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Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2008, 04:43:39 AM »

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Denver are going to be better next season without Camby

Clippers are going to be better next season after adding Camby but nowhere near enough to justify that idiotic trade.

What's so idiotic about it? And how in the world are they going to be better without Camby? It's bad enough their perimeter defense stinks, now they have no one in the frontline to back up the perimeter gambles. Add that to the fact that they lost another decent defensive player in Najera...how will they be better? By playing Melo at the four?

And why is that trade "idiotic"? It wasn't great or anything, but Camby's deal is only for two years.

Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2008, 05:24:37 AM »

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look at it from a business point of view.

They are scraping the 8th spot in the west with camby. Plus they are luxury tax payers.

Why wouldn't they blow it up?

Still its hard to see how they will be good for a while.

Kenyon Martin and Nene's deals are cap killers and they are likely to lose JR smith

Im sure they could have got a first rounder for Camby having said that.

Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2008, 06:24:22 AM »

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The trade is idiotic for the Clippers because it locks them into that 35 win range and with Camby on board they've used up their cap space (the remaining figure is insignificant). They just wasted two years by adding Marcus Camby .... and those two years are likely to be the best performances from Baron Davis in his Clippers tenure.

Camby was the worst possible choice. That's the one they choose. Camby is a finishing touches type of acquisition, not a building block. The Clippers don't have enough talent to be a threat and they limited their ability to add talent by adding Camby.

They should have taken a chance on Josh Smith or Emeka Okafor. Both are better than Camby. Or Deng or Iggy.

Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2008, 06:49:55 AM »

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The most important big man on the Nuggets roster is Nene. Denver are going to be better next season because he's returning after missing nearly the entire season.

With Nene and K-Mart they've kept two very good defenders. Both are high quality one-on-one defenders, both play good post defense, both protect the rim, and both a good team defenders. Nene gives them a legit 6-11 260lb presence in the paint who can limit post scorers. Their interior D is going to be better without Camby.

Their perimeter defense is suspect. If Anthony Carter and Iverson are starting again next season it'll be difficult for them to improve there. They need to move both players. Carmelo Anthony on the other hand is improving as a defensive player and became their best perimeter defender (not saying much, still below par but better and close to mediocre) late last season. He's a guy who should improve more next season. Their perimeter defenders will take less chances without Camby back there which is a good thing because they're (a) awful at making that decision (b) Camby was more concerned with his box sheet than stopping the play. Their perimeter defense will still be bad but Camby's presence wasn't making much of a difference anyway.

Camby's selfish defensive ways hurt Denver consistently last season. He regularly stepped back and allowed penetration so he could come over late and attempt to block the shot, instead of getting in the way and denying the easy path to the rim in the first place. That gave up extra easy baskets and extra easy follow up buckets. He's also given up on boxing guys out and gives the opposition unnecessary extra possessions, especially considering how dominant a rebounder he can be when he's head is glued on straight. Camby is also a weak one-on-one defender who's a poor post defender. Opposing big men score on him easily and often, especially post players who have a field day with Camby.

Camby has the ability to be a defensive beast in this league but his efforts have been half-hearted (selfish too) and they've created nearly as many problems as they solved limiting his overall value as a defender.

Camby's offensive game has also become problematic. It's not that he can't do it, it's that he doesn't put in the effort to give his team anything on that end of the floor anymore. He just stands 20 feet from the rim. Last season was easily the most stagnant I've ever seen Camby offensively. He used to create problems with his activity and athleticism which meant the defense had to keep someone near him. Nowadays they just back off and leave him alone out there. He's coming off his lowest scoring year in four years (and under his career average) and his lowest FG% in 5 years (again under his career average). Things got even worse in the playoffs as he scored a pitiful 3 points a game where his lack of scoring/movement allowed the Lakers (Gasol) to send shot blockers down into the paint on all penetration limiting Camby's teammates.

Denver is going to be better than they were last season.

Now if they only started moving out Carter and Iverson .....

Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2008, 07:27:35 AM »

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If they go spend part of their MLE on say Ricky they could have a nice team this year.

Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2008, 07:36:33 AM »

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Great trade for both teams

The Clippers: have a short term solution and a valuable expiring contract after the season.


The Nuggets: obtain a year to use $10.1 million trade exception chip (Ron Artest?) and avoid 15.5 mill in luxury tax. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3491156)



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Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2008, 07:38:37 AM »

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Anyone else see the possibility of AI being bought out?


Or packaged with Nene or Martin to get the salaries back into control and in position to rebuild?  


Denver will have the worst defense in the NBA

Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2008, 07:51:27 AM »

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Anyone else see the possibility of AI being bought out?
No

Be interesting to see if they still resign him though ... I think he's already been having talks on an extension, wonder if that gets effected (it should, they should not resign him).

Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2008, 09:06:21 AM »

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The trade is idiotic for the Clippers because it locks them into that 35 win range and with Camby on board they've used up their cap space (the remaining figure is insignificant). They just wasted two years by adding Marcus Camby .... and those two years are likely to be the best performances from Baron Davis in his Clippers tenure.

Camby was the worst possible choice. That's the one they choose. Camby is a finishing touches type of acquisition, not a building block. The Clippers don't have enough talent to be a threat and they limited their ability to add talent by adding Camby.

They should have taken a chance on Josh Smith or Emeka Okafor. Both are better than Camby. Or Deng or Iggy.

There was a good chance that all of these guys resign with their respective teams and the Clips get nothing. They pick up Camby, who's a poor mans Garnett, and give up next to nothing for him. Not a championship team but none of the other free agents move them into that championship team either.

Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2008, 09:22:11 AM »

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The trade is idiotic for the Clippers because it locks them into that 35 win range and with Camby on board they've used up their cap space (the remaining figure is insignificant). They just wasted two years by adding Marcus Camby .... and those two years are likely to be the best performances from Baron Davis in his Clippers tenure.

Camby was the worst possible choice. That's the one they choose. Camby is a finishing touches type of acquisition, not a building block. The Clippers don't have enough talent to be a threat and they limited their ability to add talent by adding Camby.

They should have taken a chance on Josh Smith or Emeka Okafor. Both are better than Camby. Or Deng or Iggy.

There was a good chance that all of these guys resign with their respective teams and the Clips get nothing. They pick up Camby, who's a poor mans Garnett, and give up next to nothing for him. Not a championship team but none of the other free agents move them into that championship team either.
Then make the trade in three weeks time. The offer isn't going anywhere.

Even if it does fall off the table, who cares? They're not contending for a title and they're winning too many games to get a high lottery pick. What difference does it make? Very little.

They can always make another trade using their cap space at any time later in the offseason or during the season or next season. All those options they held ... vanished.

There was no need to jump on an offer that doesn't help you enough. That was dumb.

A Camby acquisition is much like a Corey Maggette-GSW move, only Camby is far older and has no chance of being a high end player when the Clippers get their act together. It's too early to add a player like these, they're not large enough difference makers and that's exactly what each team needed and they didn't get it.

Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2008, 09:31:13 AM »

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Wonder if they offer Kaman and Thomas for Marion at this point. 

Miami needs a center and Marion brings them the big name type they are probably looking for.   

Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2008, 09:35:12 AM »

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I wonder if Denver now uses the trade exception and a piece (Klieza) to go after Okafor.

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Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #72 on: July 16, 2008, 09:56:25 AM »

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I wonder if Denver now uses the trade exception and a piece (Klieza) to go after Okafor.

Just for clarification, the trade exception can't be combined with another player to match salaries.

In other words, if they can fit Okafor's salary into the exception ($10.1 million, apparently), they can bring him in, and send Kleiza out in a separate transaction.  They could not, however, combine the exception with Kleiza's salary to sign-and-trade Okafor for, say, $15 million.

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Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #73 on: July 16, 2008, 10:07:19 AM »

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Put aside the indefinite sucking, as opposed to coming off a championship, and we'd have a much more riveting off season of discussion here if we were ClippersBlog.  What a crazy summer they're having.  It's like a roto team.
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Re: Camby to Clips
« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2008, 10:34:20 AM »

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Anyone else see the possibility of AI being bought out?

Ya, and maybe he'll accept the veterans minimum to battle Starbury for the right to be Rondo's backup.   ::)