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Dave Cowens
« on: May 27, 2008, 12:57:18 PM »

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I cant get over watching Cowens Cheer against the Celtics. It has really been bothering me. I guess its not any different from watching Bird and Mchale do the same. I guess he does it because his paychecks have a Pistons logo on them. Maybe i am making a big deal out of nothing, does it bother anyone else?

Re: Dave Cowens
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2008, 01:00:59 PM »

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It doesn't look right, I agree.  But, that's the nature of the NBA. 

Knicks and Hawks fans probably don't think it looks right when Doc is coaching against them (although I'm convinced that he's a double-agent).

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Re: Dave Cowens
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2008, 03:55:01 PM »

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It doesn't look right, I agree.  But, that's the nature of the NBA. 

Knicks and Hawks fans probably don't think it looks right when Doc is coaching against them (although I'm convinced that he's a double-agent).

 ;D  A case could definitely be made, Mr Hobbs.

Re: Dave Cowens
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2008, 04:01:33 PM »

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even though Donny Marshall is not a coach,sometimes i feel the same about him(double agent). ;D 

Re: Dave Cowens
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2008, 04:05:43 PM »

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It is indeed the nature of the beast.  It's amazing to see this level of player become basically a journeyman coach (not all that unusual, but an odd sight still).  Do you think he'll ever get another crack at a headcoaching job?  It's been a while now.

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Re: Dave Cowens
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2008, 04:36:30 PM »

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It is indeed the nature of the beast.  It's amazing to see this level of player become basically a journeyman coach (not all that unusual, but an odd sight still).  Do you think he'll ever get another crack at a headcoaching job?  It's been a while now.

I read that he was quite content working as an assistant coach in Detroit and wasn't actively seeking a head coaching job at the moment. Makes sense.

I liked his Charlotte teams with Rice/Mason/Vlade in the mid-late 90s. They were fun. Be nice to see him get another shot when he wants it. Outside of those two years I'm not convinced he's a much of a coach though, the team fell apart needlessly the next season as he lost control of his ship. Paul Silas came in and instantly turned the team around with the type of ease that makes you wonder why Cowens failed. Then Cowens went to GSW and that was a disaster. Assistant coach is likely the better level for him. Gets to work with some great players, gets to be in the hunt for a title, Flip gives his assistants a lot of input ... an awful lot to like about that situation.

Re: Dave Cowens
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2008, 04:44:38 PM »

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I was looking up his stats on basektball reference.com (which is a pretty amazing resource by the way) and had forgotten about Cowens brief comeback with Milwaukee. 

Has there been another player coach in the NBA since Cowens did it the year before Larry arrived?

I can't think of any others in any major sport since Pete Rose.
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Re: Dave Cowens
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2008, 05:03:04 PM »

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yeah, it feels like when you see Ewing on the bench in Orlando..... it just ain't right

Or when Malone was with the Lakers for that year..... or when Hakeem was with the Raptors

Or seeing those pictures of Michael Jackson when he wasn't white :-)

Re: Dave Cowens
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2008, 06:29:25 PM »

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Not that this topic is really about loyalty -- I doubt anybody thinks less of Cowens for working for teams other than the C's - but I recently read a piece on Larry Siegfried, one of my childhood favorite Celtics that puts loyalty in perspective. 

Siegfried played college ball for Ohio State who lost to Cincinnati in the NCAA championship game circa 1960.  Subsequent to this heartbreaking loss he was drafted by the Cincinnati Royals (NBA).  Refusing to play in Cincinnati, Larry chose to play in a lesser league (the ABL).  It was actually this path that ultimately led him to the C's.  Siegfried was contemplating retirement after the ABL folded the next year.  John Havlicek, a teammate at Ohio State convinced Red to give Larry a workout.  The C's signed him and he went on to play a solid role in five championships.

If I was not technologically impaired, I'd provide a link to the story above, but I don't know how (I'm old-ish).  I believe it was Wikipedia.

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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2008, 06:44:47 PM »

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Not that this topic is really about loyalty -- I doubt anybody thinks less of Cowens for working for teams other than the C's - but I recently read a piece on Larry Siegfried, one of my childhood favorite Celtics that puts loyalty in perspective. 

Siegfried played college ball for Ohio State who lost to Cincinnati in the NCAA championship game circa 1960.  Subsequent to this heartbreaking loss he was drafted by the Cincinnati Royals (NBA).  Refusing to play in Cincinnati, Larry chose to play in a lesser league (the ABL).  It was actually this path that ultimately led him to the C's.  Siegfried was contemplating retirement after the ABL folded the next year.  John Havlicek, a teammate at Ohio State convinced Red to give Larry a workout.  The C's signed him and he went on to play a solid role in five championships.

If I was not technologically impaired, I'd provide a link to the story above, but I don't know how (I'm old-ish).  I believe it was Wikipedia.

This isn't the one you were talking about, but it was amusing!
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2005/10/07/history_lesson_from_legend/

Here's the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Siegfried
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Re: Dave Cowens
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2008, 07:43:13 PM »

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cowens is over it now, but he should have got celts job when ML hired himself and tanked the season.

can you imagine if ant-wine had cowens his rookie year, rather than the imposter carr was as a coach?

big red soured a bit on the day-to-day approach of most modern-day NBA players that cash their paycheck without putting everything into their craft (like he did).


Re: Dave Cowens
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2008, 08:52:56 PM »

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Dave Cowens - to this day - still my all time favorite Celtic.
The Four Celtic Generals:
Russell - Cowens - Bird - Garnett

The Four Celtic Lieutenants:
Cousy - Havlicek - McHale - Pierce