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Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« on: March 06, 2009, 05:42:41 PM »

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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2009, 05:45:55 PM »

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I think Deron is on the more talented and better coached team. 


I think Paul is more talented.

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2009, 05:46:15 PM »

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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2009, 05:52:54 PM »

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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2009, 06:14:05 PM »

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its not even close...

which is why I suspect you didn't even attempt to make an argument.

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2009, 06:15:43 PM »

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Deron is a heck of a point guard, but I think CP3 is on a tier all his own.

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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2009, 06:18:49 PM »

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CP3 is in his own league...but like Mike Gorman doesn't like Melo, I don't like Chris Paul. Every time I watch him play he has a sour look on his face and he's crying to the refs. If I'm picking between players on the school yard I'm taking Deron Williams EVERY TIME.

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2009, 06:32:08 PM »

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No way. CP3 will dominate the point guard position for years to come. Deron will always be overshadowed by Paul.

But he is the 2nd best PG in the league for sure.

1. Chris Paul

2. Deron Williams




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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2009, 06:37:28 PM »

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wrong.

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2009, 06:50:10 PM »

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In one respect:  In head to head matchups, I have more confidence in R2's ability to outplay Chris Paul than his ability to outplay a healthy Deron Williams.  Otherwise I'm going to have to go with CP3.

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2009, 06:59:09 PM »

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Bah, I am going for it:

1. Rondo

2. CP3

3. Deron

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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2009, 07:05:56 PM »

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I'm with you NextCeltic. CP3 may be the more talented player/PG, but if I'm building a playoff team out of the entire league, I'll take D. Will as my PG.

CP3 may win the skills competition every time, but D. Will is bigger, stronger, tougher (physically and mentally) and a better defender. If we're talking building a team, I'll take those qualities and give you CP3's speed and offensive edge all day long.

Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2009, 07:12:54 PM »

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I think Chris Paul is better.... but the gap between the two is A LOT smaller than people generally realize, in my opinion.

Right now I have them at #'s 6 and 7 in my MVP race.


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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2009, 07:29:30 PM »

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A team in the NBA only needs a solid point guard to win a championship. There is little need for having a great player at the point. Here's my reasoning, Name me a team that won the championship that had a point guard as its best player. You have to go back to Isiah's Pistons. Having point guards who take a lot of shots and dribble the air out of the ball doesn't work. All you need to win is a John Paxson, Kenny Smith, Ron Harper, Avery Johnson, Derek Fisher, Jay Williams, or Rajon Rondo. The only all star level talent point guard who won recently was Tony Parker, and he was no where near being the best player on his team. There are other franshise players who are bigger, stronger, and faster than Chris Paul. Thus, they play the game more efficiently. These are the guys you want to build your team around.
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Re: Deron Williams > Chris Paul
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2009, 07:39:43 PM »

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I'm with you NextCeltic. CP3 may be the more talented player/PG, but if I'm building a playoff team out of the entire league, I'll take D. Will as my PG.

CP3 may win the skills competition every time, but D. Will is bigger, stronger, tougher (physically and mentally) and a better defender. If we're talking building a team, I'll take those qualities and give you CP3's speed and offensive edge all day long.


So what if Williams is bigger, stronger and tougher? These are qualities that help williams be ALMOST as good as Paul. Yes, if you could give 2 players the exact same speed, shot, skill, etc., but make one of them bigger and stronger, he would be a better player. However, Paul is better than Williams AFTER size is taken into account! Williams and Paul are NOT evenly skilled players with Williams' size tipping it in his favor; rather, Paul is a significantly more talented player while Williams' size and strength helps get him closer to Paul than he would be if the two were the same size as each other but still had their individual skillsets.

Paul is a better scorer, better passer, better rebounder than williams. i think they are different types of defender, but both are very good defenders.

Williams plays for a hall of fame coach and an incredibly deep and talented team; far superior to Paul's surrounding cast.

there's a reason that Paul has consistently posted a PER about 9 POINTS higher than Williams this year and last. That's a HUGE difference, and would pretty much cancel out any difference in defense...except both are about equal on defense. Clearly Paul is the better player, and is in the discussion with Howard and Lebron as prime players to build around. Williams is clearly a notch below.