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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: celticsclay on June 14, 2018, 01:56:16 PM
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23776431/how-lakers-land-lebron-james-paul-george-kawhi-leonard-nba-free-agency
Interesting that Jeannie Bus also Tweeted this today: https://twitter.com/JeanieBuss/status/1007096664136540160
I still don't think Leonard would get traded, but in this fantasy land where this all happens that would really add some competitiveness to the west.
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Better them than Philly
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I think they would be better off signing Cousins than George. The warriors would have an extremely difficult time containing Cousins in the paint, and Kawhi is the perfect fit next to LeBron at this stage in Bron Browns career - can help guard the opponents best player, and be an elite knock down shooting option when LB drives...
LeBron , George, and Leonard just seem like an awkward fit...
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Lakers/Celtics back in the finals
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Lakers/Celtics back in the finals
I would love that.
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Lakers/Celtics back in the finals
I would love that.
as would I, in another 10 years. Let the Lakers enjoy a 20-year finals drought like we had to endure.
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Lakers/Celtics back in the finals
Nah, I'm good. Let the Lakers go back to being in a playoff drought for the next 5 years...
Lakers/Celtics back in the finals
I would love that.
as would I, in another 10 years. Let the Lakers enjoy a 20-year finals drought like we had to endure.
Same here.
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Why is SAS trading Kawhi for Deng + Ball + Kuzma?
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Why is SAS trading Kawhi for Deng + Ball + Kuzma?
Because that is what Laker fans want to pay.
Fantasy land.
Would have to include Ingram and Ball, maybe Kuzma, to get SA to get close to fair value.
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Why is SAS trading Kawhi for Deng + Ball + Kuzma?
Because that is what Laker fans want to pay.
Fantasy land.
Would have to include Ingram and Ball, maybe Kuzma, to get SA to get close to fair value.
presumably though if SA is trading Kawhi it is because he has told them he won't re-sign and in that scenario his value is greatly diminished, especially considering he barely played last year.
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I can't be the only one thinking this...
If LeBron goes to the Lakers then Cleveland has to start a rebuild, the roster is mostly bloated trash. If George joins him as expected then that's the SG and SF slots filled.
Wouldn't it make sense to go for UCLA alumni K Love? He'd come cheaper than Kawhi and from Clevelands perspective they get value because he sure ain't sticking in FA when LeBron is gone.
Love + Korver for Deng, Kuzma, Ingram and a pick
Makes sense right?
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Why is SAS trading Kawhi for Deng + Ball + Kuzma?
Seems a little light. But a Deng (for salary matching), Ball and Ingram package might get it done. You would need to actually include a little more salary coming back from the Spurs, so how about adding in Patty Mills. Final trade is Kawhi, Mills for Ingram, Ball, Deng #26 pick. Laker sign Lebron, George and have Mills, Leonard, Kuzma, Hart. Mills would be a nice PG you coould play with lebron, a 3 and D who doenst need the ball. They'd need to do a lot of filling in around taht, but my guess is that the chance to compete and get minutes would get them some discount signings.
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Unless SA is really high on Ball, no way they'd take on Deng's salary.
IMO, Kuzma's a nice player, but he has nothing that screams to me he'll be a future star.
If I'm SAS, I'd want Ingram and a couple #1s to take on Deng's salary. Regardless, I expect SAS to mend fences with KL and sign him to a long term super max.
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Why is SAS trading Kawhi for Deng + Ball + Kuzma?
Because that is what Laker fans want to pay.
Fantasy land.
Would have to include Ingram and Ball, maybe Kuzma, to get SA to get close to fair value.
presumably though if SA is trading Kawhi it is because he has told them he won't re-sign and in that scenario his value is greatly diminished, especially considering he barely played last year.
Okay, but I still highly doubt Deng + Ball + Kuzma gets it done, period.
There will definitely be many teams out there who can beat that offer.
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What trade is more attractive to the Spurs?
Lakers:
Ingram, Kuzma, Frye, and late 1st round picks
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybpyxpk5
Celtics:
Brown, Morris, Rozier, Baynes, and the Kings 1st round pick plus other 1st round picks
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc4mlo79
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What trade is more attractive to the Spurs?
Lakers:
Ingram, Kuzma, Frye, and late 1st round picks
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybpyxpk5
Celtics:
Brown, Morris, Rozier, Baynes, and the Kings 1st round pick plus other 1st round picks
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc4mlo79
Not a serious question.
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What trade is more attractive to the Spurs?
Lakers:
Ingram, Kuzma, Frye, and late 1st round picks
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybpyxpk5
Celtics:
Brown, Morris, Rozier, Baynes, and the Kings 1st round pick plus other 1st round picks
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc4mlo79
As much as Leonard intrigues me, that kills our depth. I think we actually get worse than better unless we know who else we can get in the off season. And thats risky.
Brown while not on the same level this year as Leonard, who knows what jump he'll make in the off season. He made a huge one last summer, tightened up his handle and his out side shot was consistent. If he gets a couple go to moves to the paint, he's getting close to Leonard, with slightly less defense. But losing Banes when we need some presents in the paint hurts, TR will be a nice back up unless we resign Smart and get Allen and his learning curve is the same as Tatum. Those two coming off the bench could be fun to watch, and other teams bench would hate to go against it. And Morris.... Kinda depends which one shows up. LOL
I like the Depth better than having Leonard.
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What trade is more attractive to the Spurs?
Lakers:
Ingram, Kuzma, Frye, and late 1st round picks
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybpyxpk5
Celtics:
Brown, Morris, Rozier, Baynes, and the Kings 1st round pick plus other 1st round picks
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc4mlo79
As much as Leonard intrigues me, that kills our depth. I think we actually get worse than better unless we know who else we can get in the off season. And thats risky.
Brown while not on the same level this year as Leonard, who knows what jump he'll make in the off season. He made a huge one last summer, tightened up his handle and his out side shot was consistent. If he gets a couple go to moves to the paint, he's getting close to Leonard, with slightly less defense. But losing Banes when we need some presents in the paint hurts, TR will be a nice back up unless we resign Smart and get Allen and his learning curve is the same as Tatum. Those two coming off the bench could be fun to watch, and other teams bench would hate to go against it. And Morris.... Kinda depends which one shows up. LOL
I like the Depth better than having Leonard.
I like the depth also, but some are speculating that we're going to lose Morris and Baynes in the offseason any way...so you're really talking Brown, Rozier and the pick.
Rozier wants to be a starter apparently, which won't happen while Irving wears green (which I'm hoping is for many years to come). So now we're down to Brown and the pick.
Losing Brown would suck...I truly value our home grown talent. But if Ainge/CBS sign off on the deal, then I'm going to trust their judgment. I don't believe Leonard comes to the Celtics without Ainge feeling confident that he can resign him.
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What trade is more attractive to the Spurs?
Lakers:
Ingram, Kuzma, Frye, and late 1st round picks
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybpyxpk5
Celtics:
Brown, Morris, Rozier, Baynes, and the Kings 1st round pick plus other 1st round picks
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc4mlo79
As much as Leonard intrigues me, that kills our depth. I think we actually get worse than better unless we know who else we can get in the off season. And thats risky.
Brown while not on the same level this year as Leonard, who knows what jump he'll make in the off season. He made a huge one last summer, tightened up his handle and his out side shot was consistent. If he gets a couple go to moves to the paint, he's getting close to Leonard, with slightly less defense. But losing Banes when we need some presents in the paint hurts, TR will be a nice back up unless we resign Smart and get Allen and his learning curve is the same as Tatum. Those two coming off the bench could be fun to watch, and other teams bench would hate to go against it. And Morris.... Kinda depends which one shows up. LOL
I like the Depth better than having Leonard.
I like the depth also, but some are speculating that we're going to lose Morris and Baynes in the offseason any way...so you're really talking Brown, Rozier and the pick.
Rozier wants to be a starter apparently, which won't happen while Irving wears green (which I'm hoping is for many years to come). So now we're down to Brown and the pick.
Losing Brown would suck...I truly value our home grown talent. But if Ainge/CBS sign off on the deal, then I'm going to trust their judgment. I don't believe Leonard comes to the Celtics without Ainge feeling confident that he can resign him.
We still have Morris next season, so it's Just BAnes, who could come back for cheap. So we would have to find a Big, and Small that can guard 1's and 2's, and a wing that can guard 3's and 4's on the SUPER cheap. Might get lucky if there are some ring chasers, but it's a huge gamble.
Plus we would look like idiots if both Irving and Leonard bolted next summer. It would be different if Irving was locked up.
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What trade is more attractive to the Spurs?
Lakers:
Ingram, Kuzma, Frye, and late 1st round picks
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybpyxpk5
Celtics:
Brown, Morris, Rozier, Baynes, and the Kings 1st round pick plus other 1st round picks
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc4mlo79
As much as Leonard intrigues me, that kills our depth. I think we actually get worse than better unless we know who else we can get in the off season. And thats risky.
Brown while not on the same level this year as Leonard, who knows what jump he'll make in the off season. He made a huge one last summer, tightened up his handle and his out side shot was consistent. If he gets a couple go to moves to the paint, he's getting close to Leonard, with slightly less defense. But losing Banes when we need some presents in the paint hurts, TR will be a nice back up unless we resign Smart and get Allen and his learning curve is the same as Tatum. Those two coming off the bench could be fun to watch, and other teams bench would hate to go against it. And Morris.... Kinda depends which one shows up. LOL
I like the Depth better than having Leonard.
Just swap out Baynes, as there's no reason to include him. Morris is turning into Hayward regardless, so the perceived loss of depth is entirely Rozier. Backup PGs are replaceable. We've got Smart, Larkin, #27, and any other veteran backup we can get.
Brown, Morris ==> Hayward, Kawhi
Baynes ==> keep
Rozier ==> Irving, new backup (Smart, Larkin, #27, other veteran)
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I can't be the only one thinking this...
If LeBron goes to the Lakers then Cleveland has to start a rebuild, the roster is mostly bloated trash. If George joins him as expected then that's the SG and SF slots filled.
Wouldn't it make sense to go for UCLA alumni K Love? He'd come cheaper than Kawhi and from Clevelands perspective they get value because he sure ain't sticking in FA when LeBron is gone.
Love + Korver for Deng, Kuzma, Ingram and a pick
Makes sense right?
No. Love + Korver don't get you Kuzma, Ingram let alone a pick.
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I can't be the only one thinking this...
If LeBron goes to the Lakers then Cleveland has to start a rebuild, the roster is mostly bloated trash. If George joins him as expected then that's the SG and SF slots filled.
Wouldn't it make sense to go for UCLA alumni K Love? He'd come cheaper than Kawhi and from Clevelands perspective they get value because he sure ain't sticking in FA when LeBron is gone.
Love + Korver for Deng, Kuzma, Ingram and a pick
Makes sense right?
No. Love + Korver don't get you Kuzma, Ingram let alone a pick.
It does when you take on Dengz one of the worst contracts in the league. There is not 3rd superstar in LA without moving Deng, and there is no moving Deng without adding some serious sweeteners.
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Going have a weak bench
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Going have a weak bench
Oh yeah right, Magic Johnson should just forget it, not worth it. ;D
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Every year I have to read how the Fakers are going to land every good free agent and be a super team. Tired of this Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.! They aren't getting all those players and will be lucky to get 2 of them. Get rid of all your young talent and give yourself a 2 year window to compete go for it Fakers!!
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Every year I have to read how the Fakers are going to land every good free agent and be a super team. Tired of this ****! They aren't getting all those players and will be lucky to get 2 of them. Get rid of all your young talent and give yourself a 2 year window to compete go for it Fakers!!
Remember when they got Dwight and Nash? That team was stacked as and was a complete flop, lol.
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You know, it's starting to feel like this scenario might actually not happen.
According to Windhorst, Lebron is likely not going to drag this and could make a decision by July 3 or July 4 (FIREWORKS!)
So the Lakers might feel pressured to trade for Kawhi before or around then, but the Spurs and Pop may be in no "big rush" to trade Kawhi to LAL (lol). In that case, Lebron may decide to stay in CLE or go elsewhere (makes that decision sometime first week of July), and suddenly the Lakers might be back to just going hard after PG13 and not being able to add another piece. It's possible George goes to LAL and that is enough to entice Lebron to go there too, but the chances are lower than if Kawhi was traded there beforehand.
And I'm sure even if the Spurs kept Kawhi but then decided to trade him a little later, teams like the Clippers, Sixers or Knicks would still be interested in Kawhi well into July and make an offer, whereas LAL might not bother after seeing Lebron stay or go somewhere besides LAL. Or maybe they still try going after Kawhi (after signing PG13), but it'll still cost them quite a bit.
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Yesterday I was convinced the Fakers would be on the outside looking in on all the big time FA's. Then after reading a little this morning, I was just on a Cavs board and most are lamenting that LeBUM's going to the Lakers. And on another site I saw a list of teams he's going to visit - not the C's. I'll be glad when the LeBUM Drama that has poisoned the NBA is over.
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Please go!!!! Tired looking at him with the early games on ESPN & TNT...im in bed when West Coast games are on
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Yesterday I was convinced the Fakers would be on the outside looking in on all the big time FA's. Then after reading a little this morning, I was just on a Cavs board and most are lamenting that LeBUM's going to the Lakers. And on another site I saw a list of teams he's going to visit - not the C's. I'll be glad when the LeBUM Drama that has poisoned the NBA is over.
The Lebron drama will only end when he stops dragging a team of misfits to the finals every year. Until then, he will be the center of media attention.
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For those that have been following this the odds for Lebron to Lakers are now 1:4. That means if you bet 10 dollars you would win 2.50
The other team with a chance is Cleveland but if you bet 10 dollars on him playing there you would win 27.00.
Anything else yours getting into extreme longshots with the Celtics and Philly basically tied and the Rockets a tiny bit ahead (but all very unlikely)
So that is where the action is going on it...
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I have a friend who is a Lakers fan (LA-born as well), and he thinks the drama of trying to get Lebron and adhering to his demands is not worth the trouble anymore. Frankly, I've seen many Lakers fans express the same sentiment as well. Maybe Lebron's being a "genius" here dictating FA on his terms and pressuring LA to acquire the stars HE wants. As in, he wants Kawhi and could care less about PG13 (but if they could add PG13, that would be nice too in Lebron's mind). But if you're LAL, are you really comfortable enough to trade Ingram, Kuzma, AND Hart OR 1-2 future picks for Kawhi with no guarantee that Paul George even goes to LA (I don't think it's a slam dunk to be honest. Likely, yes, but not a certainty still). Also Lebron could care less about how he affects other teams. Look at what he left Cleveland (1st time) and Miami with when he left.
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I'm starting to believe PG stays, but whoah, hot take, Chris Paul goes to LA. Imagine if they flip Lonzo, Ingram, salary and picks for Leonard. Sign Paul and James.
Paul/Leonard/James/Kuz/Lopez (ring chasing deal)
Hart/Wagner/Zubac and what ever
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I have a friend who is a Lakers fan (LA-born as well), and he thinks the drama of trying to get Lebron and adhering to his demands is not worth the trouble anymore. Frankly, I've seen many Lakers fans express the same sentiment as well. Maybe Lebron's being a "genius" here dictating FA on his terms and pressuring LA to acquire the stars HE wants. As in, he wants Kawhi and could care less about PG13 (but if they could add PG13, that would be nice too in Lebron's mind). But if you're LAL, are you really comfortable enough to trade Ingram, Kuzma, AND Hart OR 1-2 future picks for Kawhi with no guarantee that Paul George even goes to LA (I don't think it's a slam dunk to be honest. Likely, yes, but not a certainty still). Also Lebron could care less about how he affects other teams. Look at what he left Cleveland (1st time) and Miami with when he left.
Lebron's no fool. He might as well stay in CLE if Leonard does not go to LA this season. George does not do it. Lebron and George don't get past Rockets or Warriors. Of course Leonard is FA following season, but Lebron will want his best chance to compete this next season; he isn't getting younger.
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I'm starting to believe PG stays, but whoah, hot take, Chris Paul goes to LA. Imagine if they flip Lonzo, Ingram, salary and picks for Leonard. Sign Paul and James.
Paul/Leonard/James/Kuz/Lopez (ring chasing deal)
Hart/Wagner/Zubac and what ever
Yep that's another possibility. That said Spurs don't want Lonzo, they want Ingram AND Kuzma. Now if you're suggesting Lonzo gets flipped somewhere else, fine, but the Spurs won't trade with the Lakers for anything less than Kuzma + Ingram.
But the other interesting part here is, with CP3 going to LAL, that WEAKENS the other threat in the West in the Rockets, so then their only real threat is Golden State.
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I have a friend who is a Lakers fan (LA-born as well), and he thinks the drama of trying to get Lebron and adhering to his demands is not worth the trouble anymore. Frankly, I've seen many Lakers fans express the same sentiment as well. Maybe Lebron's being a "genius" here dictating FA on his terms and pressuring LA to acquire the stars HE wants. As in, he wants Kawhi and could care less about PG13 (but if they could add PG13, that would be nice too in Lebron's mind). But if you're LAL, are you really comfortable enough to trade Ingram, Kuzma, AND Hart OR 1-2 future picks for Kawhi with no guarantee that Paul George even goes to LA (I don't think it's a slam dunk to be honest. Likely, yes, but not a certainty still). Also Lebron could care less about how he affects other teams. Look at what he left Cleveland (1st time) and Miami with when he left.
Lebron's no fool. He might as well stay in CLE if Leonard does not go to LA this season. George does not do it. Lebron and George don't get past Rockets or Warriors. Of course Leonard is FA following season, but Lebron will want his best chance to compete this next season; he isn't getting younger.
Watch LeBron stay in Cleveland on a 1+1, Kawhi get traded there, then LAL waits another year for them to bolt. They lose in The Finals *again* and then Kawhi decides he doesn't like playing with LeBron =).