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Re: James Posey Threads (merged)
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2008, 09:53:03 PM »

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personally i thought it was a no-brainer to re-sign Pose...even for what he was asking.

but if you don't re-sign him, you have to replace him.

"replacement by committee" - which seems to be the prevailing method - to me seems like "closer by committee" for the Sox and we know how that turned out...

so while TA, Eddie, Powe and BBD makes a pretty solid bench, I think we have not replaced Pose at this point and it could be a problem.

the three biggest things that we are missing from Pose right now are length, intensity and most importantly 3pt shooting.

the combo of Eddie and Posey dropping 3's off the bench was a perfect combo. It opened up the middle for penetration and got some easy baskets. It also helped them get back into games like tonight's when every offensive possession was a grind. we could really have used a few three bombs in the middle of the game there to get back into it and get a rhythm going.

so long story short, we should have kept Pose, but as we are now, I think we REALLY need another shooter off the bench on the wing preferably at the SF spot. It's just not on the roster right now....
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Re: James Posey Threads (merged)
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2008, 10:48:38 PM »

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i understand the celtics not signing re-signing posey because of the length of the contract.  i think 5 years would not have been a wise move.  posey will provide 2-3 years at his level, but by the fifth year, he is a financial risk.

the decision was made and we have to move on from it.  there is no reason to "revisit it".  the only thing to do is figure out how to make up for the loss, whether it be rotations, strategies, or bringing in new personnnel.

Re: James Posey Threads (merged)
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2008, 10:52:34 PM »

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i understand the celtics not signing re-signing posey because of the length of the contract.  i think 5 years would not have been a wise move.  posey will provide 2-3 years at his level, but by the fifth year, he is a financial risk.

the decision was made and we have to move on from it.  there is no reason to "revisit it".  the only thing to do is figure out how to make up for the loss, whether it be rotations, strategies, or bringing in new personnnel.

the reason to revisit it is not to try and turn back the hands of time, but to continue to figure out what exactly Posey brought to the team. you can't replace it unless you know what exactly you are trying to replace.

there are certain things that TA and Powe do that can replace some elements of Posey, but IMO they still have not replaced the most important elements of what Posey did.

Re: James Posey Threads (merged)
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2008, 10:56:21 PM »

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i understand the celtics not signing re-signing posey because of the length of the contract.  i think 5 years would not have been a wise move.  posey will provide 2-3 years at his level, but by the fifth year, he is a financial risk.

the decision was made and we have to move on from it.  there is no reason to "revisit it".  the only thing to do is figure out how to make up for the loss, whether it be rotations, strategies, or bringing in new personnnel.

the reason to revisit it is not to try and turn back the hands of time, but to continue to figure out what exactly Posey brought to the team. you can't replace it unless you know what exactly you are trying to replace.

i bold fonted from my previous post.  you may have not understood that we are in agreement.

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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2008, 11:16:08 PM »

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i understand the celtics not signing re-signing posey because of the length of the contract.  i think 5 years would not have been a wise move.  posey will provide 2-3 years at his level, but by the fifth year, he is a financial risk.

the decision was made and we have to move on from it.  there is no reason to "revisit it".  the only thing to do is figure out how to make up for the loss, whether it be rotations, strategies, or bringing in new personnnel.

the reason to revisit it is not to try and turn back the hands of time, but to continue to figure out what exactly Posey brought to the team. you can't replace it unless you know what exactly you are trying to replace.

i bold fonted from my previous post.  you may have not understood that we are in agreement.

no, i understood and basically agree, but i think in order to "make up for the loss" you first need to really know ALL that you are trying to replace, and that is the reason IMO it is worthwhile to revisit the Posey situation....at least that is what i was taking from the idea of revisiting it.

Re: James Posey Threads (merged)
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2008, 12:15:23 AM »

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It wasn't just about salary cap...C's would have been over the luxury and paying 50 million for Posey for a multiyear contract and he's not getting any younger.

With that said he's a proven play and I think we should have still pulled the trigger.

I like our bench but it's not that great only up against backups in preseason.

The only dependable players off the bench are House (shooting specialist) and Powe (energy and hustle with inside scoring and rebounding) other than that we really can't expect anything from anyone else.

It's early and I'm sure we'll look a lot better in a couple weeks.

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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2008, 01:23:48 AM »

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I would like to start a TA thread when it's a reasonable hour and I'm actually awake, but for now I'll just make a quick post here.

Here's my feeling about TA, who the Cs seem to be counting on to replace a large part of Posey's role. The guy drives me crazy! I don't care how many points he scores. He can drop 50 in one game, and I'll still cringe the next time he touches the ball. He has absolutely no sense for the game, no "basketball IQ," horrible court vision, and no shot. His game is putting his head down and drving furiously toward the hoop, which I admit can be effective. However, half the time he stops short of the hoop and fires up an ugly hook shot. As for his defense, yes, he's talented on that end. His boneheaded mistakes just cancel out every positive contribution he makes, on both sides of the ball. I acknowledge that this all might sound like crazy ranting, being that this is a "james posey revisited" thread, but I just had to say it - Tony Allen drives me crazy!


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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2008, 01:44:01 AM »

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what about the rookies Walker and Giddens ?

do they look like they have the talent to make contributions to this team this year -i'm assuming they'll need game minutes in order to find their best role with this team and to gain experience at the NBA level.
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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2008, 06:18:05 AM »

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Not resigning Posey could prove to be a fatal mistake by Ainge.  I hope to be proved wrong though. Ainge played hardball with one of the best bench players in the league and lost and could possibly cost the Big 3 another ring.
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2008, 10:01:17 AM »

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idk... in posey's role i feel like he could be old and still give us quality minutes. i think we should've given him the contract over tony allen.

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« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2008, 10:34:22 AM »

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It wasn't just about salary cap...C's would have been over the luxury and paying 50 million for Posey for a multiyear contract and he's not getting any younger.

That's not true. The C's are already over the luxury tax threshold. In Posey's 4th year of contract, assuming he wouldn't be traded as an expiring, the team wouldn't need to be paying luxury tax, there's plenty of time to take care of that.

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« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2008, 11:01:54 AM »

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I'll admit, Pose has looked real good so far for the Hornets. But I'll still stick with my assessment that it was one year too many at the price he was looking for. It just might cost us a banner this year though that is no guarantee in either direction, but it might have won us two banners a bit further down the road.

The expiring deals of the GPA in consecutive years is going to give this team a ton of flexibility to upgrade it's roster during that time and Posey's deal would probably have hindered that. (...)

How? How exactly a MLE contract (and an expiring, for that matter) in the 2011/2012 season could have such an effect? Are we going to need that money in that time to sign someone who will make such a difference?

I never understood that rationale. More, I'm pretty sure that the C's will be operating over the cap till KG is gone.

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« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2008, 11:28:21 AM »

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I'll admit, Pose has looked real good so far for the Hornets. But I'll still stick with my assessment that it was one year too many at the price he was looking for. It just might cost us a banner this year though that is no guarantee in either direction, but it might have won us two banners a bit further down the road.

The expiring deals of the GPA in consecutive years is going to give this team a ton of flexibility to upgrade it's roster during that time and Posey's deal would probably have hindered that. (...)

How? How exactly a MLE contract (and an expiring, for that matter) in the 2011/2012 season could have such an effect? Are we going to need that money in that time to sign someone who will make such a difference?

I never understood that rationale. More, I'm pretty sure that the C's will be operating over the cap till KG is gone.

because its an extra 4.8 mill against the luxury tax every year, and the Celtics aren't the red sox. Wyc cant just laugh 10+ extra million a year (thanks to the tax) off.
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« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2008, 11:32:28 AM »

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I'll admit, Pose has looked real good so far for the Hornets. But I'll still stick with my assessment that it was one year too many at the price he was looking for. It just might cost us a banner this year though that is no guarantee in either direction, but it might have won us two banners a bit further down the road.

The expiring deals of the GPA in consecutive years is going to give this team a ton of flexibility to upgrade it's roster during that time and Posey's deal would probably have hindered that. (...)

How? How exactly a MLE contract (and an expiring, for that matter) in the 2011/2012 season could have such an effect? Are we going to need that money in that time to sign someone who will make such a difference?

I never understood that rationale. More, I'm pretty sure that the C's will be operating over the cap till KG is gone.

because its an extra 4.8 mill against the luxury tax every year, and the Celtics aren't the red sox. Wyc cant just laugh 10+ extra million a year (thanks to the tax) off.

Well, didn't Ainge offer a 3 year contract? All that mattered was that 4th year, everything else is a moot point.

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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2008, 11:35:43 AM »

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I'll admit, Pose has looked real good so far for the Hornets. But I'll still stick with my assessment that it was one year too many at the price he was looking for. It just might cost us a banner this year though that is no guarantee in either direction, but it might have won us two banners a bit further down the road.

The expiring deals of the GPA in consecutive years is going to give this team a ton of flexibility to upgrade it's roster during that time and Posey's deal would probably have hindered that. (...)

How? How exactly a MLE contract (and an expiring, for that matter) in the 2011/2012 season could have such an effect? Are we going to need that money in that time to sign someone who will make such a difference?

I never understood that rationale. More, I'm pretty sure that the C's will be operating over the cap till KG is gone.

because its an extra 4.8 mill against the luxury tax every year, and the Celtics aren't the red sox. Wyc cant just laugh 10+ extra million a year (thanks to the tax) off.

Well, didn't Ainge offer a 3 year contract? All that mattered was that 4th year, everything else is a moot point.

and apparently wyc didnt want to pay for 10+ when posey was 37. Its his call, and his money.

I would have loved james back, and we would have been better with him around, but i think he's quickly become the most overrated bench player of all time around here. He's very good of course, but according to some threads here, he can cure malaria with a FT attempt.

He's becoming chuck norris level cult status.
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