If I have a 21 year old who has already shown flashes of skill and has clear potential tog et better...and a 19 year old who's shown no signs of skill and you just have to HOPE he can develop some...then I'm going to take the 21 year old every time.
Young has obviously shown skill. And you would've missed out on some great NBA players.
Can you make me a list of some players who put up first year stats similar to James Young, looked no better in their second year, and then went on to become great players?
I'm talking recent times here, like past 10-15 years.
You might be right and there might be a stack of them, but I can't think of any.
From what I can see the only thing Young is especially good at is shooting, but even as a shooter he's not spectacular - just good. It's not like he's Ray Allen 2.0 or anything.
Sure. "Great" is a loaded word, but here are some guys who stunk/couldn't get off the bench in year one, didn't do much better in year 2, and then became valuable players that most C's fans would want/have wanted on the team. Also, I will list first the player's age as a rookie. Keep in mind Young was 19, and will be younger than most or all of the players listed.
Kyle Lowry (20) -- Barely played his rookie year (10 games), and shot under 37% from the field. Year 2-3 he shot 25% from 3. Year 4 he improved to 27%. Since that time he's improved to a good shooter, and has upped his career average to 35%, and even made an All-Star game. His passing stats were always decent, but as Young doesn't compare since he's not a point guard, that's not fair. His shooting improved from bad to very good, beginning in year 5.
Arron Afflalo (22) - He shot 20% from 3 his rookie year, in way more playing time than Young had. He improved his 3-point shooting in year 2 to 40%, but saw his PER tumble from 10.2 to 8.9. (Young's PER last year was 8.7). He's since turned into a valuable wing, albeit not a star.
Jeff Teague (21) - Ddin't get much playing time and struggled during his rookie year. Under 41% from the field, and 22% from 3. Took his step forward in season 2.
DeMarre Carroll (23) - Stunk his first three years in the league, with poor shooting percentages, little playing time, and PERs of 8.5, 8.7, and 11.0, respectively.
John Wall (20) - Just looking at shooting stats, he was not good. eFG% of under .43 each of two years -- managed to go 3-42 from 3 his second year. PER okay because he did other point-guardy things Young isn't asked to do.
Anyway, there's a few, from the 2006-2011 drafts. I'm sure there are more -- just aimed for guards/wings like Young.
John Wall averaged 15 / 7 / 4 with 1.8 steals Per 36 (and that's rounding down) in his rookie year and showcased elite athletic ability - he was never a guy who struggled to earn playing time. His potential was obvious from the start, regardless of his shooting ability.
Kyle Lowry and Jeff Teague struggled to get playing time and put up pretty mediocre Per-36 numbers offensively, but both showed signs of being multi dimensional players. Both guys were skilled passers and ball handlers, as well as being solid defenders and rebounders. When a guy shows that type of versatility, I'd give them a second chance too.
Afflalo and Carroll are closer comparisons, and neither of those guys is even close to being a great player. Even in those cases, both Carroll and Afflalo were known as being solid defensive players (which James Young is NOT known for) and good defenders tend to always find a place on teams.
Young only played 31 games last year (couldn't even get on the court aside from garbage time), and in those games he averaged 11 points, 5 rebounds and 1.4 assists per 36 while shooting 35% / 26% / 55% and his defense was horrible.
I know it's not an especially popular opinion, but I just don't think that Young will even be much better than E'Twaun Moore, in all honesty.
I'm going to cop a lot of flak for this, but I honestly don't see Young being any better "right now" than Fab Melo was in his rookie year. The difference is that at least Fab Melo had some elite attributes (size, shot blocking) and may have had some hope of carving a niche as a pure role player...wheras Young hasn't really got anything.
His shooting is really NOT good enough to the point where he can get by as a role player based purely on his shooting ability. For you be a guy who can do nothing but shoot, and still get minutes, you need to be a Kyle Kover / JJ Reddick / Steve Kerr caliber shooter. Young is more of an Mikeal Pietrus caliber shooter.
I mean, if you have your conclusion ahead of time, why ask?
Of course John Wall didn't struggle to get playing time -- the Wizards were God-awful and he was the number 1 pick. But he couldn't shoot a lick, as his eFG% was lower than Young's -- again, he went 3-42 from 3. That's simply terrible, and I can't imagine this board if he were a Celtic. He made Rondo look like Ray Allen.
Same was true with Lowry -- not at all a capable shooter. Apparently he doesn't count because he barely played, whereas Young's lack of playing time deems him unsalvageable. Sure, he and Wall and Teague got to get assists, because they were PG instead of a wing like Young, but I said I was looking at shooting. These were perimeter players who couldn't shoot (you're the one who defined Young as a shooter), and are now guards who are either passable to a downright weapon when scoring.
Also, I on purpose only looked at guards picked in the first round, not bigs, or 2nd-round/undradted types, because a) it would be unfair to compare a guard to a center in terms of development, and b) I was trying to avoid some player who overachieved. I only looked at a couple of years, and it was a quick search at 1 am.
Age is a really important factor, and all of these players were older than Young. Some several years older. But again, if you want to believe that Young is the worst player ever, why ask for examples? It's a waste of discussion. So just start off the bat and say that he's the worst thing ever and no one will convince you otherwise. It would have saved me 20 minutes.