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Celtics Talk / Re: Marcus Smart RFA [Merged topics]
« Last post by Jvalin on Today at 08:10:46 PM »
Assuming Smart comes back I've got:
Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford
Smart
Baynes
Rozier

Theis
Ojeleye
Wanamaker

Morris could slot in the gap as you say but would he? Honestly I think Theis provides more to the team than Morris and Ojeleye may well have developed further than him come the playoffs.
I can't see him moving higher than 9th man in any scenario, and I don't think he's mentally equipped for that role in the same way Theis and Ojeleye would be.
The way I see it, there are plenty of scenarios where Morris ends up moving higher than 9th man.

How about if Smart re-signs on the cheap and we trade Rozier for a future pick?

How about if we play against a team with no old school bigs, hence Baynes has to adjust to a diminished role?

How about if we face an injury crisis once again?

Not to mention, Morris is probably the best Lebron stopper we have on the roster (obviously, we can only face LeBron in the Finals).
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Celtics Talk / Re: Isaiah Thomas takes veiled shot at Celtics
« Last post by ausbacker on Today at 08:09:07 PM »
IT isn’t wrong. Neither is DeRozan. “Loyalty” is a one-way Street. Players are expected to give “home town discounts”, while teams show no loyalty to players.
Players get paid what the market says they're worth at that very moment. Teams are constantly looking to upgrade which frankly, is well within their right.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Isaiah Thomas takes veiled shot at Celtics
« Last post by GreenWarrior on Today at 08:08:53 PM »
this guy was/is a turd of the highest standard.

if he didn't get injured he still wasn't worth what he was thinking he was, and this is why he's a bitter fool because he doesn't realize this. anyone else believing he was needs to stay the hell away from this team.

this isn't why he's a turd though, he's a turd for putting this on the Celtics. yes he was dealt a bad hand with the injury and his sister's death. but the Celtics weren't actively shopping him - the cavs called us.

we'll never know for certain if we would've payed him but i'd be surprised if we would have. all signs do point to ownership and danny seeing that IT led team was a dead end team going no where though.

IT's got a bad case of Dwight Howard going on.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Then it was just the 76ers
« Last post by tazzmaniac on Today at 08:08:36 PM »
Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss.  They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade. 

You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!

The Sixers went 20-3 with both Ilyasova and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They provided spacing and high IQ play, things that will be heavily missed.

Chandler isn't the best fit on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, a position that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:

34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8

Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
The Sixers had the toughest 1st half of the season which is why I predicted they'd make the playoffs if they were close to .500 after the 1st half of the season.  Their very strong end to the season was driven to a significant degree by playing weaker teams that were tanking.   

Ilyasova and Belinelli did contribute to their end of the season run but they were a lot less effective in the playoffs.  Ilyasova only shot 36% (29% in playoffs) from three for the Sixers and he plays the 4 predominantly.  Belli's shooting was a definite plus but when it got to the playoffs he only shot 34.8% from three and his defense was a huge negative. 

I'd say Chandler is a slight upgrade over Ilyasova but at worse it is a wash.  The Sixers were able to pickup Ilyasova and Belinelli as vet minimum post deadline acquisitions.  No reason to think they can't make similar pickups during this season especially if they retain their room exception. 
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Celtics Talk / Re: Marcus Smart RFA [Merged topics]
« Last post by GreenEnvy on Today at 08:06:59 PM »
Trading Morris to someone and taking no salary back is doable...
Maybe, not much cap room out there currently.

I don't think its a priority though, if it was they'd have needed to salary dump faster. I think the team will keep Morris as a depth piece given their intention to contend this year.

Not much cap room, no, but there are also a few trade exceptions he’d fit into.  Depending where the final numbers are, moving Yabusele could also be sufficient.  A 4-year, $46 million deal could start at $10.3 million.

I don’t know why people are so quick to dump Morris just to stay below the tax line, he’s the type of player that can make a difference in the playoffs. The type that can score 20 off the bench in a Finals game to steal one.

If we can stretch Nader and move Yabu to stay under the tax, that’s definitely the way to go imo. I like Yabu and he was the what, 16th pick? But he’s buried in the depth chart and is still years away at best from being a regular contributor.

He wouldn't even be in the rotation in the playoffs if everyone is healthy. And honestly I think a more impactful weapon could be found in the buyout scrap heap in April. He is in no way essential to the team and is completely replacable

I don’t think so.

Maybe not 30mpg but he would definitely get time and he’s the type that can bang a few threes, couple mid-rangers and just like that a double-digit run off the bench. He can play pretty good defense and it can’t hurt to have extra depth.

What guys have panned out for us off the buyout scrap heap? Troy Murphy? Greg Monroe? Stephon Marbury? Nopeeee.

Plus, we may not be able to be buyers come February/March if we want to stay under the tax, so what’s he point of trading Morris to get under it just to hopefully find someone as good and go over?

Other teams have found great success in the buyout market, our past failures shouldn't cloud that. For example Belinelli and Ilyasova worked out very well for Philly. Derek Fisher to the Thunder and Diaw to the Spurs are other examples.

And wasn't a certain PJ Brown a late season addition?

If you sign from the buyout pile we wouldn't be going back into the tax because that would be pointless. These guys tend to come on the vet min to chase a ring, not like the Monroe addition last year.

PJ Brown was retired. Not a buyout. And if we continually miss on that front, why get rid of a solid contributor for a chance at something we have not excelled in?

If we are trading away Morris to resign Smart, it’s to stay under the tax. Since we have to actually pay these buyout guys with real money (and often bid against other teams, potentially using a portion of our MLE to win them - like we did without DPE for Monroe), we likely would go up above the tax line, unless we dump Nader and Yabu as well.

Obviously we won’t know what it looks like until we see what Smart is getting this upcoming season, but dumping Morris for a potential buyout candidate months down the road seems like a bad idea to me. With Hayward getting eased back into his regular rotation, Morris would be very useful early.
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For Pelosi, Schumer and Brennan to be discussing Treason is insane. They are lucky they do not live in Russia.  If they talked that way about Putin they would already be dead.  Heck, if they talked that way against George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, they probably would have been hung or put before a firing squad.
[...]

I assume that ...rant... was trolling, but besides that:

Do you honestly think that Thomas Jefferson, aka the guy that rose to the Presidency with a platform opposing the Alien and Sedition Acts, would have had people put to death for speaking against him?

The answer is no.  I can't imagine living in a country where political opposition not only was illegal, but punishable by death.  It's one of the many reasons why we should oppose dictatorships like Putin's.

::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/russia-death-penalty-ruled-unconstitutional/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLJ330478

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/17/chris-wallace-grills-putin-why-do-so-many-your-political-opponents-end-dead

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::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

Yep, and I guess assassin and hitman are not capital punishment there...

It's not the same thing, guys.

They’re not, you’re right.  Capital punishment is sanctioned killing by the state.  What happens in Russia is extrajudicial killing by the state, which is even more chilling.

None of that is lost on me, I assure you, although I think that it's important to point out that these murders are not purely symptomatic of Putin and have, in fact, actually decreased during his years in office.

Well... as have the numbers of his living opponents ... so ...

Yeah, except that you're completely missing the point, so...

? I'm pretty sure mmmmm is nailing the point.

Any decrease in state sponsored attacks can most probably be explained away by the chilling effect on dissent that the original state sponsored attacks created.

What do you think the point is?

That he's turned over a new leaf?  ::)

It's like he's cut back from a pack a day smoking habit to one or two smokes a day?  That sort of thing?

Sigh.
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For Pelosi, Schumer and Brennan to be discussing Treason is insane. They are lucky they do not live in Russia.  If they talked that way about Putin they would already be dead.  Heck, if they talked that way against George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, they probably would have been hung or put before a firing squad.
[...]

I assume that ...rant... was trolling, but besides that:

Do you honestly think that Thomas Jefferson, aka the guy that rose to the Presidency with a platform opposing the Alien and Sedition Acts, would have had people put to death for speaking against him?

The answer is no.  I can't imagine living in a country where political opposition not only was illegal, but punishable by death.  It's one of the many reasons why we should oppose dictatorships like Putin's.

::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/russia-death-penalty-ruled-unconstitutional/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLJ330478

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/17/chris-wallace-grills-putin-why-do-so-many-your-political-opponents-end-dead

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::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

Yep, and I guess assassin and hitman are not capital punishment there...

It's not the same thing, guys.

They’re not, you’re right.  Capital punishment is sanctioned killing by the state.  What happens in Russia is extrajudicial killing by the state, which is even more chilling.

None of that is lost on me, I assure you, although I think that it's important to point out that these murders are not purely symptomatic of Putin and have, in fact, actually decreased during his years in office.

Well... as have the numbers of his living opponents ... so ...

Yeah, except that you're completely missing the point, so...

? I'm pretty sure mmmmm is nailing the point.

Any decrease in state sponsored attacks can most probably be explained away by the chilling effect on dissent that the original state sponsored attacks created.

What do you think the point is?

If that's the case, then as to why, after 14-18 years in office depending on as to how you view Putin's time as "Prime Minister", lol ::) ;D, do they keep happening? Do you honestly believe that the murder of political opponents in Russia, as to whether or not they happen to be members of the Duma or journalists, solely stems from Vladimir Putin?
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So, it actually went down barring a physical.

I dont think Toronro will have any leverage to flip him at the deadline.  LA teams can just wait.

But, Green was a sleep inclusion imo.  A defeveteran unit featuring Kawhi, Green, and Anunoby is pretty stout.  They can and probably should make the ECF this year.   So maybe it was worth rolling the dice.



 Excuse me they should make the finals this year? remember that team from Boston they're supposed to be pretty good.

Said the ECF, not the Finals.  Already have boston penciled in there.
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Red Sox / MLB / Re: O's have deal in place for Machado
« Last post by GreenEnvy on Today at 07:54:51 PM »
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Orioles getting Diaz, Kramer, Bannon, Pop, Valera, source tells The Athletic.

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1019721269976207360

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Machado notified. Deal is official.

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1019720029154275333

Not familiar with too many NL prospects, did they get most of their best?
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Celtics Talk / Re: Marcus Smart RFA [Merged - finalizing 4 year deal]
« Last post by The Oracle on Today at 07:53:40 PM »
Really curious as to the salary structure.  Sounds like they are considering a declining salary which would save on the tax in the future.  A flat structure at like $11.5 million per year should have some interest also as Smart plus Morris would then be able to bring back Butler as an example.  Still think incentives are an interesting possibility also.
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