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Title: The Greek connection
Post by: rollie mass on June 20, 2018, 08:08:19 AM
 Draft Yanniss's brother This is just a probing move to attract Yanniss someday,The Greek community in Boston has a proud history  going back to Michael Dukakis.It may stimulate some future move.
Just a thought to placate all those "we missed Yanniss critics".
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: Alleyoopster on June 20, 2018, 08:27:17 AM
Unless he's gone through a miraculous transformation over the past couple months it appears he doesn't have NBA talent. And, Giannis is signed for the next few years. Thus, he's not going anywhere soon.

Even given what I wrote, I'm all for fostering brotherly love karma with the Celtics and promoting good local PR. Good idea to keep him in mind. Maybe offer him a 10 day contract or a D-League signing.   

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/nba-draft-giannis-antetokounmpos-brother-declares-after-averaging-5-2-points-at-dayton/
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: ederson on June 20, 2018, 08:41:29 AM
I don't think he is better than the older brother Thanasis.

And Thanasis isn't good enough for the NBA.... I'd keep an eye on the youngest brother though
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: gouki88 on June 20, 2018, 08:58:08 AM
Just wait until Alex Antetokounmpo comes out. Will likely be better than Kostas and Thanasis (if his HS projections are anything to go off)
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: timpiker on June 20, 2018, 10:08:08 AM
Don't know or care to know the names of the brothers but the one that played for the UD Flyers this year...hell no.  Not impressed at all.  Great athlete, stupid basketball player.
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: Alleyoopster on June 20, 2018, 04:07:04 PM
Rollie, a TP for thinking outside the box. 
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 04:37:03 PM
Draft Yanniss's brother This is just a probing move to attract Yanniss someday,The Greek community in Boston has a proud history  going back to Michael Dukakis.It may stimulate some future move.
Just a thought to placate all those "we missed Yanniss critics".

I made a thread that people seemed very sour on Kostas. After reviewing film, and watching his highlights, he just is plain out terrible. Like awful. I mean he shot 13% from 3, and average 5.2 PPG...

Also rollie I love your posts, but dude it's Giannis.

Giannis.

Giannis.

Lol, sorry it just irked me.

Also I think Giannis really loves the Bucks. We'll see what happens, but a long time before he leaves/unless demands a trade.
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 20, 2018, 05:29:17 PM
i love when Greeks make pizza.
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: Alleyoopster on June 20, 2018, 06:10:50 PM
Draft Yanniss's brother This is just a probing move to attract Yanniss someday,The Greek community in Boston has a proud history  going back to Michael Dukakis.It may stimulate some future move.
Just a thought to placate all those "we missed Yanniss critics".

I made a thread that people seemed very sour on Kostas. After reviewing film, and watching his highlights, he just is plain out terrible. Like awful. I mean he shot 13% from 3, and average 5.2 PPG...

Also rollie I love your posts, but dude it's Giannis.

Giannis.

Giannis.

Lol, sorry it just irked me.

Also I think Giannis really loves the Bucks. We'll see what happens, but a long time before he leaves/unless demands a trade.

Actually, being of Greek decent (second generation) I find the English translated spelling of Giannis somewhat confusing bordering on irksome.

Most often, the translation of his name is spelled Yianis or Yiannis rather than a Giannis. Likely, in Greece he uses two n's in his name. It's not a wrong translation by any means. Generally, if I saw a name spelled Giannis I might think it was Italian or something else.

If G is used in front of _ianis, then it's more commonly used as a last name...like Gianis.

I'm not from Greece maybe it's pronounced and/or spelled slightly differently than the typical Yianis and that's why uses G instead of Y to front his name.

Anyone with more know-how is welcomed to correct or clarify. 
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: greece66 on June 20, 2018, 07:15:26 PM
Draft Yanniss's brother This is just a probing move to attract Yanniss someday,The Greek community in Boston has a proud history  going back to Michael Dukakis.It may stimulate some future move.
Just a thought to placate all those "we missed Yanniss critics".

I made a thread that people seemed very sour on Kostas. After reviewing film, and watching his highlights, he just is plain out terrible. Like awful. I mean he shot 13% from 3, and average 5.2 PPG...

Also rollie I love your posts, but dude it's Giannis.

Giannis.

Giannis.

Lol, sorry it just irked me.

Also I think Giannis really loves the Bucks. We'll see what happens, but a long time before he leaves/unless demands a trade.


Actually, being of Greek decent (second generation) I find the English translated spelling of Giannis somewhat confusing bordering on irksome.

Most often, the translation of his name is spelled Yianis or Yiannis rather than a Giannis. Likely, in Greece he uses two n's in his name. It's not a wrong translation by any means. Generally, if I saw a name spelled Giannis I might think it was Italian or something else.

If G is used in front of _ianis, then it's more commonly used as a last name...like Gianis.

I'm not from Greece maybe it's pronounced and/or spelled slightly differently than the typical Yianis and that's why uses G instead of Y to front his name.

Anyone with more know-how is welcomed to correct or clarify.

I fully agree. Giannis' name and surname have been based on the official Romanization of the Greek alphabet used by all Greek public services. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Greek#Modern_Greek

Which tbh I find awfully bad, esp. when compared with how much better job other countries (eg the Russian Federation) have done at this.

My own name is transliterated as Georgios, which is ****n awful, it's not pronounced the right way in any major European language, not just English (with the possible exception of German). Yorgo is much closer to how it is actually pronounced, similarly to how Giannis is closer to Yani, but try explain to ppl that you are still talking of the same name.

Irksome indeed.

Thanks to rollie for starting a Greek themed thread.
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: kozlodoev on June 20, 2018, 07:26:54 PM
My own name is transliterated as Georgios, which is ****n awful, it's not pronounced the right way in any major European language, not just English (with the possible exception of German). Yorgo is much closer to how it is actually pronounced, similarly to how Giannis is closer to Yani, but try explain to ppl that you are still talking of the same name.
What, you don't like being a Georgius? :P

Also, the whole world buys gyros and has no idea they're eating "yeero" ;)

In short, sorry you're screwed, but it serves you well for making the rest of the world put up with your horrible alphabet (I kid, Bulgarian isn't much better in that respect :P).
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: greece66 on June 20, 2018, 07:49:58 PM
My own name is transliterated as Georgios, which is ****n awful, it's not pronounced the right way in any major European language, not just English (with the possible exception of German). Yorgo is much closer to how it is actually pronounced, similarly to how Giannis is closer to Yani, but try explain to ppl that you are still talking of the same name.
What, you don't like being a Georgius? :P

Also, the whole world buys gyros and has no idea they're eating "yeero" ;)

In short, sorry you're screwed, but it serves you well for making the rest of the world put up with your horrible alphabet (I kid, Bulgarian isn't much better in that respect :P).

and that's the other thing since you mentioned it. most times Georgios is misspelled as Georgius or Giorgios. Even Americans (who in  my experience are very attentive on getting your name right) do that mistake most times. Kkudos to beatla btw, he got it from day 1.

Yorgo, Yani etc is so much simpler...

Gyros is kind of passable  :P I imagine having the epiphany that gyros and gyroscope should have something in common is worth it  :P
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 07:55:22 PM
I apologize then. Thank you guys for informing me of my ignorance.

So question then what is your Greek name and do you guys normally go by the American translation of your name when you live in America, or Greek origin when visiting America?
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: bellerephon on June 20, 2018, 08:28:40 PM
In ancient Greek the letter gamma made roughly the same sound as the Latin letter 'g', which is why the Romans transliterated gamma with 'g'. Pronunciation has changed a lot over time, but the tradition of using 'g' for gamma in languages that use the Latin alphabet has persisted.
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: Jvalin on June 20, 2018, 08:45:48 PM
I apologize then. Thank you guys for informing me of my ignorance.

So question then what is your Greek name and do you guys normally go by the American translation of your name when you live in America, or Greek origin when visiting America?
Going by the American translation is definitely the easiest solution, so that's what I do.

For instance Giannis --> John

Georgios --> George

Haris (my name) --> Harry

etc.

If it makes it easier for people to pronounce my name, that's fine by me. No big difference either way.
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: PAOBoston on June 20, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
i love when Greeks make pizza.
Fact. Greek style pan pizza is the best.

Also,  Cs blog seems to have a decent Greek representation!

I think the ship has sailed on the Antetokounbo bros. Giannis is and will be the best of the bunch. Thanasi was on PAO on Greece last time I checked but he's not really that good. Kosta should have stayed at school. Alexandros is probably best shot in getting a solid player but he's like 15.

Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: greece66 on June 20, 2018, 09:06:02 PM
i love when Greeks make pizza.
Fact. Greek style pan pizza is the best.

Also,  Cs blog seems to have a decent Greek representation!

I think the ship has sailed on the Antetokounbo bros. Giannis is and will be the best of the bunch. Thanasi was on PAO on Greece last time I checked but he's not really that good. Kosta should have stayed at school. Alexandros is probably best shot in getting a solid player but he's like 15.

Yep, Thanasi is nnowhere near an NBA player skillwise. Even in the Greek championship he is seen as a defense specialist,he hardly contributes offensively.
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: kozlodoev on June 20, 2018, 10:04:25 PM
Going by the American translation is definitely the easiest solution, so that's what I do.

For instance Giannis --> John

Georgios --> George

Haris (my name) --> Harry

etc.
Yes, but what about Panagiotis?
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: Ogaju on June 20, 2018, 10:06:03 PM
So much for Giannis can anyone tell me how the heck they changed a Yoruba name ADETOKUNBOH to Greek Atentokumpo????
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: Alleyoopster on June 20, 2018, 10:13:23 PM
I apologize then. Thank you guys for informing me of my ignorance.

So question then what is your Greek name and do you guys normally go by the American translation of your name when you live in America, or Greek origin when visiting America?

Realize this question was basically already answered. Thus, some of what I've written below is redundant.

No need to apologize. The English translation of his name is somewhat confounding to me and others.

I believe Americans pronounce his name Gee arn us. Typically, it's pronounced Yia knes (with a long e sound). And, is spelled Yianis or Yiannis, not Giannis.

More commonly you don't hear the "s" at the end of the name. Rather, it's said, 'Yiani'.

Since I don't read Greek news sources, I'm not sure if the 's' is left out in newsprint or not, or simply not pronounced. My feeling is it's written, not always pronounced. (I could be wrong here. if anyone knows please correct me.)

I know in America, Greeks more commonly say "Yiani", not "Yianis".

To answer your question.
The name Yianis is commonly translated into the name John in English. Most first and second generation Greeks use John rather than Yiani(s). However, it's not uncommon for first generation Greeks to be called Yiani when conversing within the Greek community. Some second or third generation Greeks use Yianis, but I believe it's relatively rare. 

Native born Greeks often go by Yianis instead of John. Thus, we have Giannis Antetokounmpo.

Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: Jvalin on June 20, 2018, 10:56:45 PM
Going by the American translation is definitely the easiest solution, so that's what I do.

For instance Giannis --> John

Georgios --> George

Haris (my name) --> Harry

etc.
Yes, but what about Panagiotis?
;D ;D

I guess they can go by Panos. Certainly easier to pronounce than Panagiotis.

Thing is, many of those names are just formal versions of everyday names. Nobody uses them in everyday life.

For instance, Ioannis is the formal name for Giannis (=John). Likewise, Georgios is the formal name for Giorgos (=George). Nobody will actually call you Georgios. It's just what's written on your ID.

I guess Panagiotis/Panos is an exception. Plenty of people are opting for Panagiotis instead of Panos.
Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: greece66 on June 20, 2018, 11:31:16 PM
I apologize then. Thank you guys for informing me of my ignorance.

So question then what is your Greek name and do you guys normally go by the American translation of your name when you live in America, or Greek origin when visiting America?

Realize this question was basically already answered. Thus, some of what I've written below is redundant.

No need to apologize. The English translation of his name is somewhat confounding to me and others.

I believe Americans pronounce his name Gee arn us. Typically, it's pronounced Yia knes (with a long e sound). And, is spelled Yianis or Yiannis, not Giannis.

More commonly you don't hear the "s" at the end of the name. Rather, it's said, 'Yiani'.

Since I don't read Greek news sources, I'm not sure if the 's' is left out in newsprint or not, or simply not pronounced. My feeling is it's written, not always pronounced. (I could be wrong here. if anyone knows please correct me.)

I know in America, Greeks more commonly say "Yiani", not "Yianis".

To answer your question.
The name Yianis is commonly translated into the name John in English. Most first and second generation Greeks use John rather than Yiani(s). However, it's not uncommon for first generation Greeks to be called Yiani when conversing within the Greek community. Some second or third generation Greeks use Yianis, but I believe it's relatively rare. 

Native born Greeks often go by Yianis instead of John. Thus, we have Giannis Antetokounmpo.

The final s  is a "case marker".  So both forms with and without s appear, both in written and oral speech, depending on the role of the word in the sentence.

Title: Re: The Greek connection
Post by: konkmv on June 20, 2018, 11:41:29 PM
I think kostas could join his brother and go play on greece for pao... if he develops his game after 2-3 year he may try again in the nba.... i like sloukas and papapetrou as back up players from greece