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Celtics Talk / Re: The bench needs to be revamped. Suggestions?
« Last post by ThePaintedArea on Today at 06:13:47 PM »
I'm sick of watching Tatum NOT get the touches he deserves. Offense should be run through him more than it is. He should be getting at least 15 shots a game...no less. He's leading the league in 3pt % and shooting 50\50\80.

My suggestion move Tatum to the bench and let him get off on the 2nd unit. This bench just has no offense. Start Semi and let Tatum wreck havoc off the bench and then let him finish the games with the starters.
You don't have to start Semi and have Tatum come off the bench. Stevens can simply change his rotations to leave Tatum and someone like Horford in with 3 bench players and run the offense through them rather than have 5 bench players in and run the offense through Smart and Rozier.

It has been rare that Brad has had five bench players in the game together.

(It looks like you're including Smart as a bench player in this scenario, despite the fact that he's currently fourth in minutes per game.)

None of Boston's top 20 lineups (by minutes played) has had all "bench" players - and that's true whether or not you call Smart or Morris bench players.

The discussion in this thread suffers from being unclear about what players we're actually talking about.

Tatum is ready to play at this level; that's really remarkable - but he is not ready to have the offense run through him.
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When I think of Scorers I think of Kobe and Jordan..
When I think of Playmakers I think of Magic and Lebron..

Scorers Score to beat you - Play makers make plays to beat you.. Lebron is the best player in the world (current) Yes he can score but he is most dangerous because of Everything else he can do.. But in my opinion as a Scorer he is above average but not Elite (since he does not possess the clutch gene) 
This is not to say that he is not a great player - Just better as a playmaker (elite) who can score...

KI is an elite Scorer but nowhere near the playmaker that Lebron is..
lol

Somehow, this guy who is not an elite scorer is likely to wind up the third highest scoring player in the history of the game.
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When I think of Scorers I think of Kobe and Jordan..
When I think of Playmakers I think of Magic and Lebron..

Scorers Score to beat you - Play makers make plays to beat you.. Lebron is the best player in the world (current) Yes he can score but he is most dangerous because of Everything else he can do.. But in my opinion as a Scorer he is above average but not Elite (since he does not possess the clutch gene) 
This is not to say that he is not a great player - Just better as a playmaker (elite) who can score...

KI is an elite Scorer but nowhere near the playmaker that Lebron is..
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Celtics Talk / Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Last post by rollie mass on Today at 05:54:55 PM »
Semi has got time in 31 games and he can quard 1-5 not many can do that-i have seen Brad use him in 4th quarter Some guys watching from a TV set or looking at some stats. while Semi is playing for Boston Celtics and is averaging 14 minutes .
Semi has to play 1-5 and with a mixture of players.Defense is so much more than running up the floor with all the screens and switching and the timing.There has been little continuity or experience to draw from.Getting used NBA strength,speed and length and guarding multiple positions with timing and help coverage so critical.Team defense is crucial to Bostons success

Brad has praised semi's defense as almost elite.AND BRAD IS TRUTHFUL

Semi can shoot and has a history of hitting threes at high % in college and after at Hoops House and tryouts-just aren't falling yet for whatever reason

I think i trust Brad and his staff rather than some critics-Semi is a rookie sometimes guarding all stars,some times even superstars and he will be needed over the season and in the playoffs
-I think Brad is telling him to shoot and his teammates are supportive.


 
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Celtics Talk / Re: The bench needs to be revamped. Suggestions?
« Last post by Csfan1984 on Today at 05:47:31 PM »
The Celtics passed on Cousins when he was available last year.
Not necessarily. Divac said he had a better offer but ownership wanted Buddy deal
link? Its hard for me to be believe that a gm would publically say they were offered a better player then buddy but took buddy instead.

I remember Vlade saying something like this too, I interpreted it to mean that NO had previously offered a better deal then the one he took.  Maybe C84 remembers it better then I do.

What I've seen in the media (it's obv speculation but not unsubstantiated) is that Divac hurried up to close the deal  bcs he was afraid Ranadive would change his mind. The key factor was reportedly that their owner was really into Hield.
Divac was asked about it and he said they had a better deal earlier. Don't need a link it was during post trade interview
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I take Evans over smart anyday
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Celtics Talk / Re: The bench needs to be revamped. Suggestions?
« Last post by Csfan1984 on Today at 05:44:28 PM »
I'm sick of watching Tatum NOT get the touches he deserves. Offense should be run through him more than it is. He should be getting at least 15 shots a game...no less. He's leading the league in 3pt % and shooting 50\50\80.

My suggestion move Tatum to the bench and let him get off on the 2nd unit. This bench just has no offense. Start Semi and let Tatum wreck havoc off the bench and then let him finish the games with the starters.
You don't have to start Semi and have Tatum come off the bench. Stevens can simply change his rotations to leave Tatum and someone like Horford in with 3 bench players and run the offense through them rather than have 5 bench players in and run the offense through Smart and Rozier.
I agree. Rotations could be tweaked to improve things.
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I think Memphis says no to this. They're giving up the best player in the deal and the best prospect in Rabb.
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I define it as a guy who can create a good offensive shot at least half time against his defender one-on-one.
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Other argument: LeBron James is not a scorer, Jamal Crawford is a scorer.

LeBron can't kill you from everywhere on the court. His offensive repertoire is not good enough to deem him a scorer. If most of your shots are dunks and layups, you cannot be considered a scorer. Also, his primary role is to make plays for teammates, he does not have the offensive mindset to score, which is why he's deferred to inferior players in crunch time.

So, is it you or your friends that have never seen Lebron play? ;)

LOL definitely my friends/co-workers. I've seen LeBron trounce this team too often to not consider him a scorer.

I'm on the fence with someone like Crawford being a scorer though. It's kinda like the distinction we make with "Players who can shoot" and "Shooters". I think Crawford is "someone that can score" but I don't know if I'd call him a "scorer".
Crawford is a scorer. He can score from anywhere and has the handle and speed to create space to get his shot off. You can be a chucker and still be a scorer. Just look at Allen Iverson to see that.

This is where I get iffy. I feel like a big part of scoring is efficiency. Anybody can put the ball into the hoop, but being able to do the same thing over and over is an important part of scoring imo. Someone like Crawford can make some difficult contested off-balance shots, but those simply aren't reliable.

Like any body "can pass" but there are only a handful of "passers" in the league. I think the same can go for scorers.

There are plenty of NBA players that really can't put the ball in the hoop against NBA levels defense, no matter how many opportunities you give them.
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