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Title: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 19, 2018, 04:55:09 PM
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Oklahoma City has agreed to trade Carmelo Anthony and a protected 2022 first-round pick to Atlanta for point guard Dennis Schroder and Mike Muscala, league sources tell ESPN. Anthony will be waived, and he will join team of his choice. Rockets are frontrunner.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1020045930429583365?s=21

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Sources: As part of multi-team Carmelo Anthony/Dennis Schröder deal, Atlanta's Mike Muscala will go to Philadelphia, 76ers' Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot will be traded to Oklahoma City and 76ers' Justin Anderson to Atlanta.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1020049180390195202?s=21

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The pick the Thunder are sending the Hawks is 2022 lottery protected first rounder (1-14). If it doesn’t convey, it’ll become two second rounders.

https://twitter.com/royceyoung/status/1020048504385884160?s=21

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Anthony will get his entire $27.9M in the buyout and waiver with Hawks. It could take a few days to work thru logistics on trade. 'Melo met with Rockets and Heat in Las Vegas. Again, Rockets are the frontrunner.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1020047679362039808?s=21
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder and protected pick
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 19, 2018, 05:02:13 PM
What an absolutely amazing deal by the Thunder. I love what they are doing.

Schroeder can't play with Westbrook very well, but he can definitely run the offense in the 15 minutes Westbrook doesn't play. Other than that, it will be really interesting to see how they play together.

Muscala is no pushover either. He might be a better option than Patterson as their stretch big.

Also, the Thunder could flip Schroeder for another player of value. I realize he doesn't have much value now, but they did just flip a similar player (Oladipo) with a dead contract (Kanter) and a young prospect (Sabonis) for George. Maybe they could complete a similar trade for another star. 

Still, they have more talent than they did before. They have a huge luxury tax bill, but they are a better today than yesterday, and they have better trade assets as well.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: saltlover on July 19, 2018, 05:04:09 PM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 19, 2018, 05:07:49 PM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I like Muscala a lot as a 4th-5th big. There are reports they are moving him?
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: saltlover on July 19, 2018, 05:09:39 PM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I like Muscala a lot as a 4th-5th big. There are reports they are moving him?

Yes, one of Woj’s tweets indicated this: “likely headed for a third team in near future”.

EDIT: Very near future, as Philly was announced as the third team while I typed.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 19, 2018, 05:12:35 PM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I like Muscala a lot as a 4th-5th big. There are reports they are moving him?

Yes, one of Woj’s tweets indicated this: “likely headed for a third team in near future”.

EDIT: Very near future, as Philly was announced as the third team while I typed.

Interesting. I guess they needed a Bjelica replacement. Does Philly absorb him into cap space?
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: pearljammer10 on July 19, 2018, 05:13:38 PM
Can’t see Schroeder staying in OKC. Bad fit with Westbrook, and he isn’t going to want to play 6th man. Good move for OKC to ditch Melos contract though.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: saltlover on July 19, 2018, 05:14:05 PM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I like Muscala a lot as a 4th-5th big. There are reports they are moving him?

Yes, one of Woj’s tweets indicated this: “likely headed for a third team in near future”.

EDIT: Very near future, as Philly was announced as the third team while I typed.

Interesting. I guess they needed a Bjelica replacement. Does Philly absorb him into cap space?

No, they traded Timothy Luwawu-Cabarrot to OKC and Justin Anderson to Atlanta to make salaries match.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 19, 2018, 05:16:12 PM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I like Muscala a lot as a 4th-5th big. There are reports they are moving him?

Yes, one of Woj’s tweets indicated this: “likely headed for a third team in near future”.

EDIT: Very near future, as Philly was announced as the third team while I typed.

Interesting. I guess they needed a Bjelica replacement. Does Philly absorb him into cap space?

No, they traded Timothy Luwawu-Cabarrot to OKC and Justin Anderson to Atlanta to make salaries match.

Wow. I liked the little I saw of TLC (not as a starter, mind you, but as a decent nba player), but he ends up be salary filler? OKC gets another long wing.

As you said, saltlover, it's almost as if Philly needs a full-time GM.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: saltlover on July 19, 2018, 05:24:32 PM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I like Muscala a lot as a 4th-5th big. There are reports they are moving him?

Yes, one of Woj’s tweets indicated this: “likely headed for a third team in near future”.

EDIT: Very near future, as Philly was announced as the third team while I typed.

Interesting. I guess they needed a Bjelica replacement. Does Philly absorb him into cap space?

No, they traded Timothy Luwawu-Cabarrot to OKC and Justin Anderson to Atlanta to make salaries match.

Wow. I liked the little I saw of TLC (not as a starter, mind you, but as a decent nba player), but he ends up be salary filler? OKC gets another long wing.

As you said, saltlover, it's almost as if Philly needs a full-time GM.

Oh, I don’t think TLC has an NBA future after this year.  OKC needs a min salary or two to fill out their roster, so he’s useful in that role, but I don’t think Philly gave up much that mattered to them in this deal.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: mef730 on July 19, 2018, 05:31:15 PM
I don't know the role players who are involved at all. What is Philly getting out of this? Is Muscala that much better, or is it some sort of contract dump?

Mike
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: saltlover on July 19, 2018, 05:32:39 PM
I don't know the role players who are involved at all. What is Philly getting out of this? Is Muscala that much better, or is it some sort of contract dump?

Mike

Philly traded their 14th and 16th man for maybe a 12th man.  So it’s fine for them, but doesn’t really move the needle.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 19, 2018, 05:47:13 PM
saltlover, does this set a cost for taking salary at all? I think it might.

Yesterday, we were talking about the Kings absorbing Anderson's salary of 40 million over the next two years. You contended that the cost would be two 1sts. I thought one 1st might get it done.

Here, the Hawks not only got Melo and his 27 million over 1 year, but they also had to trade away talent (Schroeder, although he probably wasn't a huge plus), and they only got a lottery protected 1st in 2022. And Melo will never even play for them, unlike Anderson.

I guess I'd argue from this that the cost to deal away that much salary is still only one 1st round pick (and maybe even a protected one), especially if that player can be a useful player for the team receiving him.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: Roy H. on July 19, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
saltlover, does this set a cost for taking salary at all? I think it might.

Yesterday, we were talking about the Kings absorbing Anderson's salary of 40 million over the next two years. You contended that the cost would be two 1sts. I thought one 1st might get it done.

Here, the Hawks not only got Melo and his 27 million over 1 year, but they also had to trade away talent (Schroeder, although he probably wasn't a huge plus), and they only got a lottery protected 1st in 2022. And Melo will never even play for them, unlike Anderson.

I guess I'd argue from this that the cost to deal away that much salary is still only one 1st round pick (and maybe even a protected one), especially if that player can be a useful player for the team receiving him.

That extra year on Anderson’s deal is giant, though, and Atlanta has been actively trying to trade Schroder for months. He had negative value.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 19, 2018, 05:52:40 PM
saltlover, does this set a cost for taking salary at all? I think it might.

Yesterday, we were talking about the Kings absorbing Anderson's salary of 40 million over the next two years. You contended that the cost would be two 1sts. I thought one 1st might get it done.

Here, the Hawks not only got Melo and his 27 million over 1 year, but they also had to trade away talent (Schroeder, although he probably wasn't a huge plus), and they only got a lottery protected 1st in 2022. And Melo will never even play for them, unlike Anderson.

I guess I'd argue from this that the cost to deal away that much salary is still only one 1st round pick (and maybe even a protected one), especially if that player can be a useful player for the team receiving him.

That extra year on Anderson’s deal is giant, though, and Atlanta has been actively trying to trade Schroder for months. He had negative value.

Yeah. It's a total of 13 million more than Melo had.

I still don't think Schroeder had negative value, at least not significant negative value. I just think the Hawks were being patient with the draft to try to get the most they could.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: saltlover on July 19, 2018, 05:53:28 PM
saltlover, does this set a cost for taking salary at all? I think it might.

Yesterday, we were talking about the Kings absorbing Anderson's salary of 40 million over the next two years. You contended that the cost would be two 1sts. I thought one 1st might get it done.

Here, the Hawks not only got Melo and his 27 million over 1 year, but they also had to trade away talent (Schroeder, although he probably wasn't a huge plus), and they only got a lottery protected 1st in 2022. And Melo will never even play for them, unlike Anderson.

I guess I'd argue from this that the cost to deal away that much salary is still only one 1st round pick (and maybe even a protected one), especially if that player can be a useful player for the team receiving him.

The Hawks were rumored to want to get out of Schröder’s contract.  He was given his extension by the prior administration, and while he’s a useful player, mid-tier players on long money often have negative value if they’re only living up to their contract, as opposed to vastly exceeding it.  (Remember giving up a second to get rid of 2.5 years of Courtney Lee’s perfectly reasonable deal a few years ago?)

The Hawks got a decently protected 1st for $9 million of cap space this year and moving long-term money that probably had about neutral trade value.  I stand by my valuation of cap space.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: CelticSooner on July 19, 2018, 05:54:33 PM
Renting out cap space kind of went away the last few years but it's back in a big way. The whole $27 mil? and he gets to keep it all? lol
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: Birdman on July 19, 2018, 06:06:46 PM
OKC got a pretty good team this year..added some good bench players like Noel and Schroder
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: celticsclay on July 19, 2018, 06:12:38 PM
I am excited for OKC's team. Seems pretty fun.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 19, 2018, 06:16:10 PM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I guess they lowered it to ~$86M with them taking back TLC. So if they stretch Singler, that lowers it to around $67M for only 13 players.

Even scarier, they are already $2.2M over the tax for the 6 guaranteed contracts the following season! If everyone opts in to team/player options, they are looking at a $43M tax bill for just 10 players. For a non-contender. Crazy.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: footey on July 19, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
Can’t see Schroeder staying in OKC. Bad fit with Westbrook, and he isn’t going to want to play 6th man. Good move for OKC to ditch Melos contract though.

Yeah, it's like Oladipo, all over again.

Maybe Schroeder will become all pro after he leaves the Thunder.

Doubt it.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: CelticsElite on July 19, 2018, 06:26:44 PM
I am excited for OKC's team. Seems pretty fun.
why? All they did was add that terrible guard schroader, and TLC who was not a good player either
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 19, 2018, 06:38:38 PM
I am excited for OKC's team. Seems pretty fun.
why? All they did was add that terrible guard schroader, and TLC who was not a good player either

Ha yeah, I don’t see them as much different than last year. Which may have been entertaining enough, but a pretty lackluster team when all is said and done. The good thing they did was cut down the tax bill AND lose Melo, who is always addition by subtraction.

Bottom seed playoff team and first round exit.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: celticsclay on July 19, 2018, 06:52:33 PM
I am excited for OKC's team. Seems pretty fun.
why? All they did was add that terrible guard schroader, and TLC who was not a good player either

Ha yeah, I don’t see them as much different than last year. Which may have been entertaining enough, but a pretty lackluster team when all is said and done. The good thing they did was cut down the tax bill AND lose Melo, who is always addition by subtraction.

Bottom seed playoff team and first round exit.

I like the Noel pickup a lot at the minimum. I think Schroeder is a very good scoring guard off the bench can play 2-3 minutes with westbrook and the rest when westbrook rests. I think Melo is a huge addition by subtraction. I think they will definitely get out of the first round this year.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 19, 2018, 06:56:43 PM
I am excited for OKC's team. Seems pretty fun.
why? All they did was add that terrible guard schroader, and TLC who was not a good player either

Ha yeah, I don’t see them as much different than last year. Which may have been entertaining enough, but a pretty lackluster team when all is said and done. The good thing they did was cut down the tax bill AND lose Melo, who is always addition by subtraction.

Bottom seed playoff team and first round exit.

I like the Noel pickup a lot at the minimum. I think Schroeder is a very good scoring guard off the bench can play 2-3 minutes with westbrook and the rest when westbrook rests. I think Melo is a huge addition by subtraction. I think they will definitely get out of the first round this year.

Yeah. The Thunder are gong to score in only one way -- reliant on Westbrook. That really won't change with the players around him much.

Defensively, though, they are scarry. They could run a team of Noel-Grant-Roberson-George-Westbrook. Adams is a really good defender too (and obviously their starter).

Then you add in Schroeder, who, while he is a poor defender, has a massive wingspan that could add to the perimeter defense.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: Tr1boy on July 19, 2018, 07:21:45 PM
Okc gm sb fired. Careless spender
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 19, 2018, 07:33:13 PM
OKC did well in shedding Melo's contract and acquiring an asset with value in Shroder, but I dont see him working in OKC at all.  I lived near Atlanta when he played with Teague and it was rumored that he was a malcontent and believed he should start well before he had earned it.  Then in 2015 he threatened to leave if the Hawks wouldn't commit to him as their long term starter.  Playing behind Westbrook is about the worst situation I can imagine for him, and I doubt they can play together.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jeff-teague-says-there-was-a-tug-of-war-with-dennis-schroder-in-atlanta/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jeff-teague-says-there-was-a-tug-of-war-with-dennis-schroder-in-atlanta/amp/)
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: SparzWizard on July 19, 2018, 07:33:57 PM
So did the Hawks just became Knicks 2013?

EDIT: Nevermind, just read he'll get waived.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: saltlover on July 19, 2018, 07:41:38 PM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I guess they lowered it to ~$86M with them taking back TLC. So if they stretch Singler, that lowers it to around $67M for only 13 players.

Even scarier, they are already $2.2M over the tax for the 6 guaranteed contracts the following season! If everyone opts in to team/player options, they are looking at a $43M tax bill for just 10 players. For a non-contender. Crazy.

And in two years they’d be only $7 million below the tax line with just 6 players.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 19, 2018, 07:47:05 PM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I guess they lowered it to ~$86M with them taking back TLC. So if they stretch Singler, that lowers it to around $67M for only 13 players.

Even scarier, they are already $2.2M over the tax for the 6 guaranteed contracts the following season! If everyone opts in to team/player options, they are looking at a $43M tax bill for just 10 players. For a non-contender. Crazy.

And in two years they’d be only $7 million below the tax line with just 6 players.

Things could go downhill quick, but if I were an OKC fan, I'd definitely be excited about their potential. Not only do they provide a difficult matchup for anyone (including GSW), but they are set up well to make a trade for a 3rd banana (probably not in the running for the elite guys like Davis, but more like the second tier malcontent stars).

Also, I think teams are starting to ready themselves for the Warriors inevitable decline due to age (Green), injuries (Curry already showing signs?), and/or free agency (Durant to NY?).
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: #1P4P on July 19, 2018, 09:12:00 PM
Melo's best option for individual and team success (if they're interested). He'd be the 2nd option on offense, have AD to cover for his defensive weaknesses, and they'd make the playoffs. Miami also have that situation except he could be the 1st option, but that team would be hard pressed to make the 2nd round.

There are other teams that he could join that offer good fit, but if he didn't enjoy his role in OKC's offense, he's going to be disappointed on most other winning team.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: hpantazo on July 19, 2018, 09:15:08 PM
I bet Melo goes to the Lakers and Lebron gets part of his banana boat crew.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: Moranis on July 19, 2018, 09:34:15 PM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I guess they lowered it to ~$86M with them taking back TLC. So if they stretch Singler, that lowers it to around $67M for only 13 players.

Even scarier, they are already $2.2M over the tax for the 6 guaranteed contracts the following season! If everyone opts in to team/player options, they are looking at a $43M tax bill for just 10 players. For a non-contender. Crazy.
I wouldn't call them a noncontender as they could legitimately be the 2nd best team in the West
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 20, 2018, 08:12:23 AM
I bet Melo goes to the Lakers and Lebron gets part of his banana boat crew.
This is very possible because Melo has never been about winning. It has always been about how good he looks. If he was about winning he would join the Rockets.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: saltlover on July 20, 2018, 08:27:12 AM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I guess they lowered it to ~$86M with them taking back TLC. So if they stretch Singler, that lowers it to around $67M for only 13 players.

Even scarier, they are already $2.2M over the tax for the 6 guaranteed contracts the following season! If everyone opts in to team/player options, they are looking at a $43M tax bill for just 10 players. For a non-contender. Crazy.
I wouldn't call them a noncontender as they could legitimately be the 2nd best team in the West

They’re more likely to miss the playoffs than be #2 in the West.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: chilidawg on July 20, 2018, 09:12:43 AM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I guess they lowered it to ~$86M with them taking back TLC. So if they stretch Singler, that lowers it to around $67M for only 13 players.

Even scarier, they are already $2.2M over the tax for the 6 guaranteed contracts the following season! If everyone opts in to team/player options, they are looking at a $43M tax bill for just 10 players. For a non-contender. Crazy.
I wouldn't call them a noncontender as they could legitimately be the 2nd best team in the West

They’re more likely to miss the playoffs than be #2 in the West.

Melo is addition by subtraction.  I'd expect good things for the Thunder this season.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: greece66 on July 20, 2018, 09:20:44 AM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I guess they lowered it to ~$86M with them taking back TLC. So if they stretch Singler, that lowers it to around $67M for only 13 players.

Even scarier, they are already $2.2M over the tax for the 6 guaranteed contracts the following season! If everyone opts in to team/player options, they are looking at a $43M tax bill for just 10 players. For a non-contender. Crazy.
I wouldn't call them a noncontender as they could legitimately be the 2nd best team in the West

They’re more likely to miss the playoffs than be #2 in the West.


Definitely this. I like their moves this summer, but OKC won't even sniff at 2nd seed.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder (update: Philly as third team)
Post by: greece66 on July 20, 2018, 09:22:20 AM
I bet Melo goes to the Lakers and Lebron gets part of his banana boat crew.
This is very possible because Melo has never been about winning. It has always been about how good he looks. If he was about winning he would join the Rockets.


Hi Hodgy,


not sure what you mean here. Melo wanted to join the Rockets last year, but it was impossible due to their salary situation. He will most likely join them this year tho.
Title: Re: Carmelo traded to ATL for Schroder
Post by: Moranis on July 20, 2018, 09:44:00 AM
Assuming that they move Muscala, as has been reported they quickly will, I have the Thunder lowering their tax bill from $147 million to $80 million.  Combined with the payroll savings, that is around $80 million saved for a 1st and whatever it takes to move Muscala.  Decent work by Presti, but still with an $80 million tax bill.  Singler will assuredly be stretched, which will save them another $20 million in taxes this year, but they’re also on pace to be $20 million over the tax again next summer with the acquisition of Schroeder.

I guess they lowered it to ~$86M with them taking back TLC. So if they stretch Singler, that lowers it to around $67M for only 13 players.

Even scarier, they are already $2.2M over the tax for the 6 guaranteed contracts the following season! If everyone opts in to team/player options, they are looking at a $43M tax bill for just 10 players. For a non-contender. Crazy.
I wouldn't call them a noncontender as they could legitimately be the 2nd best team in the West

They’re more likely to miss the playoffs than be #2 in the West.
This is just silly.  They were the 4th seed last year and should be a much better team this year.  They get rid of Anthony who was dragging them down and get a much deeper overall bench.  They also will at some point get Roberson back (though obviously his health will be a concern). 

This team is not missing the playoffs (unless RW or PG miss extensive time).  they have 1 open spot, let's say they bring Brewer back to fill the 3 and D role.

PG - Westbrook, Schroder, Felton
SG - Roberson, Abrines, Ferguson, Luwawu-Cabarrot
SF - George, Brewer, Singler
PF - Grant, Patterson
C - Adams, Noel, Johnson

That should be one of the best defensive teams in the league.  They also have 2 excellent scorers and won't have many of the bench depth issues that plagued them last year.  Assuming Russ and PG3 stay healthy, the Thunder should be a 50 win team.