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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: CelticsElite on June 14, 2018, 12:45:27 PM
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23791268/michael-porter-jr-cancels-second-pro-day-strained-hip
Porter couldn't get out of bed because of muscle spasms, according to the sources
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23782580/draft-prospect-kevin-huerter-surgery
Expected to miss 2 months, Huerter is No. 21 in ESPN's draft analyst Jonathan Givony's most recent mock draft. A late-rising prospect on team draft boards, Huerter made a strong impression on teams at the NBA draft combine.
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I'd stay far away from Porter. He's cut from the same piece of glass as Greg Oden and Harry Giles..stinks because apparently he is an extremely hard working and pleasant kid.
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What a rough break for Porter Jr.
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I'd stay far away from Porter. He's cut from the same piece of glass as Greg Oden and Harry Giles..stinks because apparently he is an extremely hard working and pleasant kid.
It is 1 injury though, all related. Now back injuries aren't your normal injuries, but it is still just 1 injury. Oden had several different injuries and Giles has had multiple recurring injuries. I wouldn't put Porter in with them, at least at this point.
Porter still having issues makes him much more likely to be available at a spot that Boston could reasonably get to, and I'd absolutely take the risk on him. He was projected as the top player in the draft (by many) before his injury for a reason.
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I read a report that the Kings are considering Porter over Doncic. It's either the truth and I have to ask ??? or it's a lie that can only be pinned on a dumpster organization like the Kings (on no other team, including the Sixers, would this be believable enough to print). The fact that this report actually exists is a direct result of the Kings being a completely incompetent franchise. Does anyone know the last time the Kings had a winning record? 05-06.
Here are the picks from then til now:
06: 19th Quincy Douby
07: 10th Spencer Hawes
08: 12th Jason Thompson
09: 4th Tyreke Evans
10: 5th Demarcus Cousins
11: 7th Bismack Bioyombo
12: 5th: Thomas Robinson
13: 7th: Ben McLemore
14: 8th: Nik Stauskas
15: 6th: Willie Cauley Stein
16: 13th Georgios Papagiannis
17: 5th: De'Aaron Fox
In 12 years, the only pick that they made that has any actual talent is DeMarcus Cousins. Count your lucky stars that you get the 2nd pick, take Doncic and pray that he doesn't leave you in 4 years.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23791268/michael-porter-jr-cancels-second-pro-day-strained-hip
Porter couldn't get out of bed because of muscle spasms, according to the sources
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23782580/draft-prospect-kevin-huerter-surgery
Expected to miss 2 months, Huerter is No. 21 in ESPN's draft analyst Jonathan Givony's most recent mock draft. A late-rising prospect on team draft boards, Huerter made a strong impression on teams at the NBA draft combine.
just doing his best to make sure he's there for the C's at #27 ;)
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If I was picking in the top 14 and don't have a 2nd pick to burn.... I'm staying away from Porter Jr.
I think he will to drop like no tomorrow.
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I'd stay far away from Porter. He's cut from the same piece of glass as Greg Oden and Harry Giles..stinks because apparently he is an extremely hard working and pleasant kid.
It is 1 injury though, all related. Now back injuries aren't your normal injuries, but it is still just 1 injury. Oden had several different injuries and Giles has had multiple recurring injuries. I wouldn't put Porter in with them, at least at this point.
Porter still having issues makes him much more likely to be available at a spot that Boston could reasonably get to, and I'd absolutely take the risk on him. He was projected as the top player in the draft (by many) before his injury for a reason.
Jared Sullinger in the making!
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I read a report that the Kings are considering Porter over Doncic. It's either the truth and I have to ask ??? or it's a lie that can only be pinned on a dumpster organization like the Kings (on no other team, including the Sixers, would this be believable enough to print). The fact that this report actually exists is a direct result of the Kings being a completely incompetent franchise. Does anyone know the last time the Kings had a winning record? 05-06.
Here are the picks from then til now:
06: 19th Quincy Douby
07: 10th Spencer Hawes
08: 12th Jason Thompson
09: 4th Tyreke Evans
10: 5th Demarcus Cousins
11: 7th Bismack Bioyombo
12: 5th: Thomas Robinson
13: 7th: Ben McLemore
14: 8th: Nik Stauskas
15: 6th: Willie Cauley Stein
16: 13th Georgios Papagiannis
17: 5th: De'Aaron Fox
In 12 years, the only pick that they made that has any actual talent is DeMarcus Cousins. Count your lucky stars that you get the 2nd pick, take Doncic and pray that he doesn't leave you in 4 years.
Management thrown out the window, imagine the team they could have right now with those draft picks the last 12 years.
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Teams have been informed that Michael Porter Jr. is feeling better and MRI returned clean, with "positive review," league sources told Yahoo. Workout assessment could be rescheduled on Friday, sources said, but decision likely comes later today.
Ummm if he falls to late first, or late lottery, then I'm trading up to draft him.
Ainge has shown he isn't afraid to draft players with injury concerns especially if they end up as a steal.
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I'd stay far away from Porter. He's cut from the same piece of glass as Greg Oden and Harry Giles..stinks because apparently he is an extremely hard working and pleasant kid.
It is 1 injury though, all related. Now back injuries aren't your normal injuries, but it is still just 1 injury. Oden had several different injuries and Giles has had multiple recurring injuries. I wouldn't put Porter in with them, at least at this point.
Porter still having issues makes him much more likely to be available at a spot that Boston could reasonably get to, and I'd absolutely take the risk on him. He was projected as the top player in the draft (by many) before his injury for a reason.
Jared Sullinger in the making!
Sully produced quite well and it wasn't his back that forced him out of the league.
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I read a report that the Kings are considering Porter over Doncic. It's either the truth and I have to ask ??? or it's a lie that can only be pinned on a dumpster organization like the Kings (on no other team, including the Sixers, would this be believable enough to print). The fact that this report actually exists is a direct result of the Kings being a completely incompetent franchise. Does anyone know the last time the Kings had a winning record? 05-06.
Here are the picks from then til now:
06: 19th Quincy Douby
07: 10th Spencer Hawes
08: 12th Jason Thompson
09: 4th Tyreke Evans
10: 5th Demarcus Cousins
11: 7th Bismack Bioyombo
12: 5th: Thomas Robinson
13: 7th: Ben McLemore
14: 8th: Nik Stauskas
15: 6th: Willie Cauley Stein
16: 13th Georgios Papagiannis
17: 5th: De'Aaron Fox
In 12 years, the only pick that they made that has any actual talent is DeMarcus Cousins. Count your lucky stars that you get the 2nd pick, take Doncic and pray that he doesn't leave you in 4 years.
There is absolutely no way they should draft MPJ over Bagley or Doncic, but... Stupid is as stupid does.
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In 12 years, the only pick that they made that has any actual talent is DeMarcus Cousins. Count your lucky stars that you get the 2nd pick, take Doncic and pray that he doesn't leave you in 4 years.
He can't just leave in 4 years. That is what restricted free agency is for.
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In 12 years, the only pick that they made that has any actual talent is DeMarcus Cousins. Count your lucky stars that you get the 2nd pick, take Doncic and pray that he doesn't leave you in 4 years.
He can't just leave in 4 years. That is what restricted free agency is for.
After 5 years then. That’s what qualifying offers are for, and Doncic’s will be in the $14-15 million range for one year, which is high enough to be a viable threat to force a trade after a couple of years, or just take it and leave as an unrestricted free agent.
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In 12 years, the only pick that they made that has any actual talent is DeMarcus Cousins. Count your lucky stars that you get the 2nd pick, take Doncic and pray that he doesn't leave you in 4 years.
He can't just leave in 4 years. That is what restricted free agency is for.
After 5 years then. That’s what qualifying offers are for, and Doncic’s will be in the $14-15 million range for one year, which is high enough to be a viable threat to force a trade after a couple of years, or just take it and leave as an unrestricted free agent.
5 at the very least, if he is willing to play on the QO and turn down a max extension or max RFA offer. And this is all assuming Doncic turns into a superstar AND the Kings still suck.
Why would the QO be so high? Due to the increase in salary cap and that it would be the #2 pick hold?
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In 12 years, the only pick that they made that has any actual talent is DeMarcus Cousins. Count your lucky stars that you get the 2nd pick, take Doncic and pray that he doesn't leave you in 4 years.
He can't just leave in 4 years. That is what restricted free agency is for.
After 5 years then. That’s what qualifying offers are for, and Doncic’s will be in the $14-15 million range for one year, which is high enough to be a viable threat to force a trade after a couple of years, or just take it and leave as an unrestricted free agent.
5 at the very least, if he is willing to play on the QO and turn down a max extension or max RFA offer. And this is all assuming Doncic turns into a superstar AND the Kings still suck.
Why would the QO be so high? Due to the increase in salary cap and that it would be the #2 pick hold?
Due to the new CBA, yes. It increased rookie salaries and the qualifying offer is a 30% raise from his fourth year salary of over $11 million (as pick 2).
Also, that the Kings will still suck is a given in this argument. It’s a stated assumption as to why Doncic would leave.
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In 12 years, the only pick that they made that has any actual talent is DeMarcus Cousins. Count your lucky stars that you get the 2nd pick, take Doncic and pray that he doesn't leave you in 4 years.
He can't just leave in 4 years. That is what restricted free agency is for.
After 5 years then. That’s what qualifying offers are for, and Doncic’s will be in the $14-15 million range for one year, which is high enough to be a viable threat to force a trade after a couple of years, or just take it and leave as an unrestricted free agent.
5 at the very least, if he is willing to play on the QO and turn down a max extension or max RFA offer. And this is all assuming Doncic turns into a superstar AND the Kings still suck.
Why would the QO be so high? Due to the increase in salary cap and that it would be the #2 pick hold?
Due to the new CBA, yes. It increased rookie salaries and the qualifying offer is a 30% raise from his fourth year salary of over $11 million (as pick 2).
Also, that the Kings will still suck is a given in this argument. It’s a stated assumption as to why Doncic would leave.
It's a given that the Kings HAVE sucked, evident by the list Erik provided, but there's no real reason to think that they will continue to suck if they take Doncic and he turns into a superstar while still on his rookie contract. I certainly didn't see him say, "only if the Kings still suck" or anything.
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I'd stay far away from Porter. He's cut from the same piece of glass as Greg Oden and Harry Giles..stinks because apparently he is an extremely hard working and pleasant kid.
It is 1 injury though, all related. Now back injuries aren't your normal injuries, but it is still just 1 injury. Oden had several different injuries and Giles has had multiple recurring injuries. I wouldn't put Porter in with them, at least at this point.
Porter still having issues makes him much more likely to be available at a spot that Boston could reasonably get to, and I'd absolutely take the risk on him. He was projected as the top player in the draft (by many) before his injury for a reason.
spasms wouldn’t directly cause a hip injury like they’re reporting.
He most likely had bad hips along with his bad back that predisposed him to this injury, especially at such a young age.
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Porter health is no doubt a major concern
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smokescreen
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I just hope the 6ers don’t get him
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I read a report that the Kings are considering Porter over Doncic. It's either the truth and I have to ask ??? or it's a lie that can only be pinned on a dumpster organization like the Kings (on no other team, including the Sixers, would this be believable enough to print). The fact that this report actually exists is a direct result of the Kings being a completely incompetent franchise. Does anyone know the last time the Kings had a winning record? 05-06.
Here are the picks from then til now:
06: 19th Quincy Douby
07: 10th Spencer Hawes
08: 12th Jason Thompson
09: 4th Tyreke Evans
10: 5th Demarcus Cousins
11: 7th Bismack Bioyombo
12: 5th: Thomas Robinson
13: 7th: Ben McLemore
14: 8th: Nik Stauskas
15: 6th: Willie Cauley Stein
16: 13th Georgios Papagiannis
17: 5th: De'Aaron Fox
In 12 years, the only pick that they made that has any actual talent is DeMarcus Cousins. Count your lucky stars that you get the 2nd pick, take Doncic and pray that he doesn't leave you in 4 years.
Strangely enough, even though they have been terrible, they haven't lucked into a top 3 pick until this year. That's some terrible lottery luck combined with what seems like a reluctance to pull a Hinkie and just tank a whole year or two, compounded with terrible selections.
2017 Markannen chosen 2 slots after Fox
2015 Take WCS instead of his team mate Devin Booker
2013 CJ McCollum chosen 3 picks after McLemore
2012 Lillard chosen next pick after Thomas Robinson
2011 After trade had 10th pick and took Jimmer Freddette. Klay Thompson chosen next pick
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I read a report that the Kings are considering Porter over Doncic. It's either the truth and I have to ask ??? or it's a lie that can only be pinned on a dumpster organization like the Kings (on no other team, including the Sixers, would this be believable enough to print). The fact that this report actually exists is a direct result of the Kings being a completely incompetent franchise. Does anyone know the last time the Kings had a winning record? 05-06.
Here are the picks from then til now:
06: 19th Quincy Douby
07: 10th Spencer Hawes
08: 12th Jason Thompson
09: 4th Tyreke Evans
10: 5th Demarcus Cousins
11: 7th Bismack Bioyombo
12: 5th: Thomas Robinson
13: 7th: Ben McLemore
14: 8th: Nik Stauskas
15: 6th: Willie Cauley Stein
16: 13th Georgios Papagiannis
17: 5th: De'Aaron Fox
In 12 years, the only pick that they made that has any actual talent is DeMarcus Cousins. Count your lucky stars that you get the 2nd pick, take Doncic and pray that he doesn't leave you in 4 years.
Strangely enough, even though they have been terrible, they haven't lucked into a top 3 pick until this year. That's some terrible lottery luck combined with what seems like a reluctance to pull a Hinkie and just tank a whole year or two, compounded with terrible selections.
2017 Markannen chosen 2 slots after Fox
2015 Take WCS instead of his team mate Devin Booker
2013 CJ McCollum chosen 3 picks after McLemore
2012 Lillard chosen next pick after Thomas Robinson
2011 After trade had 10th pick and took Jimmer Freddette. Klay Thompson chosen next pick
Yikes...
That's a really startling pattern of draft ineptitude. Making any one of those mistakes is forgivable, but making that many mistakes over such a short period of time is inexcusable.
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Fox was a good pick imo. They're starting to get a bit better now.
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I read a report that the Kings are considering Porter over Doncic. It's either the truth and I have to ask ??? or it's a lie that can only be pinned on a dumpster organization like the Kings (on no other team, including the Sixers, would this be believable enough to print). The fact that this report actually exists is a direct result of the Kings being a completely incompetent franchise. Does anyone know the last time the Kings had a winning record? 05-06.
Here are the picks from then til now:
06: 19th Quincy Douby
07: 10th Spencer Hawes
08: 12th Jason Thompson
09: 4th Tyreke Evans
10: 5th Demarcus Cousins
11: 7th Bismack Bioyombo
12: 5th: Thomas Robinson
13: 7th: Ben McLemore
14: 8th: Nik Stauskas
15: 6th: Willie Cauley Stein
16: 13th Georgios Papagiannis
17: 5th: De'Aaron Fox
In 12 years, the only pick that they made that has any actual talent is DeMarcus Cousins. Count your lucky stars that you get the 2nd pick, take Doncic and pray that he doesn't leave you in 4 years.
Strangely enough, even though they have been terrible, they haven't lucked into a top 3 pick until this year. That's some terrible lottery luck combined with what seems like a reluctance to pull a Hinkie and just tank a whole year or two, compounded with terrible selections.
2017 Markannen chosen 2 slots after Fox
2015 Take WCS instead of his team mate Devin Booker
2013 CJ McCollum chosen 3 picks after McLemore
2012 Lillard chosen next pick after Thomas Robinson
2011 After trade had 10th pick and took Jimmer Freddette. Klay Thompson chosen next pick
The Kings would have had the 3rd pick last draft but dropped to 5th with the Sixers because of the pick swap in that lousy salary dump trade.
Fox had a pretty good rookie season. I wouldn't assume Markkanen will be better in 4 years.
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I'd stay far away from Porter. He's cut from the same piece of glass as Greg Oden and Harry Giles..stinks because apparently he is an extremely hard working and pleasant kid.
It is 1 injury though, all related. Now back injuries aren't your normal injuries, but it is still just 1 injury. Oden had several different injuries and Giles has had multiple recurring injuries. I wouldn't put Porter in with them, at least at this point.
Porter still having issues makes him much more likely to be available at a spot that Boston could reasonably get to, and I'd absolutely take the risk on him. He was projected as the top player in the draft (by many) before his injury for a reason.
Jared Sullinger in the making!
Sully produced quite well and it wasn't his back that forced him out of the league.
No, it was the front of his back that did it :)
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Assuming that Porter is not red flagged, the most important statement is at the end of the article. Star potential trumps injury risk.
"Everyone is worried about missing out on a star," one NBA executive told ESPN. "No one wants to miss out on another Joel Embiid."
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Star potential trumps injury risk.
Not always just ask Jared Sullinger, he dropped like a lead weight in his draft.
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Take him if he's available. We don't expect him to play right away, anyway.
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Star potential trumps injury risk.
Not always just ask Jared Sullinger, he dropped like a lead weight in his draft.
Harry Giles a more recent and comparable guy that dropped he had big star potential and hype much like Porter. Depending on the injury this can be bad for Porter
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Star potential trumps injury risk.
Not always just ask Jared Sullinger, he dropped like a lead weight in his draft.
Sully's lack of discipline was more of a factor than his health. Its the same reason he's out of the league now. But even then, he was a solid player.
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Sully's star as a high school prospect and a draft prospect after his freshman year at OSU was every bit as high as any of the bigs at the top of this draft.
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Star potential trumps injury risk.
Not always just ask Jared Sullinger, he dropped like a lead weight in his draft.
Harry Giles a more recent and comparable guy that dropped he had big star potential and hype much like Porter. Depending on the injury this can be bad for Porter
Sullinger was more highly rated after his freshman season. After his sophomore season, he was projected to go around 10th before the injury. Giles had big hype coming out of high school but he didn't look anything close to being a star playing at Duke. Cliff Alexander had huge hype coming out of high school too and he ended up not getting drafted at all because of his poor college play.
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Sully's star as a high school prospect and a draft prospect after his freshman year at OSU was every bit as high as any of the bigs at the top of this draft.
He should have come out as a freshman. His sophomore season showed his limitations even before the injury.
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You do not trade for an injured player
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Michael Porter Jr. has been cleared for second pro day evaluation Friday in Chicago for NBA draft lottery teams, his agency informed teams.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1007449192460103680
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Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) on J&J (92.9FM/680AM) says he’s hearing that there’s a strong likelihood Michael Porter Jr. will redshirt his first NBA season.
https://twitter.com/JasonSmith929/status/1009113081543319552
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Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) on J&J (92.9FM/680AM) says he’s hearing that there’s a strong likelihood Michael Porter Jr. will redshirt his first NBA season.
https://twitter.com/JasonSmith929/status/1009113081543319552
Wow. If that's true that could be massive.
Please pick him Sacramento ;D
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Sully's lack of discipline was more of a factor than his health. Its the same reason he's out of the league now. But even then, he was a solid player.
Nope, you misread the comment. I was stating that Sullinger fell in the draft because of back injury.
Star potential trumps injury risk.
I bet Sam Bowie agrees with you.
He should have come out as a freshman. His sophomore season showed his limitations even before the injury.
You can polish a fecal ball and it is still a fecal ball. His flaws would have surfaced no matter what.
Sully's star as a high school prospect and a draft prospect after his freshman year at OSU was every bit as high as any of the bigs at the top of this draft.
The league is changing, so I would not agree. While he was back then and I complete agree in the past tense. Today, he would be seen not as a modern NBA big. He could not stretch the floor as his shot was poor, he was mediocre to poor athlete and could not have guarded multiple positions.
Porter is the one guy I do not want us to draft. His health scares me, I see skill when I watch the guy but there is something about this athletic ability that I don't trust. He does not elevate well.