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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: AUS_Celtics on July 03, 2018, 09:25:06 PM
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/jimmy-butler-and-kyrie-irving-could-have-plans-to-try-and-take-over-the-east/
"A league source close to the situation told the Sun-Times on Tuesday that Kyrie Irving and former Bulls All-Star Jimmy Butler are still trying to figure out a way to play together. Whether that means the Celtics try and acquire Butler this summer or the two simply wait a year, both opt out of their player options after the season, and join forces that way.
Either way, the two former Team USA Basketball teammates are looking for a destination to build an elite backcourt, whether that’s in Celtics green or elsewhere in the East.
Not that this hasn’t been lurking for quite some time, either."
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Let's see how bad Kyrie wants to play with Jimmy once he realizes Jaylen is a way better player
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Why is Kyrie becoming a distraction?
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discussed here, merge?
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97142.0
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Garbage reporting..
This was talked about when Kyrie was still in Cle...
No one is reporting how Kyrie has wanted to play with Hayward since before Lebron Came back to Cle. Irving actually said this. but I guess that doesn't matter because he didn't say he wanted to play in Boston forever when asked...
Trash.
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Cousins just signed the MLE to join Golden State. All those stars in the West just signed on one year contracts and now know with the way the Warriors are they have no shot whatsoever at the finals. A year from now where are they all gonna want to go? Exactly.
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Let's see how bad Kyrie wants to play with Jimmy once he realizes Jaylen is a way better player
I dont think he cares
Irving and Butler are like best buds
Got a bad feeling both will opt out after this season and sign with the Knicks
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Why is Kyrie becoming a distraction?
Didn't click the above link, but we know he was a distraction back in CLE. And for good reason -- people here were recently floating the idea that Kawhi deserved legal action from the Spurs for threatening to sit out unless he was traded to LA. So it's pretty silly that Kyrie is beyond reproach on the same blog.
But, think about it... who had a worse 2018 playoffs than Kyrie Irving? Beyond the self-centered errors in judgment, the baby Celtics proved his value was vastly overrated by (a) coming 1 win away from the Finals, as a team, and (b) showing very significant growth and potential, individually. And maybe worse, CLE limped their way to yet another Finals without him, and even Love, for two important stretches. Big picture: He was expendable to both teams, even despite pretty underwhelming PG replacements.
I don't judge other people with mental health issues, and I can empathize with a lot of crazy. But Kyrie shows clear signs of narcissistic traits that do not hold up well to the above situation. So what's his most likely response? If he has any insight into the situation at all -- and he may not, especially with how much he's reinforced -- he will seek even higher levels of external validation. That alone would account for more self-focused and distracting actions.
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Let's see how bad Kyrie wants to play with Jimmy once he realizes Jaylen is a way better player
I dont think he cares
Irving and Butler are like best buds
Got a bad feeling both will opt out after this season and sign with the Knicks
lets get some more picks in a trade!!!
wooooooo
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Why is Kyrie becoming a distraction?
Didn't click the above link, but we know he was a distraction back in CLE. And for good reason -- people here were recently floating the idea that Kawhi deserved legal action from the Spurs for threatening to sit out unless he was traded to LA. So it's pretty silly that Kyrie is beyond reproach on the same blog.
But, think about it... who had a worse 2018 playoffs than Kyrie Irving? Beyond the self-centered errors in judgment, the baby Celtics proved his value was vastly overrated by (a) coming 1 win away from the Finals, as a team, and (b) showing very significant growth and potential, individually. And maybe worse, CLE limped their way to yet another Finals without him, and even Love, for two important stretches. Big picture: He was expendable to both teams, even despite pretty underwhelming PG replacements.
I don't judge other people with mental health issues, and I can empathize with a lot of crazy. But Kyrie shows clear signs of narcissistic traits that do not hold up well to the above situation. So what's his most likely response? If he has any insight into the situation at all -- and he may not, especially with how much he's reinforced -- he will seek even higher levels of external validation. That alone would account for more self-focused and distracting actions.
Hahahahah. Oh my god. Hahahaha
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Why is Kyrie becoming a distraction?
Didn't click the above link, but we know he was a distraction back in CLE. And for good reason -- people here were recently floating the idea that Kawhi deserved legal action from the Spurs for threatening to sit out unless he was traded to LA. So it's pretty silly that Kyrie is beyond reproach on the same blog.
But, think about it... who had a worse 2018 playoffs than Kyrie Irving? Beyond the self-centered errors in judgment, the baby Celtics proved his value was vastly overrated by (a) coming 1 win away from the Finals, as a team, and (b) showing very significant growth and potential, individually. And maybe worse, CLE limped their way to yet another Finals without him, and even Love, for two important stretches. Big picture: He was expendable to both teams, even despite pretty underwhelming PG replacements.
I don't judge other people with mental health issues, and I can empathize with a lot of crazy. But Kyrie shows clear signs of narcissistic traits that do not hold up well to the above situation. So what's his most likely response? If he has any insight into the situation at all -- and he may not, especially with how much he's reinforced -- he will seek even higher levels of external validation. That alone would account for more self-focused and distracting actions.
Plus his knee got infected
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Why is Kyrie becoming a distraction?
Didn't click the above link, but we know he was a distraction back in CLE. And for good reason -- people here were recently floating the idea that Kawhi deserved legal action from the Spurs for threatening to sit out unless he was traded to LA. So it's pretty silly that Kyrie is beyond reproach on the same blog.
But, think about it... who had a worse 2018 playoffs than Kyrie Irving? Beyond the self-centered errors in judgment, the baby Celtics proved his value was vastly overrated by (a) coming 1 win away from the Finals, as a team, and (b) showing very significant growth and potential, individually. And maybe worse, CLE limped their way to yet another Finals without him, and even Love, for two important stretches. Big picture: He was expendable to both teams, even despite pretty underwhelming PG replacements.
I don't judge other people with mental health issues, and I can empathize with a lot of crazy. But Kyrie shows clear signs of narcissistic traits that do not hold up well to the above situation. So what's his most likely response? If he has any insight into the situation at all -- and he may not, especially with how much he's reinforced -- he will seek even higher levels of external validation. That alone would account for more self-focused and distracting actions.
Plus his knee got infected
LOL.
(Kyrie for KAT works no?)
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Garbage reporting..
This was talked about when Kyrie was still in Cle...
No one is reporting how Kyrie has wanted to play with Hayward since before Lebron Came back to Cle. Irving actually said this. but I guess that doesn't matter because he didn't say he wanted to play in Boston forever when asked...
Trash.
This needs more visibility.
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Why is Kyrie becoming a distraction?
Didn't click the above link, but we know he was a distraction back in CLE. And for good reason -- people here were recently floating the idea that Kawhi deserved legal action from the Spurs for threatening to sit out unless he was traded to LA. So it's pretty silly that Kyrie is beyond reproach on the same blog.
But, think about it... who had a worse 2018 playoffs than Kyrie Irving? Beyond the self-centered errors in judgment, the baby Celtics proved his value was vastly overrated by (a) coming 1 win away from the Finals, as a team, and (b) showing very significant growth and potential, individually. And maybe worse, CLE limped their way to yet another Finals without him, and even Love, for two important stretches. Big picture: He was expendable to both teams, even despite pretty underwhelming PG replacements.
I don't judge other people with mental health issues, and I can empathize with a lot of crazy. But Kyrie shows clear signs of narcissistic traits that do not hold up well to the above situation. So what's his most likely response? If he has any insight into the situation at all -- and he may not, especially with how much he's reinforced -- he will seek even higher levels of external validation. That alone would account for more self-focused and distracting actions.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/e2/9c/6ee29cb852e7a3fcdb3dfae0026532a8.gif)
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Why is Kyrie becoming a distraction?
Didn't click the above link, but we know he was a distraction back in CLE. And for good reason -- people here were recently floating the idea that Kawhi deserved legal action from the Spurs for threatening to sit out unless he was traded to LA. So it's pretty silly that Kyrie is beyond reproach on the same blog.
But, think about it... who had a worse 2018 playoffs than Kyrie Irving? Beyond the self-centered errors in judgment, the baby Celtics proved his value was vastly overrated by (a) coming 1 win away from the Finals, as a team, and (b) showing very significant growth and potential, individually. And maybe worse, CLE limped their way to yet another Finals without him, and even Love, for two important stretches. Big picture: He was expendable to both teams, even despite pretty underwhelming PG replacements.
I don't judge other people with mental health issues, and I can empathize with a lot of crazy. But Kyrie shows clear signs of narcissistic traits that do not hold up well to the above situation. So what's his most likely response? If he has any insight into the situation at all -- and he may not, especially with how much he's reinforced -- he will seek even higher levels of external validation. That alone would account for more self-focused and distracting actions.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/e2/9c/6ee29cb852e7a3fcdb3dfae0026532a8.gif)
Ha!!!
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They will hook up at Team USA. Case closed; itch scratched.
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Why is Kyrie becoming a distraction?
Didn't click the above link, but we know he was a distraction back in CLE. And for good reason -- people here were recently floating the idea that Kawhi deserved legal action from the Spurs for threatening to sit out unless he was traded to LA. So it's pretty silly that Kyrie is beyond reproach on the same blog.
But, think about it... who had a worse 2018 playoffs than Kyrie Irving? Beyond the self-centered errors in judgment, the baby Celtics proved his value was vastly overrated by (a) coming 1 win away from the Finals, as a team, and (b) showing very significant growth and potential, individually. And maybe worse, CLE limped their way to yet another Finals without him, and even Love, for two important stretches. Big picture: He was expendable to both teams, even despite pretty underwhelming PG replacements.
I don't judge other people with mental health issues, and I can empathize with a lot of crazy. But Kyrie shows clear signs of narcissistic traits that do not hold up well to the above situation. So what's his most likely response? If he has any insight into the situation at all -- and he may not, especially with how much he's reinforced -- he will seek even higher levels of external validation. That alone would account for more self-focused and distracting actions.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/e2/9c/6ee29cb852e7a3fcdb3dfae0026532a8.gif)
Lol.
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Why is Kyrie becoming a distraction?
Didn't click the above link, but we know he was a distraction back in CLE. And for good reason -- people here were recently floating the idea that Kawhi deserved legal action from the Spurs for threatening to sit out unless he was traded to LA. So it's pretty silly that Kyrie is beyond reproach on the same blog.
But, think about it... who had a worse 2018 playoffs than Kyrie Irving? Beyond the self-centered errors in judgment, the baby Celtics proved his value was vastly overrated by (a) coming 1 win away from the Finals, as a team, and (b) showing very significant growth and potential, individually. And maybe worse, CLE limped their way to yet another Finals without him, and even Love, for two important stretches. Big picture: He was expendable to both teams, even despite pretty underwhelming PG replacements.
I don't judge other people with mental health issues, and I can empathize with a lot of crazy. But Kyrie shows clear signs of narcissistic traits that do not hold up well to the above situation. So what's his most likely response? If he has any insight into the situation at all -- and he may not, especially with how much he's reinforced -- he will seek even higher levels of external validation. That alone would account for more self-focused and distracting actions.
Another pure genius from our resident Kyrie-hater.
If we had Kyrie we woulsve beaten the bucks in 5, the Sixers in 4 and Cleveland in 5. In your blind and irrational hatred, you failed to see how much we needed a reliable scorer, esp one who has done it before. Or did you close your eyes as well when Kyrie elininated us the year before?
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Why is Kyrie becoming a distraction?
Didn't click the above link, but we know he was a distraction back in CLE. And for good reason -- people here were recently floating the idea that Kawhi deserved legal action from the Spurs for threatening to sit out unless he was traded to LA. So it's pretty silly that Kyrie is beyond reproach on the same blog.
But, think about it... who had a worse 2018 playoffs than Kyrie Irving? Beyond the self-centered errors in judgment, the baby Celtics proved his value was vastly overrated by (a) coming 1 win away from the Finals, as a team, and (b) showing very significant growth and potential, individually. And maybe worse, CLE limped their way to yet another Finals without him, and even Love, for two important stretches. Big picture: He was expendable to both teams, even despite pretty underwhelming PG replacements.
I don't judge other people with mental health issues, and I can empathize with a lot of crazy. But Kyrie shows clear signs of narcissistic traits that do not hold up well to the above situation. So what's his most likely response? If he has any insight into the situation at all -- and he may not, especially with how much he's reinforced -- he will seek even higher levels of external validation. That alone would account for more self-focused and distracting actions.
Plus his knee got infected
LOL.
(Kyrie for KAT works no?)
I'm getting there with this. The Horford/Towns front court would be right on par with Draymond/Cousins.
Don't see why Minnesota gives up their franchise cornerstone for one year of Kyrie though. Still wouldn'tbe anything stopping him from moving to New York with Jimmy Butler in 2019. Suddenly Minny is left holding the bag with Wiggins and no Towns.
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The wheels are turning
http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/13/report-jimmy-butler-denies-minnesota-timberwolves-extension
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The wheels are turning
http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/13/report-jimmy-butler-denies-minnesota-timberwolves-extension
might be wrong but I thought this extension denial was an expected move so he can get a bigger long term deal
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Why is Kyrie becoming a distraction?
Because Kyrie prefers it that way. He is a self-centered personality who craves the drama spotlight. I have read several positive articles about the guy that describe him as chronically restless. He becomes bored when his basketball situation becomes too stable and endlessly seeks to create changing dynamics within his team or within his life.
In the end, unfortunately, it appears that Kyrie is mostly about, well, Kyrie. THAT is the one component in his life that stays consistent no matter which team he plays for.
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Fake news to hurt the C's!
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Why is Kyrie becoming a distraction?
Because Kyrie prefers it that way. He is a self-centered personality who craves the drama spotlight. I have read several positive articles about the guy that describe him as chronically restless. He becomes bored when his basketball situation becomes too stable and endlessly seeks to create changing dynamics within his team or within his life.
In the end, unfortunately, it appears that Kyrie is mostly about, well, Kyrie. THAT is the one component in his life that stays consistent no matter which team he plays for.
same old garbage. Media hiatorically has done this, but you still believe it's kyrie's doing?
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The wheels are turning
http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/13/report-jimmy-butler-denies-minnesota-timberwolves-extension
might be wrong but I thought this extension denial was an expected move so he can get a bigger long term deal
It is 100% this. If Butler signs with another team in free agency next year, he could get $140 million over four years, and the Wolves could offer $145 million over four years, and tack on a fifth year to boot. Butler has decided he won’t take a 30% discount to remove risk of an Achilles injury. I don’t know why Minnesota’s owner feels the need to have a press conference about a player obviously turning down an extension, but Taylor has never been good at player-ownership relationships.
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The wheels are turning
http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/13/report-jimmy-butler-denies-minnesota-timberwolves-extension
might be wrong but I thought this extension denial was an expected move so he can get a bigger long term deal
It is 100% this. If Butler signs with another team in free agency next year, he could get $140 million over four years, and the Wolves could offer $145 million over four years, and tack on a fifth year to boot. Butler has decided he won’t take a 30% discount to remove risk of an Achilles injury. I don’t know why Minnesota’s owner feels the need to have a press conference about a player obviously turning down an extension, but Taylor has never been good at player-ownership relationships.
I agree that this is the most likely thing that is happening.
He is a 4 year player at Marquette and has played a lot of minutes under Thibs. His prime might be shorter than some.
If I'm Minny (or Thibs), I might like a package of Morris, Smart (sign and trade 14 million), Yabu, Nader, and future firsts. Smart and Morris might provide just the right amount of toughness to continue to develop KAT and Wiggins.
However, if I'm Minny, I would definitely like Covington, Saric, and Fultz better.
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Butler turning down the extension is nothing news, it was expected that he would do that regardless because he can make much more money hitting free agency (and with the number of teams that can make space someone will offer him a max deal so long as he doesn't have a career-threatening injury). That being said, the rumors about him not being content with the Wolves right now seem real, and he's a guy that may be worth keeping an eye on if the Wolves struggle out of the gate and Butler lets management know he intends to walk in the summer. Boston should have the pieces to make a pretty competitive offer for him as a rental without touching their core.
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The wheels are turning
http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/13/report-jimmy-butler-denies-minnesota-timberwolves-extension
might be wrong but I thought this extension denial was an expected move so he can get a bigger long term deal
It may well be that Butler wanted to wait for more money next summer (how many millions do these guys need ?) - but it has also been widely reported that he has soured on the immaturity and lack of toughness of his teammates (Townes & Wiggins).
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Sources: Minnesota All-Star Jimmy Butler has begun to seriously contemplate his future with the franchise. Our @JonKrawczynski reports Butler and Thibodeau will meet on Monday.
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1041077603501842432?s=21
Jimmy Butler will meet with Tom Thibodeau and Scott Layden on Monday to "have honest conversations about the All-Star's future with the team," sources tell
@TheAthleticMIN
https://twitter.com/jonkrawczynski/status/1041075425865281536?s=21
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Sources: Minnesota All-Star Jimmy Butler has begun to seriously contemplate his future with the franchise. Our @JonKrawczynski reports Butler and Thibodeau will meet on Monday.
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1041077603501842432?s=21
Jimmy Butler will meet with Tom Thibodeau and Scott Layden on Monday to "have honest conversations about the All-Star's future with the team," sources tell
@TheAthleticMIN
https://twitter.com/jonkrawczynski/status/1041075425865281536?s=21
Could be Kyrie told him that he is staying in Boston so Butler is now either going to ask to be traded to a team he wants to go to or wants to start talks about his next contract.
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I actually appreciate what Butler is doing here. It would be a lot better for Minny to get something for Butler rather than him walking in the offseason. Or, if he is considering staying, then maybe he wants to reveal his vision of what a T-Wolves team should look like in the future.
Being honest and upfront is always the best policy.
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I actually appreciate what Butler is doing here. It would be a lot better for Minny to get something for Butler rather than him walking in the offseason. Or, if he is considering staying, then maybe he wants to reveal his vision of what a T-Wolves team should look like in the future.
Being honest and upfront is always the best policy.
I agree. Butler seems like a difficult guy in the locker room, but due to extremely high expectations rather than drama, and he was similarly upfront with CHI.
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
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Butler:if you want me to stay you make me the boss
Thib:No problem
GM:(trade him to newyork)
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
NBA trade rules
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
NBA trade rules
Would it not work come January 19th? If Smart's restriction is what you're referring to
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
Minnesota and it isn't even a contest. They would want Brown.
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
Minnesota and it isn't even a contest. They would want Brown.
Who doesn't want Brown? But, if Butler makes it clear at the trade deadline that he isn't coming back, they would be lucky to get a player like Smart locked up on a long-term contract, plus another versatile player in Morris who they would have the option to keep.
At this point, Minnesota's best leverage is the fact that they can offer more money (which could be enough); otherwise, they are going to need to make a pretty decent playoff run to convince Butler to stay.
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
Minnesota and it isn't even a contest. They would want Brown.
Who doesn't want Brown? But, if Butler makes it clear at the trade deadline that he isn't coming back, they would be lucky to get a player like Smart locked up on a long-term contract, plus another versatile player in Morris who they would have the option to keep.
At this point, Minnesota's best leverage is the fact that they can offer more money (which could be enough); otherwise, they are going to need to make a pretty decent playoff run to convince Butler to stay.
Not necessarily. The Twolves may get a good return for Butler , look at what the Spurs got for Kawhi for example.
If they want draft picks though in addition to players, we have a great chance if we want him.
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I like the Butler, but at the cost of what? Brown? Tatum? No f'ing way. I'm p---ed at the NBA for allowing these players to tamper. New York newspapers have a column every [dang] day about Kyrie going to the Knicks next year. I'm sick of it. Yesterday JR Smith was tweeting that Kyrie was going. This is horsehit.
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I like the Butler, but at the cost of what? Brown? Tatum? No f'ing way. I'm p---ed at the NBA for allowing these players to tamper. New York newspapers have a column every [dang] day about Kyrie going to the Knicks next year. I'm sick of it. Yesterday JR Smith was tweeting that Kyrie was going. This is horsehit.
Knock it off with the profanity, whether disguised or edited by our system.
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
Minnesota and it isn't even a contest. They would want Brown.
Who doesn't want Brown? But, if Butler makes it clear at the trade deadline that he isn't coming back, they would be lucky to get a player like Smart locked up on a long-term contract, plus another versatile player in Morris who they would have the option to keep.
At this point, Minnesota's best leverage is the fact that they can offer more money (which could be enough); otherwise, they are going to need to make a pretty decent playoff run to convince Butler to stay.
Not necessarily. The Twolves may get a good return for Butler , look at what the Spurs got for Kawhi for example.
If they want draft picks though in addition to players, we have a great chance if we want him.
Jimmy Butler is a great player but I'm not sure he is championship material.
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
Minnesota and it isn't even a contest. They would want Brown.
Who doesn't want Brown? But, if Butler makes it clear at the trade deadline that he isn't coming back, they would be lucky to get a player like Smart locked up on a long-term contract, plus another versatile player in Morris who they would have the option to keep.
At this point, Minnesota's best leverage is the fact that they can offer more money (which could be enough); otherwise, they are going to need to make a pretty decent playoff run to convince Butler to stay.
Not necessarily. The Twolves may get a good return for Butler , look at what the Spurs got for Kawhi for example.
If they want draft picks though in addition to players, we have a great chance if we want him.
Jimmy Butler is a great player but I'm not sure he is championship material.
Of course, but the Twolves aren't going to give him away either. Someone will give up assets for him, he is good enough to make the difference for several teams.
Also, Thibs is in charge, and he's a stubborn fool, if he has to move Butler, he will likely demand a lot or let him walk.
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
Minnesota and it isn't even a contest. They would want Brown.
Who doesn't want Brown? But, if Butler makes it clear at the trade deadline that he isn't coming back, they would be lucky to get a player like Smart locked up on a long-term contract, plus another versatile player in Morris who they would have the option to keep.
At this point, Minnesota's best leverage is the fact that they can offer more money (which could be enough); otherwise, they are going to need to make a pretty decent playoff run to convince Butler to stay.
Not necessarily. The Twolves may get a good return for Butler , look at what the Spurs got for Kawhi for example.
If they want draft picks though in addition to players, we have a great chance if we want him.
Jimmy Butler is a great player but I'm not sure he is championship material.
Of course, but the Twolves aren't going to give him away either. Someone will give up assets for him, he is good enough to make the difference for several teams.
Also, Thibs is in charge, and he's a stubborn fool, if he has to move Butler, he will likely demand a lot or let him walk.
Yeah, but, Butler can and will opt out after this season and unless he is traded to a team he wants to re-sign with, he is a one year or less rental. Teams aren't going to give up a ton of assets for what could be a possible half season.
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
Minnesota and it isn't even a contest. They would want Brown.
Who doesn't want Brown? But, if Butler makes it clear at the trade deadline that he isn't coming back, they would be lucky to get a player like Smart locked up on a long-term contract, plus another versatile player in Morris who they would have the option to keep.
At this point, Minnesota's best leverage is the fact that they can offer more money (which could be enough); otherwise, they are going to need to make a pretty decent playoff run to convince Butler to stay.
Not necessarily. The Twolves may get a good return for Butler , look at what the Spurs got for Kawhi for example.
If they want draft picks though in addition to players, we have a great chance if we want him.
Jimmy Butler is a great player but I'm not sure he is championship material.
Of course, but the Twolves aren't going to give him away either. Someone will give up assets for him, he is good enough to make the difference for several teams.
Also, Thibs is in charge, and he's a stubborn fool, if he has to move Butler, he will likely demand a lot or let him walk.
Yeah, but, Butler can and will opt out after this season and unless he is traded to a team he wants to re-sign with, he is a one year or less rental. Teams aren't going to give up a ton of assets for what could be a possible half season.
Same for Kawhi but the Spurs got an all-star back for him, along with a good big man prospect in Poetl, and a protected 1st.
Butler is not Kawhi, but he's not that much less than him either, and probably more likely to stay on the team that trades for him than Kawhi
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
Minnesota and it isn't even a contest. They would want Brown.
Who doesn't want Brown? But, if Butler makes it clear at the trade deadline that he isn't coming back, they would be lucky to get a player like Smart locked up on a long-term contract, plus another versatile player in Morris who they would have the option to keep.
At this point, Minnesota's best leverage is the fact that they can offer more money (which could be enough); otherwise, they are going to need to make a pretty decent playoff run to convince Butler to stay.
Not necessarily. The Twolves may get a good return for Butler , look at what the Spurs got for Kawhi for example.
If they want draft picks though in addition to players, we have a great chance if we want him.
Jimmy Butler is a great player but I'm not sure he is championship material.
Of course, but the Twolves aren't going to give him away either. Someone will give up assets for him, he is good enough to make the difference for several teams.
Also, Thibs is in charge, and he's a stubborn fool, if he has to move Butler, he will likely demand a lot or let him walk.
Yeah, but, Butler can and will opt out after this season and unless he is traded to a team he wants to re-sign with, he is a one year or less rental. Teams aren't going to give up a ton of assets for what could be a possible half season.
Same for Kawhi but the Spurs got an all-star back for him, along with a good big man prospect in Poetl, and a protected 1st.
Butler is not Kawhi, but he's not that much less than him either, and probably more likely to stay on the team that trades for him than Kawhi
I think you are over galuing Butler. Minnesota gave up Lavine, Dunn and a pick that ended up being Wendall Carter Jr. That was with 2 guaranteed years on Butler's contract. If traded at the deadline, Minny isn't getting anywhere close to that.
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
Minnesota and it isn't even a contest. They would want Brown.
Who doesn't want Brown? But, if Butler makes it clear at the trade deadline that he isn't coming back, they would be lucky to get a player like Smart locked up on a long-term contract, plus another versatile player in Morris who they would have the option to keep.
At this point, Minnesota's best leverage is the fact that they can offer more money (which could be enough); otherwise, they are going to need to make a pretty decent playoff run to convince Butler to stay.
Not necessarily. The Twolves may get a good return for Butler , look at what the Spurs got for Kawhi for example.
If they want draft picks though in addition to players, we have a great chance if we want him.
Jimmy Butler is a great player but I'm not sure he is championship material.
Of course, but the Twolves aren't going to give him away either. Someone will give up assets for him, he is good enough to make the difference for several teams.
Also, Thibs is in charge, and he's a stubborn fool, if he has to move Butler, he will likely demand a lot or let him walk.
Yeah, but, Butler can and will opt out after this season and unless he is traded to a team he wants to re-sign with, he is a one year or less rental. Teams aren't going to give up a ton of assets for what could be a possible half season.
Same for Kawhi but the Spurs got an all-star back for him, along with a good big man prospect in Poetl, and a protected 1st.
Butler is not Kawhi, but he's not that much less than him either, and probably more likely to stay on the team that trades for him than Kawhi
I think you are over galuing Butler. Minnesota gave up Lavine, Dunn and a pick that ended up being Wendall Carter Jr. That was with 2 guaranteed years on Butler's contract. If traded at the deadline, Minny isn't getting anywhere close to that.
We shall see
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
Minnesota and it isn't even a contest. They would want Brown.
Who doesn't want Brown? But, if Butler makes it clear at the trade deadline that he isn't coming back, they would be lucky to get a player like Smart locked up on a long-term contract, plus another versatile player in Morris who they would have the option to keep.
At this point, Minnesota's best leverage is the fact that they can offer more money (which could be enough); otherwise, they are going to need to make a pretty decent playoff run to convince Butler to stay.
Not necessarily. The Twolves may get a good return for Butler , look at what the Spurs got for Kawhi for example.
If they want draft picks though in addition to players, we have a great chance if we want him.
Jimmy Butler is a great player but I'm not sure he is championship material.
Of course, but the Twolves aren't going to give him away either. Someone will give up assets for him, he is good enough to make the difference for several teams.
Also, Thibs is in charge, and he's a stubborn fool, if he has to move Butler, he will likely demand a lot or let him walk.
Yeah, but, Butler can and will opt out after this season and unless he is traded to a team he wants to re-sign with, he is a one year or less rental. Teams aren't going to give up a ton of assets for what could be a possible half season.
Same for Kawhi but the Spurs got an all-star back for him, along with a good big man prospect in Poetl, and a protected 1st.
Butler is not Kawhi, but he's not that much less than him either, and probably more likely to stay on the team that trades for him than Kawhi
I think you are over galuing Butler. Minnesota gave up Lavine, Dunn and a pick that ended up being Wendall Carter Jr. That was with 2 guaranteed years on Butler's contract. If traded at the deadline, Minny isn't getting anywhere close to that.
it was Markkanen
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Smart and Morris for Butler. Who says no?
Minnesota and it isn't even a contest. They would want Brown.
Who doesn't want Brown? But, if Butler makes it clear at the trade deadline that he isn't coming back, they would be lucky to get a player like Smart locked up on a long-term contract, plus another versatile player in Morris who they would have the option to keep.
At this point, Minnesota's best leverage is the fact that they can offer more money (which could be enough); otherwise, they are going to need to make a pretty decent playoff run to convince Butler to stay.
Not necessarily. The Twolves may get a good return for Butler , look at what the Spurs got for Kawhi for example.
If they want draft picks though in addition to players, we have a great chance if we want him.
Jimmy Butler is a great player but I'm not sure he is championship material.
Of course, but the Twolves aren't going to give him away either. Someone will give up assets for him, he is good enough to make the difference for several teams.
Also, Thibs is in charge, and he's a stubborn fool, if he has to move Butler, he will likely demand a lot or let him walk.
Yeah, but, Butler can and will opt out after this season and unless he is traded to a team he wants to re-sign with, he is a one year or less rental. Teams aren't going to give up a ton of assets for what could be a possible half season.
Same for Kawhi but the Spurs got an all-star back for him, along with a good big man prospect in Poetl, and a protected 1st.
Butler is not Kawhi, but he's not that much less than him either, and probably more likely to stay on the team that trades for him than Kawhi
I think you are over galuing Butler. Minnesota gave up Lavine, Dunn and a pick that ended up being Wendall Carter Jr. That was with 2 guaranteed years on Butler's contract. If traded at the deadline, Minny isn't getting anywhere close to that.
it was Markkanen
Yup. You're right.
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exactly why people need to stop believing what you see on the internet.. I didn’t have no [dang] meeting today... its tomorrow.. i wonder what else people write and people believe hmmm...
https://twitter.com/jimmybutler/status/1041874339270803456?s=21
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exactly why people need to stop believing what you see on the internet.. I didn’t have no [dang] meeting today... its tomorrow.. i wonder what else people write and people believe hmmm...
https://twitter.com/jimmybutler/status/1041874339270803456?s=21
this is just silly. don't believe what you read because we aren't meeting on Monday. We are in fact meeting on Tuesday.
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https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/1043282553669603328
Kyrie Irving references playing for the #Celtics for "the next few years," says he hasn't spoken with Jimmy Butler about playing together since 2016, he believes the C's can beat the #Warriors in a 7-game series, and he's healthy.
Kyrie Irving says he's aware he's been linked to Jimmy Butler in rumors regarding a mutual desire to play together in New York He says he's had no such discussions with Butler, and the last time he talked to Butler at length was when they both played with USA Basketball in 2016.
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In this excellent piece by Jackie MacMullen, Kyrie Irving says he hasn’t spoken to Jimmy Butler at length since 2016.
https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/1043286090273234944
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https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/1043282553669603328
Kyrie Irving references playing for the #Celtics for "the next few years," says he hasn't spoken with Jimmy Butler about playing together since 2016, he believes the C's can beat the #Warriors in a 7-game series, and he's healthy.
Kyrie Irving says he's aware he's been linked to Jimmy Butler in rumors regarding a mutual desire to play together in New York He says he's had no such discussions with Butler, and the last time he talked to Butler at length was when they both played with USA Basketball in 2016.
Suck it Kyrie haters!
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https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/1043282553669603328
Kyrie Irving references playing for the #Celtics for "the next few years," says he hasn't spoken with Jimmy Butler about playing together since 2016, he believes the C's can beat the #Warriors in a 7-game series, and he's healthy.
Kyrie Irving says he's aware he's been linked to Jimmy Butler in rumors regarding a mutual desire to play together in New York He says he's had no such discussions with Butler, and the last time he talked to Butler at length was when they both played with USA Basketball in 2016.
Suck it Kyrie haters!
Yeah! Suck it NY!!
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I have been saying for months that this speculation of Kyrie going to NY to team up with Butler was baseless and clickbait. I also have been saying for months that if Danny thought Kyrie was going to leave he would have traded him this summer.
Obviously, Kyrie let Danny know he would be here long term but just never said anything to the media. He did give up his trade kicker of about $3 million to come here. You don't give up that type of money, while coming into a contending team where you will be the man if you are going to leave in 2 years. I thought that point was fairly obvious.
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https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1043287652609474560
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Love when you hear he has not spoken to Butler since 16! How far off the edge has the current media and news coverage gone in everything that touches our lives.There is no doubt in my mind that you no longer need to be honest or credible to work in the media.
I could honestly see Kyrie, Tatum, Brown, Hayward and maybe Horford’s numbers hanging from the rafters someday..leaving fame, tradition, money is not that easy. Embrace what you have and go out and get it done for the next decade plus...3 banners min
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The Kyrie haters club will go into mourning over his comments.
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Some choice comments from the MacMullen article, seems like he's really locked into the idea of winning here. A couple other interesting points form the article: apparently he went vacationing in the Bahamas with Tatum. And he mentions Jaylen Brown first as he's listing the players who make him want to stay here. Jaylen Brown, AKA the younger version of Butler.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24756416/kyrie-irving-talks-boston-celtics
Irving said he's aware that he's been linked to Jimmy Butler in persistent free-agent rumors regarding a mutual desire to play together in New York, but he said he's had no such discussions with Butler. In fact, he said, the last time he talked to Butler at length was when they were both playing with USA Basketball, and the two engaged in a spitballing session along with Durant and Cousins about what the future held for each of them.
"And that," Irving laughed, "was in 2016."
"Who wouldn't be a part of this?" Irving said, gesturing to Boston's new practice facility. "Who wouldn't want to be a part of Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum and Al Horford and Gordon Hayward? People keep saying, 'Why won't he commit to Boston?'
"Well, there are financial implications involved."
If Irving had signed an extension with Boston this past summer, he would have potentially left more than $80 million on the table than if he waits and re-signs with the Celtics next summer.
Last season, Irving gutted through persistent soreness and irritation caused by hardware from a 2015 surgery to repair a broken kneecap. He was forced to shut it down in March, underwent two additional surgeries, then spent much of his offseason methodically fine-tuning that left knee to the point where he believes he is the healthiest and strongest he's been in three years
"I'm moving completely differently," Irving told ESPN on Friday, just days away from the official start of training camp. "I've worked on my strength and have a heightened awareness of what my body needs on a day-to-day basis. I spent all summer trying get my left leg to catch up with my right. And it's there."
"Our pickup games are next level," Irving said. "I mean, next level. You can't believe what we're doing out there. We can't wait to get started."
He claimed to have a confidence in his lower body that simply did not exist during his abbreviated 2017-18 season.
"Now when I go to the rim," Irving explained, "I'm able to maintain my strength and athleticism, so when I get under there I have all sorts of options. No limitations. I can pick my spots. It's a lot better."
Pressed if he would be disappointed if they didn't win a championship, Irving responded, "Can we beat Golden State in a seven-game series? Yes."
What makes him so sure?
"Because of who we have," Irving answered, "and what we're establishing here, not just for this season, but for hopefully for the next few years, something that's pretty special.
"I've played against Golden State in three straight Finals (2015-17) -- two that I was able to participate in -- and seeing them evolve, with the talent they have, and then adding DeMarcus Cousins [this offseason], it's like 'OK, the whole league is on notice.'
"But there's one factor that they're aware of, and I'm aware of, and that's that I've seen them up close. I've played them so many times. We've gone in a seven-game series [when he was in Cleveland], so I know what it takes.
"Now, how do I communicate to our guys that this is the top-tier team, and we have to grow immensely in the next six months to beat them consistently? Not just one game, not just two, but in a seven-game series, because they're so dang great. They're a powerhouse."
"The drive for greatness, the drive to win a championship, that's all I care about," he said. "The rest of it doesn't matter."
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Some choice comments from the MacMullen article, seems like he's really locked into the idea of winning here. A couple other interesting points form the article: apparently he went vacationing in the Bahamas with Tatum. And he mentions Jaylen Brown first as he's listing the players who make him want to stay here. Jaylen Brown, AKA the younger version of Butler.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24756416/kyrie-irving-talks-boston-celtics
Irving said he's aware that he's been linked to Jimmy Butler in persistent free-agent rumors regarding a mutual desire to play together in New York, but he said he's had no such discussions with Butler. In fact, he said, the last time he talked to Butler at length was when they were both playing with USA Basketball, and the two engaged in a spitballing session along with Durant and Cousins about what the future held for each of them.
"And that," Irving laughed, "was in 2016."
"Who wouldn't be a part of this?" Irving said, gesturing to Boston's new practice facility. "Who wouldn't want to be a part of Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum and Al Horford and Gordon Hayward? People keep saying, 'Why won't he commit to Boston?'
"Well, there are financial implications involved."
If Irving had signed an extension with Boston this past summer, he would have potentially left more than $80 million on the table than if he waits and re-signs with the Celtics next summer.
Last season, Irving gutted through persistent soreness and irritation caused by hardware from a 2015 surgery to repair a broken kneecap. He was forced to shut it down in March, underwent two additional surgeries, then spent much of his offseason methodically fine-tuning that left knee to the point where he believes he is the healthiest and strongest he's been in three years
"I'm moving completely differently," Irving told ESPN on Friday, just days away from the official start of training camp. "I've worked on my strength and have a heightened awareness of what my body needs on a day-to-day basis. I spent all summer trying get my left leg to catch up with my right. And it's there."
"Our pickup games are next level," Irving said. "I mean, next level. You can't believe what we're doing out there. We can't wait to get started."
He claimed to have a confidence in his lower body that simply did not exist during his abbreviated 2017-18 season.
"Now when I go to the rim," Irving explained, "I'm able to maintain my strength and athleticism, so when I get under there I have all sorts of options. No limitations. I can pick my spots. It's a lot better."
Pressed if he would be disappointed if they didn't win a championship, Irving responded, "Can we beat Golden State in a seven-game series? Yes."
What makes him so sure?
"Because of who we have," Irving answered, "and what we're establishing here, not just for this season, but for hopefully for the next few years, something that's pretty special.
"I've played against Golden State in three straight Finals (2015-17) -- two that I was able to participate in -- and seeing them evolve, with the talent they have, and then adding DeMarcus Cousins [this offseason], it's like 'OK, the whole league is on notice.'
"But there's one factor that they're aware of, and I'm aware of, and that's that I've seen them up close. I've played them so many times. We've gone in a seven-game series [when he was in Cleveland], so I know what it takes.
"Now, how do I communicate to our guys that this is the top-tier team, and we have to grow immensely in the next six months to beat them consistently? Not just one game, not just two, but in a seven-game series, because they're so dang great. They're a powerhouse."
"The drive for greatness, the drive to win a championship, that's all I care about," he said. "The rest of it doesn't matter."
The concept that Kyrie was limited in his ability to attack the ring is almost mind-boggling. How unstoppable in the paint can a slim 6'3" guard be??
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Some choice comments from the MacMullen article, seems like he's really locked into the idea of winning here. A couple other interesting points form the article: apparently he went vacationing in the Bahamas with Tatum. And he mentions Jaylen Brown first as he's listing the players who make him want to stay here. Jaylen Brown, AKA the younger version of Butler.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24756416/kyrie-irving-talks-boston-celtics
Irving said he's aware that he's been linked to Jimmy Butler in persistent free-agent rumors regarding a mutual desire to play together in New York, but he said he's had no such discussions with Butler. In fact, he said, the last time he talked to Butler at length was when they were both playing with USA Basketball, and the two engaged in a spitballing session along with Durant and Cousins about what the future held for each of them.
"And that," Irving laughed, "was in 2016."
"Who wouldn't be a part of this?" Irving said, gesturing to Boston's new practice facility. "Who wouldn't want to be a part of Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum and Al Horford and Gordon Hayward? People keep saying, 'Why won't he commit to Boston?'
"Well, there are financial implications involved."
If Irving had signed an extension with Boston this past summer, he would have potentially left more than $80 million on the table than if he waits and re-signs with the Celtics next summer.
Last season, Irving gutted through persistent soreness and irritation caused by hardware from a 2015 surgery to repair a broken kneecap. He was forced to shut it down in March, underwent two additional surgeries, then spent much of his offseason methodically fine-tuning that left knee to the point where he believes he is the healthiest and strongest he's been in three years
"I'm moving completely differently," Irving told ESPN on Friday, just days away from the official start of training camp. "I've worked on my strength and have a heightened awareness of what my body needs on a day-to-day basis. I spent all summer trying get my left leg to catch up with my right. And it's there."
"Our pickup games are next level," Irving said. "I mean, next level. You can't believe what we're doing out there. We can't wait to get started."
He claimed to have a confidence in his lower body that simply did not exist during his abbreviated 2017-18 season.
"Now when I go to the rim," Irving explained, "I'm able to maintain my strength and athleticism, so when I get under there I have all sorts of options. No limitations. I can pick my spots. It's a lot better."
Pressed if he would be disappointed if they didn't win a championship, Irving responded, "Can we beat Golden State in a seven-game series? Yes."
What makes him so sure?
"Because of who we have," Irving answered, "and what we're establishing here, not just for this season, but for hopefully for the next few years, something that's pretty special.
"I've played against Golden State in three straight Finals (2015-17) -- two that I was able to participate in -- and seeing them evolve, with the talent they have, and then adding DeMarcus Cousins [this offseason], it's like 'OK, the whole league is on notice.'
"But there's one factor that they're aware of, and I'm aware of, and that's that I've seen them up close. I've played them so many times. We've gone in a seven-game series [when he was in Cleveland], so I know what it takes.
"Now, how do I communicate to our guys that this is the top-tier team, and we have to grow immensely in the next six months to beat them consistently? Not just one game, not just two, but in a seven-game series, because they're so dang great. They're a powerhouse."
"The drive for greatness, the drive to win a championship, that's all I care about," he said. "The rest of it doesn't matter."
The concept that Kyrie was limited in his ability to attack the ring is almost mind-boggling. How unstoppable in the paint can a slim 6'3" guard be??
Yeah, that is good to hear. If can take his game up yet another notch that will be... very nice.
I also like how he talks about seeing how good the Warriors are close up, and how he knows how good his team will need to be to beat them. IMO he realizes the potential around him, and that this is the only team with a real shot to dethrone them.