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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Roy H. on June 16, 2018, 07:28:38 AM
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Does this team win a title, assuming health?
Horford / Baynes
Tatum / Theis / Ojeleye
Kawhi
Hayward
Kyrie / Smart
Gone are Brown, Morris and Rozier.
Assume we fill out the roster with the Taxpayer’s MLE and vet minimum deals.
Can that team win it all? How do they match up with the Warriors?
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I gotta think yes. That bench is real weak, but that starting 5 is all time great, although sort of awkward and positionless.
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It's close but chemistry gives an edge to Warriors. Talent wise I'd pick that C's team over Warriors.
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Does this team win a title, assuming health?
Horford / Baynes
Tatum / Theis / Ojeleye
Kawhi
Hayward
Kyrie / Smart
Gone are Brown, Morris and Rozier.
Assume we fill out the roster with the Taxpayer’s MLE and vet minimum deals.
Can that team win it all? How do they match up with the Warriors?
If everybody is healthy, they look like the Warriors’ equal, at least. Big if, though.
One thing though - if we send Brown, Morris, Rozier, we are still a few million short on salaries so we’d need to send out another player or two from our current roster. Adding Yabu and Semi would do it. It’s a real concern of using Brown to get Kawhi - you really might have to empty the cupboard. Vet rentals might be ok, but those are short term fixes instead of pretty good role players on longer term deals. And you’ll also have to give up picks - no more cost-controlled talent coming in that way.
I see the appeal, but I like the current team enough that I’d rather run it back and tinker at the edges.
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Brown, Morris, Rozier, we are still a few million short on salaries so we’d need to send out another player or two from our current roster
Yeah. Yabu + Nader bridges that gap, and I see them as pretty irrelevant to our championship hopes.
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Love Kawhi (and LeBron) but I "REALLY" believe that a healthy Kyrie and Hayward places us in the Finals next year with a GREAT shot at winning it.
Our Scoring Big Three could be Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum or JB.
Big Al will have some good nights as well - match ups depending.
I'm really hesitant about blowing up this team - even partially - to get Kawhi or LeBron.
I know it's hard but we've got to stay put with what we have HERE. Dig the trenches, don't move ANY pieces, circle the wagons, let our HOME COURT advantage drive opponents batty, and WIN.
Look, as good as GSW looked if it weren't for a few boneheaded decisions CLE would've taken game 1. Take game one and that could've gone on to be an interesting series.
Trust "OUR" process....don't make ANY moves......must be careful with chemistry.
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Brown, Morris, Rozier, we are still a few million short on salaries so we’d need to send out another player or two from our current roster
Yeah. Yabu + Nader bridges that gap, and I see them as pretty irrelevant to our championship hopes.
Definitely approve of sending Nader instead of Semi. The health really is a concern for me. Three guys coming off major injuries - and Kawhi has had serious injuries to *both* knees.
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You would not give up Rozier in rhe deal. Find other players to fill the money part
I am ok letting Morris go.
Also you have to add to the rotation who they draft this year. Have to think it is a guard of some sort
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If you can get some kind of commitment from Leonard, you always do this deal.
Tyreke on MLE sounds great to round our the bench.
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Could certainly have a chance.
But there's no way I'd give up Brown. Kawhi has let it be known he wants to go to LA. Too much of a gamble.
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If you can get some kind of commitment from Leonard, you always do this deal.
Tyreke on MLE sounds great to round our the bench.
Tyreke earned $11 million last year. Why does he take $5 million from us? Some players chase rings but that’s a heck of a pay cut. Somebody will offer him more, especially after last year.
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If you can get some kind of commitment from Leonard, you always do this deal.
Tyreke on MLE sounds great to round our the bench.
Tyreke earned $11 million last year. Why does he take $5 million from us? Some players chase rings but that’s a heck of a pay cut. Somebody will offer him more, especially after last year.
He actually made $3.3 million on a one year deal, I think.
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It's close but chemistry gives an edge to Warriors. Talent wise I'd pick that C's team over Warriors.
Interesting I didn't think the Warriors had good chemistry at all this year. Way to much hero ball out of Durant and Curry, they didn't pass much IMO.
Anyway to answer the question that team could win but IMO the team we have now has just as good a chance to win. It would have better depth giving Brad better rotations.
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That team is definitely a contender, but I think we already are. I wouldn't do the trade. It weakens the bench a lot after having to match salaries and there's no guarantee Kawhi signs an extension. Plus, Brown is five years younger, has been injury free, and is much cheaper. Maybe, the main reason I don't want to do the trade is because I'd like to watch Brown continue to grow. He has improved so much already, has a great work ethic and attitude, and he's our guy. Sometimes, sentimentality wins out in the eyes of a fan.
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I do not think they make any major moves other than resigning smart and Baynes and adding some shooting off the bench as well as adding a guard with the 27 pick.
A lot of noise here but I can see them standing pat and they prolly should
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If you can get some kind of commitment from Leonard, you always do this deal.
Tyreke on MLE sounds great to round our the bench.
Tyreke earned $11 million last year. Why does he take $5 million from us? Some players chase rings but that’s a heck of a pay cut. Somebody will offer him more, especially after last year.
He actually made $3.3 million on a one year deal, I think.
You are correct! I was using basketballreference.com; for some reason they only list his salary through the 2016-17 season and I didn’t notice the omission - just read off the last year. Multiple siretes have him lower last year. We’ll have to see what his market will be.
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Does this team win a title, assuming health?
Horford / Baynes
Tatum / Theis / Ojeleye
Kawhi
Hayward
Kyrie / Smart
Gone are Brown, Morris and Rozier.
Assume we fill out the roster with the Taxpayer’s MLE and vet minimum deals.
Can that team win it all? How do they match up with the Warriors?
Yes, I believe that team is a championship team...of the east. Of course I believe we are right now, as constructed, also.
Whether or not they are NBA champions will depend on the rest of that bench and how much support they can provide that super starter team. I believe there would be enough ring chasers out there to fill it out and make us even money favorites against the Warriors.
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Does this team win a title, assuming health?
Horford / Baynes
Tatum / Theis / Ojeleye
Kawhi
Hayward
Kyrie / Smart
Gone are Brown, Morris and Rozier.
Assume we fill out the roster with the Taxpayer’s MLE and vet minimum deals.
Can that team win it all? How do they match up with the Warriors?
K2H2T
TP on the original thread.
That team is so good it's scary. I mean on both ends too. Good luck to any team if we lock down on them with a defensive line-up of:
Smart
Leonard
Hayward (insert Tatum for length)
Ojeleye (insert Theis for length)
Horford
Good luck to any team trying to stop our offense with an offensive line-up of:
Irving
Hayward
Leonard
Tatum
Horford
You might be convincing me the end result is worth losing Brown/Rozier. Morris I think is heading out anyways (although he added a level of toughness to last year's squad that I'd hate to lose...I suppose we gain toughness with Leonard). Cap wise, would we still have any room for Vet min or MLE to fish out aging veteran chasing a ring?
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I think that team could definitely win a title
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I think that team could definitely win a title
Yes easily. The Warriors have not been pressured by a top defense since they were losing game one to the Spurs at home in last year's playoffs...before Leonard went down and out via Zaza.
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Does this team win a title, assuming health?
Horford / Baynes
Tatum / Theis / Ojeleye
Kawhi
Hayward
Kyrie / Smart
Gone are Brown, Morris and Rozier.
Assume we fill out the roster with the Taxpayer’s MLE and vet minimum deals.
Can that team win it all? How do they match up with the Warriors?
And Khyri Thomas, DiVincenzo, Jacob Evans, KBD, D'Anthony Melton, or Melvin Frazier.
(answered yes above...)
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If you can get some kind of commitment from Leonard, you always do this deal.
Tyreke on MLE sounds great to round our the bench.
Tyreke earned $11 million last year. Why does he take $5 million from us? Some players chase rings but that’s a heck of a pay cut. Somebody will offer him more, especially after last year.
He actually made $3.3 million on a one year deal, I think.
You are correct! I was using basketballreference.com; for some reason they only list his salary through the 2016-17 season and I didn’t notice the omission - just read off the last year. Multiple siretes have him lower last year. We’ll have to see what his market will be.
Yeah, BR updates the salaries at the beginning of July, when the new league year kicks in. So if you want to know what a player makes in the current season you have to click on contract. Not how I’d design it, but easy enough once you figure it out.
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puncher's chance
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Does this team win a title, assuming health?
Horford / Baynes
Tatum / Theis / Ojeleye
Kawhi
Hayward
Kyrie / Smart
Gone are Brown, Morris and Rozier.
Assume we fill out the roster with the Taxpayer’s MLE and vet minimum deals.
Can that team win it all? How do they match up with the Warriors?
I would favour that team vs GSW, particularly with Brad at the helm
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Kyrie the Curry stopper = check
Hayward the Thompson stopper = check
Kawhi the Durant stopper = check
Horford the Green stopper = check
Tatum will absolutely wreck Iguodala and whatever else unit they got.
That Celtics with a scrub bench will crush the Warriors.
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If you can get some kind of commitment from Leonard, you always do this deal.
Tyreke on MLE sounds great to round our the bench.
Tyreke earned $11 million last year. Why does he take $5 million from us? Some players chase rings but that’s a heck of a pay cut. Somebody will offer him more, especially after last year.
He actually made $3.3 million on a one year deal, I think.
You are correct! I was using basketballreference.com; for some reason they only list his salary through the 2016-17 season and I didn’t notice the omission - just read off the last year. Multiple siretes have him lower last year. We’ll have to see what his market will be.
Just to add, the MLE next year is 8.8 which is good chunk of change for a guy like Reke after the year he had last year.
Pipe dream scenario lineup for next year.
Irving/Smart
Hayward/Evans
Leonard/Semi
Tatum/1st round pick
Horford/Baynes/Theis
Would Reddick take a significant pay cut to come to Boston which he claimed to love in the postseason? Highly unlikely after the 23 mil he got last year. But a couple vet min deals fills out that roster nicely.
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If you can get some kind of commitment from Leonard, you always do this deal.
Tyreke on MLE sounds great to round our the bench.
Tyreke earned $11 million last year. Why does he take $5 million from us? Some players chase rings but that’s a heck of a pay cut. Somebody will offer him more, especially after last year.
He actually made $3.3 million on a one year deal, I think.
You are correct! I was using basketballreference.com; for some reason they only list his salary through the 2016-17 season and I didn’t notice the omission - just read off the last year. Multiple siretes have him lower last year. We’ll have to see what his market will be.
Just to add, the MLE next year is 8.8 which is good chunk of change for a guy like Reke after the year he had last year.
Pipe dream scenario lineup for next year.
Irving/Smart
Hayward/Evans
Leonard/Semi
Tatum/1st round pick
Horford/Baynes/Theis
Would Reddick take a significant pay cut to come to Boston which he claimed to love in the postseason? Highly unlikely after the 23 mil he got last year. But a couple vet min deals fills out that roster nicely.
The Celtics would need to take on a bunch of salary to do the Kawhi trade and then spend more money to resign Smart and Baynes. That makes it most likely that the Cs would be in the tax and so would only have the much lower taxpayer MLE available.