teams ranked by draft success

[Boris Badenov]

Celts do pretty well, as you might have guessed. It starts in 1989, and going back just a couple years would have made us look even better (Lewis/Shaw).

For fun, before you click take a guess who the best drafting team from 1989-2008 is. I wouldn't have gotten it in a million years.

http://82games.com/bestdraftingteams.htm

And I was pleased to see the Knicks last. According to this, David Lee is their best draft pick of the last 20 years! Ouch.

[Cman]

Cool topic.

I look forward to seeing the team-by-team breakdowns that are mentioned as coming later (because I am really interested in seeing how the Celtics have done over the past 4-5 years under DA).

[Thruthelookingglass]

Wow, fun to pick this apart.  I'm afraid the team breakdowns will show how genuinely difficult it is to be a GM and make picks/trades.

Keep us posted Boris!

[Galiza Ceive]

Not in a million years I would have guess it right.
I was thinking of San Antonio: Duncan, Ginobili, Parker...

[shiggins]

Is there a way we can break it down and actually see who the "stars" are?  I mean they consider Marc Gasol a "star"?

The Celts have 6 stars.  Im thinking Antoine, Paul, Chauncey, Joe Johnson then....Rondo? Dino Radja? Marcus Banks?

[ederson]

Is there a way we can break it down and actually see who the "stars" are?  I mean they consider Marc Gasol a "star"?

The Celts have 6 stars.  Im thinking Antoine, Paul, Chauncey, Joe Johnson then....Rondo? Dino Radja? Marcus Banks?

I think the other two are Radja and Al

[Edgar]

And I was pleased to see the Knicks last. According to this, David Lee is their best draft pick of the last 20 years! Ouch.

yes he is

[Edgar]

 Player Season Pick G Min PTS REB AST RTG G Min PTS REB AST RTG
 Gilbert Arenas 2001 30 431 37.4 22.8 4.2 5.5 32.5 +181 +23.3 +17.6 +1.6 +4.4 +23.6
 Carlos Boozer 2002 34 407 32.5 17.0 10.0 2.4 29.4 +270 +19.8 +12.7 +7.9 +1.2 +21.8
 Dino Radja 1989 40 224 32.6 16.7 8.4 1.6 26.7 +90 +21.1 +12.4 +6.7 +0.6 +19.7
 Kobe Bryant 1996 13 909 36.4 25.0 5.3 4.6 34.9 +462 +13.7 +15.2 +1.6 +2.7 +19.5
 Michael Redd 2000 43 550 34.0 20.5 4.1 2.3 26.9 +322 +21.2 +15.6 +2.0 +1.5 +19.0
 Manu Ginobili 1999 57 465 27.7 14.7 4.0 3.6 22.3 +422 +22.6 +12.8 +3.0 +3.1 +19.0
 Rashard Lewis 1998 32 741 34.5 16.9 5.8 1.8 24.5 +589 +22.8 +12.9 +4.2 +0.8 +17.9
 Dirk Nowitzki 1998 9 801 36.5 22.6 8.6 2.7 33.9 +341 +13.4 +12.4 +3.7 +1.1 +17.3
 Stephen Jackson 1997 42 575 32.2 15.2 3.8 3.0 22.0 +459 +23.5 +12.1 +2.3 +2.3 +16.7
 Cuttino Mobley 1998 41 747 37.0 16.0 3.9 2.7 22.6 +598 +26.9 +12.4 +2.1 +2.0 +16.6
 Paul Pierce 1998 10 778 37.5 22.9 6.3 3.9 33.1 +281 +12.9 +12.7 +1.9 +1.7 +16.4

acording to this pp is top 10 best value, even when picked top 10, only dirk appears to have best value and i think thts debatable.

[Brickowski]

You forgot Al Jefferson and Kendrick Perkins.

I don't like the methodology.  Why should Cleveland get "points" for drafting LeBron?  It was a no brainer.  In fact, the first ten picks are pretty much no brainers in most drafts.

To evaluate drafting prowess, you have to look at the second round.  You also have to look at the players that a team passed over in order to select the player they did. Tony Parker could have been a Celtic instead of Joe Forte.  That's criminal drafting. (Yes, we all know why.)

[shiggins]

You forgot Al Jefferson and Kendrick Perkins.

I don't like the methodology.  Why should Cleveland get "points" for drafting LeBron?  It was a no brainer.  In fact, the first ten picks are pretty much no brainers in most drafts.

To look at drafting prowess, you have to look at the second round.  You also have to look at the players that a team passed over in order to select the player they did.

Not true.  There are still tons of picks in the top 10 that come out terrible.  The Hawks were brutal because they would always choose a sucky wing player with a top 7 pick every single year.  You should definitely get credit for choosing a good player early as opposed to drafting a Darko/Dermarr Johnson/Kandi Man/Stromile Swift etc.  You could argue that missing on a early pick is way more detrimental to a franchise than the boost from hitting it big in the 2nd round.  Mostly, because even if you do score huge in the 2nd, the difference is still Duncan vs. Gilbert. 

Although, what i do think they should take into account is the level of the rest of the draft.  I mean its tough to penalize every single team for their picks in the 2000 draft since it was so terrible.  You can only pick whose there...I mean if you choose Moiso vs. Marcus Fizer vs. Chris Mihm nobody wins.

Then again, if everybody is penalized i guess its fair 

[papa shuttlesworth]

Player Season Pick G Min PTS REB AST RTG G Min PTS REB AST RTG
 Gilbert Arenas 2001 30 431 37.4 22.8 4.2 5.5 32.5 +181 +23.3 +17.6 +1.6 +4.4 +23.6
 Carlos Boozer 2002 34 407 32.5 17.0 10.0 2.4 29.4 +270 +19.8 +12.7 +7.9 +1.2 +21.8
 Dino Radja 1989 40 224 32.6 16.7 8.4 1.6 26.7 +90 +21.1 +12.4 +6.7 +0.6 +19.7
 Kobe Bryant 1996 13 909 36.4 25.0 5.3 4.6 34.9 +462 +13.7 +15.2 +1.6 +2.7 +19.5
 Michael Redd 2000 43 550 34.0 20.5 4.1 2.3 26.9 +322 +21.2 +15.6 +2.0 +1.5 +19.0
 Manu Ginobili 1999 57 465 27.7 14.7 4.0 3.6 22.3 +422 +22.6 +12.8 +3.0 +3.1 +19.0
 Rashard Lewis 1998 32 741 34.5 16.9 5.8 1.8 24.5 +589 +22.8 +12.9 +4.2 +0.8 +17.9
 Dirk Nowitzki 1998 9 801 36.5 22.6 8.6 2.7 33.9 +341 +13.4 +12.4 +3.7 +1.1 +17.3
 Stephen Jackson 1997 42 575 32.2 15.2 3.8 3.0 22.0 +459 +23.5 +12.1 +2.3 +2.3 +16.7
 Cuttino Mobley 1998 41 747 37.0 16.0 3.9 2.7 22.6 +598 +26.9 +12.4 +2.1 +2.0 +16.6
 Paul Pierce 1998 10 778 37.5 22.9 6.3 3.9 33.1 +281 +12.9 +12.7 +1.9 +1.7 +16.4

acording to this pp is top 10 best value, even when picked top 10, only dirk appears to have best value and i think thts debatable.

I looked at that page and was surprised by a few names.  It is a testament to how good they are that KG, Wade and Lebron can be listed among the top values of the past 20 years when they were the 5th and 1st picks.

[Edgar]

Player Season Pick G Min PTS REB AST RTG G Min PTS REB AST RTG
 Gilbert Arenas 2001 30 431 37.4 22.8 4.2 5.5 32.5 +181 +23.3 +17.6 +1.6 +4.4 +23.6
 Carlos Boozer 2002 34 407 32.5 17.0 10.0 2.4 29.4 +270 +19.8 +12.7 +7.9 +1.2 +21.8
 Dino Radja 1989 40 224 32.6 16.7 8.4 1.6 26.7 +90 +21.1 +12.4 +6.7 +0.6 +19.7
 Kobe Bryant 1996 13 909 36.4 25.0 5.3 4.6 34.9 +462 +13.7 +15.2 +1.6 +2.7 +19.5
 Michael Redd 2000 43 550 34.0 20.5 4.1 2.3 26.9 +322 +21.2 +15.6 +2.0 +1.5 +19.0
 Manu Ginobili 1999 57 465 27.7 14.7 4.0 3.6 22.3 +422 +22.6 +12.8 +3.0 +3.1 +19.0
 Rashard Lewis 1998 32 741 34.5 16.9 5.8 1.8 24.5 +589 +22.8 +12.9 +4.2 +0.8 +17.9
 Dirk Nowitzki 1998 9 801 36.5 22.6 8.6 2.7 33.9 +341 +13.4 +12.4 +3.7 +1.1 +17.3
 Stephen Jackson 1997 42 575 32.2 15.2 3.8 3.0 22.0 +459 +23.5 +12.1 +2.3 +2.3 +16.7
 Cuttino Mobley 1998 41 747 37.0 16.0 3.9 2.7 22.6 +598 +26.9 +12.4 +2.1 +2.0 +16.6
 Paul Pierce 1998 10 778 37.5 22.9 6.3 3.9 33.1 +281 +12.9 +12.7 +1.9 +1.7 +16.4

acording to this pp is top 10 best value, even when picked top 10, only dirk appears to have best value and i think thts debatable.

I looked at that page and was surprised by a few names.  It is a testament to how good they are that KG, Wade and Lebron can be listed among the top values of the past 20 years when they were the 5th and 1st picks.

ohh and the rapist i forgot him too

and yes i totally agree with u about kg, wade and bron