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It is my contention that the core of racial prejudice can be seen in how society (generally) will view the outcome of this incident.   If the shooting is deemed to be justified (and I am presuming consensus about this outcome in this hypothetical), Michael Brown will be the face of bad black teens.  He will represent confirmation in the collective mind of the majority culture (predominently white and middle class) that we need to keep a very close, wary, and suspicious eye on young black men.  In short, a stereotype will be confirmed -- if not consiously, then in our collective subconscious.   
In contrast -- and the contrast is at the crux of racial  prejudice -- if the police officer is found to be negligent (i.e., a non-justifiable shoot), he, not all white men, will be to blame.  Yes, people will condemn his actions; yes, they will want him to pay for his actions; yes, it will confirm in black communities stereotypes about white policemen.   However, I, as a white male, will not be held under greater suspision by the majority culture -- I will not be subject to mistreatment by the majority culture based on the color of my skin.

  I don't agree with this at all. If the police officer is found to be negligent, not all white men will be to blame, but all white cops will be. Also, as someone who's white and middle class, I don't think your claims of our collective mindset is overly accurate. This isn't the 70s.

Respectfully, I disagree with you.  It isn't the 1970's, but that fact doesn't mean that racial and other appearance biases are gone from humanity.  Biases vary from individual to individual, but there are trends and tendencies among groups with commom characteristics.  I don't mean to suggest that ALL white, middle-class people think exactly the same way, but am suggesting that, broadly, appearance bias is still a factor in our society. 

I acknowledged in my post that to the victimed minority, the white-cop stereotypes are confirmed by this incident.  I also intonated that this is wrong, just as stereotype confirmation of the angry black teen is wrong.  While wrong, I also stated that it's human.  Bias and prejudice  is something we do as humans -- we take bits of information and draw conclusions. It's as human as breathing.   It's not a put-down to you or to me or to anyone; just a statement about what I think to be reality.  We (including me) use biased thinking all the time at cblog-- not about race necessarily, but influenced by a host of possible variables (political ideoligy; religion; various cultural influences; individual life experiences).  To deny this, IMO, is to deny reality.   

My broader point is that the sides we take through our knee-jerk response are influenced (among other things) by race, and then are reinforced through like-minded peers and media-folk.   We can get stuck talking about who is 'right' about whether or not the police officer is negligent or righteous in his shoot -- or -- we can talk about why this incident triggers the intensity it triggers.   I agree with Nick that the shooting itself may have had nothing to do with race.  The aftermath surely does.

Racial bias influences our thinking and our world in 2014 just as it did --  though more blatantly, unabashedly, and even proudly --  in the 70's.    Raising awareness could be a positive that comes from the Michael Brown discussion, or it can be burried by hunkering down into ideological postions.
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Celtics Talk / Re: We could have had this guy
« Last post by Ogaju on Today at 05:58:20 PM »
okay lets get some perspective. He did not dribble the ball. He bounced it twice.

There may have been a double dribble, carrying, and travelling on the play.

It was pretty fast but I counted nine steps from the time he grabbed the ball. Nine steps two bounces before he takes off --- do the math folks.
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In regards to the knife wielding guy. Police arrive at 1:15.




Also, for the record, this video is a guy getting shot. It has strong language, and a guy getting shot.
The police need to have more options or  another means to protect themselves and also incapacitate a person than just a taser and gun. Something less lethal than a gun and safer than a taser and more reliable as well.

We the people pay their salaries and while I believe cops should be armed, I also think it would be a good idea for them to have a tool for putting down people in a completely non lethal way. I mean even tasers are lethal.

  Like Star Trek phasers, set to "stun"?

  I don't think you'll find much that's less lethal than a taser at the present. You'd also have to consider the fact that many people who would pause at a lethal weapon pointed at them would be emboldened by the thought that they wouldn't be risking their lives in certain situations.
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Celtics Talk / Re: We could have had this guy
« Last post by D.o.s. on Today at 05:51:37 PM »
Half the league could've had that guy, and there's still no real evidence that he'll become a rotation-level player on a good team.

That said, I rewatched that youtube clip like a dozen times this morning because I was convinced he had to have traveled.

He didn't.

  Looked more like palming to me, but I didn't watch it a dozen times.

I should clarify -- the youtube clip was pitched to me this morning as 'dude took two dribbles to go from his free throw line to the opposite hoop on a breakaway' before I watched the video.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Musings from a bored Celtics fan in August
« Last post by D.o.s. on Today at 05:48:06 PM »
Interested to hear you justify the description of Brandon Bass as a poor man's Shawn Marion.

- Can defend 3s/4s
- Mobile and explosive. People undersell Brandon's athleticism because he frequents the elbow as a shooter. He can cover a lot of ground in one leap when he's in the post.
- Strong mid-range game (Marion shoots about 15-20% of his shots between 10-16 feet. Hits about 40-45% from that area).

There are tons of reasons why Marion is a better and more versatile player than Brandon Bass. That doesn't discredit the comparison.

I don't think Marion's got a comparable mid range game to Bass (shot charts from last season below), because Bass is a much better mid-range shooter than Marion is, as well as being a more frequent shooter from inside the arc. I also tend to agree with LC: while Bass might have defended LeBron for stretches, I don't think you can extrapolate that out into 'he can defend small forwards'.

They are both athletic, that's true, but I see the David Lee (or even David West) comparison much more clearly.

For comparison:
http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/996-Shawn-Marion/season/2013-2014-REG
http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1158-Brandon-Bass/season/2013-2014-REG
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Celtics Talk / Re: We could have had this guy
« Last post by BballTim on Today at 05:43:01 PM »
Half the league could've had that guy, and there's still no real evidence that he'll become a rotation-level player on a good team.

That said, I rewatched that youtube clip like a dozen times this morning because I was convinced he had to have traveled.

He didn't.

  Looked more like palming to me, but I didn't watch it a dozen times.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Musings from a bored Celtics fan in August
« Last post by LooseCannon on Today at 05:41:49 PM »
I wouldn't call Brandon Bass a guy who can defend 3s.
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In regards to the knife wielding guy. Police arrive at 1:15.




Also, for the record, this video is a guy getting shot. It has strong language, and a guy getting shot.
The police need to have more options or  another means to protect themselves and also incapacitate a person than just a taser and gun. Something less lethal than a gun and safer than a taser and more reliable as well.

We the people pay their salaries and while I believe cops should be armed, I also think it would be a good idea for them to have a tool for putting down people in a completely non lethal way. I mean even tasers are lethal.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Musings from a bored Celtics fan in August
« Last post by TheFlex on Today at 05:18:22 PM »
Interested to hear you justify the description of Brandon Bass as a poor man's Shawn Marion.

- Can defend 3s/4s
- Mobile and explosive. People undersell Brandon's athleticism because he frequents the elbow as a shooter. He can cover a lot of ground in one leap when he's in the post.
- Strong mid-range game (Marion shoots about 15-20% of his shots between 10-16 feet. Hits about 40-45% from that area).

There are tons of reasons why Marion is a better and more versatile player than Brandon Bass. That doesn't discredit the comparison.
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I will say this: As I read more and more into this story, I see less and less any reason to think that this was a race crime in any way. I don't think Brown got shot at and eventually killed because he was black. I think he got shot at and killed because he perpetrated an assault on an officer of the law and when fleeing the officer may have inappropriately shot at Brown rather than chase him down and apprehend him.

The fact that Brown was black and Wilson is white had, IMHO, nothing to do with anything until after everything was over. Then I think the overall distrust that the majority black populace in Ferguson has for the overwhelming white majority police department came forth and now we have race riots and race protests and so forth.

This then has been fueled by a police department as a whole that has gone overboard in their handling of the situation thereafter. Conflicting reports released, important information being withheld, excessive force at demonstrations, harassment of the media. All these things have painted a picture of a police force closing ranks, and putting up the blue wall to protect one of their own when they should be treating Wilson as a possible suspect in a crime until he an internal investigation cleared him for duty or arrests him for a crime.

First thing the FPD needed to do was instantly announce that that the officer involved, Wilson, was being suspended with pay while an investigation ensues to establish what occurred and pending that investigation Wilson would either be exonerated, face internal police penalties for not following procedure in the case or possibly face charges.

I don't know if they did do this but I do know the FPD took a while to release the officer's name. But if handled properly, I think a lot of what occurred could have been prevented with a smarter application of public transparency and discourse with the public rather than the "close ranks" style the FPD used.
TP Nick -  well put
well put...tp
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