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Title: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 14, 2018, 01:00:43 AM
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/2018/06/12/grizzlies-owner-robert-pera-expects-team-win-50-plus-games/695852002/

The Memphis Grizzlies have no plans to engage in a rebuild entering this offseason. The Grizzlies will keep Marc Gasol and Mike Conley in hopes of returning to the playoffs.

“Assuming Marc (Gasol) and Mike (Conley) come back healthy, I think we have a couple of surrounding pieces that are younger players that are going to make a positive impact,” Robert Pera said. “We’ll get another good player in this draft. I see no reason why we can’t return to being a 50-win plus team.”

Pera blamed the issues the Grizzlies faced last season upon injuries.

“In the NBA there are some things you can control; there are some things you can’t control,” Pera said. “There’s some luck and chance involved, too. This year injuries set us back. … If we’re healthy, I expect us to be very competitive.”

Pera plans on taking a more active role as owner moving forward.

“I’d like to put my stamp on the team more now that the ownership situation is resolved,” Pera said. “I’d like to apply some of the skills that made my company, Ubiquiti, successful. I also realize it’s a little bit different. With my company, I can make all the decisions on the long-term (vision). I can be kind of a dictator. With the team, there’s more elements than just the long-term picture. You have to have some transparency with the fans. … How you handle the media and the fans are almost as important as the long-term goals. It took me some time to find my bearings the last several years.”
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: celticsclay on June 14, 2018, 01:51:46 AM
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/2018/06/12/grizzlies-owner-robert-pera-expects-team-win-50-plus-games/695852002/

The Memphis Grizzlies have no plans to engage in a rebuild entering this offseason. The Grizzlies will keep Marc Gasol and Mike Conley in hopes of returning to the playoffs.

“Assuming Marc (Gasol) and Mike (Conley) come back healthy, I think we have a couple of surrounding pieces that are younger players that are going to make a positive impact,” Robert Pera said. “We’ll get another good player in this draft. I see no reason why we can’t return to being a 50-win plus team.”

Pera blamed the issues the Grizzlies faced last season upon injuries.

“In the NBA there are some things you can control; there are some things you can’t control,” Pera said. “There’s some luck and chance involved, too. This year injuries set us back. … If we’re healthy, I expect us to be very competitive.”

Pera plans on taking a more active role as owner moving forward.

“I’d like to put my stamp on the team more now that the ownership situation is resolved,” Pera said. “I’d like to apply some of the skills that made my company, Ubiquiti, successful. I also realize it’s a little bit different. With my company, I can make all the decisions on the long-term (vision). I can be kind of a dictator. With the team, there’s more elements than just the long-term picture. You have to have some transparency with the fans. … How you handle the media and the fans are almost as important as the long-term goals. It took me some time to find my bearings the last several years.”

I think they can compete for the playoffs, 50 wins seems a little ridiculous (though it took 47 to get in last year). The bottom of the west is so competitive they could be quite good and still miss out. If this is their goal, shouldn't they trade their draft pick for a win now player (it is a weird goal)

Tough to see how who they can knock out also..
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: nostar on June 14, 2018, 02:06:51 AM
Not seeing it. Gasol took a step back defensively last year. Conley isn't a superstar and whoever they get at 4 probably isn't going to be an immediate contributor (maybe Doncic). As a small market they need to bottom out for stars under years of team control.

I hope they do complete this year so their pick rolls over to 2020 for us. Less protection and hopefully a better draft class when both Gasol and Conley are aging out.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: byennie on June 14, 2018, 02:20:53 AM
Conley, Gasol, JaMychal Green and (potential) instant impact from someone like Doncic, Jaren Jackson or Marvin Bagley isn't a bad start, but they'll still need guys like Ben McLemore and Wayne Selden to make serious contributions if they want to sniff the playoffs in the west. That's a lot of IFs.

Of course it's a bit of a middling waste... the window is shut on coming out of the west with Conley and Gasol and $24M worth of Chandler Parsons' corpse.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: liam on June 14, 2018, 02:29:09 AM
I don't see it. Who are they pushing out of the playoffs? Denver had 46 wins and didn't make the playoffs and I don't think the Grizz will be as good as Denver this year. I think the Grizz end up at the back of the lotto at like 12.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: trickybilly on June 14, 2018, 02:52:26 AM
Let's hope they carry that belief still at the trade deadline. Sooo frustrating that we will have potentially 4 first round picks in (arguably - feel free to argue) the weakest draft since 2013..
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: CelticsElite on June 14, 2018, 03:12:20 AM
Let's hope they carry that belief still at the trade deadline. Sooo frustrating that we will have potentially 4 first round picks in (arguably - feel free to argue) the weakest draft since 2013..
who decided it was a weak draft? And how did that strong draft of 2014 work out? Wiggins , parker, exum, randle vonleh stauskas, mcdermott, payton? Where are these people ?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/f7/7c/cff77c6cdd3f7164b98892c5f8b11a55.jpg)

http://slammagazine.wikia.com/wiki/SLAM_182?file=SLAM182.jpg
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: gouki88 on June 14, 2018, 03:27:11 AM
Doubtful
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: Surferdad on June 14, 2018, 06:04:46 AM
Not seeing it. Gasol took a step back defensively last year. Conley isn't a superstar and whoever they get at 4 probably isn't going to be an immediate contributor (maybe Doncic). As a small market they need to bottom out for stars under years of team control.

I hope they do complete this year so their pick rolls over to 2020 for us. Less protection and hopefully a better draft class when both Gasol and Conley are aging out.
Well, at least there was one piece of useful information in this thread.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: Rakulp on June 14, 2018, 06:15:29 AM
Denial isn't just a river in....ah heck, forget it...too easy.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: ederson on June 14, 2018, 06:42:48 AM
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I think about it every night and day (Night and day)
Spread my wings and fly away
I believe I can soar
I see me running through that open door
I believe I can fly
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Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: JBcat on June 14, 2018, 07:00:58 AM
Tyreke Evans was a big part of their team last year.  It will be interesting to see if he returns.

I hope they are bottom 8 in the league so that pick owed to us rolls over to next year.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: saltlover on June 14, 2018, 07:06:14 AM
This is what we call trying to sell season tickets.  No more, no less.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: trickybilly on June 14, 2018, 07:51:42 AM
Let's hope they carry that belief still at the trade deadline. Sooo frustrating that we will have potentially 4 first round picks in (arguably - feel free to argue) the weakest draft since 2013..
who decided it was a weak draft? And how did that strong draft of 2014 work out? Wiggins , parker, exum, randle vonleh stauskas, mcdermott, payton? Where are these people ?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/f7/7c/cff77c6cdd3f7164b98892c5f8b11a55.jpg)

http://slammagazine.wikia.com/wiki/SLAM_182?file=SLAM182.jpg

I think that was always billed as a top heavy draft. I forget though.. but yeah fine, drafts can fail to live up to/exceed the hype...
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: Moranis on June 14, 2018, 08:10:23 AM
Let's hope they carry that belief still at the trade deadline. Sooo frustrating that we will have potentially 4 first round picks in (arguably - feel free to argue) the weakest draft since 2013..
who decided it was a weak draft? And how did that strong draft of 2014 work out? Wiggins , parker, exum, randle vonleh stauskas, mcdermott, payton? Where are these people ?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/f7/7c/cff77c6cdd3f7164b98892c5f8b11a55.jpg)

http://slammagazine.wikia.com/wiki/SLAM_182?file=SLAM182.jpg

I think that was always billed as a top heavy draft. I forget though.. but yeah fine, drafts can fail to live up to/exceed the hype...
It was Wiggins, Parker, and Embiid and then a bunch of mid tier at best prospects.  Parker keeps blowing out his knees.  Embiid obviously looks like a real star.  Wiggins, the supposed good defender but poor offensive player, has been the exact opposite of what he was projected (which is just very strange). 
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: slamtheking on June 14, 2018, 08:32:31 AM
Not seeing it. Gasol took a step back defensively last year. Conley isn't a superstar and whoever they get at 4 probably isn't going to be an immediate contributor (maybe Doncic). As a small market they need to bottom out for stars under years of team control.

I hope they do compete this year so their pick rolls over to 2020 for us. Less protection and hopefully a better draft class when both Gasol and Conley are aging out.
Well, at least there was one piece of useful information in this thread.
not really.  if they compete, well enough not to finish in the bottom 8, the pick conveys next draft.

I think there's enough talent in Memphis to finish outside the bottom 8 so I think that pick will be coming over next year.  The Clips pick, lottery protected the next 2 years, may never convey as a first since the Clips aren't looking playoff worthy without CP3 or Griffin on that roster.

C's are probably looking at a Sac pick 2-5, Memphis pick 10-16 and their own pick 26-30 next year.  A decent spread throughout the draft. 
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: mef730 on June 14, 2018, 08:44:20 AM
Denial isn't just a river in....ah heck, forget it...too easy.

a river in Memphis?

Mike
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: Big333223 on June 14, 2018, 08:50:50 AM
Not seeing it. Gasol took a step back defensively last year. Conley isn't a superstar and whoever they get at 4 probably isn't going to be an immediate contributor (maybe Doncic). As a small market they need to bottom out for stars under years of team control.

I hope they do complete this year so their pick rolls over to 2020 for us. Less protection and hopefully a better draft class when both Gasol and Conley are aging out.
Well, at least there was one piece of useful information in this thread.

I think we want them to not compete. The pick is protected top 8 next summer so all they'd have to do is not be one of the 8 worst teams in the league (so win, like, 30 games) and the pick will convey to the Celtics. We'd be better if they decided to tank and then the pick would roll over with lesser protections.

My bet is still that they try to move #4 for a veteran wing to help them compete right now, give Gasol and Conley one more run at it and then start rebuilding after they've completed their obligation to Boston.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: saltlover on June 14, 2018, 09:06:30 AM
Not seeing it. Gasol took a step back defensively last year. Conley isn't a superstar and whoever they get at 4 probably isn't going to be an immediate contributor (maybe Doncic). As a small market they need to bottom out for stars under years of team control.

I hope they do compete this year so their pick rolls over to 2020 for us. Less protection and hopefully a better draft class when both Gasol and Conley are aging out.
Well, at least there was one piece of useful information in this thread.
not really.  if they compete, well enough not to finish in the bottom 8, the pick conveys next draft.

I think there's enough talent in Memphis to finish outside the bottom 8 so I think that pick will be coming over next year.  The Clips pick, lottery protected the next 2 years, may never convey as a first since the Clips aren't looking playoff worthy without CP3 or Griffin on that roster.

C's are probably looking at a Sac pick 2-5, Memphis pick 10-16 and their own pick 26-30 next year.  A decent spread throughout the draft.

I think you’re underrating the Clippers.  They had a ton of injuries, and had to start late 2nd-rounders at PG for half the season because of them, and stil finished with a winning record.  If they can stay reasonably healthy this year (which is a definite if given some of their core players’ history) the playoffs is a solid possibility, assuming Jordan doesn’t leave.  They have a lot of money invested in the team, Ballmer wants to win, as does Doc, and they’re good enough to not be a bottom-feeder.  I’d say it’s at least 50-50 we get that pick in the next two seasons.

Meanwhile, it’s very difficult for me to see Memphis being better than 12th in the West next year.  Conley and Gasol are great, but they’re also on the downside, and the rest of the roster is rather thin.  If they get Doncic, perhaps that will give them an immediate boost, but otherwise I think that’s a team that will have a difficult time getting over the hump this year.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: slamtheking on June 14, 2018, 10:20:11 AM
Not seeing it. Gasol took a step back defensively last year. Conley isn't a superstar and whoever they get at 4 probably isn't going to be an immediate contributor (maybe Doncic). As a small market they need to bottom out for stars under years of team control.

I hope they do compete this year so their pick rolls over to 2020 for us. Less protection and hopefully a better draft class when both Gasol and Conley are aging out.
Well, at least there was one piece of useful information in this thread.
not really.  if they compete, well enough not to finish in the bottom 8, the pick conveys next draft.

I think there's enough talent in Memphis to finish outside the bottom 8 so I think that pick will be coming over next year.  The Clips pick, lottery protected the next 2 years, may never convey as a first since the Clips aren't looking playoff worthy without CP3 or Griffin on that roster.

C's are probably looking at a Sac pick 2-5, Memphis pick 10-16 and their own pick 26-30 next year.  A decent spread throughout the draft.

I think you’re underrating the Clippers.  They had a ton of injuries, and had to start late 2nd-rounders at PG for half the season because of them, and stil finished with a winning record.  If they can stay reasonably healthy this year (which is a definite if given some of their core players’ history) the playoffs is a solid possibility, assuming Jordan doesn’t leave.  They have a lot of money invested in the team, Ballmer wants to win, as does Doc, and they’re good enough to not be a bottom-feeder.  I’d say it’s at least 50-50 we get that pick in the next two seasons.

Meanwhile, it’s very difficult for me to see Memphis being better than 12th in the West next year.  Conley and Gasol are great, but they’re also on the downside, and the rest of the roster is rather thin.  If they get Doncic, perhaps that will give them an immediate boost, but otherwise I think that’s a team that will have a difficult time getting over the hump this year.
we'll see.  obviously I'd like to be wrong about the Clips since I'd like that pick to convey as a first rounder.  As for Memphis, I think a healthy Gasol and Conley will make a significant difference where they'll be able to compete for that last playoff spot out west.  better for us if they just miss or even better if they're still pretty bad and the pick carries over another year (or 2).
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on June 14, 2018, 11:07:21 AM
Return to the playoffs? Big deal. Maybe be the 8 seed and get swept by the Warriors or Rockets? Is that worth keeping the gang together? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: jambr380 on June 14, 2018, 11:14:18 AM
Return to the playoffs? Big deal. Maybe be the 8 seed and get swept by the Warriors or Rockets? Is that worth keeping the gang together? I don't think so.

It's worth selling tickets and giving the Cs a so-so pick. If they continue down this path, it will absolutely just be about money. No way in heck are they winning anything next year and they won't have their 1st anyway. How much are any of their players actually worth in a trade? The #4 pick will still receive plenty of developmental time - it's not like the Grizzlies are super-deep.

Even though they will just be wading water, it is honestly probably the best idea for their franchise. They can tear it down after 2019.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on June 14, 2018, 11:45:05 AM
Return to the playoffs? Big deal. Maybe be the 8 seed and get swept by the Warriors or Rockets? Is that worth keeping the gang together? I don't think so.

It's worth selling tickets and giving the Cs a so-so pick. If they continue down this path, it will absolutely just be about money. No way in heck are they winning anything next year and they won't have their 1st anyway. How much are any of their players actually worth in a trade? The #4 pick will still receive plenty of developmental time - it's not like the Grizzlies are super-deep.

Even though they will just be wading water, it is honestly probably the best idea for their franchise. They can tear it down after 2019.

I thought of the tickets angle, but they're likely to play only 2 home playoff games—is that really worth it? From the owner's perspective, I guess so. And it's a good experience for the players. I just think it's an exercise in futility. And they could probably get something good in return for Gasol and Conley that will help in their rebuild.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: Moranis on June 14, 2018, 12:06:15 PM
I absolutely think the Grizzlies could make the playoffs if all goes well, but what exactly is their other option.  At this point neither Gasol or Conley has all that much trade value and with them owing Boston a pick at some point, it loosens the desire to tank.  Why not give it another go and at worst you potentially rebuild some trade value for Gasol or Conley so you can move on from them next summer (or at the deadline if it looks bleak then)?  Delaying the tank decision a year, seems like the most optimal move. 
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: PhoSita on June 14, 2018, 12:19:28 PM
I think with health they are a 40-45 win team at best. That might be good enough to make the playoffs in a down year for the west.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: saltlover on June 14, 2018, 03:25:44 PM
Meanwhile, there’s a report from The Athletic that the Grizzlies would give up #4 to dump Chandler Parsons (owed $49 million over two years).  This would give them ~$20 million in cap space if they found a taker, but at a heavy cost.

I find it interesting from the Memphis angle, but also the Lakers angle and how difficult it will be to move Luol Deng ($37 million over two years).

Also, Chandler Parsons agent is amazing.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: Moranis on June 14, 2018, 03:31:28 PM
Meanwhile, there’s a report from The Athletic that the Grizzlies would give up #4 to dump Chandler Parsons (owed $49 million over two years).  This would give them ~$20 million in cap space if they found a taker, but at a heavy cost.

I find it interesting from the Memphis angle, but also the Lakers angle and how difficult it will be to move Luol Deng ($37 million over two years).

Also, Chandler Parsons agent is amazing.
I can't believe a team like the Hawks wouldn't take that trade.  They aren't going to do anything in free agency the next couple of seasons anyway and they have to pay someone and that would really kick start their rebuild as they could end up with Doncic/Bagley and then whichever big guy they like Jackson/Bamba or they could take a riskier pick like Porter.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: Monkhouse on June 14, 2018, 03:47:32 PM
Meanwhile, there’s a report from The Athletic that the Grizzlies would give up #4 to dump Chandler Parsons (owed $49 million over two years).  This would give them ~$20 million in cap space if they found a taker, but at a heavy cost.

I find it interesting from the Memphis angle, but also the Lakers angle and how difficult it will be to move Luol Deng ($37 million over two years).

Also, Chandler Parsons agent is amazing.

What? They would give up the 4th pick to get rid of Parsons? That's a terrible move.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on June 14, 2018, 03:56:57 PM
Meanwhile, there’s a report from The Athletic that the Grizzlies would give up #4 to dump Chandler Parsons (owed $49 million over two years).  This would give them ~$20 million in cap space if they found a taker, but at a heavy cost.

I find it interesting from the Memphis angle, but also the Lakers angle and how difficult it will be to move Luol Deng ($37 million over two years).

Also, Chandler Parsons agent is amazing.

What? They would give up the 4th pick to get rid of Parsons? That's a terrible move.

Maybe they use his contract to balance a deal for a superstar on a team that is going into rebuild mode?
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: saltlover on June 14, 2018, 03:59:03 PM
Meanwhile, there’s a report from The Athletic that the Grizzlies would give up #4 to dump Chandler Parsons (owed $49 million over two years).  This would give them ~$20 million in cap space if they found a taker, but at a heavy cost.

I find it interesting from the Memphis angle, but also the Lakers angle and how difficult it will be to move Luol Deng ($37 million over two years).

Also, Chandler Parsons agent is amazing.

What? They would give up the 4th pick to get rid of Parsons? That's a terrible move.

Maybe they use his contract to balance a deal for a superstar on a team that is going into rebuild mode?

No, I don’t think that’s the play here.  I’ve seen that Deng’s deal, which is $6 million less per year, should cost the Lakers 2 1sts to move.  This pricing seems to be in the same vein.  Maybe they could get a late 1st back, but definitely not a star player.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: Monkhouse on June 14, 2018, 04:07:06 PM
Meanwhile, there’s a report from The Athletic that the Grizzlies would give up #4 to dump Chandler Parsons (owed $49 million over two years).  This would give them ~$20 million in cap space if they found a taker, but at a heavy cost.

I find it interesting from the Memphis angle, but also the Lakers angle and how difficult it will be to move Luol Deng ($37 million over two years).

Also, Chandler Parsons agent is amazing.

What? They would give up the 4th pick to get rid of Parsons? That's a terrible move.

Maybe they use his contract to balance a deal for a superstar on a team that is going into rebuild mode?

No, I don’t think that’s the play here.  I’ve seen that Deng’s deal, which is $6 million less per year, should cost the Lakers 2 1sts to move.  This pricing seems to be in the same vein.  Maybe they could get a late 1st back, but definitely not a star player.

Lakers situation is different. They want to bring in FA. Grizzlies are a small market team with aging stars, and no clear focus on contending or rebuilding. They should just wait out Parsons contract, and pray he gains some semblance of value as a expiring contract.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: saltlover on June 14, 2018, 04:12:35 PM
Meanwhile, there’s a report from The Athletic that the Grizzlies would give up #4 to dump Chandler Parsons (owed $49 million over two years).  This would give them ~$20 million in cap space if they found a taker, but at a heavy cost.

I find it interesting from the Memphis angle, but also the Lakers angle and how difficult it will be to move Luol Deng ($37 million over two years).

Also, Chandler Parsons agent is amazing.

What? They would give up the 4th pick to get rid of Parsons? That's a terrible move.

Maybe they use his contract to balance a deal for a superstar on a team that is going into rebuild mode?

No, I don’t think that’s the play here.  I’ve seen that Deng’s deal, which is $6 million less per year, should cost the Lakers 2 1sts to move.  This pricing seems to be in the same vein.  Maybe they could get a late 1st back, but definitely not a star player.

Lakers situation is different. They want to bring in FA. Grizzlies are a small market team with aging stars, and no clear focus on contending or rebuilding. They should just wait out Parsons contract, and pray he gains some semblance of value as a expiring contract.

I don’t disagree.  I’m just saying I don’t think Parsons and #4 brings back a valuable player.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: MattyIce on June 14, 2018, 04:14:44 PM
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Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: MattyIce on June 14, 2018, 04:18:39 PM
Meanwhile, there’s a report from The Athletic that the Grizzlies would give up #4 to dump Chandler Parsons (owed $49 million over two years).  This would give them ~$20 million in cap space if they found a taker, but at a heavy cost.

I find it interesting from the Memphis angle, but also the Lakers angle and how difficult it will be to move Luol Deng ($37 million over two years).

Also, Chandler Parsons agent is amazing.

What? They would give up the 4th pick to get rid of Parsons? That's a terrible move.

Maybe they use his contract to balance a deal for a superstar on a team that is going into rebuild mode?

No, I don’t think that’s the play here.  I’ve seen that Deng’s deal, which is $6 million less per year, should cost the Lakers 2 1sts to move.  This pricing seems to be in the same vein.  Maybe they could get a late 1st back, but definitely not a star player.

Lakers situation is different. They want to bring in FA. Grizzlies are a small market team with aging stars, and no clear focus on contending or rebuilding. They should just wait out Parsons contract, and pray he gains some semblance of value as a expiring contract.

I don’t disagree.  I’m just saying I don’t think Parsons and #4 brings back a valuable player.

if lebron leaves could they get Love?
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: Moranis on June 14, 2018, 04:25:05 PM
Meanwhile, there’s a report from The Athletic that the Grizzlies would give up #4 to dump Chandler Parsons (owed $49 million over two years).  This would give them ~$20 million in cap space if they found a taker, but at a heavy cost.

I find it interesting from the Memphis angle, but also the Lakers angle and how difficult it will be to move Luol Deng ($37 million over two years).

Also, Chandler Parsons agent is amazing.

What? They would give up the 4th pick to get rid of Parsons? That's a terrible move.

Maybe they use his contract to balance a deal for a superstar on a team that is going into rebuild mode?

No, I don’t think that’s the play here.  I’ve seen that Deng’s deal, which is $6 million less per year, should cost the Lakers 2 1sts to move.  This pricing seems to be in the same vein.  Maybe they could get a late 1st back, but definitely not a star player.

Lakers situation is different. They want to bring in FA. Grizzlies are a small market team with aging stars, and no clear focus on contending or rebuilding. They should just wait out Parsons contract, and pray he gains some semblance of value as a expiring contract.

I don’t disagree.  I’m just saying I don’t think Parsons and #4 brings back a valuable player.

if lebron leaves could they get Love?
the problem is, Cleveland would almost certainly want the pick before the draft, which means they would have to make that move before the draft.  Now maybe if James opts in and tells them he wants to be traded, they might have enough time to do that, but I'm not sure the Cavs would want Parsons, 4 for Love as they have talked about not immediately tanking if James leaves (since they have such high salary constraints next year anyway). 
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 14, 2018, 04:28:37 PM
Chris Wallace.... not surprised!  ::)
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: liam on June 14, 2018, 04:36:18 PM
Meanwhile, there’s a report from The Athletic that the Grizzlies would give up #4 to dump Chandler Parsons (owed $49 million over two years).  This would give them ~$20 million in cap space if they found a taker, but at a heavy cost.

I find it interesting from the Memphis angle, but also the Lakers angle and how difficult it will be to move Luol Deng ($37 million over two years).

Also, Chandler Parsons agent is amazing.

What? They would give up the 4th pick to get rid of Parsons? That's a terrible move.

Maybe they use his contract to balance a deal for a superstar on a team that is going into rebuild mode?

No, I don’t think that’s the play here.  I’ve seen that Deng’s deal, which is $6 million less per year, should cost the Lakers 2 1sts to move.  This pricing seems to be in the same vein.  Maybe they could get a late 1st back, but definitely not a star player.

Lakers situation is different. They want to bring in FA. Grizzlies are a small market team with aging stars, and no clear focus on contending or rebuilding. They should just wait out Parsons contract, and pray he gains some semblance of value as a expiring contract.

I don’t disagree.  I’m just saying I don’t think Parsons and #4 brings back a valuable player.

You have to give something to unload Parsons at this point.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: JBcat on June 14, 2018, 05:22:13 PM
I don’t think there is any real shot of them making the playoffs.  They will get Conley back, but there is a great chance they lose Evans who averaged 19.4 PPG.  Gasol is creeping up in age at 33.

The question for me is will they be bad enough to remain in the bottom 8 teams in the league.  They will be competing with the Mavs, Kings, Lakers (if they strike out in FA), Suns, Hawks, Bulls, Nets, Magic, Knicks (with Porzingas hurt), maybe Cavs if Lebron leaves and Love is then traded, maybe teams like the Clippers, Jazz, Pistons, or Hornets take a step back.

I realize I just mentioned almost half the league haha so it’s going to be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: Monkhouse on June 14, 2018, 06:43:12 PM
I posted this in another thread, but does anyone think the Clippers are the dark horse to get the 4th pick?

I have a feeling the Clippers will package some of their picks to move up... Would the Clippers and Grizzlies bite on the 4th pick for Parsons in exchange for Tobias Harris and Patrick Beverly and picks #12 and #13?

It would suck to eat Parsons contract, but if they are out of the running for the LeBron sweepstakes, and would allow them to rebuild considering DeAndre Jordan isn't going to sign with that team. It gives them the potential to draft a franchise player, and they could re-sign Rivers/Bradley as a young core to move forward with.

Grizzlies do it, because it gives them flexbility to upgrade positions based on 12/13th pick along with getting Beverly a defensive minded PG for backup, or to start alongside with Conley, and Harris could be slotted at their forward spot.

http://tradenba.com/trades/BJJtwY6gm
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: saltlover on June 14, 2018, 06:47:12 PM
I posted this in another thread, but does anyone think the Clippers are the dark horse to get the 4th pick?

I have a feeling the Clippers will package some of their picks to move up... Would the Clippers and Grizzlies bite on the 4th pick for Parsons in exchange for Tobias Harris and Patrick Beverly and picks #12 and #13?

It would suck to eat Parsons contract, but if they are out of the running for the LeBron sweepstakes, and would allow them to rebuild considering DeAndre Jordan isn't going to sign with that team. It gives them the potential to draft a franchise player, and they could re-sign Rivers/Bradley as a young core to move forward with.

Grizzlies do it, because it gives them flexbility to upgrade positions based on 12/13th pick along with getting Beverly a defensive minded PG for backup, or to start alongside with Conley, and Harris could be slotted at their forward spot.

http://tradenba.com/trades/BJJtwY6gm

I replied in the other trade that such a deal would be a coup for Memphis.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 14, 2018, 07:14:31 PM
Maybe they gettn Lebron ?  :)
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: Big333223 on June 14, 2018, 08:25:35 PM
Meanwhile, there’s a report from The Athletic that the Grizzlies would give up #4 to dump Chandler Parsons (owed $49 million over two years).  This would give them ~$20 million in cap space if they found a taker, but at a heavy cost.

I find it interesting from the Memphis angle, but also the Lakers angle and how difficult it will be to move Luol Deng ($37 million over two years).

Also, Chandler Parsons agent is amazing.

What? They would give up the 4th pick to get rid of Parsons? That's a terrible move.

Maybe they use his contract to balance a deal for a superstar on a team that is going into rebuild mode?

No, I don’t think that’s the play here.  I’ve seen that Deng’s deal, which is $6 million less per year, should cost the Lakers 2 1sts to move.  This pricing seems to be in the same vein.  Maybe they could get a late 1st back, but definitely not a star player.

Lakers situation is different. They want to bring in FA. Grizzlies are a small market team with aging stars, and no clear focus on contending or rebuilding. They should just wait out Parsons contract, and pray he gains some semblance of value as a expiring contract.

I don’t disagree.  I’m just saying I don’t think Parsons and #4 brings back a valuable player.

if lebron leaves could they get Love?

That's an interesting idea. If Lebron leaves, Cleveland couldn't do better than the #4 pick for love and I don't think they'd care about taking on money because they would be essentially taking the next two years off anyway. Offload what money you can and let the rest of the big contracts run their course while you develop #4, #8, and whatever players you get from losing a bunch in the next two summers.

For Memphis, they get a player in his prime to give Gasol and Conley one more run. They still need wings but maybe Dillon Brooks and Andrew Harrison are ready for more.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: footey on June 14, 2018, 08:53:06 PM
If Doncic falls in their lap as projected, and Conley and Gasoline are healthy, I could see them competing for a playoff spot.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: gouki88 on June 14, 2018, 08:56:50 PM
If Doncic falls in their lap as projected, and Conley and Gasoline are healthy, I could see them competing for a playoff spot.
He would be awesome in between Conley and Gasol. Especially if they can bring Reke back
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 14, 2018, 10:46:11 PM
Possible but unlikely. They have to jump over a lot of teams to make the playoffs. They're supposedly offering the pick up in an attempt to shed Parsons' contract. One rumor was for McCollum.

I can see this pick not being as high as we would like, but I have a tough time seeing them make the playoffs. Gasol's in decline and players don't usually get better at 33.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe They Can Return To Playoffs In 18-19
Post by: konkmv on June 15, 2018, 12:10:42 AM
If the pick is top 9 or 10 next year you will get a good player... all that stuff about a weak draft is just laughable.... you cannot get a Tatum in every draft and be a top team at the same time
Title: Memphis looking for a package deal for no4 and Parsons
Post by: ederson on June 15, 2018, 02:49:19 AM
Does the no4 worth the 50m dead weight for 2 years?

https://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2018/6/14/17466636/reports-memphis-shopping-chandler-parsons-4-pick-in-trade-talks-grizzlies-2018-nba-draft-rumors
Title: Re: Memphis looking for a package deal for no4 and Parsons
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 03:08:21 AM
Does the no4 worth the 50m dead weight for 2 years?

https://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2018/6/14/17466636/reports-memphis-shopping-chandler-parsons-4-pick-in-trade-talks-grizzlies-2018-nba-draft-rumors
if you're some team like Brooklyn, that's totally worth it.
Title: Re: Memphis looking for a package deal for no4 and Parsons
Post by: gouki88 on June 15, 2018, 03:34:47 AM
Does the no4 worth the 50m dead weight for 2 years?

https://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2018/6/14/17466636/reports-memphis-shopping-chandler-parsons-4-pick-in-trade-talks-grizzlies-2018-nba-draft-rumors
if you're some team like Brooklyn, that's totally worth it.
Precisely. For a team like us, no way. But if you're starved of young talent, definitely worth it
Title: Re: Memphis looking for a package deal for no4 and Parsons
Post by: ederson on June 15, 2018, 05:13:35 AM
Let's say memphis get back 25m nonguaranteed  contracts (best case scenario imho)

And then ? Target an FA ? 
Title: Re: Memphis looking for a package deal for no4 and Parsons
Post by: ederson on June 15, 2018, 05:36:42 AM
Maybe this should be locked ... Just saw it is being discussed here http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=96804.0
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: slamtheking on June 15, 2018, 08:12:19 AM
Does the no4 worth the 50m dead weight for 2 years?

https://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2018/6/14/17466636/reports-memphis-shopping-chandler-parsons-4-pick-in-trade-talks-grizzlies-2018-nba-draft-rumors
if you're some team like Brooklyn, that's totally worth it.
Precisely. For a team like us, no way. But if you're starved of young talent, definitely worth it
agreed. 

I think it would hurt Memphis more than help but not only could I see Brooklyn doing it, but Phx as well.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: RodyTur10 on June 15, 2018, 09:53:37 AM
Minnesota should try to sell Wiggins to them. They aren't competing for a title the next two years, so why not take a little step back and set yourself up for the future. Wiggins just isn't a good fit on that team with Teague, Butler and Towns. He takes too many shots, not a good defender and also not a great floor spacer.

Wiggins isn't a terrible player, but not really worth of his max contract. Trade him now for Parsons and after two years you clear up cap space to improve the team. In the mean time you can add a top prospect (maybe Doncic or Bagley) and hopefully Parsons can stay healthy while still being a playoff team.

Edit: or Phoenix could offer #16 pick, Warren, Knight, Chriss and '19 Milwaukee 1st (prot.) for #4 + Parsons.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 15, 2018, 10:03:38 AM
Minnesota should try to sell Wiggins to them. They aren't competing for a title the next two years, so why not take a little step back and set yourself up for the future. Wiggins just isn't a good fit on that team with Teague, Butler and Towns. He takes too many shots, not a good defender and also not a great floor spacer.

Wiggins isn't a terrible player, but not really worth of his max contract. Trade him now for Parsons and after two years you clear up cap space to improve the team. In the mean time you can add a top prospect (maybe Doncic or Bagley) and hopefully Parsons can stay healthy while still being a playoff team.

Minnesota just made the playoffs for the first time since before they traded KG.  Competing for a title isn’t an end goal for every team, and certainly Minnesota needs to keep the goodwill they earned with their fans this year.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: RodyTur10 on June 15, 2018, 10:17:43 AM
Minnesota should try to sell Wiggins to them. They aren't competing for a title the next two years, so why not take a little step back and set yourself up for the future. Wiggins just isn't a good fit on that team with Teague, Butler and Towns. He takes too many shots, not a good defender and also not a great floor spacer.

Wiggins isn't a terrible player, but not really worth of his max contract. Trade him now for Parsons and after two years you clear up cap space to improve the team. In the mean time you can add a top prospect (maybe Doncic or Bagley) and hopefully Parsons can stay healthy while still being a playoff team.

Minnesota just made the playoffs for the first time since before they traded KG.  Competing for a title isn’t an end goal for every team, and certainly Minnesota needs to keep the goodwill they earned with their fans this year.

I don't think Wiggins is a crucial part of that team, although 1 or 2 wins less would have thrown them out the playoffs this year. But Towns is a franchise player and they should do everything to build a championship worthy team around him.

Teague, Wiggins, Butler, Gibson and Dieng is not enough quality nor quantity for now and they don't have many other assets to improve the team. Without Butler that team plummets and loses valuable defense and experience, while the others (Teague, Gibson and Dieng) probably don't have trade value. Therefore I'd use Wiggins to get young cheaper talent. I also think that Towns will play better (get more touches) without Wiggins and attract high quality free agents.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: perks-a-beast on June 15, 2018, 02:59:31 PM
MEM gets: Gordon Hayward & Guerschon Yabusele
BOS gets: 4th pick (Bagley), JaMychal Green, and Chandler Parsons

Who says no?
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 03:04:32 PM
MEM gets: Gordon Hayward & Guerschon Yabusele
BOS gets: 4th pick (Bagley), JaMychal Green, and Chandler Parsons

Who says no?

Boston.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: RodyTur10 on June 15, 2018, 03:08:32 PM
MEM gets: Gordon Hayward & Guerschon Yabusele
BOS gets: 4th pick (Bagley), JaMychal Green, and Chandler Parsons

Who says no?

Memphis would agree with this deal, but why would Boston do this?

Hayward will be a key player in the pursuit for the Championship.

Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: Big333223 on June 15, 2018, 05:52:39 PM
MEM gets: Gordon Hayward & Guerschon Yabusele
BOS gets: 4th pick (Bagley), JaMychal Green, and Chandler Parsons

Who says no?

Boston.

Yeah, Boston.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 19, 2018, 06:51:21 PM
Quote
Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) on the show: "Mo Bamba has refused to come to work out for Memphis, refused to share his medicals, and has told them openly he would prefer not to be in Memphis."

https://twitter.com/JohnMartin929/status/1009113255506272256
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: gouki88 on June 19, 2018, 07:10:00 PM
Quote
Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) on the show: "Mo Bamba has refused to come to work out for Memphis, refused to share his medicals, and has told them openly he would prefer not to be in Memphis."

https://twitter.com/JohnMartin929/status/1009113255506272256
Very interesting. Wonder what makes him think this
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 19, 2018, 07:18:59 PM
Quote
Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) on the show: "Mo Bamba has refused to come to work out for Memphis, refused to share his medicals, and has told them openly he would prefer not to be in Memphis."

https://twitter.com/JohnMartin929/status/1009113255506272256
Very interesting. Wonder what makes him think this

What did John martin say?
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 19, 2018, 07:24:03 PM
Bamba is forcing himself to a team below Memphis

Dallas or Orlando perhaps
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 19, 2018, 07:24:47 PM
Quote
Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) on the show: "Mo Bamba has refused to come to work out for Memphis, refused to share his medicals, and has told them openly he would prefer not to be in Memphis."

https://twitter.com/JohnMartin929/status/1009113255506272256
Very interesting. Wonder what makes him think this

Reddit users think that he would be behind Gasol, and that would stunt his development, plus he would rather play for Atlanta. Plus the rumors of Grizzlies trying to trade the 4th pick, would give him some cause of concern, most likely contingent on whether or not the Kings may trade with him.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 19, 2018, 07:31:47 PM
Quote
Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) on the show: "Mo Bamba has refused to come to work out for Memphis, refused to share his medicals, and has told them openly he would prefer not to be in Memphis."

https://twitter.com/JohnMartin929/status/1009113255506272256
Very interesting. Wonder what makes him think this

Reddit users think that he would be behind Gasol, and that would stunt his development, plus he would rather play for Atlanta. Plus the rumors of Grizzlies trying to trade the 4th pick, would give him some cause of concern, most likely contingent on whether or not the Kings may trade with him.
atlanta selects before Memphis so it has nothing to do with that. Bamba refusing to play for Memphis does not affect atlantas decision whatsoever unless he publicly  says he wants atl
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 19, 2018, 07:44:22 PM
Quote
Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) on the show: "Mo Bamba has refused to come to work out for Memphis, refused to share his medicals, and has told them openly he would prefer not to be in Memphis."

https://twitter.com/JohnMartin929/status/1009113255506272256
Very interesting. Wonder what makes him think this

Reddit users think that he would be behind Gasol, and that would stunt his development, plus he would rather play for Atlanta. Plus the rumors of Grizzlies trying to trade the 4th pick, would give him some cause of concern, most likely contingent on whether or not the Kings may trade with him.
atlanta selects before Memphis so it has nothing to do with that. Bamba refusing to play for Memphis does not affect atlantas decision whatsoever unless he publicly  says he wants atl

That's true, I guess it really boils down to a lot of theories. My guess is that he already has a draft promise, or he just doesn't like Memphis. I mean honestly, there aren't that many players that enjoy playing in Memphis anyways. I feel bad for them, but it seems like their priorities, plus the fact they don't seem to be trending in the right direction. (Basically a treadmill team with no hope to improve unless their trading their 4th pick.)
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: footey on June 19, 2018, 08:06:59 PM
Bamba is forcing himself to a team below Memphis

Dallas or Orlando perhaps

could make a package led by Rozier and Sac pick for Bamba more possible, especially if he falls to Orlando.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: Surferdad on June 19, 2018, 08:22:36 PM
Bamba is forcing himself to a team below Memphis

Dallas or Orlando perhaps

could make a package led by Rozier and Sac pick for Bamba more possible, especially if he falls to Orlando.
Even Orlando is not that dumb. If Bamba is there, you pick him, IMO, and get your rebuild underway.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: mef730 on June 19, 2018, 08:51:38 PM
Rumor is that the Celtics made Bamba a draft promise at #27.

;)

Mike
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: Rondo9 on June 19, 2018, 08:53:30 PM
Rumor is that the Celtics made Bamba a draft promise at #27.

;)

Mike

Stop with the clickbait.
Title: Re: Grizzlies Believe Return To Playoffs/Possible trade #4 & Parsons(merged threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 19, 2018, 08:54:19 PM
Bamba is forcing himself to a team below Memphis

Dallas or Orlando perhaps

could make a package led by Rozier and Sac pick for Bamba more possible, especially if he falls to Orlando.
Even Orlando is not that dumb. If Bamba is there, you pick him, IMO, and get your rebuild underway.

Um, this is Orlando we are talking about lol. They have made some questionable moves in the past few years. Losing Oladipo, drafting Hezonja, giving Biyombo that awful contract..