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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Monkhouse on June 10, 2018, 03:11:34 PM
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I still love Kevin Love.
Okay, there I said it.
It's amazing that he's always been hated and disliked by literally everyone. He's been the scapegoat for so long, that people forget only a few years ago, he was averaging 26/12.5/4 APG, while sporting a top 5 offense with Kevin Martin, Rubio, and even freakin' Pekovic was averaging 17/8 as their starting C!
So, in the event LeBron does end up leaving, where do you think Kevin Love will end up?
I think he deserves to go somewhere where he's either the 2nd option, or getting more touches, or making more passes at the top of the key. He's the perfect stretch 4, and while his PnR defense is absolutely horrible, I think you can hide his defense with the right defenders/system.
I would actually like him to end up on the Jazz. I think him, Mitchell, Rubio, Gobert, and Crowder would literally be the perfect team for him.
Of course...
I think he would fit on our team just as well, but would be tough to pull off a trade... >:( :( :-X :P :angel: :angel:
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We got Horford so hard pass on Love.
Love to the Lakers lol.
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The Jazz, Blazers or Spurs all make sense IMO, and he'd be good (or simply better) fits for those teams.
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I saw someone post...
Kevin Love, 2018 #8 Pick
For
Damien Lillard, 2018 #24 Pick
Not sure how Dame Dollar would feel about suiting up in Cleveland but at least it gets him to the East to rack up some All Star appearances. I think that trade makes a lot of sense for both teams, if Lillard is as unhappy as he seems.
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We got Horford so hard pass on Love.
Love to the Lakers lol.
Horford and Love would be absolutely impossible to stop especially with Kyrie, Tatum, Hayward and Brown.
We would literally have 6 shooters that can come in any time and knock down 3's, or make smart plays.
I saw someone post...
Kevin Love, 2018 #8 Pick
For
Damien Lillard, 2018 #24 Pick
Not sure how Dame Dollar would feel about suiting up in Cleveland but at least it gets him to the East to rack up some All Star appearances. I think that trade makes a lot of sense for both teams, if Lillard is as unhappy as he seems.
I just can't see that happening to be honest. Lillard is their franchise player. They would rather move McCollum first before entertaining that thought.
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We got Horford so hard pass on Love.
Love to the Lakers lol.
Horford and Love would be absolutely impossible to stop especially with Kyrie, Tatum, Hayward and Brown.
We would literally have 6 shooters that can come in any time and knock down 3's, or make smart plays.
I saw someone post...
Kevin Love, 2018 #8 Pick
For
Damien Lillard, 2018 #24 Pick
Not sure how Dame Dollar would feel about suiting up in Cleveland but at least it gets him to the East to rack up some All Star appearances. I think that trade makes a lot of sense for both teams, if Lillard is as unhappy as he seems.
I just can't see that happening to be honest. Lillard is their franchise player. They would rather move McCollum first before entertaining that thought.
love has regressed the past 2 years
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He is staying at Cleveland
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We got Horford so hard pass on Love.
Love to the Lakers lol.
Horford and Love would be absolutely impossible to stop especially with Kyrie, Tatum, Hayward and Brown.
We would literally have 6 shooters that can come in any time and knock down 3's, or make smart plays.
I saw someone post...
Kevin Love, 2018 #8 Pick
For
Damien Lillard, 2018 #24 Pick
Not sure how Dame Dollar would feel about suiting up in Cleveland but at least it gets him to the East to rack up some All Star appearances. I think that trade makes a lot of sense for both teams, if Lillard is as unhappy as he seems.
I just can't see that happening to be honest. Lillard is their franchise player. They would rather move McCollum first before entertaining that thought.
love has regressed the past 2 years
Not true... But okay..
He is staying at Cleveland
If LeBron is gone, he's definitely gone too. He was already on the trade block the past 2 years...
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Love isn't a #2 guy. He is a #3
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Love isn't a #2 guy. He is a #3
Based on what exactly?
I'm going to tell you upfront that Lue is just not a good coach.
He doesn't utilize Love the way Adelman used to...
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Love isn't a #2 guy. He is a #3
naw #4
actually best suited as a 6th man
One of the worst defenders in the NBA
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Cleveland waits, thinks team's are low balling them.
Teams think this is what Kevin Love is now. Cleveland hopes he will increase in value if he plays like Minnesota Kevin Love again on a Cleveland team centered around him.
Toronto desperate to give their title hopes one more chance try to trade Ibaka for Love straight up, which Cleveland rejects, rumors persist all season, but Toronto can't get creative enough with a 3 way to make anything work.
Rumors also float around that Philly is interested after striking out in free agency, but they decide to hold onto their cap space to make a run at Klay Thompson or Kawhi, rather then waste it on Love.
Ultimately he's moved at the trade deadline to a low level playoff team like Portland or Washington trying to shake things up to appease their star (Lillard/Wall).
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I think K-Love has been really hurt by the NBA shifting to quicker forwards and outside shooters at the PF position. He is less of a weapon now than he was when Love first broke out in Minnesota as a 20-25ppg guy. Those quicker forwards can defend out on the three point line much better than the older slower PFs that Love use to feast on. And on the other end, Love cannot defend those quicker guys at all. He is dreadful on defense.
I am not sure Love is even an above average starter anymore. I think he is just a middle of the pack starter at his position. On a big salary ... and one who breaks your team defense with his inability to cover his position and/or switch onto other players. Not a good combination.
I just don't think Love is that valuable anymore. He has entered that David Lee territory where Lee was a big stats / low impact borderline star (read: pretend star). When really Lee was just as valuable as strong role player who plays good defense (as Love is now).
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Expiring pick and a late first is all I imagine Cleveland getting for Love.
With his soon to be expiring contract and his terrible defense, I don't think Cleveland will get anything of major value for him. A low level prospect or a late 1st is all I expect.
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I'd like to see him traded to NO for a sign and traded Cousins.
Love would be an ideal fit next to Anthony Davis.
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Cleveland waits, thinks team's are low balling them.
Teams think this is what Kevin Love is now. Cleveland hopes he will increase in value if he plays like Minnesota Kevin Love again on a Cleveland team centered around him.
Toronto desperate to give their title hopes one more chance try to trade Ibaka for Love straight up, which Cleveland rejects, rumors persist all season, but Toronto can't get creative enough with a 3 way to make anything work.
Rumors also float around that Philly is interested after striking out in free agency, but they decide to hold onto their cap space to make a run at Klay Thompson or Kawhi, rather then waste it on Love.
Ultimately he's moved at the trade deadline to a low level playoff team like Portland or Washington trying to shake things up to appease their star (Lillard/Wall).
low ball?
The guy produced the way he did with the Wolves because all he did was throw up shots , not play defense and focus on rebound opportunities (at the sacrifice of playing solid D)
IF Love plays like he did back with the wolves (posting up more, offense oriented), say goodbye any type of transition D from him
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Portland.
Going off the scenario that LeBron leaves, Portland-Cleveland-Philly agree to a deal in which the following happens
Portland trades: CJ McCollum
Portland receives: Kevin Love
Cleveland trades: Kevin Love
Cleveland receives: Markelle Fultz, Dario Saric, 2019 1st round pick
Philly trades: Markelle Fultz, Dario Saric
Philly receives: CJ McCollum
Of course, this deal may not happen if LeBron chooses Philly this summer, but who knows?
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Stays with Cavs and they build around him.
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I'd like to see him traded to NO for a sign and traded Cousins.
Love would be an ideal fit next to Anthony Davis.
That's a good take. Davis covers up Love defense and Love is a good outlet when you double team Davis. I don't think you can play Mirotic on the defensive end but on offense it would be killer.
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Cleveland waits, thinks team's are low balling them.
Teams think this is what Kevin Love is now. Cleveland hopes he will increase in value if he plays like Minnesota Kevin Love again on a Cleveland team centered around him.
Toronto desperate to give their title hopes one more chance try to trade Ibaka for Love straight up, which Cleveland rejects, rumors persist all season, but Toronto can't get creative enough with a 3 way to make anything work.
Rumors also float around that Philly is interested after striking out in free agency, but they decide to hold onto their cap space to make a run at Klay Thompson or Kawhi, rather then waste it on Love.
Ultimately he's moved at the trade deadline to a low level playoff team like Portland or Washington trying to shake things up to appease their star (Lillard/Wall).
low ball?
The guy produced the way he did with the Wolves because all he did was throw up shots , not play defense and focus on rebound opportunities (at the sacrifice of playing solid D)
IF Love plays like he did back with the wolves (posting up more, offense oriented), say goodbye any type of transition D from him
Just going out on a limb, but something tells me you didn't see much of Love while he was playing with the Wolves and are just throwing random stuff out there as usual.
How quickly you forget just how good Love actually is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llbUuB1EyiY
It's not just Love that struggled with James, but look at Bosh too. For some reason, be it James dominating the ball or those players spotting up to spread the floor rather than being involved in action, but bigs with that type of skill-set don't tend to have good numbers playing with James. It will be interesting to see what happens with Horford's numbers if indeed James comes to Boston.
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at the bad place
he been a bad dude
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Love isn't a #2 guy. He is a #3
Based on what exactly?
I'm going to tell you upfront that Lue is just not a good coach.
He doesn't utilize Love the way Adelman used to...
Based on watching him play more than most on this board over the last 4 years as I live in NE Ohio. Love is an excellent rebounder and a + outside shooter, but he is very slow, he is often injured, and isn't consistently reliable enough offensively to be a #2 guy. As others have said, he is a poor defender. He tries, but physically he just can't defend well.
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I could totally see a Porter for Love swap. I think that trade actually makes a great deal of sense for both teams.
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Love isn't a #2 guy. He is a #3
Based on what exactly?
I'm going to tell you upfront that Lue is just not a good coach.
He doesn't utilize Love the way Adelman used to...
Based on watching him play more than most on this board over the last 4 years as I live in NE Ohio. Love is an excellent rebounder and a + outside shooter, but he is very slow, he is often injured, and isn't consistently reliable enough offensively to be a #2 guy. As others have said, he is a poor defender. He tries, but physically he just can't defend well.
The defense is one thing, but on offense, there's something to be said about not being used properly.
Love in Minnesota used to be a force inside the paint. He was a monster who would get 30 points and 20 boards pretty frequently from living in the paint.
On Cleveland he's relegated to a 3 point shooter. One of the premier young rebounders and inside scorers in the game relegated to a 3 pt shooter. Something's just not right about that.
Cavs should have just gotten Channing Frye and kept Wiggins if all they wanted was a 3 pt shooting big man.
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Cleveland waits, thinks team's are low balling them.
Teams think this is what Kevin Love is now. Cleveland hopes he will increase in value if he plays like Minnesota Kevin Love again on a Cleveland team centered around him.
Toronto desperate to give their title hopes one more chance try to trade Ibaka for Love straight up, which Cleveland rejects, rumors persist all season, but Toronto can't get creative enough with a 3 way to make anything work.
Rumors also float around that Philly is interested after striking out in free agency, but they decide to hold onto their cap space to make a run at Klay Thompson or Kawhi, rather then waste it on Love.
Ultimately he's moved at the trade deadline to a low level playoff team like Portland or Washington trying to shake things up to appease their star (Lillard/Wall).
low ball?
The guy produced the way he did with the Wolves because all he did was throw up shots , not play defense and focus on rebound opportunities (at the sacrifice of playing solid D)
IF Love plays like he did back with the wolves (posting up more, offense oriented), say goodbye any type of transition D from him
Just going out on a limb, but something tells me you didn't see much of Love while he was playing with the Wolves and are just throwing random stuff out there as usual.
How quickly you forget just how good Love actually is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llbUuB1EyiY
It's not just Love that struggled with James, but look at Bosh too. For some reason, be it James dominating the ball or those players spotting up to spread the floor rather than being involved in action, but bigs with that type of skill-set don't tend to have good numbers playing with James. It will be interesting to see what happens with Horford's numbers if indeed James comes to Boston.
You crack me up. How many of these stiffs that play no defense are you a fan of?
Bender, Love etc
Love has become a 3 pt specialist because at the highest level (playoff basketball) ... this is where he belongs. He is a liability on the defensive end. Can only guard a pf or C and is not even good at this
This is how your all nba stiff unit looks like so far
Poeltl
Bender
Love
thats impressive
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Love isn't a #2 guy. He is a #3
Based on what exactly?
I'm going to tell you upfront that Lue is just not a good coach.
He doesn't utilize Love the way Adelman used to...
Based on watching him play more than most on this board over the last 4 years as I live in NE Ohio. Love is an excellent rebounder and a + outside shooter, but he is very slow, he is often injured, and isn't consistently reliable enough offensively to be a #2 guy. As others have said, he is a poor defender. He tries, but physically he just can't defend well.
Consistently reliable? You don't think Lue isn't using him correctly? They rarely use elbow screens to give him the space necessary. They also rarely use guards to set screens for him while he can pick and pop. They have literally relegated him to a spot up shooter... Kyle Korver is a spot up shooter. Kevin Love is not.
For a list of how much elbow touches have differentiated, take a look at this.
Year Elbow Touches Per Game
2013-14 8
2014-15 2
2015-16 2.1
2016-17 1.9
2017-18 1.6
His touches have decreased, and he's no longer the 2nd or 3rd option on offense, which is funny, because the writing on the wall should've dictated after Kyrie left, that this should've been a no brainer. LeBron has quite literally DOMINATED everything. He touches and has the highest USG % and literally dictates everything. Kevin Love may never ever be the same Minnesota Love, but it doesn't mean he can't take advantage of mismatches or create opportunities from the top of the key, or zip screens.
You're absolutely discrediting Kevin Love, and it's quite a sad state of affairs to see.
Even after playing out of position, Love averaged 17.6 PPG, 9.7 RPG 1.7 APG, and had one of his better FG% along with his 2nd best 3PA % considering the amount of volume of shots he was taking.
He's not a defender. I think we all have known that. But he's clearly able to play as the 2nd, or above average 3rd option. And you can definitely hide Love next to a great defender at the 5, or strong perimeter defenders. The notion that Love is so bad on defense, that you can't offset his offensive production is quite ridiculous, and overstated with no factual proof.
He would absolutely fit well on the Jazz, and even the Spurs. LMA/Love may not be the best defensive front court, but with Leonard/Murray at the helm of the perimeter, and Pop being Pop, I don't see why he couldn't co-exist on certain teams.
Love isn't a #2 guy. He is a #3
Based on what exactly?
I'm going to tell you upfront that Lue is just not a good coach.
He doesn't utilize Love the way Adelman used to...
Based on watching him play more than most on this board over the last 4 years as I live in NE Ohio. Love is an excellent rebounder and a + outside shooter, but he is very slow, he is often injured, and isn't consistently reliable enough offensively to be a #2 guy. As others have said, he is a poor defender. He tries, but physically he just can't defend well.
The defense is one thing, but on offense, there's something to be said about not being used properly.
Love in Minnesota used to be a force inside the paint. He was a monster who would get 30 points and 20 boards pretty frequently from living in the paint.
On Cleveland he's relegated to a 3 point shooter. One of the premier young rebounders and inside scorers in the game relegated to a 3 pt shooter. Something's just not right about that.
Cavs should have just gotten Channing Frye and kept Wiggins if all they wanted was a 3 pt shooting big man.
The problem is Love has been trending towards shooting 3's. His uptick in production has started from 3% in 2008-2009 to 46% in 2017-2018. He has slowly been going from the down low and post 4 with rebounding numbers, to the stretch 4 in today's NBA.
I mean if you can get at least 16/9 from him, along with decent passing, that's still pretty excellent production. Something I think Lue HAS never ever used correctly, that is still a great player to have regardless.
I could totally see a Porter for Love swap. I think that trade actually makes a great deal of sense for both teams.
That depends on which team has the pick. I honestly cannot see MPJ falling any further than the 10th pick.
Cleveland waits, thinks team's are low balling them.
Teams think this is what Kevin Love is now. Cleveland hopes he will increase in value if he plays like Minnesota Kevin Love again on a Cleveland team centered around him.
Toronto desperate to give their title hopes one more chance try to trade Ibaka for Love straight up, which Cleveland rejects, rumors persist all season, but Toronto can't get creative enough with a 3 way to make anything work.
Rumors also float around that Philly is interested after striking out in free agency, but they decide to hold onto their cap space to make a run at Klay Thompson or Kawhi, rather then waste it on Love.
Ultimately he's moved at the trade deadline to a low level playoff team like Portland or Washington trying to shake things up to appease their star (Lillard/Wall).
low ball?
The guy produced the way he did with the Wolves because all he did was throw up shots , not play defense and focus on rebound opportunities (at the sacrifice of playing solid D)
IF Love plays like he did back with the wolves (posting up more, offense oriented), say goodbye any type of transition D from him
Just going out on a limb, but something tells me you didn't see much of Love while he was playing with the Wolves and are just throwing random stuff out there as usual.
How quickly you forget just how good Love actually is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llbUuB1EyiY
It's not just Love that struggled with James, but look at Bosh too. For some reason, be it James dominating the ball or those players spotting up to spread the floor rather than being involved in action, but bigs with that type of skill-set don't tend to have good numbers playing with James. It will be interesting to see what happens with Horford's numbers if indeed James comes to Boston.
You crack me up. How many of these stiffs that play no defense are you a fan of?
Bender, Love etc
Love has become a 3 pt specialist because at the highest level (playoff basketball) ... this is where he belongs. He is a liability on the defensive end. Can only guard a pf or C and is not even good at this
This is how your all nba stiff unit looks like so far
Poeltl
Bender
Love
thats impressive
Poetl is a pretty solid prospect and widely believed to be the next upcoming and big prospect for the Raptors.
Jury is still out on Bender, although I too, am convinced he won't be anything special than a role playing stretch 4.
Love is still at worst, 16/9 stretch 4 big that plays below average defense... There are 20 players I can name that has worse numbers...
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He will go somewhere............There are Unicorns!
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
Not even close.
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
Not even close.
seriously
but the rumor that Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love, sounds plausible
Clarkson, Hill, JR Smith, Love
looks like a bankrupt a team unit to me.
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I could totally see a Porter for Love swap. I think that trade actually makes a great deal of sense for both teams.
That depends on which team has the pick. I honestly cannot see MPJ falling any further than the 10th pick.
Otto Porter. I thought that was obvious since they make about the same a trade can actually happen.
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
Not even close.
but the rumor that Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love, sounds plausible
Can you please provide where this "rumor" is coming from? Or are you're just making things up again?
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I think he’d be a really solid fit on a team like Philly if they strike out on other free agents and trades. A starting lineup of Simmons, Reddick, Covington, Love, and Embiid is really enticing and brings more veteran presence and shooting to the roster. Also, that kind of lineup is a good fit for Love’s defensive limitations. That’s a ton of shooting and space for Simmons to work with.
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
Not even close.
but the rumor that Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love, sounds plausible
Can you please provide where this "rumor" is coming from? Or are you're just making things up again?
Do some research...
As Zach Lowe of ESPN laid out, there is a possibility that Love doesn’t get moved in response to James leaving Cleveland. Instead, Lowe wrote that we should “expect” to see a package involving Love and the No. 8 pick in the 2018 NBA Draft getting shopped around with the hopes of convincing James to stay in town.
They missed chances to trade their best non-LeBron player, Kevin Love, at something close to peak value, and will have hard time flipping him for even 50 percent of that now. Expect the Cavs to explore what they might get for a package of Love and the No. 8 pick around the draft in a last-ditch attempt to convince LeBron to stay.
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Hopefully Boston. Trade Smart (s+t), Morris, and Yabusele..get it done.
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
Not even close.
but the rumor that Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love, sounds plausible
Can you please provide where this "rumor" is coming from? Or are you're just making things up again?
Do some research...
As Zach Lowe of ESPN laid out, there is a possibility that Love doesn’t get moved in response to James leaving Cleveland. Instead, Lowe wrote that we should “expect” to see a package involving Love and the No. 8 pick in the 2018 NBA Draft getting shopped around with the hopes of convincing James to stay in town.
They missed chances to trade their best non-LeBron player, Kevin Love, at something close to peak value, and will have hard time flipping him for even 50 percent of that now. Expect the Cavs to explore what they might get for a package of Love and the No. 8 pick around the draft in a last-ditch attempt to convince LeBron to stay.
Triboy, do you understand what you're quoting? That's far different than how you spun it, which is "Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love".
To help you out, what it's saying is that the Cavs are trying to add a major piece, someone BETTER than Love, in order to have James stay. That's not the same as them attaching the #8 pick in a salary dump of Love. You're confused. You think it's a Deng type situation, when it's obviously not.
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
Not even close.
but the rumor that Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love, sounds plausible
Can you please provide where this "rumor" is coming from? Or are you're just making things up again?
Do some research...
As Zach Lowe of ESPN laid out, there is a possibility that Love doesn’t get moved in response to James leaving Cleveland. Instead, Lowe wrote that we should “expect” to see a package involving Love and the No. 8 pick in the 2018 NBA Draft getting shopped around with the hopes of convincing James to stay in town.
They missed chances to trade their best non-LeBron player, Kevin Love, at something close to peak value, and will have hard time flipping him for even 50 percent of that now. Expect the Cavs to explore what they might get for a package of Love and the No. 8 pick around the draft in a last-ditch attempt to convince LeBron to stay.
Triboy, do you understand what you're quoting? That's far different than how you spun it, which is "Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love".
To help you out, what it's saying is that the Cavs are trying to add a major piece, someone BETTER than Love, in order to have James stay. That's not the same as them attaching the #8 pick in a salary dump of Love. You're confused. You think it's a Deng type situation, when it's obviously not.
read the below again , if you can't understand. Because this makes sense. Unlike your overvaluation for players like Love
Kevin Love, at something close to peak value, and will have hard time flipping him for even 50 percent of that now
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
Not even close.
seriously
but the rumor that Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love, sounds plausible
Clarkson, Hill, JR Smith, Love
looks like a bankrupt a team unit to me.
That's not my point. Love + #8 is NOT getting you a Top-5 player like Kawhi.
There's doubts as to whether that can even get you someone like Lilliard or Wall.
Maybe in a 3-team trade it's possible but not simply Love + #8 for Kawhi.
And if you want to bring up Kawhi and his injuries, Kevin Love hasn't exactly been the healthiest either over the last 3-4 years.
TO CLARIFY, I mean Love + #8 can CERTAINLY get you an all-star player, but NOT Kawhi as you alluded to in the post. Kemba? Sure. McCollum, DeRozan or Beal? Absolutely. Lilliard or Wall? Possibly. Kawhi? Nope.
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
Not even close.
but the rumor that Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love, sounds plausible
Can you please provide where this "rumor" is coming from? Or are you're just making things up again?
Do some research...
As Zach Lowe of ESPN laid out, there is a possibility that Love doesn’t get moved in response to James leaving Cleveland. Instead, Lowe wrote that we should “expect” to see a package involving Love and the No. 8 pick in the 2018 NBA Draft getting shopped around with the hopes of convincing James to stay in town.
They missed chances to trade their best non-LeBron player, Kevin Love, at something close to peak value, and will have hard time flipping him for even 50 percent of that now. Expect the Cavs to explore what they might get for a package of Love and the No. 8 pick around the draft in a last-ditch attempt to convince LeBron to stay.
Triboy, do you understand what you're quoting? That's far different than how you spun it, which is "Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love".
To help you out, what it's saying is that the Cavs are trying to add a major piece, someone BETTER than Love, in order to have James stay. That's not the same as them attaching the #8 pick in a salary dump of Love. You're confused. You think it's a Deng type situation, when it's obviously not.
read the below again , if you can't understand. Because this makes sense. Unlike your overvaluation for players like Love
Kevin Love, at something close to peak value, and will have hard time flipping him for even 50 percent of that now
Triboy, I'm not overvaluing him, but you seem to think that somehow Love's, an all-star the last 2 seasons, value has dropped so drastically that they will need to attach the #8 to move him. Again, that's not what it's saying. It's saying that they will include the #8, along with Love, to upgrade James' sidekick.
You misread it and misspoke. No harm, no foul.
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
Not even close.
seriously
but the rumor that Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love, sounds plausible
Clarkson, Hill, JR Smith, Love
looks like a bankrupt a team unit to me.
That's not my point. Love + #8 is NOT getting you a Top-5 player like Kawhi.
There's doubts as to whether that can even get you someone like Lilliard or Wall.
Maybe in a 3-team trade it's possible but not simply Love + #8 for Kawhi.
And if you want to bring up Kawhi and his injuries, Kevin Love hasn't exactly been the healthiest either over the last 3-4 years.
TO CLARIFY, I mean Love + #8 can CERTAINLY get you an all-star player, but NOT Kawhi as you alluded to in the post. Kemba? Sure. McCollum, DeRozan or Beal? Absolutely. Lilliard or Wall? Possibly. Kawhi? Nope.
what I meant in my Love #8 comment about Kawhi as a starting off point for a trade. No one knows whats going on with Kawhi. Before he was hurt I felt like he was the best two way player in the NBA. Love and 8 is better than what the Cavs got for Kyrie.
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
Not even close.
seriously
but the rumor that Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love, sounds plausible
Clarkson, Hill, JR Smith, Love
looks like a bankrupt a team unit to me.
That's not my point. Love + #8 is NOT getting you a Top-5 player like Kawhi.
There's doubts as to whether that can even get you someone like Lilliard or Wall.
Maybe in a 3-team trade it's possible but not simply Love + #8 for Kawhi.
And if you want to bring up Kawhi and his injuries, Kevin Love hasn't exactly been the healthiest either over the last 3-4 years.
TO CLARIFY, I mean Love + #8 can CERTAINLY get you an all-star player, but NOT Kawhi as you alluded to in the post. Kemba? Sure. McCollum, DeRozan or Beal? Absolutely. Lilliard or Wall? Possibly. Kawhi? Nope.
McCollum, Derozan or Beal ? Absolutely?
all those teams hang up the phone
What can you get for the 8th pick in this years draft (unless teams 1-7 make a major mistake) that is even worth 60 percent of the talent of the above players? Then you take on one of the worst defenders in the league + nasty salary
You have to do worst than these three (all on good contracts)
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
Not even close.
seriously
but the rumor that Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love, sounds plausible
Clarkson, Hill, JR Smith, Love
looks like a bankrupt a team unit to me.
That's not my point. Love + #8 is NOT getting you a Top-5 player like Kawhi.
There's doubts as to whether that can even get you someone like Lilliard or Wall.
Maybe in a 3-team trade it's possible but not simply Love + #8 for Kawhi.
And if you want to bring up Kawhi and his injuries, Kevin Love hasn't exactly been the healthiest either over the last 3-4 years.
TO CLARIFY, I mean Love + #8 can CERTAINLY get you an all-star player, but NOT Kawhi as you alluded to in the post. Kemba? Sure. McCollum, DeRozan or Beal? Absolutely. Lilliard or Wall? Possibly. Kawhi? Nope.
McCollum, Derozan or Beal ? Absolutely?
all those teams hang up the phone
What can you get for the 8th pick in this years draft (unless teams 1-7 make a major mistake) that is even worth 60 percent of the talent of the above players? Then you take on one of the worst defenders in the league + nasty salary
You have to do worst than these three (all on good contracts)
Well I think those three are #2 guys on their current teams (not alphas like Lilliard/Wall/DeRozan), and to get back a #8 pick and Love might be the best offer they get. Love makes less than all of them I believe and it helps clear some salary and they get back a Top-10 pick.
Also sorry in my original reply, replace DeRozan with Lowry lol.
McCollum, DeRozan Lowry or Beal? Absolutely
Anyways, it also depends on if a team in the 1-7 range makes an offer. If not, CLE may have a bit of an advantage. That's just IMO.
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The Cavs could get something good for Love and the No. 8 pick. Kawhi?
Not even close.
seriously
but the rumor that Cavs would probably need to add the 8th pick to trade Love, sounds plausible
Clarkson, Hill, JR Smith, Love
looks like a bankrupt a team unit to me.
That's not my point. Love + #8 is NOT getting you a Top-5 player like Kawhi.
There's doubts as to whether that can even get you someone like Lilliard or Wall.
Maybe in a 3-team trade it's possible but not simply Love + #8 for Kawhi.
And if you want to bring up Kawhi and his injuries, Kevin Love hasn't exactly been the healthiest either over the last 3-4 years.
TO CLARIFY, I mean Love + #8 can CERTAINLY get you an all-star player, but NOT Kawhi as you alluded to in the post. Kemba? Sure. McCollum, DeRozan or Beal? Absolutely. Lilliard or Wall? Possibly. Kawhi? Nope.
McCollum, Derozan or Beal ? Absolutely?
all those teams hang up the phone
What can you get for the 8th pick in this years draft (unless teams 1-7 make a major mistake) that is even worth 60 percent of the talent of the above players? Then you take on one of the worst defenders in the league + nasty salary
You have to do worst than these three (all on good contracts)
Well I think those three are #2 guys on their current teams (not alphas like Lilliard/Wall/DeRozan), and to get back a #8 pick and Love might be the best offer they get. Love makes less than all of them I believe and it helps clear some salary and they get back a Top-10 pick.
Also sorry in my original reply, replace DeRozan with Lowry lol.
McCollum, DeRozan Lowry or Beal? Absolutely
Anyways, it also depends on if a team in the 1-7 range makes an offer. If not, CLE may have a bit of an advantage. That's just IMO.
Lowry yes
but no to Beal or McCollum
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