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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Phantom255x on June 08, 2018, 10:56:28 AM
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Ainge is a cold-blooded assassin, but he's not this cold-blooded.
It would be a horrendous look for the franchise if you traded your 2nd marquee FA signing in franchise history (after Horford) after just 5-6 minutes of his Boston career and after what he's been through all year with the horrific injury (and rehabbing).
The Isaiah Thomas trade looked bad and cruel, but at least we had traded for Isaiah and technically the C's did a lot for him that allowed him to become a star in this league. So in essence, it wasn't *as* bad.
Trading Hayward in some sort of S&T or "salary dump" move to bring in Lebron is simply not ideal and suddenly I doubt any FA considers Boston going forward. Would reflect poorly on the organization.
As much as I love Kyrie and hope to keep him long term, there's a better case to trade him than Hayward since there's risk that he could leave after this season when he opts-out and hits FA.
Just my thoughts. Ainge wants to build a winner and he is a shrewd GM, but I don't think he even thinks about trading Hayward at the moment (also because of the Brad Stevens connection). No one is untouchable, but I'd say Hayward and Tatum (Tatum UNLESS it's for AD) are the closest to untouchable out of this group.
Remember what Jackie Mac said late last year, "the only untouchable now I would say is Al Horford". Well, maybe he's not untouchable now but this past season and the year before that (his first year in BOS after signing) he pretty much was. I assume it's the same for Hayward next year.
Now maybe I wrote this and people are like "DUH... we all know that", but look at the Lebron threads on here and you'll see where I'm coming from.
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I really think the Celtics want to see what they have here with a healthy Irving/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford core before they do anything drastic.
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I trust Zach Lowe's reporting on the C's especially.
He said that if one of our max contracts, Kyrie/Hayward/Horford, is needed to match salary for a trade it would be Hayward who would go.
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I really think the Celtics want to see what they have here with a healthy Irving/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford core before they do anything drastic.
Yep. I'm sure maybe there's a bit of interest between Lebron and the Celtics (both sides) but I obviously don't think we're as likely as say Philadelphia or Houston or Los Angeles Lakers.
Haynes is legit and when he says Lebron "would listen" if Ainge showed some interest, I believe him, but "listening/having a conversation" is not even close to "Lebron is coming here for sure"
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I really think the Celtics want to see what they have here with a healthy Irving/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford core before they do anything drastic.
Yup.
But I also think Ainge will call KD/LBJ/NOP and see if he can get a MVP via FA or trade. Those calls will be quick and then he'll move on.
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I trust Zach Lowe's reporting on the C's especially.
He said that if one of our max contracts, Kyrie/Hayward/Horford, is needed to match salary for a trade it would be Hayward who would go.
I think the "magic number" in a S&T for Lebron if he opts-in is 29.3M (for matching salaries). Kyrie, Morris, #27 and Yabusele gets there I think (and we throw in a future non-Kings Pick). If it doesn't, then add Nader and it very much should. Or The Ringer outlined a three team trade involving the Knicks that could make it work with us giving up Kyrie.
I feel bad about even suggesting we trade Kyrie away, but the risk is there he bolts in a year and if we absolutely had to make some kind of move like this, I'd rather ship out Irving.
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I really think the Celtics want to see what they have here with a healthy Irving/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford core before they do anything drastic.
Yup.
But I also think Ainge will call KD/LBJ/NOP and see if he can get a MVP via FA or trade. Those calls will be quick and then he'll move on.
Spurs situation is intriguing to monitor. If they do ultimately decide to let Leonard go, Boston may enter the sweepstakes, and frankly then it becomes a whole lot more realistic a possibility than Lebron. Of course, need to make sure Leonard's health checks out.
I predict Leonard stays in San Antonio but again, it's something to monitor.
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Ainge is a cold-blooded assassin, but he's not this cold-blooded.
Oh, he's absolutely that cold-blooded. I don't want to say he's cold-blooded, but I saw Buffy chasing after him with a stake (Yes, I'm rewatching BtVS. Yes, it's a better TV show the fifth time around than most are the first.).
But none of the Big 3 are getting traded this summer. With Kyrie in a contract year, we couldn't get the value we'd want for him, anyway.
Mike
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I really think the Celtics want to see what they have here with a healthy Irving/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford core before they do anything drastic.
Yep. I'm sure maybe there's a bit of interest between Lebron and the Celtics (both sides) but I obviously don't think we're as likely as say Philadelphia or Houston or Los Angeles Lakers.
Haynes is legit and when he says Lebron "would listen" if Ainge showed some interest, I believe him, but "listening/having a conversation" is not even close to "Lebron is coming here for sure"
As a fan, I absolutely wouldn't want LeBron, and would much prefer to see the team's current strategy play out.
That being said, Ainge does not care about such things. Ainge would have to work out a trade with Cleveland using Hayward and maybe Morris, and would have to separately move Kyrie for obvious reasons, but both of those moves sound very feasible.
Philadelphia, Houston and LA are all possibilities, but if you think about it, those spots all have lots of problems associated with bringing LeBron on board. As much as I hate to say it, Boston sounds like the best place from LeBron's point of view BY FAR.
LeBron would be looking at playing with Tatum, Brown Horford, Rozier and Smart, plus the bounty from an Irving trade, the Sac pick next year and all of our other future assets. He'd be set for the remainder of his career with a team that was perfectly constructed to beat GS. No other team can offer him anything close.
It would be as cold-blooded a move as we've ever seen, but I hate to admit it would work for all involved.
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I trust Zach Lowe's reporting on the C's especially.
He said that if one of our max contracts, Kyrie/Hayward/Horford, is needed to match salary for a trade it would be Hayward who would go.
I think the "magic number" in a S&T for Lebron if he opts-in is 29.3M (for matching salaries). Kyrie, Morris, #27 and Yabusele gets there I think (and we throw in a future non-Kings Pick). If it doesn't, then add Nader and it very much should. Or The Ringer outlined a three team trade involving the Knicks that could make it work with us giving up Kyrie.
I feel bad about even suggesting we trade Kyrie away, but the risk is there he bolts in a year and if we absolutely had to make some kind of move like this, I'd rather ship out Irving.
Why the heck would we throw in a pick when Cleveland would be lucky to get anything for Lebron instead of him signing somewhere as a free agent? Getting Kyrie or Hayward for him would be a steal.
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signing Lebron would totally bum me out, and it has little to do with who would get dumped.
I would find a championship led by Lebron far less rewarding/satisfying than one won by our current team.
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
No he is not..
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I really think the Celtics want to see what they have here with a healthy Irving/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford core before they do anything drastic.
BINGO!
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
Based on what?
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
LOL
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
Based on what?
This footage: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
Based on what?
The way he traded IT4... did you already forget?
I'm not saying his job is in jeopardy, but his rep around the league is likely not great
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I trust Zach Lowe's reporting on the C's especially.
He said that if one of our max contracts, Kyrie/Hayward/Horford, is needed to match salary for a trade it would be Hayward who would go.
Agreed, I trust Zach Lowe a lot more than a bunch of random Celtics Bloggers. Hayward is little more than a trade chip to Danny at this point. I'd say he's in a position similar to Ray Allen during the original big 3 era. As long as he's renting in Boston he'll be fine. These guys get how it works.
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I trust Zach Lowe's reporting on the C's especially.
He said that if one of our max contracts, Kyrie/Hayward/Horford, is needed to match salary for a trade it would be Hayward who would go.
Agreed, I trust Zach Lowe a lot more than a bunch of random Celtics Bloggers. Hayward is little more than a trade chip to Danny at this point. I'd say he's in a position similar to Ray Allen during the original big 3 era. As long as he's renting in Boston he'll be fine. These guys get how it works.
you can't do that to Hayward. I don't care what Lowe thinks
If Danny does that, he will cut off any hope for another decent UFA to sign with the team in the future
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
Based on what?
The way he traded IT4... did you already forget?
I'm not saying his job is in jeopardy, but his rep around the league is likely not great
So nothing. Just making stuff up again.
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
Based on what?
The way he traded IT4... did you already forget?
I'm not saying his job is in jeopardy, but his rep around the league is likely not great
IT4 traded himself with that max demand attitude and not want to do surgery
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
Based on what?
The way he traded IT4... did you already forget?
I'm not saying his job is in jeopardy, but his rep around the league is likely not great
So nothing. Just making stuff up again.
year sure... keep tinting those glasses green
It was one of the most difficult conversations I ever had,” Ainge told CSN following ... Thomas was instrumental in recruiting Horford and Hayward to sign with Boston.
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I wanted the trade to happen
but it doesn't mean Danny is a saint
I don't remember the last time a player is instrumental in recruiting a key UFA, then was shipped out a month later
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
Based on what?
The way he traded IT4... did you already forget?
I'm not saying his job is in jeopardy, but his rep around the league is likely not great
So nothing. Just making stuff up again.
year sure... keep tinting those glasses green
It was one of the most difficult conversations I ever had,” Ainge told CSN following ... Thomas was instrumental in recruiting Horford and Hayward to sign with Boston.
A 9 month old blog article that literally has nothing to do with your “thin ice” claim?
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
Based on what?
The way he traded IT4... did you already forget?
I'm not saying his job is in jeopardy, but his rep around the league is likely not great
So nothing. Just making stuff up again.
year sure... keep tinting those glasses green
It was one of the most difficult conversations I ever had,” Ainge told CSN following ... Thomas was instrumental in recruiting Horford and Hayward to sign with Boston.
A 9 month old blog article that literally has nothing to do with your “thin ice” claim?
Are you telling me with a straight face...the way IT4 was traded (after he helped recruit Hayward) for a shinier toy.....that players around the league think Danny is a trustworthy GM?
If you are a key FA that wants to sign and commit to a 4 year deal..... why would you want to sign with the Celtics knowing the fact the GM is cold blooded and you can be traded at any point?
This thinking would be exacerbated if Hayward is traded
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
Based on what?
The way he traded IT4... did you already forget?
I'm not saying his job is in jeopardy, but his rep around the league is likely not great
So nothing. Just making stuff up again.
year sure... keep tinting those glasses green
It was one of the most difficult conversations I ever had,” Ainge told CSN following ... Thomas was instrumental in recruiting Horford and Hayward to sign with Boston.
A 9 month old blog article that literally has nothing to do with your “thin ice” claim?
Are you telling me with a straight face...the way IT4 was traded (after he helped recruit Hayward) for a shinier toy.....that players around the league think Danny is a trustworthy GM?
If you are a key FA that wants to sign and commit to a 4 year deal..... why would you want to sign with the Celtics knowing the fact the GM is cold blooded and you can be traded at any point?
This will be exacerbated if Hayward is traded
You said he was on “thin ice”.
Outside your own projections, show me that to be the case.
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Ainge is indeed cold blooded, but wow, that would be extraordinary even for him. On the heels of IT, it would wreck the Celtics' goodwill around the league.
Hayward is not spare parts, for god's sake. Please go watch any highlights of him from 2016-17. He's an absolute stud who just turned 28.
Danny is walking on thin ice as we speak
Based on what?
The way he traded IT4... did you already forget?
I'm not saying his job is in jeopardy, but his rep around the league is likely not great
So nothing. Just making stuff up again.
year sure... keep tinting those glasses green
It was one of the most difficult conversations I ever had,” Ainge told CSN following ... Thomas was instrumental in recruiting Horford and Hayward to sign with Boston.
A 9 month old blog article that literally has nothing to do with your “thin ice” claim?
Are you telling me with a straight face...the way IT4 was traded (after he helped recruit Hayward) for a shinier toy.....that players around the league think Danny is a trustworthy GM?
If you are a key FA that wants to sign and commit to a 4 year deal..... why would you want to sign with the Celtics knowing the fact the GM is cold blooded and you can be traded at any point?
This thinking would be exacerbated if Hayward is traded
Ainge isn't a saint but he isn't cold blooded, he is well known loyal to his players, he send PP and KG out for their last run and send IT to a final team.
And for all we know Hayward has much trust in him, giving up millions dollars and not asking for a no trade clue, he knew Ainge won't treat him bad.
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I trust Zach Lowe's reporting on the C's especially.
He said that if one of our max contracts, Kyrie/Hayward/Horford, is needed to match salary for a trade it would be Hayward who would go.
I think the "magic number" in a S&T for Lebron if he opts-in is 29.3M (for matching salaries). Kyrie, Morris, #27 and Yabusele gets there I think (and we throw in a future non-Kings Pick). If it doesn't, then add Nader and it very much should. Or The Ringer outlined a three team trade involving the Knicks that could make it work with us giving up Kyrie.
I feel bad about even suggesting we trade Kyrie away, but the risk is there he bolts in a year and if we absolutely had to make some kind of move like this, I'd rather ship out Irving.
Don't forget the 2nd round pick we'd have to throw in when the Cavs "realize" that Kyrie's knee has been hurt and he might not play all 82 games next year. :o . (I'm still bitter about that BS the Cavs pulled)
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I trust Zach Lowe's reporting on the C's especially.
He said that if one of our max contracts, Kyrie/Hayward/Horford, is needed to match salary for a trade it would be Hayward who would go.
I think the "magic number" in a S&T for Lebron if he opts-in is 29.3M (for matching salaries). Kyrie, Morris, #27 and Yabusele gets there I think (and we throw in a future non-Kings Pick). If it doesn't, then add Nader and it very much should. Or The Ringer outlined a three team trade involving the Knicks that could make it work with us giving up Kyrie.
I feel bad about even suggesting we trade Kyrie away, but the risk is there he bolts in a year and if we absolutely had to make some kind of move like this, I'd rather ship out Irving.
Don't forget the 2nd round pick we'd have to throw in when the Cavs "realize" that Kyrie's knee has been hurt and he might not play all 82 games next year. :o . (I'm still bitter about that BS the Cavs pulled)
Yeah same. I think they traded it away in one of the trades at the deadline.
That said, it was pure BS. And you hear Gilbert the other day, "We are where we are BECAUSE of the Kyrie trade" LOL yeah... b/c down 3-0 in the Finals with the way Clarkson, Hill, Hood and Nance have been playing is exactly where they want to be. Idiots... They are so lucky Kyrie was injured for the C's.
Hood was great Game 3 but that's the only contribution he's made basically these entire playoffs. Then Hill misses a potential game-winning FT in Game 1. Ball don't lie Gilbert!
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He said that if one of our max contracts, Kyrie/Hayward/Horford, is needed to match salary for a trade it would be Hayward who would go.
That may have changed with I want to play in NYC crap. Which I think a lot of this crap is coming out of CLE to sabotage the team. Think about it LeBron lets it out there that he would entertain playing here with a guy who left to escape his shadow and now CLE Guys are saying Kyrie wants to play in NYC. I guess they have gave up on the finals and are trying to kill it for us next year?
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Zip, ZERO, NADA chance we trade Hayward. NONE.
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I trust Zach Lowe's reporting on the C's especially.
He said that if one of our max contracts, Kyrie/Hayward/Horford, is needed to match salary for a trade it would be Hayward who would go.
This is wrong.
You trade Hayward you trade Brad Stevens too.
Those two are now linked at the hips sharing all their internal organs.
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Uh... Granton Hillward is a white guy who averaged 2 points last season and is coming off a career ending injury. Are we really bellyaching about the idea of trading him for rich man’s Michael Jordan?
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Better not be.
As much as I love LeBron James I fear he'd be too high maintenance for BOS.
I'd rather stay the course and roll with our current Big Three.
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hate it for him , but ys never know
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Uh... Granton Hillward is a white guy who averaged 2 points last season and is coming off a career ending injury. Are we really bellyaching about the idea of trading him for rich man’s Michael Jordan?
I know your entire post is a joke, but that white guy comment is exactly why so many underrate Hayward. That reverse racism is so apparent.
You would be absolutely salivating if the Sixers had player that looked like Jae Crowder, was 27, and in 16-17 averaged 21.9 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 3.5 APG, on shooting splits of 47.1, 84.4, and 39.8. A player that absolutely dominated and eliminated a Clippers team that that still had Blake and CP3 with averages of 23.7 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 2.9 APG and splits of 46.9, 95.6, and 44.7. A player that still averaged 24.8 PPG in the Jazz' second round series vs the Warriors, a team that's sole objective was to stop Hayward.
But, yeah, he's white and he signed with us, not the Sixers, so he sucks. At least your consistent with your bias.
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Uh... Granton Hillward is a white guy who averaged 2 points last season and is coming off a career ending injury. Are we really bellyaching about the idea of trading him for rich man’s Michael Jordan?
What the hell did I just read... :o ::)
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GH may be white but I hope and pray he plays his Funky Music in BOS for the next 10 years..
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/I8WdMzeg_qU/hqdefault.jpg)
Dude is talented and athletic. Can't wait to see Danny's Chemistry experiment blow up in the NBA next season.
60 wins for our team with Kyrie, GH and Big Al healthy for most of the season.
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I have never been impressed with Hayward especially on defense. If he gets traded for someone better, so be it.
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He said that if one of our max contracts, Kyrie/Hayward/Horford, is needed to match salary for a trade it would be Hayward who would go.
That may have changed with I want to play in NYC crap. Which I think a lot of this crap is coming out of CLE to sabotage the team. Think about it LeBron lets it out there that he would entertain playing here with a guy who left to escape his shadow and now CLE Guys are saying Kyrie wants to play in NYC. I guess they have gave up on the finals and are trying to kill it for us next year?
Sounds about right.
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I have never been impressed with Hayward especially on defense. If he gets traded for someone better, so be it.
He averaged 24/6/4 in the playoffs last year (27/7/6 if you remove the one game where he left after just 9 minutes due to food poisoning) and did really well in the Warriors series (Utah's only real bright spot that series).
He's also regarded as our best and most consistent two-way player on the team. (Key Word: Consistent - Tatum and Brown have looked like studs at times but consistency is still something they'll figure out the next 2-3 years)
Guy was an all-star in a LOADED West and statistically was better than Paul George.
None of that impressed you about him?? ???
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I have never been impressed with Hayward especially on defense. If he gets traded for someone better, so be it.
Don't know how good defense isn't impressive
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Uh... Granton Hillward is a white guy who averaged 2 points last season and is coming off a career ending injury. Are we really bellyaching about the idea of trading him for rich man’s Michael Jordan?
What the hell did I just read... :o ::)
Lol ;D.
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I have never been impressed with Hayward especially on defense. If he gets traded for someone better, so be it.
He didn't play about 81.11 regular season games with the Celtics under Coach Brad Stevens, relax lol.
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I have never been impressed with Hayward especially on defense. If he gets traded for someone better, so be it.
That is such a completely convincing argument, thanks.
Just one teensy question, fine sir: who would be on this list of players who are better, at the SG/SF position, that we could trade for? I'd love for you to lay out the cornucopia of available options!
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If we trade Kyrie or Hayward, you can kiss Stevens goodbye. I don't see any way Stevens stays around if either of them are traded this offseason. Duke could easily come calling if Coach K decided to leave. If I were Ainge I would only entertain trades for Horford, Smart, Rozier and picks.
All I'm saying is let's not get carried away with dismantling a good team with the potential to win 2-3 chips over the next 5 years. Stevens is probably tired of a revolving door of trades and wants to groom a team for at least 2 years. We haven't even seen this team play together. I truly believe we would've matched up better with the Warriors even with the injuries.
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If we trade Kyrie or Hayward, you can kiss Stevens goodbye. I don't see any way Stevens stays around if either of them are traded this offseason. Duke could easily come calling if Coach K decided to leave. If I were Ainge I would only entertain trades for Horford, Smart, Rozier and picks.
All I'm saying is let's not get carried away with dismantling a good team with the potential to win 2-3 chips over the next 5 years. Stevens is probably tired of a revolving door of trades and wants to groom a team for at least 2 years. We haven't even seen this team play together. I truly believe we would've matched up better with the Warriors even with the injuries.
Horford is literally the PERFECT big man in Stevens' system. I don't think he'd be happy if Horford was just traded away either. That's kind of the conundrum in all of this. Oh if only Lebron would say "Yes Danny, I'll sign for the MLE and take some endorsement deals to make up for the max" :(
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If we trade Kyrie or Hayward, you can kiss Stevens goodbye. I don't see any way Stevens stays around if either of them are traded this offseason. Duke could easily come calling if Coach K decided to leave. If I were Ainge I would only entertain trades for Horford, Smart, Rozier and picks.
All I'm saying is let's not get carried away with dismantling a good team with the potential to win 2-3 chips over the next 5 years. Stevens is probably tired of a revolving door of trades and wants to groom a team for at least 2 years. We haven't even seen this team play together. I truly believe we would've matched up better with the Warriors even with the injuries.
Horford is literally the PERFECT big man in Stevens' system. I don't think he'd be happy if Horford was just traded away either. That's kind of the conundrum in all of this. Oh if only Lebron would say "Yes Danny, I'll sign for the MLE and take some endorsement deals to make up for the max" :(
That's his best choice, actually the only choice
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There's a piece on The Ringer about it that says trading Hayward wouldn't be as bad as the IT trade. I think this is ridiculous.
IT gave Boston everything it ever could've asked of him and more but the Celtics don't owe him anything. As Don Draper would say, That's what the money is for. The Celtics didn't ask IT to come here or make him any promises. They acquired him in a trade and it was the luckiest thing that could've happened to the kid.
Hayward is different. Hayward chose to leave his home with the understanding that Boston was going to help him compete for championships with his old coach. Trading him away now would actually be dishonest and slimy in a way that I never thought the IT trade was.
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There's a piece on The Ringer about it that says trading Hayward wouldn't be as bad as the IT trade. I think this is ridiculous.
IT gave Boston everything it ever could've asked of him and more but the Celtics don't owe him anything. As Don Draper would say, That's what the money is for. The Celtics didn't ask IT to come here or make him any promises. They acquired him in a trade and it was the luckiest thing that could've happened to the kid.
Hayward is different. Hayward chose to leave his home with the understanding that Boston was going to help him compete for championships with his old coach. Trading him away now would actually be dishonest and slimy in a way that I never thought the IT trade was.
The difference is, IT was begging for the brinks truck and that was the icing to the cake to shipping him out.
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There's a piece on The Ringer about it that says trading Hayward wouldn't be as bad as the IT trade. I think this is ridiculous.
IT gave Boston everything it ever could've asked of him and more but the Celtics don't owe him anything. As Don Draper would say, That's what the money is for. The Celtics didn't ask IT to come here or make him any promises. They acquired him in a trade and it was the luckiest thing that could've happened to the kid.
Hayward is different. Hayward chose to leave his home with the understanding that Boston was going to help him compete for championships with his old coach. Trading him away now would actually be dishonest and slimy in a way that I never thought the IT trade was.
The difference is, IT was begging for the brinks truck and that was the icing to the cake to shipping him out.
Maybe. But I think even if he had never made the comments, the trade still happens because Irving was the better player to have on the team going forward and the Celtics never promised him anything.
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There's a piece on The Ringer about it that says trading Hayward wouldn't be as bad as the IT trade. I think this is ridiculous.
IT gave Boston everything it ever could've asked of him and more but the Celtics don't owe him anything. As Don Draper would say, That's what the money is for. The Celtics didn't ask IT to come here or make him any promises. They acquired him in a trade and it was the luckiest thing that could've happened to the kid.
Hayward is different. Hayward chose to leave his home with the understanding that Boston was going to help him compete for championships with his old coach. Trading him away now would actually be dishonest and slimy in a way that I never thought the IT trade was.
The difference is, IT was begging for the brinks truck and that was the icing to the cake to shipping him out.
Right, IT asked for the Brinks truck and Hayward was just given it.
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It is all media hype, anyways...
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I have never been impressed with Hayward especially on defense. If he gets traded for someone better, so be it.
That is such a completely convincing argument, thanks.
Just one teensy question, fine sir: who would be on this list of players who are better, at the SG/SF position, that we could trade for? I'd love for you to lay out the cornucopia of available options!
It's too late now, Danny already invested a hundred million in Hayward.
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I have never been impressed with Hayward especially on defense. If he gets traded for someone better, so be it.
He didn't play about 81.11 regular season games with the Celtics under Coach Brad Stevens, relax lol.
He shooting is great, but when we played Utah with Hayward, we were able to take advantage of him when he was on defense. Like Korver.
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I have never been impressed with Hayward especially on defense. If he gets traded for someone better, so be it.
He didn't play about 81.11 regular season games with the Celtics under Coach Brad Stevens, relax lol.
He shooting is great, but when we played Utah with Hayward, we were able to take advantage of him when he was on defense. Like Korver.
I'm not sure what you're remembering, but who exactly were we using to take advantage of Hayward?? Hayward is leagues above Korver defensively, and is comfortably labelled a good defender
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I have never been impressed with Hayward especially on defense. If he gets traded for someone better, so be it.
He didn't play about 81.11 regular season games with the Celtics under Coach Brad Stevens, relax lol.
He shooting is great, but when we played Utah with Hayward, we were able to take advantage of him when he was on defense. Like Korver.
Assertions like that need a bit more evidence behind them. Having seen various members on the Jazz, both on and off the team, I’m pretty certain one would attack Rodney Hood and Shelvin Mack. Anyone who watched the postseason this year would agree on Hood. Mack is in Orlando now, so no one watches him, but “Orlando” should say enough on its own.
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I have never been impressed with Hayward especially on defense. If he gets traded for someone better, so be it.
He didn't play about 81.11 regular season games with the Celtics under Coach Brad Stevens, relax lol.
He shooting is great, but when we played Utah with Hayward, we were able to take advantage of him when he was on defense. Like Korver.
The reverse racism strikes again!
Hayward is a very good defender. This notion that he's not only speaks as to someone that has either not watched him player or is basing it off some preconceived notion as if he were Kapono, Korver, Morrison, etc. He's not! Not only is he very quick laterally, which prevents dribble penetration, but he's an excellent team defender who's head is always on a swivel in order to help teammates out with doubles and/or rotate to an open shooter. He's also a very good defensive rebounder.
This is the player you're comparing to Korver. See why it's so laughable?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O-isBj5aas
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Ainge is a cold-blooded assassin, but he's not this cold-blooded.
I don't think Lebron would come to Boston given all of the history, but when it comes to cold-blooded GMs Danny Ainge may as well be the Lizard King.
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Ainge is a cold-blooded assassin, but he's not this cold-blooded.
I don't think Lebron would come to Boston given all of the history, but when it comes to cold-blooded GMs Danny Ainge may as well be the Lizard King.
TP for the great nickname. Wonder how Danny would feel if we could get the media to start calling him that?
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Ainge is a cold-blooded assassin, but he's not this cold-blooded.
I don't think Lebron would come to Boston given all of the history, but when it comes to cold-blooded GMs Danny Ainge may as well be the Lizard King.
TP for the great nickname. Wonder how Danny would feel if we could get the media to start calling him that?
That nickname’s already taken, at least for us olds. Please tell me someone else thought of Jim Morrison? https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/its-official-doors-singer-jim-morrison-is-truly-the-lizard-king/2013/06/04/6642e86a-cd2a-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html?utm_term=.57919d687b0b
(The Post article is a bit of a joke, but the underlying story’s real.)
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People always say this but I think they're wrong.
1. Players would know DA is ALWAYS trying to make the Cs as great as they can.
2. FA that sign would just have to negotiate a no trade clause - THAT SIMPLE
3. DA would only trader Hayward to a good situation and players would know that
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Ainge is a cold-blooded assassin, but he's not this cold-blooded.
It would be a horrendous look for the franchise if you traded your 2nd marquee FA signing in franchise history (after Horford) after just 5-6 minutes of his Boston career and after what he's been through all year with the horrific injury (and rehabbing).
The Isaiah Thomas trade looked bad and cruel, but at least we had traded for Isaiah and technically the C's did a lot for him that allowed him to become a star in this league. So in essence, it wasn't *as* bad.
I could see if it was back to Utah and a three team trade... Nothing is impossible.
Trading Hayward in some sort of S&T or "salary dump" move to bring in Lebron is simply not ideal and suddenly I doubt any FA considers Boston going forward. Would reflect poorly on the organization.
As much as I love Kyrie and hope to keep him long term, there's a better case to trade him than Hayward since there's risk that he could leave after this season when he opts-out and hits FA.
Just my thoughts. Ainge wants to build a winner and he is a shrewd GM, but I don't think he even thinks about trading Hayward at the moment (also because of the Brad Stevens connection). No one is untouchable, but I'd say Hayward and Tatum (Tatum UNLESS it's for AD) are the closest to untouchable out of this group.
Remember what Jackie Mac said late last year, "the only untouchable now I would say is Al Horford". Well, maybe he's not untouchable now but this past season and the year before that (his first year in BOS after signing) he pretty much was. I assume it's the same for Hayward next year.
Now maybe I wrote this and people are like "DUH... we all know that", but look at the Lebron threads on here and you'll see where I'm coming from.
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There's a piece on The Ringer about it that says trading Hayward wouldn't be as bad as the IT trade. I think this is ridiculous.
IT gave Boston everything it ever could've asked of him and more but the Celtics don't owe him anything. As Don Draper would say, That's what the money is for. The Celtics didn't ask IT to come here or make him any promises. They acquired him in a trade and it was the luckiest thing that could've happened to the kid.
Hayward is different. Hayward chose to leave his home with the understanding that Boston was going to help him compete for championships with his old coach. Trading him away now would actually be dishonest and slimy in a way that I never thought the IT trade was.
Trading Hayward would be infinitely WORSE than trading IT for one simple reason. Hayward was recruited and signed here as a free agent. Danny will need to draw the line somewhere and IMO, this is the place. You don't sign someone in demand as a free agent and turn around and trade him. Under no circumstances I say.
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The title says it all!
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Celtics fans tend to vastly overstate the impact Hayward has on the court. The Jazz let him walk for literally nothing and saw a whopping three win difference in their season record as a result. The Celtics lost him in the first game of the season and still made it to game seven of the eastern conference finals.
Hayward is a nice guy, but as the 4th highest paid player in the NBA is wildly overpaid and happens to play the same position as the Celtics two best young players. He's probably the player management would like to trade most.
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Celtics fans tend to vastly overstate the impact Hayward has on the court. The Jazz let him walk for literally nothing and saw a whopping three win difference in their season record as a result. The Celtics lost him in the first game of the season and still made it to game seven of the eastern conference finals.
Hayward is a nice guy, but as the 4th highest paid player in the NBA is wildly overpaid and happens to play the same position as the Celtics two best young players. He's probably the player management would like to trade most.
Lol. This is just incorrect.
They saw a small difference in win totals because of Snyder's awesome system and Mitchell's quick acclimation to the NBA, not because Hayward is not good.
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Celtics fans tend to vastly overstate the impact Hayward has on the court. The Jazz let him walk for literally nothing and saw a whopping three win difference in their season record as a result. The Celtics lost him in the first game of the season and still made it to game seven of the eastern conference finals.
Hayward is a nice guy, but as the 4th highest paid player in the NBA is wildly overpaid and happens to play the same position as the Celtics two best young players. He's probably the player management would like to trade most.
Lol. This is just incorrect.
They saw a small difference in win totals because of Snyder's awesome system and Mitchell's quick acclimation to the NBA, not because Hayward is not good.
The idea that Utah “let him walk” is wildly inaccurate, too.
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Celtics fans tend to vastly overstate the impact Hayward has on the court. The Jazz let him walk for literally nothing and saw a whopping three win difference in their season record as a result. The Celtics lost him in the first game of the season and still made it to game seven of the eastern conference finals.
Hayward is a nice guy, but as the 4th highest paid player in the NBA is wildly overpaid and happens to play the same position as the Celtics two best young players. He's probably the player management would like to trade most.
Lol. This is just incorrect.
They saw a small difference in win totals because of Snyder's awesome system and Mitchell's quick acclimation to the NBA, not because Hayward is not good.
What a ridiculous take. Can't believe anyone can actually say this with a straight face about Hayward. Top 5 or 6 (depending on how much you like PG) SF and this is the respect he gets, lol
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Celtics fans tend to vastly overstate the impact Hayward has on the court. The Jazz let him walk for literally nothing and saw a whopping three win difference in their season record as a result. The Celtics lost him in the first game of the season and still made it to game seven of the eastern conference finals.
Hayward is a nice guy, but as the 4th highest paid player in the NBA is wildly overpaid and happens to play the same position as the Celtics two best young players. He's probably the player management would like to trade most.
Lol. This is just incorrect.
They saw a small difference in win totals because of Snyder's awesome system and Mitchell's quick acclimation to the NBA, not because Hayward is not good.
What a ridiculous take. Can't believe anyone can actually say this with a straight face about Hayward. Top 5 or 6 (depending on how much you like PG) SF and this is the respect he gets, lol
I agree. Snyder is a really good coach and Donovan Mitchell was a really good rookie. It's not [dang]ing that the team didn't collapse.
Sorry, but Hayward is a superb player. He's an extremely efficient scorer and happens to do everything else well. I'm not sure I could find a better player in terms of fit for the Celtics' system and Brad Stevens if I created one in a lab.
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Zero chance. Danny isn't going to do something that would no doubt be an affront to Stevens.
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Celtics fans tend to vastly overstate the impact Hayward has on the court. The Jazz let him walk for literally nothing and saw a whopping three win difference in their season record as a result. The Celtics lost him in the first game of the season and still made it to game seven of the eastern conference finals.
Hayward is a nice guy, but as the 4th highest paid player in the NBA is wildly overpaid and happens to play the same position as the Celtics two best young players. He's probably the player management would like to trade most.
Jazz let him walk for free? Lol.
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Not even noon time & we've already found our #hottake of the day.
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Celtics fans tend to vastly overstate the impact Hayward has on the court. The Jazz let him walk for literally nothing and saw a whopping three win difference in their season record as a result. The Celtics lost him in the first game of the season and still made it to game seven of the eastern conference finals.
Hayward is a nice guy, but as the 4th highest paid player in the NBA is wildly overpaid and happens to play the same position as the Celtics two best young players. He's probably the player management would like to trade most.
Jazz let him walk for free? Lol.
I know right? "Let him walk for nothing" like literally every free agent in the history of the NBA...
I mean, they are called FREE agents for a reason.
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People always say this but I think they're wrong.
1. Players would know DA is ALWAYS trying to make the Cs as great as they can.
2. FA that sign would just have to negotiate a no trade clause - THAT SIMPLE
3. DA would only trader Hayward to a good situation and players would know that
That impossible, actually. A free agent cannot sign with a new team and include a no-trade clause in the contract. Ever.
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Hayward is not getting traded. Stevens might leave if that was the case.
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Celtics fans tend to vastly overstate the impact Hayward has on the court. The Jazz let him walk for literally nothing and saw a whopping three win difference in their season record as a result. The Celtics lost him in the first game of the season and still made it to game seven of the eastern conference finals.
Hayward is a nice guy, but as the 4th highest paid player in the NBA is wildly overpaid and happens to play the same position as the Celtics two best young players. He's probably the player management would like to trade most.
Not sure if trolling or serious ???
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People always say this but I think they're wrong.
1. Players would know DA is ALWAYS trying to make the Cs as great as they can.
2. FA that sign would just have to negotiate a no trade clause - THAT SIMPLE
3. DA would only trader Hayward to a good situation and players would know that
That impossible, actually. A free agent cannot sign with a new team and include a no-trade clause in the contract. Ever.
Unless the new team is one he’s played for for 4+ seasons before.
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People always say this but I think they're wrong.
1. Players would know DA is ALWAYS trying to make the Cs as great as they can.
2. FA that sign would just have to negotiate a no trade clause - THAT SIMPLE
3. DA would only trader Hayward to a good situation and players would know that
how does alienating any future free agent from considering the Celtics make the C’s great
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People always say this but I think they're wrong.
1. Players would know DA is ALWAYS trying to make the Cs as great as they can.
2. FA that sign would just have to negotiate a no trade clause - THAT SIMPLE
3. DA would only trader Hayward to a good situation and players would know that
That impossible, actually. A free agent cannot sign with a new team and include a no-trade clause in the contract. Ever.
Unless the new team is one he’s played for for 4+ seasons before.
So, in other words, unless someone pulls a Lebron, then they can't get a no trade clause.😉😂
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People always say this but I think they're wrong.
1. Players would know DA is ALWAYS trying to make the Cs as great as they can.
2. FA that sign would just have to negotiate a no trade clause - THAT SIMPLE
3. DA would only trader Hayward to a good situation and players would know that
That impossible, actually. A free agent cannot sign with a new team and include a no-trade clause in the contract. Ever.
Unless the new team is one he’s played for for 4+ seasons before.
In which case it's not a new team. It's a previous team.
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As many have said, If Hayward gets traded it makes Stevens look really bad. And future FA will never look at Boston again.
He's here to stay.
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I am usually all about the laundry. I don't care who gets traded as long as the C's are better for it. BUT... in the case of trading Hayward (or even Horford), it really doesn't feel right to me. It's a business and all, but there is a good faith ethics that applies when you sell and sway a person to sign away from their original team. It would take me about an hour to get over it (especially if they nabbed Leonard), but I'd have to say it ain't right.
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As many have said, If Hayward gets traded it makes Stevens look really bad. And future FA will never look at Boston again.
He's here to stay.
If Hayward gets traded, I really think Stevens would be upset and peeved, but then he'll come to his senses and understand its a business. Ultimately, Ainge is out to get the best interests at heart despite whatever negative connotations may swing his way.
The thing you have to realize though, when Tatum eventually gets his rookie max extension, I would definitely keep him over Hayward, although I would like to keep both.
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As many have said, If Hayward gets traded it makes Stevens look really bad. And future FA will never look at Boston again.
He's here to stay.
If Hayward gets traded, I really think Stevens would be upset and peeved, but then he'll come to his senses and understand its a business. Ultimately, Ainge is out to get the best interests at heart despite whatever negative connotations may swing his way.
The thing you have to realize though, when Tatum eventually gets his rookie max extension, I would definitely keep him over Hayward, although I would like to keep both.
trading Hayward after he takes a paycut to come before he even plays 1 game for us alienates any future free agent
It isn't a business move, its backstabbing scam
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The trade would most likely have to be tipped to the Celtics favor for the Celtics to trade a favorite player of their valuable coach.
Kawhi rental? No
PG rental? Nah
Lebron rental? begrudgingly
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As many have said, If Hayward gets traded it makes Stevens look really bad. And future FA will never look at Boston again.
He's here to stay.
If Hayward gets traded, I really think Stevens would be upset and peeved, but then he'll come to his senses and understand its a business. Ultimately, Ainge is out to get the best interests at heart despite whatever negative connotations may swing his way.
The thing you have to realize though, when Tatum eventually gets his rookie max extension, I would definitely keep him over Hayward, although I would like to keep both.
trading Hayward after he takes a paycut to come before he even plays 1 game for us alienates any future free agent
It isn't a business move, its backstabbing scam
I concur. You can do that to Isaiah Thomas and IDC (guy was already hurt and been running his mouth about a brinks truck). But you don't do that to Gordon Hayward. He's got the Brad Stevens close connection. He took a paycut to come here. He had his family migrate over to Boston. And you just dump him without him playing one full regular season game over some guy who will 99% bolt to the Lakers the following year, and that we don't even know if he will return to his pre-injury form.
Hayward is here to stay.
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I can't see any way the Celts trade any of their best players for Kawhi, not because he isn't a great player, but because he's going to be a free agent, he's coming off a season ending injury, and it seems like he really wants to play in LA. They simply can't afford to trade away valuable assets for a rental, no matter how great he is.