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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 19, 2018, 11:55:11 AM
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/underestimated23835835/2018-nba-draft-trades-best-deals-see
One included is Porzingis and Noah for Kyrie and the 27th.
Not only is Kyrie the best player in that trade, but the Celtics are taking back a terrible contract, the Celtics have to give up their 1st rounder, and they are getting back a player with bigger health concerns (Porzingis).
The ongoing campaign to lower Kyrie's value around the NBA by media outlets is real.
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Hey the guy who thought that Noah would put us over the top might get his wish. ???
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/underestimated23835835/2018-nba-draft-trades-best-deals-see
One included is Porzingis and Noah for Kyrie and the 27th.
Not only is Kyrie the best player in that trade, but the Celtics are taking back a terrible contract, the Celtics have to give up their 1st rounder, and they are getting back a player with bigger health concerns (Porzingis).
The ongoing campaign to lower Kyrie's value around the NBA by media outlets is real.
Yeah not really surprised to be honest. The Knicks have absolutely nothing going for them. And they couldn't even net a top 5 pick with how horribly awful their team became, even when KP was alive and running.
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Six best NBA draft trades we'd like to see https://es.pn/2I5ba0m
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The Kyrie trade is Kyrie and 27 for Porzingis and Noah. Seems like a very strange trade for both teams but the thought of the Zinger next to Brown and Tatum for the next decade is appealing.
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Yeah, this article is def a reach. I don't see why BOS is worried about Kyrie resigning. They just built a top 4 team with him as the leader. They are much closer to winning than the NYK.
Kyrie is way better than Rozier. He's an established star. Porzingis could be a star. He also might not be.
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Can someone please explain to me why there are so many trade Kyrie Irving ideas? Moranis, this has nothing to do with you, as I understand your just posting a link to an ESPN article. However, the Celtics finally landed an elite player n his prime, and all I see are trade rumors surrounding Kyrie. Why, just because he won't give a definitive answer to his free agency question? Personally, I just think he's having fun with the media and fans, along the lines of his flat Earth trolling. As long as Kyrie, Danny and ownership have a clear understanding of what is going on concerning his free agency, then I could care less.
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Trading Kyrie seems to come up in a number of threads. I think Boston only trades Kyrie is you have some question about resigning and/or some concern with his knee. At this point, I don't think any are known issues so I don't think he is going to be traded.
If you were going to trade Kyrie, Porzingis is an interesting target although less so now that I understand that he is out at least through Jan 2019 and maybe longer.
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Can someone please explain to me why there are so many trade Kyrie Irving ideas? Moranis, this has nothing to do with you, as I understand your just posting a link to an ESPN article. However, the Celtics finally landed an elite player n his prime, and all I see are trade rumors surrounding Kyrie. Why, just because he won't give a definitive answer to his free agency question? Personally, I just think he's having fun with the media and fans, along the lines of his flat Earth trolling. As long as Kyrie, Danny and ownership have a clear understanding of what is going on concerning his free agency, then I could care less.
You just answered your own question. Plus, people start panicking when they hear or don't hear a definitive answer. Also, DA is known to trade anyone so if he spoke with Kyrie and his reps and they didn't give him a definitive answer either so he may be open to trading him. I HIGHLY doubt it tho. Kyrie fits like a glove on this team and BSPN is FAKE NEWS unless it's from Schefter or Woj. Keep it in your pants people. It's going to be a fun 2018/2019 season.
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No thanks.
Don't see why such the rush by some writers & posters to blow this up a bit. We still haven't seen what Irving/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford & company is capable of. People thought this past season was fun? Wait until '18-19 when that core is healthy.
Too many people freaking out on the Irving extension thing. It would be a terrible business decision on his part to extend right now. That's why he's not extended yet. Financially, it'd be dumb. Probably playing a big role is this rush to trade him out the door. .
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Can someone please explain to me why there are so many trade Kyrie Irving ideas?
Because it's fun. No one (except Cs fans) gets excited about Terry Rozier trade suggestions. You need a superstar to get a reader's attention, and Kyrie's a good choice because it's "easy" to see the Cs trading him, since no one knows for sure where he'll be in two years.
Mike
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No way Danny takes back Noah's contract. Kills our flexibility in the 2nd year.
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Only dumpster organizations are completely blindsided by players leaving in free agency. There are signs, and they're usually a mile long. If your star leaves in free agency, you weren't paying attention, or you knew it but decided to roll the dice.
Can anyone here explain to me why they think that Kyrie is going to leave?
- The team is amazing, but he's still the guy
- He'll get a larger contract
- He has a great coach and FO
- There are no prima donnas on the roster
Someone please show me 1 concrete piece of evidence that points to him not staying next year.
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Only dumpster organizations are completely blindsided by players leaving in free agency. There are signs, and they're usually a mile long. If your star leaves in free agency, you weren't paying attention, or you knew it but decided to roll the dice.
Can anyone here explain to me why they think that Kyrie is going to leave?
- The team is amazing, but he's still the guy
- He'll get a larger contract
- He has a great coach and FO
- There are no prima donnas on the roster
Someone please show me 1 concrete piece of evidence that points to him not staying next year.
There's nothing concrete, but he's been flimsy when asked, not showing any real commitment to the team. Not showing up for G7 was a bad look, in spite of the explanation. He's already forced a trade once because he didn't want to play with LBJ which is, in itself, strange. He's in love with this player empowerment, being able to control your destination, as he said on the recent podcast.
Like I said, nothing concrete, but he doesn't come across as a person who values loyalty, longevity, Celtics tradition, or his legacy as a Celtic. He values being great at basketball and using his value to retain a semblance of control, paraphrasing him. So people hedge towards moving him, rather than letting him walk.
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ESPN pushing the Kyrie-Leonard trade hard...Some sort of update tonight...
Do not trade Kyrie.
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All of those trades are awful. I don't understand how these people have jobs.
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All of those trades are awful. I don't understand how these people have jobs.
Clicks. Page clicks.
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Only dumpster organizations are completely blindsided by players leaving in free agency. There are signs, and they're usually a mile long. If your star leaves in free agency, you weren't paying attention, or you knew it but decided to roll the dice.
Can anyone here explain to me why they think that Kyrie is going to leave?
- The team is amazing, but he's still the guy
- He'll get a larger contract
- He has a great coach and FO
- There are no prima donnas on the roster
Someone please show me 1 concrete piece of evidence that points to him not staying next year.
There's nothing concrete, but he's been flimsy when asked, not showing any real commitment to the team. Not showing up for G7 was a bad look, in spite of the explanation. He's already forced a trade once because he didn't want to play with LBJ which is, in itself, strange. He's in love with this player empowerment, being able to control your destination, as he said on the recent podcast.
Like I said, nothing concrete, but he doesn't come across as a person who values loyalty, longevity, Celtics tradition, or his legacy as a Celtic. He values being great at basketball and using his value to retain a semblance of control, paraphrasing him. So people hedge towards moving him, rather than letting him walk.
Agreed on all counts.
Would you like your 50 TPs in any particular increments (e.g., 2 per day)?
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Another draft nugget......the @celtics are aggressively pursuing a trade up and are targeting Luka Doncic. There is some competition from other teams looking to move up for him too.
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Only dumpster organizations are completely blindsided by players leaving in free agency. There are signs, and they're usually a mile long. If your star leaves in free agency, you weren't paying attention, or you knew it but decided to roll the dice.
Can anyone here explain to me why they think that Kyrie is going to leave?
- The team is amazing, but he's still the guy
- He'll get a larger contract
- He has a great coach and FO
- There are no prima donnas on the roster
Someone please show me 1 concrete piece of evidence that points to him not staying next year.
There's nothing concrete, but he's been flimsy when asked, not showing any real commitment to the team. Not showing up for G7 was a bad look, in spite of the explanation. He's already forced a trade once because he didn't want to play with LBJ which is, in itself, strange. He's in love with this player empowerment, being able to control your destination, as he said on the recent podcast.
Like I said, nothing concrete, but he doesn't come across as a person who values loyalty, longevity, Celtics tradition, or his legacy as a Celtic. He values being great at basketball and using his value to retain a semblance of control, paraphrasing him. So people hedge towards moving him, rather than letting him walk.
Forcing a trade to not want to play with LeBron James is not strange at all. When your team's playbook is "get LeBron the ball," I can see how it can be boring to someone who is not a role player... and he forced a trade. He didn't leave for nothing. That means that he has at least 1 data point that suggests that if he's unhappy, he makes it known. Since we're guessing at his MO, it seems to me that he's the kind of player to take max money at each stage and force a trade if he's unhappy. In that case, even if you think he's not a loyal person (not sure where you're getting that from), if we sign him and then he later wants a trade, he's still an asset that can get stuff back. Either way, The NBA is a business. He's not going to get a tattoo of the Celtics because just like he could eventually be unhappy here, Ainge could trade him. So when reporters ask him stupid questions like "are you going to take a contract extension and leave millions of dollars on the table for no reason," don't be surprised that he gives a business oriented response. In the age of instant media, if there were a problem, you'd know. There is no problem... this is just clickbait, or fake news.
LeBron is the guy you described. He won't request a trade because he doesn't want to gut his future team. He'll just leave you for nothing.
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Another draft nugget......the @celtics are aggressively pursuing a trade up and are targeting Luka Doncic. There is some competition from other teams looking to move up for him too.
I'm going to miss all this nonsense later in the summer. Somebody remind me, what do we do around here in August?
Mike
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Probasketballdraft
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Another draft nugget......the @celtics are aggressively pursuing a trade up and are targeting Luka Doncic. There is some competition from other teams looking to move up for him too.
I'm going to miss all this nonsense later in the summer. Somebody remind me, what do we do around here in August?
Mike
In the past, we've seen egos destroyed & people bicker over the CB Draft......
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Another draft nugget......the @celtics are aggressively pursuing a trade up and are targeting Luka Doncic. There is some competition from other teams looking to move up for him too.
I'm going to miss all this nonsense later in the summer. Somebody remind me, what do we do around here in August?
Mike
In the past, we've seen egos destroyed & people bicker over the CB Draft......
Who is @probballdraft and have they ever been right about anything? Any credibility?
I mean, don't get me wrong. I really like Doncic, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Espn has already said Hayward is off the table in trades
And I have not seen woj or anyone say philly and Celtics were options
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Another draft nugget......the @celtics are aggressively pursuing a trade up and are targeting Luka Doncic. There is some competition from other teams looking to move up for him too.
I'm going to miss all this nonsense later in the summer. Somebody remind me, what do we do around here in August?
Mike
In the past, we've seen egos destroyed & people bicker over the CB Draft......
Who is @probballdraft and have they ever been right about anything? Any credibility?
I mean, don't get me wrong. I really like Doncic, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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I think he’s mostly a volume tweeter who trades in getting something right occasionally because when you say enough things that aren’t completely out of the realm of possibility you land in the right place once or twice.
But he’s got some credible basketball journalists as follows (Zach Lowe, Eric Pincus), so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Six best NBA draft trades we'd like to see https://es.pn/2I5ba0m
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The Kyrie trade is Kyrie and 27 for Porzingis and Noah. Seems like a very strange trade for both teams but the thought of the Zinger next to Brown and Tatum for the next decade is appealing.
Is it? The guy just blew out his knee and there’s a decent chance his athleticism will never be the same. It’s a devastating injury.
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Another draft nugget......the @celtics are aggressively pursuing a trade up and are targeting Luka Doncic. There is some competition from other teams looking to move up for him too.
I'm going to miss all this nonsense later in the summer. Somebody remind me, what do we do around here in August?
Mike
In the past, we've seen egos destroyed & people bicker over the CB Draft......
Who is @probballdraft and have they ever been right about anything? Any credibility?
I mean, don't get me wrong. I really like Doncic, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
sheridanhoops.com
I think he’s mostly a volume tweeter who trades in getting something right occasionally because when you say enough things that aren’t completely out of the realm of possibility you land in the right place once or twice.
But he’s got some credible basketball journalists as follows (Zach Lowe, Eric Pincus), so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Adorable.
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Probasketballdraft
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Another draft nugget......the @celtics are aggressively pursuing a trade up and are targeting Luka Doncic. There is some competition from other teams looking to move up for him too.
I'm going to miss all this nonsense later in the summer. Somebody remind me, what do we do around here in August?
Mike
In the past, we've seen egos destroyed & people bicker over the CB Draft......
Who is @probballdraft and have they ever been right about anything? Any credibility?
I mean, don't get me wrong. I really like Doncic, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
sheridanhoops.com
I think he’s mostly a volume tweeter who trades in getting something right occasionally because when you say enough things that aren’t completely out of the realm of possibility you land in the right place once or twice.
But he’s got some credible basketball journalists as follows (Zach Lowe, Eric Pincus), so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Those sources may know something. It could be a burner account for a notable person in a NBA organization.
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Probasketballdraft
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Another draft nugget......the @celtics are aggressively pursuing a trade up and are targeting Luka Doncic. There is some competition from other teams looking to move up for him too.
I'm going to miss all this nonsense later in the summer. Somebody remind me, what do we do around here in August?
Mike
In the past, we've seen egos destroyed & people bicker over the CB Draft......
Who is @probballdraft and have they ever been right about anything? Any credibility?
I mean, don't get me wrong. I really like Doncic, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
sheridanhoops.com
I think he’s mostly a volume tweeter who trades in getting something right occasionally because when you say enough things that aren’t completely out of the realm of possibility you land in the right place once or twice.
But he’s got some credible basketball journalists as follows (Zach Lowe, Eric Pincus), so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Those sources may know something. It could be a burner account for a notable person in a NBA organization.
they know absolutely nothing. If they did it would have been corrobated by Woj or anyone else that the sixers are in play. They’re not