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But how can the Cavs possibly add more bad contracts? They are currently a team filled with them already. Why would the Hornets prefer the overpaid Cavs players to their own overpaid players.

It would be funny to see a deal centered around Kemba and IT/BKN pick, though. No way does Charlotte take back just IT and filler - they want high picks and prospects if they are giving up by far their most valuable piece/player.

I like Orlando as one of the most realistic possibilities  for both sides.
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Current Events / Political Discussion / Re: Government Shutdown
« Last post by Roy H. on Today at 12:13:38 PM »
So, the government is going to be shut down over DACA?
A much more valiant cause than defunding healthcare, methinks.

I’m sure that the working poor that Democrats need to win back will be thrilled to see their benefits delayed to benefit unlawful immigrants.
Yes, let's keep hold people that were brought in as minors accountable for their transgressions. That'd teach them!

They’ve had decades to correct their status.

But, if Dems want to screw American workers (and children’s health insurance) to appease unlawful immigrants, that can be the hill they die on.
You realize that DACA status does not confer immigration benefits, right?

It gives them the ability to stay here, despite having entered the country unlawfully.
That's not an immigration benefit. The fact that the government chose not to deport them doesn't give them any ability to "correct their status".

I hate to put words in people's mouths, but you'll have to explain what you mean by "take care of their status". Assuming it's not just, "Hey, we know that mom and dad brought you in when you were 2, but you're an adult now and you've had decades to go back to that country you've never lived in and whose language you may or may not speak".

Yes, they can apply to be granted the legal right to be here. If that requires them leaving before applying, so be it.

A minor inconvenience for sure.

It’s not easy, but they’re here unlawfully. Perhaps it’s heartless, but children of criminals shouldn’t automatically jump to the head of the line in front of people who did things the legal way.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Celtics plan to sign Jarell Eddie to a 10-day contract.
« Last post by gift on Today at 12:12:42 PM »
He looks pretty similar to Jabari Bird to me, which is not good for Jabari Bird.

Not saying Jarell Eddie has anything to do with Jabari Bird, but this illustrates one of the bad things about the two way contracts. Let's just say a guy like Jarell Eddie turns his 10 day contract into a full contract. He could potentially be in a better position than a guy like Jabari Bird who the Celtics are in no rush to move up given his contract allows (and encourages) him to stay in the G league.

You might see more guys decline the two way contracts in favor of being available for any team in the league to call up and try out.
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Current Events / Political Discussion / Re: Government Shutdown
« Last post by indeedproceed on Today at 12:11:19 PM »
So, the government is going to be shut down over DACA?
A much more valiant cause than defunding healthcare, methinks.

I’m sure that the working poor that Democrats need to win back will be thrilled to see their benefits delayed to benefit unlawful immigrants.
Yes, let's keep hold people that were brought in as minors accountable for their transgressions. That'd teach them!

They’ve had decades to correct their status.

But, if Dems want to screw American workers (and children’s health insurance) to appease unlawful immigrants, that can be the hill they die on.
If Republicans cared about children's health care they would have funded it months ago rather than intentionally turning it into a political football.  There is enough blame on both sides on a potential shutdown but the Republican's have no right to to say that Dems don't care about children's health insurance when it is nothing but a bargaining chip (pun intended) to them.

Yeah that's the crazy thing, the WH is framing this conflict as if they're giving the Dems what they want with CHIP, as a concession, but part of a concession is that you don't actually want it yourself.

So if EVERYONE wants to fund CHIP, CHIP isn't a concession. And the President tweeting about it muddies the water further.
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Current Events / Political Discussion / Re: Government Shutdown
« Last post by Roy H. on Today at 12:10:19 PM »
They came here unlawfully.
I'm rather curious, do you not understand that we're talking about people that were brought in as minors and did not, at any point, have a pathway to legal permanent residency or citizenship. Or are you just choosing you just ignore that fact?

We’re talking about people who are adults now who largely sat on their rights and continued to live here unlawfully.

When discussing the Federal budget, I prioritize Americans.
You can beat around the bush all you want, but there's no way to pain a human face on this. Might as well just own up the deportations of people who are not at fault.

They’re at fault.  Lesser fault, but still fault.

And sure, I’m fine deporting them. It wouldn’t be my first priority, but there should be no incentive built into the system to encourage smuggling children across the border.

Americans first.  A budget needs to prioritize our citizens and lawful residents first.
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Current Events / Political Discussion / Re: Government Shutdown
« Last post by kozlodoev on Today at 12:09:14 PM »
A minor inconvenience for sure.
I'm about ready to stop discussing things with Roy. These days, he's just decided being unapologetically facetious on just about everything. Which is a curious and rather unfortunate development for someone I've know as one of the most thoughtful posters around here for what is now more than a decade (that's all I'm going to say on this... I don't think this or any other topic should devolve into a discussion of poster X, but this has really been on my mind for a while).

Speaking of inconveniences, he does seem a lot more concerned about the inconvenience that might be caused to a Catholic nurse whose job description might require her to write contraceptive prescriptions. Funny how that works.
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Charlotte wants to dump some bad contracts and get an asset, so it will be interesting to see what type of offers are made.

The Cavs came to mind as they could move Thomas and they have a lot of contracts of varying sizes and length to match up with some of Charlotte's poor contracts.

I mean would something like Walker, Batum, Williams for Thomas, Shumpert, Frye, and Thompson be appealing to both teams.  Cavs can add in Osman, Zizic, their own 1st as necessary.  The trade saves Charlotte a ton of long term money and they get a guy in Thomas who could be the face of their franchise going forward.  Would it be different for Charlotte if Howard instead of Batum went out?

Walker would be very interesting on the Knicks, but they don't have the contracts to really acquire Walker let alone any of the other bad contracts on the Hornets. 

Denver makes a lot of sense and they do have a lot of contracts and can provide some quality players.

You realize every single time a player is rumored to be on the block you talk about how they "could make sense" on Cleveland and propose a way to get them there. You have done it with Bledsoe, Blake, Jordan, Kemba in the last few months alone. It's strange to spend so much time trying to improve the squad of one of our main rivals. What is the deal with that?

In his defense speculating on the Cavs at least yields very real results as they are always very active. I also find myself pondering what the Cavs next roster move will be. They are in a very strange spot. Not good enough to beat the Warriors, still good enough to win the east, they have multiple players under performing and are lacking in developing youth. They also are sitting on a Nets pick that can help their roster but likely not enough to get them over the Warriors. Where the Cs are not up to the Warriors level we as fans can look at Tatum and Brown's potential and the return of Hayward and justify competing next season the Cavs can only live in the moment. Making them an interesting source of trade speculation.

And yes a IT to HORNETS for Walker trade would rock the NBA and might actually make sense for both sides as long as the Cavs add a wing MKG or Batum and the Hornets can get out from under from of their $$$     
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Current Events / Political Discussion / Re: Government Shutdown
« Last post by chicagoceltic on Today at 12:05:49 PM »
So, the government is going to be shut down over DACA?
A much more valiant cause than defunding healthcare, methinks.

I’m sure that the working poor that Democrats need to win back will be thrilled to see their benefits delayed to benefit unlawful immigrants.
Yes, let's keep hold people that were brought in as minors accountable for their transgressions. That'd teach them!

They’ve had decades to correct their status.

But, if Dems want to screw American workers (and children’s health insurance) to appease unlawful immigrants, that can be the hill they die on.
If Republicans cared about children's health care they would have funded it months ago rather than intentionally turning it into a political football.  There is enough blame on both sides on a potential shutdown but the Republican's have no right to to say that Dems don't care about children's health insurance when it is nothing but a bargaining chip (pun intended) to them.
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Current Events / Political Discussion / Re: Government Shutdown
« Last post by indeedproceed on Today at 12:02:49 PM »
McConnell doesn't appear to have 50 votes from his own party for the House bill, so the impact of a filibuster is moot. The scuttled bipartisan deal reportedly had at least 56 - still not filibuster-proof but a lot closer.

Part of the issue is of course that Trump won't make his own position clear, presumably so he can exist in a superposition of taking credit for parts his base likes and blaming Congress for those they don't. Difficult for the Rs to whip their own caucus when the very base-popular President can turn on whatever they decide at the drop of a hat.

Very good point. I watched the WH Briefing, they just sidestepped the fact that McConnell can't get the votes on his own, throwing the blame at Dems. And your point about Trump fence-sitting (superposition, fantastic term I haven't heard since college physics) is well taken. Kind of part of his whole MO, 'Just win, and blame on others what you don't'.

And also I'd just like to throw a Tommy Point your way. Often your comments are anchors to sanity and a more measured and considered response to the actual topic at hand, and the times you've stopped me from probably saying something on these boards I'd regret in response to posts that are often not even remotely on topic. So, thanks.
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Current Events / Political Discussion / Re: Government Shutdown
« Last post by kozlodoev on Today at 12:02:09 PM »
They came here unlawfully.
I'm rather curious, do you not understand that we're talking about people that were brought in as minors and did not, at any point, have a pathway to legal permanent residency or citizenship. Or are you just choosing you just ignore that fact?

We’re talking about people who are adults now who largely sat on their rights and continued to live here unlawfully.

When discussing the Federal budget, I prioritize Americans.
You can beat around the bush all you want, but there's no way to pain a human face on this. Might as well just own up the deportations of people who are not at fault.
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