Laker dynasty?

[Redz]

Actually Hondo's a pretty good example of a guy who successfully bridged two championship eras with the same franchise.

I guess we'll have to see what Kobe does.   He's never going to win another title, so it won't be an issue

[CelticsWhat35]

I would say the Laker "dynasty" of the 80's was the team from '85-'88.  That group won 3 titles in 4 years.  I would call that a dynasty.  And it was largely the same group.  There were only 3 players on the '80 team that were also on the '88 team (Kareem, Magic and Cooper).  That group won 2 titles in 5 years.  That's great, but not a dynasty.

The Magic/Kareem "era" for titles was from 80-88, but I wouldn't call that whole period a dynasty.

And I wouldn't lump any championship the Lakers might win in the next few years with the dynasty at the beginning of the century.  It's a part of Kobe's "era", but not a Laker dynasty.

[nickagneta]

I would say the Laker "dynasty" of the 80's was the team from '85-'88.  That group won 3 titles in 4 years.  I would call that a dynasty.  And it was largely the same group.  There were only 3 players on the '80 team that were also on the '88 team (Kareem, Magic and Cooper).  That group won 2 titles in 5 years.  That's great, but not a dynasty.

The Magic/Kareem "era" for titles was from 80-88, but I wouldn't call that whole period a dynasty.

And I wouldn't lump any championship the Lakers might win in the next few years with the dynasty at the beginning of the century.  It's a part of Kobe's "era", but not a Laker dynasty.

I would have to respectfully disagree with you regarding the 80's Lakers' dynasty. That Lakers team also had the same coach coaching it through that whole time and lost in the Finals two years in a row as well as having Worthy Rambis on it for 7 seasons and Worthy for six. That's a lot of continuity. All told, 7 Finals appearances in 9 years with 5 wins is a dynasty in its entirety. There's no breaking that up.

I can't say I completely disagree with a Laker win now extending an already existing dynasty because both Phil Jackson and Derek Fischer left and then returned so there's very little continuity on that team other than Kobe. But if reaching the Finals for two years in between is given credit for then, I'm not so sure you can't call the whole thing the Kobe Dynasty.

[CelticsWhat35]

I would say the Laker "dynasty" of the 80's was the team from '85-'88.  That group won 3 titles in 4 years.  I would call that a dynasty.  And it was largely the same group.  There were only 3 players on the '80 team that were also on the '88 team (Kareem, Magic and Cooper).  That group won 2 titles in 5 years.  That's great, but not a dynasty.

The Magic/Kareem "era" for titles was from 80-88, but I wouldn't call that whole period a dynasty.

And I wouldn't lump any championship the Lakers might win in the next few years with the dynasty at the beginning of the century.  It's a part of Kobe's "era", but not a Laker dynasty.

I would have to respectfully disagree with you regarding the 80's Lakers' dynasty. That Lakers team also had the same coach coaching it through that whole time and lost in the Finals two years in a row as well as having Worthy Rambis on it for 7 seasons and Worthy for six. That's a lot of continuity. All told, 7 Finals appearances in 9 years with 5 wins is a dynasty in its entirety. There's no breaking that up.

I can't say I completely disagree with a Laker win now extending an already existing dynasty because both Phil Jackson and Derek Fischer left and then returned so there's very little continuity on that team other than Kobe. But if reaching the Finals for two years in between is given credit for then, I'm not so sure you can't call the whole thing the Kobe Dynasty.

I can see where you're coming from in terms of Magic's teams of the 80's.  I just always think of it more in terms of actual championships when talking "dynasty".  But I could see either way of looking at it when the same coach and same two stars were apart of that whole time period. But with Kobe's team, I just have a hard time accepting 3 years of mediocrity being included in a dynasty.

[RebusRankin]

Missing the play-offs one year and then having consecutive first round losses means you can't count the whole era as a dynasty in my opinion.

[Schupac]

Nick, you raised a good question about the dynasties...

I normally apply the logic that if the "heart" of the team stays, the players around don't matter.  So for example I think you could count the entire Magic Johnson championship era (80-88) as a dynasty.  But this lakers group, if they were for the sake of argument win the next 3 years, would be a separate dynasty because Shaq was ultimately the anchor of the old dynasty, and Kobe would be the anchor of the new one.

Note - I only apply this to Basketball.  Other sports can be very different.

[albert]

Lakers>>>>> Celtics in 09'

The Lakers looked unstoppable last night. It was insane.

What can you say now, what can you say now?

[NoraG1]

Lakers>>>>> Celtics in 09'

The Lakers looked unstoppable last night. It was insane.

What can you say now, what can you say now?

JR Giddens=Lakers fan. The things he says in here leave no doubt in my mind.

[indeedproceed]

The whole nation is about to get on the Lakers bandwagon...that is until the Celtics assert their unquestionable superiority.

[albert]

Lakers>>>>> Celtics in 09'

The Lakers looked unstoppable last night. It was insane.

What can you say now, what can you say now?

JR Giddens=Lakers fan. The things he says in here leave no doubt in my mind.

Yeah I was hoping more people would pick up on that. 

[Redz]

The Lakers are worthless and weak

[Cman]

I would love it if come June 2010 we are gearing up to watch the "Two-Time Defending NBA Champion Boston Celtics" take on the "Two-Time Defending NBA Finals Losers LA Lakers".

Now that is the kind of dynasty I like! 
 

[Redz]

Posey will keep the Lakers from making to the Finals

Have I mentioned I miss Posey lately 

[celticmaestro]

Have I mentioned I miss Posey lately 

Same.

The Lakers are worthless and weak

Brilliantly put. TP.

[Redz]

Have I mentioned I miss Posey lately 

Same.

The Lakers are worthless and weak

Brilliantly put. TP.

now drop and give me 20!