Author Topic: Owe alot of thanks to Seattle for #17- Ainge wanted Swift instead of Jefferson  (Read 27962 times)

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Offline ram

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The Chicago Gears of the NBA held the rights to Cousy, but the franchise folded before he played a game. The names of three Chicago players, Cousy, Andy Phillip, and Max Zaslofsky, were put into a hat to be drawn by three NBA teams. The New York Knicks drew Zaslofsky, the Philadelphia Warriors drew Phillip, and the Boston Celtics got Cousy by default.

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Red was livid that he didn't get Zaslofsky but he was "lucky" enough to get Cousy. Without Cousy, Macauley probably doesn't put up the numbers he needed to in order to get Ben Kerner to trade the #2 pick to the Celtics. Cousy isn't as effective without Red's fastbreak offense to run. The whole history of the Celts and the NBA is changed and on and on and on and on.

The fact remains that Danny DID draft Big Al and DID trade him for KG and DID win #17.

Anyone who has experienced professional success can look back on decisions and consider some "luck" in those decisions. Winners make mistakes (Red made many) but continue to work hard and, eventually, come out on top. Danny = WINNER.

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Instead of Al Jefferson apparantly Ainge wanted to draft skinny 7 foot Center from California Robert Swift. 

Swift, obviously has been an injured bust, but we all got very lucky that Seattle took him instead so Ainge was left with Al Jefferson who wasn't scouted much by he Celtics.

Thus, the Celtics owe alot of their #17 to Seattle.
They could have easily drafted Jefferson, traded him for Garnett, kept Ray Allen then traded the Durant pick to the Celtics for Paul Pierce and won the title.




um its really not that simple. we packaged al with a bunch of other people... who the hell do the sonics have to package for the celtics and the wolves to trade for both garnett and pierce? and who says that they would've gotten the 2nd pick in the draft anyways?

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Offline grayjonv

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Apparently Robert Swift would not practice with any team, since Ainge promised to draft him at #15.

Seattle thought Ainge knew better and selected Swift instead of Big Al.


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Who knows, maybe with Uncle Cliff and Ed Lacerte, Swift doesn't have the injuries and develops into a scary big man, just like Big Al did.... hopefully he comes aboard this summer (you almost know Danny's got him heavily on the radar, an obsession is an obsession) and he blosoms into a solid post guy... crazier things have happened with young big guys and changes of scenery - look at Jermaine O'Neal...
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Does it really matter if "luck" was an indication?  Was Chicago lucky to win championships because Portland passed on Michael Jordan?  Maybe we can say that the Lakers don't deserve their title because teams passed on Bryant?   

For all the complaints about his "so-so" performance, he somehow ended up with Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo, and Kendrick Perkins. 

He somehow ended up with a good bench when a good portion of the board where ripping him for the lack of depth in the Garnett deal.

He also didn't listen to the droves of people who wanted Paul Pierce gone.  How many idiotic trade Paul Pierce ideas were posted over the years?

All I can say is that I'm glad that Danny is the GM. 

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I think its a pretty tight parsing of Ainge to say he got lucky into Al Jefferson. What he got lucky was is evaluating Jiri so highly.

1. He trades Toine for Raef where Jiri was big reason he did it. Reaf then becomes Ratliff.

2. He doesn't trade up (presumably for Swift) because he feels Jefferson + Jiri >> Swift. (By the way astute recognition on his part to see that two guys, even when you like one more, are roughly equal and better to just take whoever falls to you.)

3. He trades Jiri to CLE for a draft pick, that he then trades to the Suns for Rondo.

4. Ratliff and Jefferson (plus others) become KG.

But what this really shows - is following a series of moves almost always leads to a poor understanding of the flow. Since once a deal is done, its a sunk cost, and then from there on the next move is independent.

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But what this really shows - is following a series of moves almost always leads to a poor understanding of the flow. Since once a deal is done, its a sunk cost, and then from there on the next move is independent.


woohoo for sunk cost fallacies making an appearance on celticsblog, a TP to you my economically minded friend
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Offline grayjonv

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Sonics retain options on Swift
By GARY WASHBURN
P-I REPORTER

The Sonics kept open their options on Robert Swift by extending a qualifying offer to the oft-injured center, which will allow the club to match any offer he may receive from another team.

Swift, 22, will be a restricted free agent this offseason, and the Sonics had until Monday to make him a $3.57 million offer or relinquish his rights.

Swift has been limited to eight games over the past two years because of two knee surgeries and has never panned out after being selected 12th overall in the 2004 NBA draft.

Sonics general manager Sam Presti said Swift is recovering nicely from knee surgery, but he likely won't play in the summer league because of his contract status.

Beginning Monday, any NBA team can make Swift a contract offer, and the Sonics have the right of first refusal.

If the Sonics decide they don't want Swift back next season, they can renounce his rights, making him an unrestricted free agent.

The drafting of 6-foot-11 DeVon Hardin from California -- he is a mere six months younger than Swift -- could make the former Bakersfield High standout expendable.

Seattle also drafted 6-9 D.J. White from Indiana to add depth to the frontcourt.

Swift has played in just 71 out of a possible 328 games in his NBA career, averaging 1.8 points, 2.3 rebounds and 0.8 blocks per game.


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If Danny still loves the kid, who is only 22, he matches the offer.
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