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Re: Nathan Jawai
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2008, 02:47:28 PM »

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More than the lack of fundamentals, I think many are overlooking his size. He'll be an undersized center in the NBA.

With the lack of big Centers in the NBA, this shouldn't much of a problem. Also, I could see him used as a big PF at times.

I agree.  Also, he has the same dimensions as Perk with better athleticism, and I have yet to see Perk get overpowered down low

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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2008, 02:53:16 PM »

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If Jawai is 6'10" then he is fine. Anything under that and forget about it. He does have a long wingspan that covers up a few inches of his height.

I've seen him finish with the off hand from watching videos so it can be that bad. He always seemed to bury his jumpers. You could tell he pushed through the floor with his feet and had a high release with plenty of rotation.

He'll probably need to advance his ball handling and passing. Then he'lkl need to learn to bang with NBA bigs and box out. If he can rebound and defend he can contribute. His offense will come later on as his fundamentals improve.

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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2008, 03:10:36 PM »

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More than the lack of fundamentals, I think many are overlooking his size. He'll be an undersized center in the NBA.

With the lack of big Centers in the NBA, this shouldn't much of a problem. Also, I could see him used as a big PF at times.

How many successful 6'8'' centers are in the NBA today? I've never seen him playing, but if the scouting reports are accurate and he lacks lateral quickness, a jump-shot, perimeter defense and has a terrible off-hand, he'll really have to develop a lot in order to be able to play in the NBA as a PF.

Isn't he 6'10''?

Well, he is listed as a 6'8'' in the NBL site and in film he looks a couple of inches shorter than Chris Anstey. If Anstey hasn't shrinked, I can't see how can he be a 6'10''.

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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2008, 03:35:14 PM »

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I've seen him finish with the off hand from watching videos so it can be that bad. He always seemed to bury his jumpers. You could tell he pushed through the floor with his feet and had a high release with plenty of rotation.


Do you have any footage of him available?

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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2008, 04:02:25 PM »

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More than the lack of fundamentals, I think many are overlooking his size. He'll be an undersized center in the NBA.

With the lack of big Centers in the NBA, this shouldn't much of a problem. Also, I could see him used as a big PF at times.



How many successful 6'8'' centers are in the NBA today? I've never seen him playing, but if the scouting reports are accurate and he lacks lateral quickness, a jump-shot, perimeter defense and has a terrible off-hand, he'll really have to develop a lot in order to be able to play in the NBA as a PF.

Isn't he 6'10''?

Well, he is listed as a 6'8'' in the NBL site and in film he looks a couple of inches shorter than Chris Anstey. If Anstey hasn't shrinked, I can't see how can he be a 6'10''.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nathan-Jawai-1404 <--- 6'10''
http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/nathanjawai.html <--- 6'10''
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19225&draftyear=2008 <--- 6'10''
http://hoopshype.com/draft.htm <--- 6'10''

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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2008, 04:09:21 PM »

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More than the lack of fundamentals, I think many are overlooking his size. He'll be an undersized center in the NBA.

With the lack of big Centers in the NBA, this shouldn't much of a problem. Also, I could see him used as a big PF at times.



How many successful 6'8'' centers are in the NBA today? I've never seen him playing, but if the scouting reports are accurate and he lacks lateral quickness, a jump-shot, perimeter defense and has a terrible off-hand, he'll really have to develop a lot in order to be able to play in the NBA as a PF.

Isn't he 6'10''?

Well, he is listed as a 6'8'' in the NBL site and in film he looks a couple of inches shorter than Chris Anstey. If Anstey hasn't shrinked, I can't see how can he be a 6'10''.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nathan-Jawai-1404 <--- 6'10''
http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/nathanjawai.html <--- 6'10''
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19225&draftyear=2008 <--- 6'10''
http://hoopshype.com/draft.htm <--- 6'10''


http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=player-profile&id=695
http://www.metric-conversions.org/length/centimeters-to-feet.htm

It's really hard to believe that his own league listed him 2 inches shorter.

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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2008, 04:43:54 PM »

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More than the lack of fundamentals, I think many are overlooking his size. He'll be an undersized center in the NBA.

With the lack of big Centers in the NBA, this shouldn't much of a problem. Also, I could see him used as a big PF at times.



How many successful 6'8'' centers are in the NBA today? I've never seen him playing, but if the scouting reports are accurate and he lacks lateral quickness, a jump-shot, perimeter defense and has a terrible off-hand, he'll really have to develop a lot in order to be able to play in the NBA as a PF.

Isn't he 6'10''?

Well, he is listed as a 6'8'' in the NBL site and in film he looks a couple of inches shorter than Chris Anstey. If Anstey hasn't shrinked, I can't see how can he be a 6'10''.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nathan-Jawai-1404 <--- 6'10''
http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/nathanjawai.html <--- 6'10''
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19225&draftyear=2008 <--- 6'10''
http://hoopshype.com/draft.htm <--- 6'10''


http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=player-profile&id=695
http://www.metric-conversions.org/length/centimeters-to-feet.htm

It's really hard to believe that his own league listed him 2 inches shorter.

Lol, true. But we can also consider that maybe they haven't measured him and updated the page recently. Maybe he has grown a couple of inches. Anyways, it's hard to imagine that a 6'8'' player would be getting ANY buzz as a center.

Re: Nathan Jawai
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2008, 08:34:32 PM »

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Yeps, we'll have to wait and see. If he's selected early, his size is legit; if he falls, probably not  :D

Re: Nathan Jawai
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2008, 08:49:21 PM »

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I hear that Nathan is basically Shaq with an Australian accent; that basically he is the next dominant big man in the NBA, the only difference from Shaq being that he says "Barbi" instead of Bar-b-q, that sort of thing. Otherwise there is no difference. I'm so excited to get this guy.

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« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2008, 08:56:45 PM »

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I hear that Nathan is basically Shaq with an Australian accent;
That makes him one of I don't know how many other guys who've been labeled the [fill in the blank] version of Shaq.  Just like there have been any number of guys labeled as "the next Jordan."  These guys never turn out to be as good as the legends they're compared to. 
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« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2008, 09:08:57 PM »

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I think nathan is 6'10 with shoes, perhaps 6'9, darnell mee is listed as 198, which is 6'6, when he was drafted he was listed as 6'5, I would guess the way the australian do it is that they measure with shoes on. using the metric system you would think it would be less prone to fuging.

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« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2008, 09:56:01 PM »

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I was being sarcastic. But I do think he might be the next dominant big man in the D League

Re: Nathan Jawai
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2008, 10:40:29 PM »

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I have a problem naming any player at all that came to the NBA with 4 years of experience in organized ball and became a legitimate contributor.


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The problem is he's about the only one. He's also 7'2. Nathan Jawai, on the other hand, isn't 7'2, so forgive me if your example can't make me instantly shake off my skepticism.

@whoever said Perk also lacked fundamentals when we drafted him: We spent about 5 seasons grooming Perk into a half-decent center. If we pick Jawai and spend 5 seasons molding him into a Leon Powe, this will be a complete waste of a draft pick for this team.
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Re: Nathan Jawai
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2008, 10:43:07 PM »

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what about Nikola Pekovic? Is this guy worth a shot?

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« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2008, 11:33:08 PM »

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what about Nikola Pekovic? Is this guy worth a shot?

I've already written extensively about Pekovic in this board, so I'll be telegraphic in style but saying as much as I can ;).

In a word: no. Not for us with the #30, or any other team with late 1st round picks, IMO.

Right now, he's the best center in the draft. Well, he's the best center outside the NBA and probably better than a dozen of NBA centers. He'd be averaging a 40/20 if he was playing in the NCAA last season. His moves are very basic: he has a jump-hook, a jump shot and he dunks. But he's incredible effective doing it. He always plays the same way: gains position, receives the ball, turns to his shoulder (either one) and fires. A typical back to the basket, physical center who loves the contact. He's strong and massive, a la Perkins. Also a bit undersized. He isn't a good passer. When he's doubled, the priority of his teammates is to offer him easy passing lanes to bail him out. He isn't able to identify the open man. Frequently, he opts to shoot anyway (his team really needs his points). Frequently, he makes them. He won't be as good facing NBA defenders, but he's playing against the best opposition possible outside the NBA and he singlehandedly lead a very weak team to an outstanding performance. He just executes well and makes contested shots. No upside, he's already peaked. He just masters that kind of game, he doesn't have the footwork or the touch to do different things. 

As a defender, it's hard to know how bad he is, as Partizan oftenly plays in a 2-3 zone or a box and 1. But he'd probably struggle in the NBA, because of his lack of quickness. OTH, he's though and can easily hold his position. He forces his opponents to play away from the basket and has the intensity and effort to contest every shot he can. 

Good rebounder, very aggressive, but a little slow to lift his feet of the floor when he gets tired and he can't make the outlet pass.

He already signed a 3 year contract with Greek powerhouse Panathinaikos. He stated that he doesn't like the NBA and that he prefers to continue playing in Europe. Next season, he'll be making more money than any rookie or sophomore in the NBA. Even in a few years, he won't leave that kind of salary to play for much less if he's picked with the #30. He can be a superstar in Europe but he wouldn't be more than a solid contributor, probably providing energy and points from the bench, for a NBA team with a scheme that fits his game (not the Warriors). So, if we pick him, it's very possible that we're never going to see him dressed in green - unless Ainge and his agent have some kind of mid-term agreement.