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Title: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: CelticsElite on June 12, 2018, 06:08:11 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23773489/kyrie-irving-says-signing-contract-extension-boston-celtics-make-sense

Celtics All-Star point guard Kyrie Irving said Tuesday that a contract extension this summer doesn't make sense for him and that while he's already bracing for the daily questions about his future, his sole focus is on getting healthy for next season and helping Boston take another step toward title contention.

"Contractually, financially, [an extension] just doesn't make any sense," Irving said.


Irving is eligible for a four-year, $107 million extension, but that would be $80 million less than what Irving could earn if he waits until the summer of 2019 and re-signs with Boston after opting out of the final year of his current pact.
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"I think you guys can feel my attitude is really just redemption next year. Really integrating myself with our team again and really focus on winning a championship. That's the only thing I'm really worried about. Until I get to that point, then I can't really answer any questions. I'm pretty sure management and I will have a talk, but that talk won't happen now."

Later, Irving added, "The focus is solely on winning a championship next year. I don't think [impending free agency will] necessarily have an effect. I'm doing my best to kind of deflect all that and focus on what's in front of us."

"I could't be more proud of what [Boston's young players] experienced -- I mean they went to Game 7 of the frickin' Eastern Conference finals," Irving said with a playful shrug.

"For me, I'm just glad everyone got to learn how special they were on a bigger stage. I'd been talking about how great [the younger players] were. Some of their numbers probably didn't look as appealing to the outside-looker, but they were just -- they were always locked in. And then when they were afforded the opportunity to take the reins of the team, you saw them take full advantage of it. You saw guys that literally are going to be stars in this league for years to come."

Irving said his backup, Terry Rozier, proved he's an NBA starter but that "turns into an unbelievable dynamic" for Boston next season. He raved about Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum, then noted how Marcus Smart gave up his body and "that's the type of attitude and effort you'd love to be part of."

When he referenced Hayward, Irving smiled wide and added, "and now getting my man Gordon back -- I'm excited man. I'm excited
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Irving didn't try to deflect when asked about James and the possibility that the Celtics could be a wild-card suitor if James opts out of the final year of his deal.

Irving did note that he hasn't had any conversations with Boston's front office about James and said he appreciates the transparency of team brass as they map out their future vision.

Asked whether he'd be open to reuniting with James, Irving said, "In this business, I've experienced it all and I've seen a lot, so we'll see what management decides."
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesn't make sense financially", answers lebron joining C's
Post by: Tr1boy on June 12, 2018, 06:12:49 PM
Celtics All-Star point guard Kyrie Irving said Tuesday that a contract extension this summer doesn't make sense for him and that while he's already bracing for the daily questions about his future, his sole focus is on getting healthy for next season and helping Boston take another step toward title contention.

"Contractually, financially, [an extension] just doesn't make any sense," Irving said.


Irving is eligible for a four-year, $107 million extension, but that would be $80 million less than what Irving could earn if he waits until the summer of 2019 and re-signs with Boston after opting out of the final year of his current pact.
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"I think you guys can feel my attitude is really just redemption next year. Really integrating myself with our team again and really focus on winning a championship. That's the only thing I'm really worried about. Until I get to that point, then I can't really answer any questions. I'm pretty sure management and I will have a talk, but that talk won't happen now."

Later, Irving added, "The focus is solely on winning a championship next year. I don't think [impending free agency will] necessarily have an effect. I'm doing my best to kind of deflect all that and focus on what's in front of us."

"I could't be more proud of what [Boston's young players] experienced -- I mean they went to Game 7 of the frickin' Eastern Conference finals," Irving said with a playful shrug.

"For me, I'm just glad everyone got to learn how special they were on a bigger stage. I'd been talking about how great [the younger players] were. Some of their numbers probably didn't look as appealing to the outside-looker, but they were just -- they were always locked in. And then when they were afforded the opportunity to take the reins of the team, you saw them take full advantage of it. You saw guys that literally are going to be stars in this league for years to come."

Irving said his backup, Terry Rozier, proved he's an NBA starter but that "turns into an unbelievable dynamic" for Boston next season. He raved about Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum, then noted how Marcus Smart gave up his body and "that's the type of attitude and effort you'd love to be part of."

When he referenced Hayward, Irving smiled wide and added, "and now getting my man Gordon back -- I'm excited man. I'm excited."

Irving didn't try to deflect when asked about James and the possibility that the Celtics could be a wild-card suitor if James opts out of the final year of his deal.

Irving did note that he hasn't had any conversations with Boston's front office about James and said he appreciates the transparency of team brass as they map out their future vision.

Asked whether he'd be open to reuniting with James, Irving said, "In this business, I've experienced it all and I've seen a lot, so we'll see what management decides."

thanks

also video clip here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaeSHcJGUUQ

Reporters:  How is your movie coming along??
Kyrie: Well

Reporters: Ok ok thats nice 

Now for the real reason you are here:  Lebron, FA situation , attack attack ;D
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Imo unless the team wins it all, he is a goner.  He looks flustered vs Boston media.  Like David Price
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: Chris22 on June 12, 2018, 06:14:28 PM
He's right.
Win the championship, then go for the money.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: footey on June 12, 2018, 06:14:29 PM
TP thanks for posting.

Encouraging, and expected no less from him.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: Phantom255x on June 12, 2018, 06:25:59 PM
If he stays relatively healthy next year, I have zero hesitation giving him 5/188M.

I'm sure Kyrie would accept it too.

As for Lebron, let's be honest no one expects it to happen. I know I've created some Lebron threads here recently (including posting the actual report/Stephen A Smith quote) but that was more to add intrigue to this otherwise boring period before the Draft/FA  :laugh:

Just PLEASE don't go to Philadelphia, Lebron. Then I'll be fine  ;D

Also hopefully LAL doesn't actually find a way to add George, Lebron and EITHER Kawhi or CP3 (doubt it but still possible...)
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: ozgod on June 12, 2018, 08:04:26 PM
Agree...back yourself to really get paid next summer and give us another year to see if he’s worth paying. If he leads us to a championship I think he would deserve as much as he can get.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: hpantazo on June 12, 2018, 08:20:34 PM
From the interview, I got the sense that he feels he needs to prove himself here and reintegrate with the current team and win a title before asking for the full max when eligible. He missed the playoffs, had two surgeries, and the team managed to go to game 7 of the ECF without him. It would be a bit pretentious after all that to say I want the full max regardless of what happens this season.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: gouki88 on June 12, 2018, 08:28:40 PM
From the interview, I got the sense that he feels he needs to prove himself here and reintegrate with the current team and win a title before asking for the full max when eligible. He missed the playoffs, and two surgeries, and the team managed to go to game 7 of the ECF without him. It would be a bit pretentious after all that to say I want the full max regardless of what happens this season.
I like his attitude on display here
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: jambr380 on June 12, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
The bad news is that he really seems to care about money. The good news? He really cares about money - meaning he will likely want to take the 5 yr/$188M deal from us rather than a 4 yr/$140M deal from another team. At the very worst, we should expect him to sign and then force his way out. Getting no assets for Kyrie should he desire to move on would be pretty devastating.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: saltlover on June 12, 2018, 09:43:50 PM
The bad news is that he really seems to care about money. The good news? He really cares about money - meaning he will likely want to take the 5 yr/$188M deal from us rather than a 4 yr/$140M deal from another team. At the very worst, we should expect him to sign and then force his way out. Getting no assets for Kyrie should he desire to move on would be pretty devastating.

My concern is that he will want to sign a 2+1 player option deal so that he can get the 35% max as soon as he’s able in 2020.  That new deal would kick in as Jaylen’s new deal kicks in and we’re extending Tatum.  5 years at the 30% max would indeed be good news.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: tenn_smoothie on June 12, 2018, 09:49:32 PM
The bad news is that he cares more about money than he does his team
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: hpantazo on June 12, 2018, 09:56:56 PM
The bad news is that he cares more about money than he does his team

Name one NBA player that is willing to leave 90+ million on the table for the good of the team?
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: tenn_smoothie on June 12, 2018, 10:03:31 PM
I could name a few - the point is more about his priorities.

Rather than saying how great the year has been in Boston and how much he wants to be a Celtic and is very optimistic about working out a contract to stay long-term - he talks about me, me, me in regards to his contract and his $$$$$.

I hope I am proved wrong about this guy, but he strikes me as being extremely self-centered.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: hpantazo on June 12, 2018, 10:05:36 PM
I could name a few - the point is more about his priorities.

Rather than saying how great the year has been in Boston and how much he wants to be a Celtic and is very optimistic about working out a contract to stay long-term - he talks about me, me, me in regards to his contract and his $$$$$.

I hope I am proved wrong about this guy, but he strikes me as being extremely self-centered.

Who? I really can't see any player giving up 90 million.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: hpantazo on June 12, 2018, 10:07:02 PM
I could name a few - the point is more about his priorities.

Rather than saying how great the year has been in Boston and how much he wants to be a Celtic and is very optimistic about working out a contract to stay long-term - he talks about me, me, me in regards to his contract and his $$$$$.

I hope I am proved wrong about this guy, but he strikes me as being extremely self-centered.

He talked a lot about how great the young guys did going to game 7 of the EFC. He praised them a ton.

For him, it was not a great year personally. I would have been surprised if he said it was. He had 2 knee surgeries, missed the postseason, and then had a nasal surgery.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: SparzWizard on June 12, 2018, 10:19:17 PM
Who in their right mind would leave $90M for the good of the team anyways lol.

NBA is a business after all- as usual.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: saltlover on June 12, 2018, 10:20:37 PM
Who in their right mind would leave $90M for the good of the team anyways lol.

NBA is a business after all- as usual.

If Kyrie were eligible for a no-trade clause, maybe.  But signing an extension at a 1/3 discount means it’s that much more likely he’d be traded.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: CelticsElite on June 12, 2018, 10:21:14 PM
Who in their right mind would leave $90M for the good of the team anyways lol.

NBA is a business after all- as usual.
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Plus Kyrie waived the trade kicker when he was traded. He didn’t need to but he did it most likely as an act of good will. If it was only about money he wouldn’t have done that
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: Beat LA on June 12, 2018, 10:25:50 PM
The amount of money that these guys make is cartoonishly absurd, imo. Like, at what point does a person have enough cash?

Christ, I wouldn't even know what to do with even a fraction of these kinds of salaries save for giving most of it to charity, lol ;D.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: saltlover on June 12, 2018, 10:31:45 PM
The amount of money that these guys make is cartoonishly absurd, imo. Like, at what point does a person have enough cash?

Christ, I wouldn't even know what to do with even a fraction of these kinds of salaries save for giving most of it to charity, lol ;D.

It is, but if you were like most people you’d figure out what to do with it if you had it.  Multiple large homes and exotic cars seem to be the common, with maybe a boat or a plane.  Also clothing and accessories (jewelry).
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: Beat LA on June 12, 2018, 11:26:06 PM
The amount of money that these guys make is cartoonishly absurd, imo. Like, at what point does a person have enough cash?

Christ, I wouldn't even know what to do with even a fraction of these kinds of salaries save for giving most of it to charity, lol ;D.

It is, but if you were like most people you’d figure out what to do with it if you had it.  Multiple large homes and exotic cars seem to be the common, with maybe a boat or a plane.  Also clothing and accessories (jewelry).

Definitely not, lol ;D.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: CelticsElite on June 12, 2018, 11:37:04 PM
The amount of money that these guys make is cartoonishly absurd, imo. Like, at what point does a person have enough cash?

Christ, I wouldn't even know what to do with even a fraction of these kinds of salaries save for giving most of it to charity, lol ;D.
the owners probably make more lol
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: Beat LA on June 12, 2018, 11:47:00 PM
The amount of money that these guys make is cartoonishly absurd, imo. Like, at what point does a person have enough cash?

Christ, I wouldn't even know what to do with even a fraction of these kinds of salaries save for giving most of it to charity, lol ;D.
the owners probably make more lol

Right? Honestly, what do they do with all dat dough, lol? ;D
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: JSD on June 12, 2018, 11:49:09 PM
These quotes do nothing but pump me up
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: sawick48 on June 12, 2018, 11:58:58 PM
The bad news is that he really seems to care about money. The good news? He really cares about money - meaning he will likely want to take the 5 yr/$188M deal from us rather than a 4 yr/$140M deal from another team. At the very worst, we should expect him to sign and then force his way out. Getting no assets for Kyrie should he desire to move on would be pretty devastating.

My concern is that he will want to sign a 2+1 player option deal so that he can get the 35% max as soon as he’s able in 2020.  That new deal would kick in as Jaylen’s new deal kicks in and we’re extending Tatum.  5 years at the 30% max would indeed be good news.


It's should be more than a concern, it's probably very likely his plan.

Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: mr. dee on June 13, 2018, 12:00:49 AM
Cap will rise (albeit slowly) in the next few years. It only make sense that he waits until his contract expires. Salary cap in 2020 is 108m with luxury tax at 123m
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: byennie on June 13, 2018, 01:21:55 AM
The important thing to realize is that waiting a year makes sense even if he wants to stay. Total nothing burger story - everyone in the Celtics org already knew an extension made no sense.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: CroCorvus on June 13, 2018, 02:55:09 AM
Kyrie is a really reserved person so this press conference and his answers, his attitude, doesn't really strikes me as something. He is a little different then most of the people, he's very creative obviously, he's not impressed with all nba hoopla, he's calm and that sometimes is enough for the media and fans to react and view him differently.

From what I see on the court, I like him very much. He's an extraordinary player, one in the generation type of player, and when you have one of those players you stick with him. You respect him. And that what I think is Danny and ownership are doing. They will respect his decision. They obviously talk, and tehy know what kind of player he is and what he brings to the table. And they respect that.

Firts of, nobody dislikes the money, especially that kind of money, so to view his comments like he really only cares about the money is not fair. This is business o/c.

Why don't we look at his decision as: okay, I will get healthy, I will get my strenghts back, work on my game, be better player and a better leader of this ballclub, prove myself that I can lead this team to the championship and then I will talk about my extension. Wouldn't this be fair? I think it would. Is it more risk for him to? Yes it is.

Overall, I hope he stays here long-term, cose I really like him at the helm of this young team. People forget how good he is, and that with healthy Theis and Larkin we would probably still be playing b ball. What about this team with healthy, in prime Kyrie, Gordon, Jaylen, Jason, Al and others? wow, just wow...
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: iadera on June 13, 2018, 03:36:14 AM
He's clever guy, respects everybody and is focused on Celtics. Why in a world would he talk about extension this summer when he knows the difference from this summer and next summer, Danny knows it, Wyc knows it, everybody knows. So let's just delete this topic.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: SparzWizard on June 13, 2018, 03:41:02 AM
The amount of money that these guys make is cartoonishly absurd, imo. Like, at what point does a person have enough cash?

Christ, I wouldn't even know what to do with even a fraction of these kinds of salaries save for giving most of it to charity, lol ;D.

It is, but if you were like most people you’d figure out what to do with it if you had it.  Multiple large homes and exotic cars seem to be the common, with maybe a boat or a plane.  Also clothing and accessories (jewelry).

Gotta invest to keep building that money! And save a portion of your own spending too but don't go too crazy with it  :P
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: Somebody on June 13, 2018, 04:27:36 AM
NBA players should actually think of buying HK property as investment-300 sq foot apartments can cost a million USD and big houses can cost an entire max contract's salary. The thing that makes these good investements is that the prices are showing no signs of slowing down, you'll still get a heathy 10% profit in a few years or so lol. Just venting how crazy the prices are here so ignore this post haha
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: bogg on June 13, 2018, 01:37:24 PM
The amount of money that these guys make is cartoonishly absurd, imo. Like, at what point does a person have enough cash?

Christ, I wouldn't even know what to do with even a fraction of these kinds of salaries save for giving most of it to charity, lol ;D.

I mean, the players as a whole more or less work on commission, so it's hard for me to be bothered by what they make. How they split it up amongst themselves is their business.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: Phantom255x on June 13, 2018, 02:07:43 PM
Literally THE ENTIRE MEDIA is talking about the possibility of LBJ joining Kyrie in Boston  :P

On one hand maybe it was a "sinister" plan by both to leave that toxic environment in Cleveland (w/Gilbert) and to team up with a more stable franchise like Boston. On the other, I'm just not a fan of giving up a big piece (max player or multiple great ones) to fit Lebron in somehow.

He obviously won't come for MLE (lol)

It's why I'd at least monitor the Kawhi situation a little more. I think he stays put but if not, definitely explore the trade market there.
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: bknova on June 13, 2018, 03:39:30 PM
I could name a few - the point is more about his priorities.

Rather than saying how great the year has been in Boston and how much he wants to be a Celtic and is very optimistic about working out a contract to stay long-term - he talks about me, me, me in regards to his contract and his $$$$$.

I hope I am proved wrong about this guy, but he strikes me as being extremely self-centered.

Not sure what you're talking about here.  It's $90 million.  Also this is the guy who waived his trade kicker to come here. 
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: cltc5 on June 13, 2018, 03:58:04 PM
These are all contrived stories made to look like they’re somethig.  Please stop believing the talkigbheads
Title: Re: Kyrie: "extension doesnt make sense until next year," talks lebron joining C's
Post by: celticbos on June 13, 2018, 09:27:33 PM
Kyrie is probably hearing Labron rumors, so why give up any info till he finds if there is any merit in any of this. Kyrie left Lebron to make his own legacy, and that isn't in New York.