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Game Threads / Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Last post by Beat LA on Today at 05:25:33 PM »
Scott Foster
Bill Kennedy
Eric Lewis

These are the refs tonight. Looks like a tied series.

So essentially this?



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Of course, as I recall, there were many a CB posters that hated the trade at the time.  I'd say it was the majority opinion actually.

Id say it was the majority opinion in the first 12 hours, but within 48 hours (at most) most fans were on board.

Then there were the diehards who needed to see ITs hip disintegrate and the pick fall to #8 before being okay with it.  I fall in that group, haha.

Haha good post. TP.

It's funny b/c I thought the trade was a slam dunk the moment I heard it. While I was ecstatic that Kyrie looked as good (or better) in green, I'm not psyched about that knee injury. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but lingering knee pain from 2015 doesn't sound great. This surgery hopefully will solve this. Hopefully. I don't think Danny will have a tough time resigning him. Kyrie will be the starting PG on a top 4 team in the league.

Danny has yet to get crushed in a trade, and the vast majority of his transactions have been good or benign. A bunch of missed draft picks, but he's been good overall since the Olynyk pick.

The Celtics and Danny are building a perennial contender, and their plan has worked out so far. From the night of the Pierce/KG trade until tonight, Danny (not Brad) has been the #1 reason they are in this situation.
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How about a 3-way (that is equally unlikely as the original proposed trade)

To PHO:     Irving ($20M)
To BOS:     Towns ($7.8M) , Chandler ($13.5M)
To Minn:    #1 Pick ($6,7M), a future pick (maybe Clippers)

Filling in around this to be sure the salaries work (throw in Nader somewhere if you want).  I don't think this is likely but I do think this is fair if the Celtics were to go in this direction (trading Irving).

Smart
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Towns

Rozier
Tatum
Morris
Chandler
Yabusele
Ojeleye

That is a pretty good team.  Maybe not as good as a team with Irving in the first year but this team is young and durable.  We would probably add some bench wings (easy enough to find).

Did I mention that this is hypothetical and I don't think the Celtics are going to trade Irving but it is more likely that they trade him for a player that can contribute immediately over a draft pick.

Why does Minnie do this deal? The ceiling with the 1 pick is probably a player about the caliber of Towns.

If the Cs did this deal, where is Theis in the lineup?
FWIW, the only reason I could see Minny doing the deal is if Jimmy Butler (who is apparently tight with Kyrie) tells them "I'm leaving unless you bring in Kyrie".   If they are at risk of losing Butler for nothing in free agency next summer, it could change the equation.  NBA stars have so much leverage... so if those two want to play together, it could be a problem.  That said, they might enjoy playing in somewhere like Los Angeles instead.  Minny is the pits.
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The Wolves are screwed. They built a team that is not good enough to compete. They have to stay committed to Wiggins/Towns (or similar young talent). Both Wiggins and Towns have weaknesses, so its going to be hard for them to get an equal return. At the same time, they are probably their best chance (along with Butler) to attract more talent.

Their best path forward is to try to find some super glue guys that will rebound/play defense, and hope that Wiggins/Towns improve.
Disagree they need to stay commited to Wiggins and Towns. Butler and Towns, absolutely but not Wiggins.

Wiggins is an awful defender. He is a below average shooter who gets his points in a ridiculous, chucker fashion. He doesn't see the floor well and is a well beliw average passer.  He needs to go. He is a net negative on the team. He is about to take 25% of the team's salary. I would trade him at the deadline next year because he has a poison pill provision on his contract that makes it nearly impossible to trade him this offseason.
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I wonder if Teague/Wiggins could get you Lowry/DeRozan.

Then I wonder if Towns could get you Drummond/Rozier/draft picks.

A Lowry/Rozier/Derozan/Butler/Drummond core would be pretty good for the next few years. They would still be young enough to develop, and they would have guys on long-term contracts.

Then, you hope a guy like Patton can develop.
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can't see the Cs having anything to do with either trade.


Suns, If Doncic is their guy they may be able to move down to #3 or #4 if they are confident that Sac and ATL will not take him.

Memphis, this pick is interesting LAC reportedly would love it but what do they offer beyond #12 and #13? I suspect that teams will be really split on how the top of this draft should go and the player available at #4 (MPJ, JJJ, Bagely, Bamba) could all be a top two prospect on different teams boards. The teams picking 5-9 could all be jockeying to get this pick and draft "their guy".
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C's have the best package established talent irving or up and coming jaylen, and thats not including tatum. Much rather jaylen than luka, no comparsion in terms of athleticism, and jaylen stats are as good as luka and luka is playing euroball!
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The Wolves are screwed. They built a team that is not good enough to compete. They have to stay committed to Wiggins/Towns (or similar young talent). Both Wiggins and Towns have weaknesses, so its going to be hard for them to get an equal return. At the same time, they are probably their best chance (along with Butler) to attract more talent.

Their best path forward is to try to find some super glue guys that will rebound/play defense, and hope that Wiggins/Towns improve.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Cavs Series Bold Predictions
« Last post by rondofan1255 on Today at 04:49:43 PM »
Smart sets a new career high tonight.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Not Officially Panicking (Yet)
« Last post by heyvik on Today at 04:48:33 PM »
I really do hate to admit this but I really think the C's will not win another game. Not that we won't come close, its just that we do not have an established Alpha BB player that can take the game over. We have GREAT parts in Tatum, Brown, Rozier and Al, but they just don't stack up to LBJ and I, we, have to admit that fact. I will be pulling for the C's tonight, but I'm not gonna expect a W. I think Tristan Thompson, is just that one player, who the C's/Brad Stevens can't quite put a box on. Whenever he's in the game, our players seem to play different.
MY PREDICTION:
I think Game 4 will go to the Cavs, game 5 will be close at home, but LBJ will be a monster with a triple double and supporting cast showing up, Game 6 will be a close game in the first quarter, but LBJ will put us away in Q2, his cast in Q3 and it will get ugly in Q4.
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