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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: slightly biased bias fan on August 08, 2018, 11:38:51 PM
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Sir Charles via NBA TV:
“It’s going to be interesting watching that team play because people just assume they’re getting two All Stars back like it’s all going to all fit together,” Barkley said. “Let me tell you something, I saw Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum play. They’re not going to sit around and watch Kyrie (Irving) and Gordon Hayward shoot the ball every time. Those two young kids are terrific. Anybody that thinks ‘hey Kyrie and Gordon, you just shoot all the shots and we’ll just stand around.’ That to me is going to be very fun to watch.”
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The Celtics do not clown around. Entertaining team? Go watch the Lakers, they have a lot of hollywood entertainment in that team. Rondo. Lance. LeBron. Javale. The Ball Family.
The Celtics will be out there balling and doing work.
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Sir Charles via NBA TV:
“It’s going to be interesting watching that team play because people just assume they’re getting two All Stars back like it’s all going to all fit together,” Barkley said. “Let me tell you something, I saw Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum play. They’re not going to sit around and watch Kyrie (Irving) and Gordon Hayward shoot the ball every time. Those two young kids are terrific. Anybody that thinks ‘hey Kyrie and Gordon, you just shoot all the shots and we’ll just stand around.’ That to me is going to be very fun to watch.”
I like how on a team like GSW, with 2 guys who shoot considerably more than everyone not named Kyrie, this isn't even considered a problem. But for a team Sir Charles hates, it is.
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Sir Charles via NBA TV:
“It’s going to be interesting watching that team play because people just assume they’re getting two All Stars back like it’s all going to all fit together,” Barkley said. “Let me tell you something, I saw Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum play. They’re not going to sit around and watch Kyrie (Irving) and Gordon Hayward shoot the ball every time. Those two young kids are terrific. Anybody that thinks ‘hey Kyrie and Gordon, you just shoot all the shots and we’ll just stand around.’ That to me is going to be very fun to watch.”
I like how on a team like GSW, with 2 guys who shoot considerably more than everyone not named Kyrie, this isn't even considered a problem. But for a team Sir Charles hates, it is.
Probably worth noting that Golden State has proven it won't be a problem, while we have yet do so.
That said, I can't really imagine a better host of player personalities. Horford and Hayward are built as well as anyone for these roles. Both can score from any level and are good passers for their positions. Both can stretch the floor play off ball. Both are willing to blend into an offense rather than be a focal point. If they didn't have the character they do, I'd be a little worried, but I'm supremely confident that the unselfishness of those two guys will play a huge role in the teams success. It will allow Tatum and Brown's roles to expand at whatever pace fits suits them.
If Hayward or Horford need to pick up a greater load? no problem. If Tatum or Brown make another leap toward go-to scorer status, Hayward and Horford will mold their games to suit that.
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another hate-filled take by Barkley. Perhaps he should just own up and share why he hates the Celtics.
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I laughed at this notion when I heard it, as if it’s bad to have too many options. I don’t care what he says, it’s a great problem to have.
These aren’t ballhogs, they all work within the system and take the right shot, that’s what Brad is always preaching. They will still swing the ball, they will attack then they have the matchup.
I’m sure he loves GSW adding Cousins, though.
He’s a tool that can’t handle Celtics are legit.
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I laughed at this notion when I heard it, as if it’s bad to have too many options. I don’t care what he says, it’s a great problem to have.
These aren’t ballhogs, they all work within the system and take the right shot, that’s what Brad is always preaching. They will still swing the ball, they will attack then they have the matchup.
I’m sure he loves GSW adding Cousins, though.
He’s a tool that can’t handle Celtics are legit.
there are alot of TV media the same Celtics hate ..Rose for one
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Sir Charles via NBA TV:
“It’s going to be interesting watching that team play because people just assume they’re getting two All Stars back like it’s all going to all fit together,” Barkley said. “Let me tell you something, I saw Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum play. They’re not going to sit around and watch Kyrie (Irving) and Gordon Hayward shoot the ball every time. Those two young kids are terrific. Anybody that thinks ‘hey Kyrie and Gordon, you just shoot all the shots and we’ll just stand around.’ That to me is going to be very fun to watch.”
I like how on a team like GSW, with 2 guys who shoot considerably more than everyone not named Kyrie, this isn't even considered a problem. But for a team Sir Charles hates, it is.
Probably worth noting that Golden State has proven it won't be a problem, while we have yet do so.
That said, I can't really imagine a better host of player personalities. Horford and Hayward are built as well as anyone for these roles. Both can score from any level and are good passers for their positions. Both can stretch the floor play off ball. Both are willing to blend into an offense rather than be a focal point. If they didn't have the character they do, I'd be a little worried, but I'm supremely confident that the unselfishness of those two guys will play a huge role in the teams success. It will allow Tatum and Brown's roles to expand at whatever pace fits suits them.
If Hayward or Horford need to pick up a greater load? no problem. If Tatum or Brown make another leap toward go-to scorer status, Hayward and Horford will mold their games to suit that.
And I think Kyrie is underrated as someone who can play off ball, has learned how to pick his spots, and is fine sitting back and letting others get theirs.
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Sir Charles via NBA TV:
“It’s going to be interesting watching that team play because people just assume they’re getting two All Stars back like it’s all going to all fit together,” Barkley said. “Let me tell you something, I saw Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum play. They’re not going to sit around and watch Kyrie (Irving) and Gordon Hayward shoot the ball every time. Those two young kids are terrific. Anybody that thinks ‘hey Kyrie and Gordon, you just shoot all the shots and we’ll just stand around.’ That to me is going to be very fun to watch.”
I like how on a team like GSW, with 2 guys who shoot considerably more than everyone not named Kyrie, this isn't even considered a problem. But for a team Sir Charles hates, it is.
Probably worth noting that Golden State has proven it won't be a problem, while we have yet do so.
That said, I can't really imagine a better host of player personalities. Horford and Hayward are built as well as anyone for these roles. Both can score from any level and are good passers for their positions. Both can stretch the floor play off ball. Both are willing to blend into an offense rather than be a focal point. If they didn't have the character they do, I'd be a little worried, but I'm supremely confident that the unselfishness of those two guys will play a huge role in the teams success. It will allow Tatum and Brown's roles to expand at whatever pace fits suits them.
If Hayward or Horford need to pick up a greater load? no problem. If Tatum or Brown make another leap toward go-to scorer status, Hayward and Horford will mold their games to suit that.
And I think Kyrie is underrated as someone who can play off ball, has learned how to pick his spots, and is fine sitting back and letting others get theirs.
He did play off LeBron for quite some time, so I think he'd be perfectly okay with it under a much better coach in a more functioning offence
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I laughed at this notion when I heard it, as if it’s bad to have too many options. I don’t care what he says, it’s a great problem to have.
These aren’t ballhogs, they all work within the system and take the right shot, that’s what Brad is always preaching. They will still swing the ball, they will attack then they have the matchup.
I’m sure he loves GSW adding Cousins, though.
He’s a tool that can’t handle Celtics are legit.
there are alot of TV media the same Celtics hate ..Rose for one
agreed - Barkley and Rose are probably the 2 most blatant Celtics Haters on national broadcasts that were former players. Haven't figured out if Mark Jackson is at that same level or his 'hate' is mixed with just general stupidity/lack of any knowledge of the C's.
SAS is the worst non-player as far as having a larger audience to pontificate his Lebron/Laker love and disdain for the C's.
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Whole lot of defensiveness on here. Barkley's quote is perfectly reasonable. To assume everything is going to be plug and play is not realistic. Money and ego are involved.
Barkley may be a Celtics hater but he said this in July.
“The Boston Celtics are the team to beat in the Eastern Conference for the next 10 years,” Barkley said Sunday on NBA TV.
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I laughed at this notion when I heard it, as if it’s bad to have too many options. I don’t care what he says, it’s a great problem to have.
These aren’t ballhogs, they all work within the system and take the right shot, that’s what Brad is always preaching. They will still swing the ball, they will attack then they have the matchup.
I’m sure he loves GSW adding Cousins, though.
He’s a tool that can’t handle Celtics are legit.
there are alot of TV media the same Celtics hate ..Rose for one
agreed - Barkley and Rose are probably the 2 most blatant Celtics Haters on national broadcasts that were former players. Haven't figured out if Mark Jackson is at that same level or his 'hate' is mixed with just general stupidity/lack of any knowledge of the C's.
SAS is the worst non-player as far as having a larger audience to pontificate his Lebron/Laker love and disdain for the C's.
I can understand Stephen A.'s hate for the Celtics. He is a lifelong Knicks fan who grew up in Queens.
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I know it is Charles and he isn't exactly well received around these parts, but I don't think he said anything unreasonable in that quote and was quite complimentary of both Brown and Tatum.
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I have to say, the only hate I read, is coming from the posters towards Barkley. I honestly don't understand why everyone assumes Barkley is hating on the Celtics based off that statement. Yes, Brown and Tatum played with Kyrie for most of the regular season. However, they also stepped up their games once Kyrie went down. Both Brown and Tatum are expected to step up even further based off of their experience, and we even have a separate thread debating on whether they will make the All-Star team this season. And let's not forget, Gordon Hayward signed a max deal and only played 5 minutes in his first season on the team. Most guys who sign max deals, try to go out of their way to try to prove that their worth the contract, especially on a new team. Well, Hayward has that on top of also trying to come back from a serious leg injury. Before I forget, Kyrie and Al have opt out clauses and could become unrestricted free agents at the end of the season, so they will be playing for their next contracts. Having said that, I do believe Kyrie, Gordon, Jaylen, Jayson, and Al are a perfect mix of elite and unselfish talent. I do agree with Barkley that it will be interesting and entertaining to see it play out.
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another hate-filled take by Barkley. Perhaps he should just own up and share why he hates the Celtics.
Barkely can spew all the negative comments about the C's he wants. At every corner the C's have proved him wrong. The only thing that scares me is when Barkely talks positively about the team. Then I know they are screwed when he is on the band wagon. Please keep hating Barkley. The C's have made you look really bad every time you have opened your mouth and talked poorly about them.
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Nothing wrong with what Barkley said. I have concerns as well. If you think about it, it's theoretically a 5 man all-star team. When KD joined the Warriors, Steph and Klay took a back seat and KD became the "feature." The way I envision that the team will settle into is Kyrie being more of a facilitator/resting for 3 quarters and carrying the team in the 4th. If you guys recall last season, Kyrie was an absolute monster in the final 5 minutes. If we were anywhere within 5 points, we were going to win. Maybe with proper minutes allocation, we can extend that to 8-12 minutes. That way Kyrie is happy because he's the "hero" and Hayward, Tatum and Brown get their touches. Horford will low-key be the most important player as usual with 0 praise required. Gotta love people like him.
Whatever the case, I trust Brad. If he can turn last year's depleted team into 1 game away from the Finals, I'm sure he can figure out a way to make the full gang co-exist. He is just a natural leader and strategist. When in doubt, just relax and let Brad do his job.
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That said, I can't really imagine a better host of player personalities. Horford and Hayward are built as well as anyone for these roles. Both can score from any level and are good passers for their positions. Both can stretch the floor play off ball. Both are willing to blend into an offense rather than be a focal point. If they didn't have the character they do, I'd be a little worried, but I'm supremely confident that the unselfishness of those two guys will play a huge role in the teams success. It will allow Tatum and Brown's roles to expand at whatever pace fits suits them.
I'm pretty sure Al Horford isn't going to take a shot this season. He'll just set picks, pass the ball and play defense. Problem solved.
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Who cares what Charles Barkley thinks. He's a chump. Makeup wearin, churro eatin bum. Man was a spokesperson for Jenny Craig and he's still fat. Man said God wanted him to win the 93 Finals and they still lost.
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Gotta agree with a few others, I don't see what he said was a diss at the Celtics. Last year we were all excited to see how the tean would gel with so many new faces. This year it should be exciting how things blend again with Hayward coming back and and the progress of the Jays.
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Meh, Chuck isn't wrong here. One of the reasons it's going to be tougher to decide on Kyrie than most people think. I'm sure they'll give it a shot this year but Kyrie needs a ton of shots and touches. Be interesting to see how the chemistry comes together..
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Sir Charles via NBA TV:
“It’s going to be interesting watching that team play because people just assume they’re getting two All Stars back like it’s all going to all fit together,” Barkley said. “Let me tell you something, I saw Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum play. They’re not going to sit around and watch Kyrie (Irving) and Gordon Hayward shoot the ball every time. Those two young kids are terrific. Anybody that thinks ‘hey Kyrie and Gordon, you just shoot all the shots and we’ll just stand around.’ That to me is going to be very fun to watch.”
I like how on a team like GSW, with 2 guys who shoot considerably more than everyone not named Kyrie, this isn't even considered a problem. But for a team Sir Charles hates, it is.
Probably worth noting that Golden State has proven it won't be a problem, while we have yet do so.
That said, I can't really imagine a better host of player personalities. Horford and Hayward are built as well as anyone for these roles. Both can score from any level and are good passers for their positions. Both can stretch the floor play off ball. Both are willing to blend into an offense rather than be a focal point. If they didn't have the character they do, I'd be a little worried, but I'm supremely confident that the unselfishness of those two guys will play a huge role in the teams success. It will allow Tatum and Brown's roles to expand at whatever pace fits suits them.
If Hayward or Horford need to pick up a greater load? no problem. If Tatum or Brown make another leap toward go-to scorer status, Hayward and Horford will mold their games to suit that.
And I think Kyrie is underrated as someone who can play off ball, has learned how to pick his spots, and is fine sitting back and letting others get theirs.
He did play off LeBron for quite some time, so I think he'd be perfectly okay with it under a much better coach in a more functioning offence
Right, and I don't think Kyrie's problem with Lebron was necessarily that Kyrie wasn't getting his touches, I think it had more to do with the circus that Lebron brought with him, the shadow that cast, and Lebron not being willing to see Kyrie as an equal.
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Sir Charles via NBA TV:
“It’s going to be interesting watching that team play because people just assume they’re getting two All Stars back like it’s all going to all fit together,” Barkley said. “Let me tell you something, I saw Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum play. They’re not going to sit around and watch Kyrie (Irving) and Gordon Hayward shoot the ball every time. Those two young kids are terrific. Anybody that thinks ‘hey Kyrie and Gordon, you just shoot all the shots and we’ll just stand around.’ That to me is going to be very fun to watch.”
I like how on a team like GSW, with 2 guys who shoot considerably more than everyone not named Kyrie, this isn't even considered a problem. But for a team Sir Charles hates, it is.
Probably worth noting that Golden State has proven it won't be a problem, while we have yet do so.
That said, I can't really imagine a better host of player personalities. Horford and Hayward are built as well as anyone for these roles. Both can score from any level and are good passers for their positions. Both can stretch the floor play off ball. Both are willing to blend into an offense rather than be a focal point. If they didn't have the character they do, I'd be a little worried, but I'm supremely confident that the unselfishness of those two guys will play a huge role in the teams success. It will allow Tatum and Brown's roles to expand at whatever pace fits suits them.
If Hayward or Horford need to pick up a greater load? no problem. If Tatum or Brown make another leap toward go-to scorer status, Hayward and Horford will mold their games to suit that.
And I think Kyrie is underrated as someone who can play off ball, has learned how to pick his spots, and is fine sitting back and letting others get theirs.
He did play off LeBron for quite some time, so I think he'd be perfectly okay with it under a much better coach in a more functioning offence
Right, and I don't think Kyrie's problem with Lebron was necessarily that Kyrie wasn't getting his touches, I think it had more to do with the circus that Lebron brought with him, the shadow that cast, and Lebron not being willing to see Kyrie as an equal.
Kyrie had a usage rate of 31% last year. For what ever reason he wanted out of Cleveland, he demands a lot of touches and shots. Hayward was at 28% his last year in UT. Tatum and Brown were at 23% and 25% in the playoffs last year, respectively.
Someone is going to have to sacrifice some touches and shots here. I can see Chuck's point..
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Sir Charles via NBA TV:
“It’s going to be interesting watching that team play because people just assume they’re getting two All Stars back like it’s all going to all fit together,” Barkley said. “Let me tell you something, I saw Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum play. They’re not going to sit around and watch Kyrie (Irving) and Gordon Hayward shoot the ball every time. Those two young kids are terrific. Anybody that thinks ‘hey Kyrie and Gordon, you just shoot all the shots and we’ll just stand around.’ That to me is going to be very fun to watch.”
I like how on a team like GSW, with 2 guys who shoot considerably more than everyone not named Kyrie, this isn't even considered a problem. But for a team Sir Charles hates, it is.
Probably worth noting that Golden State has proven it won't be a problem, while we have yet do so.
That said, I can't really imagine a better host of player personalities. Horford and Hayward are built as well as anyone for these roles. Both can score from any level and are good passers for their positions. Both can stretch the floor play off ball. Both are willing to blend into an offense rather than be a focal point. If they didn't have the character they do, I'd be a little worried, but I'm supremely confident that the unselfishness of those two guys will play a huge role in the teams success. It will allow Tatum and Brown's roles to expand at whatever pace fits suits them.
If Hayward or Horford need to pick up a greater load? no problem. If Tatum or Brown make another leap toward go-to scorer status, Hayward and Horford will mold their games to suit that.
And I think Kyrie is underrated as someone who can play off ball, has learned how to pick his spots, and is fine sitting back and letting others get theirs.
He did play off LeBron for quite some time, so I think he'd be perfectly okay with it under a much better coach in a more functioning offence
Right, and I don't think Kyrie's problem with Lebron was necessarily that Kyrie wasn't getting his touches, I think it had more to do with the circus that Lebron brought with him, the shadow that cast, and Lebron not being willing to see Kyrie as an equal.
Kyrie had a usage rate of 31% last year. For what ever reason he wanted out of Cleveland, he demands a lot of touches and shots. Hayward was at 28% his last year in UT. Tatum and Brown were at 23% and 25% in the playoffs last year, respectively.
Someone is going to have to sacrifice some touches and shots here. I can see Chuck's point..
If Golden State can manage 31, 30.4, 23.7 and 21.7 then I think we can (hopefully) emulate something like that. Obviously I doubt GH averages a usage rate of 30+, considering his playmaking nature and him getting back into things.
But it's definitely doable
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I have to say, the only hate I read, is coming from the posters towards Barkley. I honestly don't understand why everyone assumes Barkley is hating on the Celtics based off that statement. Yes, Brown and Tatum played with Kyrie for most of the regular season. However, they also stepped up their games once Kyrie went down. Both Brown and Tatum are expected to step up even further based off of their experience, and we even have a separate thread debating on whether they will make the All-Star team this season. And let's not forget, Gordon Hayward signed a max deal and only played 5 minutes in his first season on the team. Most guys who sign max deals, try to go out of their way to try to prove that their worth the contract, especially on a new team. Well, Hayward has that on top of also trying to come back from a serious leg injury. Before I forget, Kyrie and Al have opt out clauses and could become unrestricted free agents at the end of the season, so they will be playing for their next contracts. Having said that, I do believe Kyrie, Gordon, Jaylen, Jayson, and Al are a perfect mix of elite and unselfish talent. I do agree with Barkley that it will be interesting and entertaining to see it play out.
This. Green goggles not only change the color of everything you see, it sometimes distorts the picture as well ....
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Sir Charles via NBA TV:
“It’s going to be interesting watching that team play because people just assume they’re getting two All Stars back like it’s all going to all fit together,” Barkley said. “Let me tell you something, I saw Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum play. They’re not going to sit around and watch Kyrie (Irving) and Gordon Hayward shoot the ball every time. Those two young kids are terrific. Anybody that thinks ‘hey Kyrie and Gordon, you just shoot all the shots and we’ll just stand around.’ That to me is going to be very fun to watch.”
I think his insinuation is valid. But then again there is nothing wrong with letting Tatum or Brown play with the second unit at times. In my book, it's a nice problem to have.
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Gotta agree with a few others, I don't see what he said was a diss at the Celtics. Last year we were all excited to see how the tean would gel with so many new faces. This year it should be exciting how things blend again with Hayward coming back and and the progress of the Jays.
That is because Charles, as he is prone to do, made an ambiguous statement. He was intentionally vague so that he can claim omniscience regardless of the outcome of the Boston Celtics' season.
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Who cares what Charles Barkley thinks. He's a chump. Makeup wearin, churro eatin bum. Man was a spokesperson for Jenny Craig and he's still fat. Man said God wanted him to win the 93 Finals and they still lost.
When did he kick your dog?
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Who cares what Charles Barkley thinks. He's a chump. Makeup wearin, churro eatin bum. Man was a spokesperson for Jenny Craig and he's still fat. Man said God wanted him to win the 93 Finals and they still lost.
When did he kick your dog?
And when did Mr. Pemulis get a dog?!
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When did he kick your dog?
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Haha. Uh, Novermber 9th, 1984. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2261569-we-remember-30th-anniversary-of-julius-erving-and-larry-birds-fight
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I think Chuck will be entertaining...and full of himself.
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Sir Charles via NBA TV:
“It’s going to be interesting watching that team play because people just assume they’re getting two All Stars back like it’s all going to all fit together,” Barkley said. “Let me tell you something, I saw Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum play. They’re not going to sit around and watch Kyrie (Irving) and Gordon Hayward shoot the ball every time. Those two young kids are terrific. Anybody that thinks ‘hey Kyrie and Gordon, you just shoot all the shots and we’ll just stand around.’ That to me is going to be very fun to watch.”
I like how on a team like GSW, with 2 guys who shoot considerably more than everyone not named Kyrie, this isn't even considered a problem. But for a team Sir Charles hates, it is.
Probably worth noting that Golden State has proven it won't be a problem, while we have yet do so.
That said, I can't really imagine a better host of player personalities. Horford and Hayward are built as well as anyone for these roles. Both can score from any level and are good passers for their positions. Both can stretch the floor play off ball. Both are willing to blend into an offense rather than be a focal point. If they didn't have the character they do, I'd be a little worried, but I'm supremely confident that the unselfishness of those two guys will play a huge role in the teams success. It will allow Tatum and Brown's roles to expand at whatever pace fits suits them.
If Hayward or Horford need to pick up a greater load? no problem. If Tatum or Brown make another leap toward go-to scorer status, Hayward and Horford will mold their games to suit that.
And I think Kyrie is underrated as someone who can play off ball, has learned how to pick his spots, and is fine sitting back and letting others get theirs.
He did play off LeBron for quite some time, so I think he'd be perfectly okay with it under a much better coach in a more functioning offence
Right, and I don't think Kyrie's problem with Lebron was necessarily that Kyrie wasn't getting his touches, I think it had more to do with the circus that Lebron brought with him, the shadow that cast, and Lebron not being willing to see Kyrie as an equal.
Kyrie had a usage rate of 31% last year. For what ever reason he wanted out of Cleveland, he demands a lot of touches and shots. Hayward was at 28% his last year in UT. Tatum and Brown were at 23% and 25% in the playoffs last year, respectively.
Someone is going to have to sacrifice some touches and shots here. I can see Chuck's point..
Just because he had a high usage rate last season doesn't mean he needs to have a high usage rate. When last season began he was the only go-to scorer. He had to carry the offense a lot of nights. But I had a lot more instances thinking "Kyrie needs to get in there are take over" than I had "Kyrie needs to not take so many shots" last year.
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Sir Charles via NBA TV:
“It’s going to be interesting watching that team play because people just assume they’re getting two All Stars back like it’s all going to all fit together,” Barkley said. “Let me tell you something, I saw Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum play. They’re not going to sit around and watch Kyrie (Irving) and Gordon Hayward shoot the ball every time. Those two young kids are terrific. Anybody that thinks ‘hey Kyrie and Gordon, you just shoot all the shots and we’ll just stand around.’ That to me is going to be very fun to watch.”
I like how on a team like GSW, with 2 guys who shoot considerably more than everyone not named Kyrie, this isn't even considered a problem. But for a team Sir Charles hates, it is.
Probably worth noting that Golden State has proven it won't be a problem, while we have yet do so.
That said, I can't really imagine a better host of player personalities. Horford and Hayward are built as well as anyone for these roles. Both can score from any level and are good passers for their positions. Both can stretch the floor play off ball. Both are willing to blend into an offense rather than be a focal point. If they didn't have the character they do, I'd be a little worried, but I'm supremely confident that the unselfishness of those two guys will play a huge role in the teams success. It will allow Tatum and Brown's roles to expand at whatever pace fits suits them.
If Hayward or Horford need to pick up a greater load? no problem. If Tatum or Brown make another leap toward go-to scorer status, Hayward and Horford will mold their games to suit that.
And I think Kyrie is underrated as someone who can play off ball, has learned how to pick his spots, and is fine sitting back and letting others get theirs.
He did play off LeBron for quite some time, so I think he'd be perfectly okay with it under a much better coach in a more functioning offence
Right, and I don't think Kyrie's problem with Lebron was necessarily that Kyrie wasn't getting his touches, I think it had more to do with the circus that Lebron brought with him, the shadow that cast, and Lebron not being willing to see Kyrie as an equal.
Kyrie had a usage rate of 31% last year. For what ever reason he wanted out of Cleveland, he demands a lot of touches and shots. Hayward was at 28% his last year in UT. Tatum and Brown were at 23% and 25% in the playoffs last year, respectively.
Someone is going to have to sacrifice some touches and shots here. I can see Chuck's point..
Just because he had a high usage rate last season doesn't mean he needs to have a high usage rate. When last season began he was the only go-to scorer. He had to carry the offense a lot of nights. But I had a lot more instances thinking "Kyrie needs to get in there are take over" than I had "Kyrie needs to not take so many shots" last year.
Sure he MAY be able to get by with lower usage, but so far he hasn't proven it yet. Last year his usage was a career high. We'll need to wait and see to see how he adapts to all this talent..
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Sir Charles via NBA TV:
“It’s going to be interesting watching that team play because people just assume they’re getting two All Stars back like it’s all going to all fit together,” Barkley said. “Let me tell you something, I saw Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum play. They’re not going to sit around and watch Kyrie (Irving) and Gordon Hayward shoot the ball every time. Those two young kids are terrific. Anybody that thinks ‘hey Kyrie and Gordon, you just shoot all the shots and we’ll just stand around.’ That to me is going to be very fun to watch.”
I like how on a team like GSW, with 2 guys who shoot considerably more than everyone not named Kyrie, this isn't even considered a problem. But for a team Sir Charles hates, it is.
Probably worth noting that Golden State has proven it won't be a problem, while we have yet do so.
That said, I can't really imagine a better host of player personalities. Horford and Hayward are built as well as anyone for these roles. Both can score from any level and are good passers for their positions. Both can stretch the floor play off ball. Both are willing to blend into an offense rather than be a focal point. If they didn't have the character they do, I'd be a little worried, but I'm supremely confident that the unselfishness of those two guys will play a huge role in the teams success. It will allow Tatum and Brown's roles to expand at whatever pace fits suits them.
If Hayward or Horford need to pick up a greater load? no problem. If Tatum or Brown make another leap toward go-to scorer status, Hayward and Horford will mold their games to suit that.
And I think Kyrie is underrated as someone who can play off ball, has learned how to pick his spots, and is fine sitting back and letting others get theirs.
He did play off LeBron for quite some time, so I think he'd be perfectly okay with it under a much better coach in a more functioning offence
Right, and I don't think Kyrie's problem with Lebron was necessarily that Kyrie wasn't getting his touches, I think it had more to do with the circus that Lebron brought with him, the shadow that cast, and Lebron not being willing to see Kyrie as an equal.
Kyrie had a usage rate of 31% last year. For what ever reason he wanted out of Cleveland, he demands a lot of touches and shots. Hayward was at 28% his last year in UT. Tatum and Brown were at 23% and 25% in the playoffs last year, respectively.
Someone is going to have to sacrifice some touches and shots here. I can see Chuck's point..
Just because he had a high usage rate last season doesn't mean he needs to have a high usage rate. When last season began he was the only go-to scorer. He had to carry the offense a lot of nights. But I had a lot more instances thinking "Kyrie needs to get in there are take over" than I had "Kyrie needs to not take so many shots" last year.
Sure he MAY be able to get by with lower usage, but so far he hasn't proven it yet. Last year his usage was a career high. We'll need to wait and see to see how he adapts to all this talent..
We've seen him play off ball for years with Lebron and I saw a willingness to let others get theirs all season this past year as well, he just didn't get much of an opportunity to do that because he was the only trusted shot creator on the team.
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I laughed at this notion when I heard it, as if it’s bad to have too many options. I don’t care what he says, it’s a great problem to have.
These aren’t ballhogs, they all work within the system and take the right shot, that’s what Brad is always preaching. They will still swing the ball, they will attack then they have the matchup.
I’m sure he loves GSW adding Cousins, though.
He’s a tool that can’t handle Celtics are legit.
there are alot of TV media the same Celtics hate ..Rose for one
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