who is the actual better player.  They both play the game different, but both play it very effective.  Paul is best suited on a team where he's the best player, while I think Deron Williams though he is the best player on Utah, I think he could play more of a 2nd fiddle and still be as effective where I don't think Paul would be as effective doing it.
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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2009, 08:43:08 AM »

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Deron Williams is to Chris Paul, what Tracy McGrady was to Kobe Bryant

That's interesting man, I honestly don't get it. I look at it as Deron Williams is to Chris Paul as San Antonio is to Phoenix.


SKill wise, I'd say it's like Carmelo compared to Lebron. Similar hype and expectation, both becoming extremely good players, but Lebron (and Paul) entering the discussion for best in the game while Williams and Anthony settle into the franchise player category.

Ehh, I kind of see your point but I can't agree. First off, I'd take LeBron over Carmelo if they were equally skilled for the same reason of strengh and defense. Second, I think the talent gap is (or at least has grown) larger between LeBron/Anthony than CP3/DWill. That said, I'm not that big on Carmelo and think LeBron is head and shoulders over just about everybody in the league, so that could skew how I view that.

All in all it comes down to preference and opinion. Vermont Green said it best: even though CP3 may be the better talent, it's not like these guys took an Okafor over Dwight Howard like all the talking heads wanted Orlando to do. They did the right thing for their team IMO.

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2009, 09:51:33 AM »

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Deron has been playing super lights out recently.

But CP3 is better and leading an old team to heights it doesn't belong.

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2009, 11:07:46 AM »

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Deron Williams is to Chris Paul, what Tracy McGrady was to Kobe Bryant


You mean a better player until injuries sapped his athleticism and defensive ability?

People forget just how good Tracy was until he hurt his back. We Celtics fans should be able to appreciate how badly back injuries can impact a player.

I haven't forgotten how good McGrady is. He is a shadow of his former self. McGrady was my favorite player a couple years back, but that's not the point. It makes me sad to see how much he has fallen. That's why I wrote "Deron Williams is to Chris Paul, what Tracy McGrady was to Kobe Bryant". McGrady was Kobe's equal on the court at one point (until Kobe left him in the dust).

The point is that you can argue for either side. Similar players, similar numbers, and the same position. I could've posted Deron Williams is to Chris Paul, what Tim Duncan is to Kevin Garnett, and it'd be just about the same idea. What I'm saying is the two players will always be tied together, and it that you can argue for either one, and not sound dumb.

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2009, 11:45:02 AM »

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The point is that you can argue for either side. Similar players, similar numbers, and the same position. I could've posted Deron Williams is to Chris Paul, what Tim Duncan is to Kevin Garnett, and it'd be just about the same idea. What I'm saying is the two players will always be tied together, and it that you can argue for either one, and not sound dumb.

They don't have similar numbers nor are they similar players. Paul is superior in almost every aspect of the game. They only thing alike is that they play the same position.

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2009, 12:23:15 PM »

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I just looked at the stats and Deron Williams only leads CP3 in fouling less per game.

CP3 shoots better than Deron from all over the floor, plays more minutes, makes less turnovers, gets more rebounds and assists and steals and scores more than Deron Williams does.

CP3 also gets to the line more and shoots less 3's than Deron.

If Deron is bigger and stronger, he should get to the line more than CP3, he should be like Harris (9.2) and get to the line 10+ per game.

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2009, 01:03:16 PM »

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Deron Williams was injured to start the season and his first dozen games or so were absolutely horrible, he took him some time to get his legs back.

Most importantly, they play in very different systems. The difference on assists per 36 minutes is residual (0.1), the difference in points score is explained by Paul's superior Usg%, but I'm pretty sure Paul's largest advantage would be in an hypothetical "% of clock time with the ball on his hands".

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2009, 01:06:21 PM »

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Good point of discussion, but come on, sorta off base. I'd LOOSELY say that's like comparing Kobe to MJ or Wilt to Shaq, close, but not close enough...and the only guy D-Will should be compared to is Jason Kidd.
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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2009, 03:35:22 PM »

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Deron Williams is to Chris Paul, what Tracy McGrady was to Kobe Bryant



well said.

actually
Deron is to CP
what Kidd is to Iverson
and I pick kidd every day of the week and 4 times on weekends
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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2009, 04:30:06 PM »

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While the two are both PG's, they play the game in such different styles that asking to choose which is better is really a referendum on which style one prefers.

In both cases both teams style is dictated by their PG play.  To run wildly wouldn't work with Deron as the PG, and if the Hornets attempted to control tempo by grinding through the shot clock would hamper the effectiveness of CP3 in the open court.

Paul will always look better, as a by product of all the steals he gets, and his quickness up and down the court.  However Deron plays better straight up D, and controls the tempo better.

I personally prefer Deron, however there is really no wrong answer here


Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #56 on: March 09, 2009, 04:35:09 PM »

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Deron Williams is to Chris Paul, what Tracy McGrady was to Kobe Bryant



well said.

actually
Deron is to CP
what Kidd is to Iverson
and I pick kidd every day of the week and 4 times on weekends


Okay. Now I'm really confused. Maybe too much exaggerating by all parties?


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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #57 on: March 09, 2009, 05:24:06 PM »

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Deron Williams is to Chris Paul, what Tracy McGrady was to Kobe Bryant



well said.

actually
Deron is to CP
what Kidd is to Iverson
and I pick kidd every day of the week and 4 times on weekends


Okay. Now I'm really confused. Maybe too much exaggerating by all parties?

ok
dw is to cp
like
Pinky is to brain
like
abott to costello
like
lorel to hardy
like
randy orton to hhh
like
the rock is to stone cold
like
menudo is to metallica

this trying just to keep u Un confused  ;D
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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #58 on: March 09, 2009, 05:35:45 PM »

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Deron Williams is to Chris Paul, what Tracy McGrady was to Kobe Bryant



well said.

actually
Deron is to CP
what Kidd is to Iverson
and I pick kidd every day of the week and 4 times on weekends


Okay. Now I'm really confused. Maybe too much exaggerating by all parties?

ok
dw is to cp
like
Pinky is to brain
like
abott to costello
like
lorel to hardy
like
randy orton to hhh
like
the rock is to stone cold
like
menudo is to metallica

this trying just to keep u Un confused  ;D


like
Salmon is to Potatoes?
Like
Green is to potential?

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #59 on: March 09, 2009, 05:52:51 PM »

Offline Edgar

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Deron Williams is to Chris Paul, what Tracy McGrady was to Kobe Bryant



well said.

actually
Deron is to CP
what Kidd is to Iverson
and I pick kidd every day of the week and 4 times on weekends


Okay. Now I'm really confused. Maybe too much exaggerating by all parties?

ok
dw is to cp
like
Pinky is to brain
like
abott to costello
like
lorel to hardy
like
randy orton to hhh
like
the rock is to stone cold
like
menudo is to metallica

this trying just to keep u Un confused  ;D


like
Salmon is to Potatoes?
Like
Green is to potential?



exactly u get it perfectly

like
scal is to intangibles
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