My son says "Kobe's a nice guy".

[Champzilla]

BrickJames do you think OJ did it ?

[BrickJames]

BrickJames do you think OJ did it ?

Yes

[ACF]

Fact is if you have enough money you can get away with anything. Ask OJ.

Well, only so many times.
But you made a point.
"And justice for all" may not
always be justice for all.
It just sounds good.



What if we reverse the roles? Kobe
thinks he can get away with it BECAUSE
he is a superstar and no one will
believe what this woman is saying.
She had a history of so-called one
night stands and whenever those words
are thrown into the 'rape equation',
so to speak, who will we believe?
I'm not saying Kobe knew of her "history"
but I know it didn't hurt him as far as
a trial goes. This woman did not want her
dirty laundry done in public and Kobe had
enough money to buy her silence.
Being a false accuser of rape is pretty
low on the list of low. But being outright
heartless, which people come across as when
they don't believe a rape victim, is even
lower. I must admit, my initial response
to those events in Colorado, was "golddigger".
Roy Hobbs (and others here) convinced me the
DA had a real case. My two cents...

[Rida]

there's a woman in Colorado who disagrees.

and there's evidence and a Justice system who says that woman is a liar.  Sorry, I'll stand by the facts and the law in this one.

Thats hilarious. Kobe essentially admitted to that fact that he slept with her. What was in dispute was whether she consented or not.

[Champzilla]

But BrickJames OJ was found not guilty ?

[BrickJames]

there's a woman in Colorado who disagrees.

and there's evidence and a Justice system who says that woman is a liar.  Sorry, I'll stand by the facts and the law in this one.

Thats hilarious. Kobe essentially admitted to that fact that he slept with her. What was in dispute was whether she consented or not.

So sleeping with someone makes you not a nice person?  Your logic eludes me.

@Champ: your attempts at trolling me are failing.  Please try harder.

[CelticsWhat35]

there's a woman in Colorado who disagrees.

and there's evidence and a Justice system who says that woman is a liar.  Sorry, I'll stand by the facts and the law in this one.

Thats hilarious. Kobe essentially admitted to that fact that he slept with her. What was in dispute was whether she consented or not.

So sleeping with someone makes you not a nice person?  Your logic eludes me.

@Champ: your attempts at trolling me are failing.  Please try harder.

Kobe initially lied about even having sex with her, so why should he get the benefit of the doubt when he claims it was consentual after the fact?

[ACF]

Before this gets locked, I'll just say
that I'll teach my son that Kobe's not
a nice guy and that no means no.

[Roy Hobbs]

Thats hilarious. Kobe essentially admitted to that fact that he slept with her. What was in dispute was whether she consented or not.

So sleeping with someone makes you not a nice person?  Your logic eludes me.

Cheating on your wife fits into the "not nice" category to me, yes.  If you can lie to the person you supposedly love more than all others, who won't you lie to?

As for whether Kobe is or is not a nice person, I'm sure some of his former and current teammates could shed light on that. 

[fairweatherfan]

Before this gets locked, I'll just say
that I'll teach my son that Kobe's not
a nice guy and that no means no.

TP for making me laugh, though unfortunately the joke it made me think of would probably get me suspended at least.  Good to see Kobe treated Nick's son well, though it doesn't change my mind about his general personality. 

[ACF]

Before this gets locked, I'll just say
that I'll teach my son that Kobe's not
a nice guy and that no means no.

TP for making me laugh, though unfortunately the joke it made me think of would probably get me suspended at least.  Good to see Kobe treated Nick's son well, though it doesn't change my mind about his general personality. 

And I wasn't even trying to be funny!
Oh, well, I'll take the TP anyway 
Here's one for you as well.

[nickagneta]

Just so that we are clear on rape, any man can rape any woman. A husband can rape a wife and a boyfriend a girlfriend. Up until the time that sex begins if the woman or girl says no, that's it. Game over. Go no further. If you do, it's rape.

Only Kobe and that girl in Denver knows for sure what happened. But it matters not that there was flirting or that she went to the room or that up until the time the sex was about to start she was consenting. If just before she said no and Kobe proceeded, that's rape.

Unfortunately, without physical evidence it is almost impossible to prove. And the biggest problem is that due to the psychological damage done by the event most woman don't think clearly and immediately call the police and go to a hospital to have a rape examination performed. Actually most women don't do that. Most women don';t even report the rape.

So to be unequivically in support of Kobe in this case seems very strange because none of us were there and there was enough corroberating evidence to prove that it could have happened. Maybe not beyond a reasonable doubt, but definitely that it could have.

[slam]

My opinion is that Kobe is a nice guy.  He commited one terrible act of cheating on his wife, but one act should not define you, even if it is one that would be unforgivable to some.

[BrickJames]

I'm actually shocked I'm the only one on this board who doesn't think Kobe did it - or at least has the gall to admit it.

For what it's worth I don't have a single friend who believes Kobe actually did do it.  Demographic difference, I suppose.

That said, I got sucked into this nonsense after seeing yet more people hijack threads with stupid one-liners about Kobe being a rapist.  I guess you have to be one of the "in-crowd" around here to get away with that type of thing (and be flowered with TPs for it).

EDIT:

So to be unequivically in support of Kobe in this case seems very strange because none of us were there and there was enough corroberating evidence to prove that it could have happened. Maybe not beyond a reasonable doubt, but definitely that it could have.

I am not supporting Kobe unequivocally.  I'm rather expressing my frustration with internet know-it-alls who find it funny to call people a rapist every time his name is brought up.

The same people who find it "disturbing" the language I use to describe the accuser do not find their own language just as dumbfounded and based in nothing.

/rant

[BrickJames]

My opinion is that Kobe is a nice guy.  He commited one terrible act of cheating on his wife, but one act should not define you, even if it is one that would be unforgivable to some.

Actually, two instances are public - but who's counting how many times Vanessa has cheated on him?  How bout them apples?