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If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?

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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2009, 01:04:23 PM »

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Absolutely not. I'd rather have Smith, but we NEED a big. And losing both when we could have Moore would be tough to deal with.
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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2009, 01:04:32 PM »

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If you ask yourself what we need to the guy to do it becomes a little more clear. He needs to be able to rebound the ball with some length, and be a threat offensively in the low post. He also needs to be able to play team defense.

The guy averages 3 pts and 3 boards in the same amount of time that BBD is playing. Those are lesser stats. He only is blocking .30 shots per game and a half a shot per game in his career. Not much better than BBD. His fg% at 52 vs 40 is the only meaningful difference between his stats and BBD and I would base that on him having a better finishing percentage around the rim due to being able to dunk the ball. He does appear to have a little better shot than BBD from the outside as well which isn't difficult.

That being said, I think the guys stats show he is more of a SF type player than a big man. He plays like a very very poor mans KG without near the talent.

Compare that to Joe Smith's numbers which are much better overall and his veteran experience and I think that is a big enough jump to make the signing. Otherwise I would rather have BBD and Scal out there filling Moore's potential minutes.
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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2009, 01:07:54 PM »

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Quote from: dark_lord on February 21, 2009, 12:50:34 PM
i say get what you can when you can get it. 


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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2009, 01:08:49 PM »

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Quote from: EJPLAYA on February 21, 2009, 01:04:32 PM
If you ask yourself what we need to the guy to do it becomes a little more clear. He needs to be able to rebound the ball with some length, and be a threat offensively in the low post. He also needs to be able to play team defense.

The guy averages 3 pts and 3 boards in the same amount of time that BBD is playing. Those are lesser stats. He only is blocking .30 shots per game and a half a shot per game in his career. Not much better than BBD. His fg% at 52 vs 40 is the only meaningful difference between his stats and BBD and I would base that on him having a better finishing percentage around the rim due to being able to dunk the ball. He does appear to have a little better shot than BBD from the outside as well which isn't difficult.

That being said, I think the guys stats show he is more of a SF type player than a big man. He plays like a very very poor mans KG without near the talent.

Compare that to Joe Smith's numbers which are much better overall and his veteran experience and I think that is a big enough jump to make the signing. Otherwise I would rather have BBD and Scal out there filling Moore's potential minutes.

Agreed.  I'll stand by my "Mikki is bum" stance.  If we need a body, see what the Kandi Man is up to...OK, not really Kandi man, but I'm not sold on getting a guy just for the sake of getting a guy.
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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2009, 01:13:12 PM »

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I think we absolutely have to sign him now.  There might not be another chance to get anyone else.  If Smith becomes available, and Moore is not working out, we cut him and sign Smith.  Or there is even the chance that we use our two roster spots on both of them while we (still) wait for Marbury to be bought out.  That would be the ideal situation in my opinion, as we could then evaluate both of them, and cut which ever one is providing the least, when Marbury finally becomes available.
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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2009, 01:15:01 PM »

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Quote from: silvershamrocker on February 21, 2009, 01:04:23 PM
Absolutely not. I'd rather have Smith, but we NEED a big. And losing both when we could have Moore would be tough to deal with.
Ditto.  Bird in hand better than two in the bush type of situation.
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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2009, 01:16:31 PM »

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Scary stat:  opposing centers are shooting 60.9% against Moore when he plays the 5.  "Opponent production" is a flawed statistic, but there aren't a lot of big men in the league that give up 60% shooting.

Statistically, Moore was either the second or third worst player on Sacramento this season.  I think he's certainly better than POB, but there's no reason to think that he's an appreciable upgrade over Powe or BBD.  The more I think about it, the more I think that we have to wait for Smith.  Smith is a difference maker.  I don't think Moore is.
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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2009, 01:18:31 PM »

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Quote from: Roy Hobbs on February 21, 2009, 01:16:31 PM
Scary stat:  opposing centers are shooting 60.9% against Moore when he plays the 5.  "Opponent production" is a flawed statistic, but there aren't a lot of big men in the league that give up 60% shooting.

Statistically, Moore was either the second or third worst player on Sacramento this season.  I think he's certainly better than POB, but there's no reason to think that he's an appreciable upgrade over Powe or BBD.  The more I think about it, the more I think that we have to wait for Smith.  Smith is a difference maker.  I don't think Moore is.

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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2009, 01:19:09 PM »

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So the hope is that the Cavs sign Moore the day before Smith is bought out?
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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2009, 01:29:16 PM »

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Quote from: Redz on February 21, 2009, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: Roy Hobbs on February 21, 2009, 01:16:31 PM
Scary stat:  opposing centers are shooting 60.9% against Moore when he plays the 5.  "Opponent production" is a flawed statistic, but there aren't a lot of big men in the league that give up 60% shooting.

Statistically, Moore was either the second or third worst player on Sacramento this season.  I think he's certainly better than POB, but there's no reason to think that he's an appreciable upgrade over Powe or BBD.  The more I think about it, the more I think that we have to wait for Smith.  Smith is a difference maker.  I don't think Moore is.

BUM I SAY...BUM!!!

I have to agree with this analysis. Bum...I only hope that the Cavs or Lakers get him. Perkins or Powe will get to shoot over 60% vs him!

I know we have needs but filling a need with another piece of wood for our bench does not sound appealing. Better apples will fall from the tree- Danny will come through.
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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2009, 01:33:05 PM »

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Quote from: Roy Hobbs on February 21, 2009, 01:16:31 PM
Scary stat:  opposing centers are shooting 60.9% against Moore when he plays the 5.  "Opponent production" is a flawed statistic, but there aren't a lot of big men in the league that give up 60% shooting.

Statistically, Moore was either the second or third worst player on Sacramento this season.  I think he's certainly better than POB, but there's no reason to think that he's an appreciable upgrade over Powe or BBD.  The more I think about it, the more I think that we have to wait for Smith.  Smith is a difference maker.  I don't think Moore is.

I agree. I've been saying that they're on a different level. Moore would still be useful, but not because he's a better player than BBD or Powe - he isn't - just due to the fact that he's a player with different traits that adds some depth.
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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2009, 01:34:15 PM »

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Why is Moore the only alternative to Smith?

Chris Mihm is available right now as well. Is Moore better?

Given the Pacers' well publicized economic woes, a buyout for Rasho seems in the offing. Is he a better option than Moore?
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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2009, 01:36:04 PM »

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Quote from: Roy Hobbs on February 21, 2009, 01:16:31 PM
Scary stat:  opposing centers are shooting 60.9% against Moore when he plays the 5.  "Opponent production" is a flawed statistic, but there aren't a lot of big men in the league that give up 60% shooting.

Statistically, Moore was either the second or third worst player on Sacramento this season.  I think he's certainly better than POB, but there's no reason to think that he's an appreciable upgrade over Powe or BBD.  The more I think about it, the more I think that we have to wait for Smith.  Smith is a difference maker.  I don't think Moore is.

Thank you Roy, you just made me a lot more comfortable with the thought of waiting for Smith.  I really think they are better off waiting for Smith, and if they can't get him, trying to get a classic "6 foul center" rather than a guy like Moore.  

Honestly, for what this team needs, guys like Michael Doleac or Chris Mihm might be more valuable than Moore, who is tall, but would just get pushed around by the big centers.
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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2009, 01:37:17 PM »

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Quote from: Redz on February 21, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Mikki Moore is a bum.

I'd rather have Scal out there...(and no, I'm not kidding)


hmm..strongly disagree, scal is a total scrub who shouldnt even be in the NBA, nevermind for that salary. He should be parked on the bench come playoff time, just like last year. Moore is an upgrade.
Chris Mihm just got sent packing from a contender who lost there starting center for 8 weeks, and is one of the worst defensive and offensive centers ive ever seen...no thanks
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Re: If Moore is available, can the Celtics afford to wait for Smith?
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2009, 01:45:24 PM »

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Quote from: TatteredOnMySleeve on February 21, 2009, 01:37:17 PM
Quote from: Redz on February 21, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Mikki Moore is a bum.

I'd rather have Scal out there...(and no, I'm not kidding)


hmm..strongly disagree, scal is a total scrub who shouldnt even be in the NBA, nevermind for that salary. He should be parked on the bench come playoff time, just like last year. Moore is an upgrade.
Chris Mihm just got sent packing from a contender who lost there starting center for 8 weeks, and is one of the worst defensive and offensive centers ive ever seen...no thanks

I think you are not going to be happy Sunday where I would bet Scali starts and plays well.
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