Possible Posey replacement...how about our old gem?...

[kgiessler]

How about no!  I want Posey back and after Posey I can think of many other players I'd rather have.

Care to name the other players?

I think Gomes would be a great fit off of our bench.  He'd fit the 3/4 role of Posey, and would bring more offensively.  Defensively, though, it isn't close, and Posey has the edge in intangibles, too.

I get the sense that Minnesota would match, though.  Their team is in decent shape salary-wise, and Gomes is one of the young "vets" that they're going to want leadership from.

I believe that was a typo of the 't, correct?

[banty19]

I'm a huge Gomes fan but it's tough to compare him to Posey. Gomes was a defensively-challenged, mid-range and in player with a decent offensive IQ. Posey is a specialist who plays solid D and knocks down open 3s.

I'd like to have Gomes back. He's a hard worker who seems to add something new to his game each summer. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the lateral quickness or length to match Posey defensively and doesn't have the range on his jumpshot yet. It wouldn't surprise me if he continues to improve in these areas.

[The Walker Wiggle]

If we are going after RFA's I say make a splash ans throw the whole 5 year MLE at Josh Childress. Maybe Atlanta matches, maybe they don't, maybe the arrange a sign and trade. I think it's worth a shot.

Gomes is just not the defender we need coming off the bench. He is mediocre on his best days and often, even on his best scoring days, is giving up more points than he scores.

Childress and Gomes are alike in my mind in a couple of ways. First, both are savvy guys that work hard on the defensive end while remaining mediocre defenders. They both lack foot-speed, and give up space or risk getting beat off the dribble by quicker forwards. Then in the post they both lack size and strength. Childress makes up for this, in part, in the passing lanes with his length; but then Gomes is the better defensive rebounder.

Both had negative defensive efficiency ratings last year. (The Hawks were over 4 points worse per 100 possessions with Childress on the court. The Timberwolves were almost 2 points worse when Gomes was on the floor.) Both allowed their opponents to shot over 50%, and if memory serves both have oPER stats above the league average.

I guess my larger point is that if you discount Gomes as a defensive liability - which I think is overly harsh - you should probably discount Childress as well, unless you're making allowances for the better offensive player. But, then another way the two are alike is that I expect both are RFA pipedreams for us. Despite often questionable management in Atlanta and in Minnesota, I can't imagine either player being pried loose with an MLE offer. For the record I love both guys, if Gomes more so then only because I'm a homer.

[celts34pats55]

i've been thinking about gomes as a posey replacement also
of course as others have said he is restricted which could pose a problem
while gomes doesnt give you the defense posey does, he makes up for it with his offense
let's not forget people that the only offensive game posey has is his ability to knock down the occasional 3, and once in a while get a basket on a give and go; other than that he has no offensive game; don't get me wrong i love him and want him back, but he's not our sixth man for his offense
so, if posey leaves, then why not look into acquiring gomes
what is very similar about the two (and reminded me of adrian griffin too) is these guys really know how to do the "little things" necessary to win, which of course is what makes them great 6th men on great teams

[Who]

I don't want Gomes back here. He's not worth the MLE and he'll be stuck on the books for years. There always will be better options available at backups for the small forward and power forward spots.

If Posey isn't on the ticket I'm very unlikely to be in favour of spending the MLE on someone. Short term contracts and see what next year's free agent crop has to offer.

I guess my larger point is that if you discount Gomes as a defensive liability - which I think is overly harsh - you should probably discount Childress as well, unless you're making allowances for the better offensive player.

Absolutely. They're both comparable in their lack of defense.

[timepiece33]

If Posey isn't on the ticket I'm very unlikely to be in favour of spending the MLE on someone. Short term contracts and see what next year's free agent crop has to offer.

We could use the MLE on a one year contract for a guy that needs to rebuild his value (Ricky Davis, aka immature punk)

OR

Split it on a Kenyon Dooling/Matt Barnes or Ruben Patterson combination (just as bad for people who hate punks) 

At the end of the day, one of the biggest issues of the current salary composition of the team is we really don't have pieces to make a midlevel trade.   

[Who]

Yep I'm fine with spending the MLE on a one year deal or splitting it on one year deals. It's the length that I'd be concerned about (in a non-Posey situation). I just meant I didn't want a four-five year MLE going to someone else. It'll be difficult to spend the MLE next year or the year after if there's already another long term contract in place.

My preference would be one year band aids to cover Posey's absence and build a respectable bench. Then try to spend the MLE next season on a true difference maker.

The reason being I'm not convinced enough on most of the other free agents to risk flexibility going forward. I am convinced on Posey, he's already proven he is that difference maker and he can be for another few years.

[Roy Hobbs]

How about no!  I want Posey back and after Posey I can think of many other players I'd rather have.

Care to name the other players?

I think Gomes would be a great fit off of our bench.  He'd fit the 3/4 role of Posey, and would bring more offensively.  Defensively, though, it isn't close, and Posey has the edge in intangibles, too.

I get the sense that Minnesota would match, though.  Their team is in decent shape salary-wise, and Gomes is one of the young "vets" that they're going to want leadership from.

I believe that was a typo of the 't, correct?

I assumed he'd rather have many players other than Gomes, but you never know.

[Bankshot]

I don't want Gomes back.  He's not a good defensive player.

[Jon]

If there was any "old gem" I would like back if Posey walks, it'd be Walter McCarty.  Now that's not really plausible given how long he's been out of the game.  But like Posey, he can guard multiple positions.  And like Posey, he had a knack for hitting timely treys. 

Those are pretty much exactly the reasons why Gomes doesn't fit here.

[nickagneta]

I don't want Gomes back here. He's not worth the MLE and he'll be stuck on the books for years. There always will be better options available at backups for the small forward and power forward spots.

If Posey isn't on the ticket I'm very unlikely to be in favour of spending the MLE on someone. Short term contracts and see what next year's free agent crop has to offer.

I guess my larger point is that if you discount Gomes as a defensive liability - which I think is overly harsh - you should probably discount Childress as well, unless you're making allowances for the better offensive player.

Absolutely. They're both comparable in their lack of defense.

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I think you are both right in that neither player is statistically a good defensive player however, I believe Childress has the advantage in having the tools to be a very good defender while Gomes does not.

Also, Childress playoff series against Boston impressed me. He played solid defense. He had a +/- for the series of only -8 which I believe significant since the starters had the following +/-

Williams -105
Smith -29
Horford -86
Johnson -73
Bibby -46

Only Pachulia had a smaller +/- stat on the Hawks for that series and that was +9

But Pachulia played only 15 MPG wheras Childress played 29.3 MPG, fifth highest on the team.

I think Gomes is a pipe dream and the Wolves will match. But the idiots in Atlanta if thrown the Smith FA situation at them simultaneously as the Childress might mess up big and let Childress go.

Then if you compare him to Posey he is a much better offensive player, as good a rebounder, can possibly be taught to be maybe not as good a defender as James then at least a good defender, and he is 25 years old not 31.

That's my pipe dream and rationale for it.

[Who]

Then if you compare him to Posey he is a much better offensive player, as good a rebounder, can possibly be taught to be maybe not as good a defender as James then at least a good defender, and he is 25 years old not 31.

Why is Childress a much better offensive player?

Childress is a very good rebounder for his position. Especially on the offensive glass, he's an excellent offensive rebounder for a wing.

[acieEarl]

I don't want Gomes back.  He's not a good defensive player.

I wouldn't call him a good defensive player but he's not that bad. Remember how bad Ray Allen was as a defender? Ray did pretty well under our defensive system. Gomes's defense wouldn't be a problem under the Celts current system. The main concern with replacing Gomes with Posey, is Gomes isn't the 3 point shooter that Posey is. Gomes can shoot but can't stretch the defense out like Posey.

I'd love to see Gomes if Poseys out the door, but Minn not going to let him walk. Give Posey 3 years, if he doesn't take it let him walk.

[Green Mountain]

Childress isn't an option until the Clippers decide to throw ridiculous money at Josh Smith. Maybe not even then. The Hawks will be desperate to mantain even the modest momentum they picked up this year.

[Chief]

In order to sign Gomes and not have Minnesota match, we will probably have to overpay him. 

With regards to Barnes, he is a defensive tweener.  An undersized PF who doesn't have the height to stand in against bigger men and doesn't have the foot speed to handle SF's.   He's also had serious turnover issues in the past.  We might as well sign Bostjan Nachbar. 

As crazy as he is, the closest thing to Posey on the open market is Ruben Patterson (vomit a little bit). 

If you are talking about Matt Barnes, he is not an undersized pf. The guy plays sf and maybe sg in a big lineup. Maybe you saw him play pf in Nellie's system, but Nellie's system does not count.