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9.2 + 1.4 + 1.3 = DPOY??
« on: April 25, 2008, 08:56:08 AM »

Offline Mon

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Those numbers represent KG's rebounds, steals, and blocks for the year.  Sorry to say but they don't stand out.  I love KG and recognize his influence on this team...but these might be the worst numbers in history for any award winner.

Re: 9.2 + 1.4 + 1.3 = DPOY??
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2008, 09:02:26 AM »

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Those are tangibles....how about intangibles?

Re: 9.2 + 1.4 + 1.3 = DPOY??
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2008, 09:03:13 AM »

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points against: league leading 90.3
points differential: league leading 10.3
double digit losses: league leading 3

i don't have the time to get exact numbers but i know this team lead the league in opposing fg and 3pt %'s among others.

the defensive superiority of this team is outstanding. and kevin garnett embodies that.

it was a no-brainer giving him the award, but it seems as though people such as yourself would prefer to see camby and josh smith stuff the stat sheet yet play absolutely no team defence and as a result grab the 8th seed in their respective conferences.

Re: 9.2 + 1.4 + 1.3 = DPOY??
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2008, 09:19:44 AM »

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I guess the players Garnett is guarding shooting 13% below the league average at their position means nothing.  For example, if PF around the league are shooting 50% from the field, when they match-up against KG they're shooting 37%.

I guess players don't make good denfensive moves unless they end up blocking a shot or getting a steal. I guess players like Al Jefferson who can rebound the ball can be considered good defenders, since rebounding is such a key stat for defenders.

There's a reason why Bruce Bowen is always considered.  There's a reason for why Ron Artest won it a couple of years ago, and the reasons don't show up in stat sheets.

Re: 9.2 + 1.4 + 1.3 = DPOY??
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2008, 09:37:29 AM »

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DUDE,  are you kidding me!! Garnett was the best defender on the best defensive team.  He's probably not going to the MVP so he had to get something.

Re: 9.2 + 1.4 + 1.3 = DPOY??
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2008, 09:46:06 AM »

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Not going to waste my time defending KG's defense.

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2008, 09:59:29 AM »

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with celtic on this one, not gonna waste my time. if stats are all that are important to you, then you don't get what great defense is.

theres no stats for altered shots, drive prevention, and intidation.

it stats are all that important to you, then those guys are bad defenders. bruce bowen (he's dirty but good) posey, kobe (not very high up there on steals, but let me tell you, when he's on a gaurd, its a long night) Pierce, sheed, and a ton of others.

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Re: 9.2 + 1.4 + 1.3 = DPOY??
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 10:03:16 AM »

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Those numbers represent KG's rebounds, steals, and blocks for the year.  Sorry to say but they don't stand out.  I love KG and recognize his influence on this team...but these might be the worst numbers in history for any award winner.

If you recognized his influence you wouldn't have started this thread.

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2008, 10:16:20 AM »

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Obviously you are gonna get railed for starting this thread. The best example is someone like Bowen, who is known througout the league for his incredible defense...take a look at his numbers the last three years:

2005-06- 3.9 rebs, 1 stl, .4 blk
 
2006-07- 2.7 rebs, .8 stl, .3 blk
   
2007-08- 2.9 rebs, .7 stl, .3 blk

Man, if you ask me, these numbers are much much worse than Kevin Garnett's. Throw in KG's intangibles (as have already been explained in this thread), and you will realize just how wrong you are about this assertion that he is not worthy of the award...



Re: 9.2 + 1.4 + 1.3 = DPOY??
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2008, 10:23:57 AM »

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I've got to say, I'm a little shocked by this thread.  I hate the "you have to watch the games" response, but that's the case in this instance.

One could point out that KG's stats were partially kept down by his limited number of minutes (32.8 mpg, by far his fewest since his rookie year).  They could mention that teams only averaged an absurdly low 86.6 points per game when KG was on the floor as a PF, or that he held opposing PFs to an eFG% of 42.1%, well below the league average.  KG controlled the paint, with opposing PFs only scoring 34% of their baskets inside or close to the hoop.  He limited the PFs he covered to 10.7 rebounds per 48 minutes (while pulling down 13.3/48 himself), and he only averaged a personal foul against opposing PFs once every 12 minutes.

I could point all of those things out, but they don't really matter, because the best demonstration of KG's defensive impact comes from observing him closely on the floor.  In doing so, you understand that he clearly deserved the DPOY, from his hollering out instructions to his teammates, to cutting off drives (allowing Pierce, Rondo, and Ray to be more effective on the perimeter), to boxing out on rebounds and keeping his man out of the paint.  Stats be [dang]ed; KG was the best and most influential defensive player in the league this year.

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Re: 9.2 + 1.4 + 1.3 = DPOY??
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2008, 10:24:33 AM »

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points against: league leading 90.3
points differential: league leading 10.3
double digit losses: league leading 3
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Sadly, the Pistons caught us in points against on the last day of the regular season by playing a Cleveland team that sat LeBron (so, basically a D-league team).  Too bad, I really wanted that one.

But yeah, KG is the clear DPOY - take the end of the first Houston game, for example - statistically he did very little defensively, but he obviously was a dominant defensive force.  Same deal all year.

Re: 9.2 + 1.4 + 1.3 = DPOY??
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2008, 10:25:15 AM »

Offline Yakmanev

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DUDE,  are you kidding me!! Garnett was the best defender on the best defensive team.  He's probably not going to the MVP so he had to get something.

Sadly this is probably the case. I do agree that Garnett was the best defensive player in the league this year but somehow I can't help feeling this was the voter's way of saying "Sorry were not giving you the MVP".

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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2008, 10:30:30 AM »

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pass whatever you got to the right man... KG is the real deal

Re: 9.2 + 1.4 + 1.3 = DPOY??
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2008, 10:48:04 AM »

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Those numbers represent KG's rebounds, steals, and blocks for the year.  Sorry to say but they don't stand out.  I love KG and recognize his influence on this team...but these might be the worst numbers in history for any award winner.

Remember, KG's minutes = also low

Duncan's blocks are low (for instance) because he is defending his man.  Camby's blocks are high because he does not.  Steals are often a product of gambling also.  Really the best argument for Garnett is this:  the Celtics were 18th in defense last year, #1 this year.  And not just #1.  In terms of defensive efficiency, they were not just #1, but (per 100 possessions) they were 13 points better than the 2nd rated team.  In terms of efficiency, this is one of the best defensive teams of all time.

Re: 9.2 + 1.4 + 1.3 = DPOY??
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2008, 10:51:03 AM »

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this thread is a joke, right?