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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: perks-a-beast on June 07, 2018, 10:27:10 AM
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I'm going with Brook Lopez. Of course he's fragile and possibly the worst rebounding center of the past generation, but you can't deny he would be an effective offensive weapon off the bench. Defends the rim better than most think too.
Got a feeling Nerlens may take this one...Celtics fans are still enamored with the guy for some reason..
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
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Brook Lopez would be a no-brainer, but I'm not sure he would be affordable in any way.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
Thanks for clearing up the cap situation.
Personally, I think the Celtics should be bracing themselves to part ways with Smart. The guy is just not that good. Tough to justify paying a guy over $12 mill a season when he's consistently having nights where he's shooting like 1-10, regardless of how many impressive defensive plays he makes.
There's 4 guys on the list i'd rather have than Smart (Lopez, Evans, Favors, Redick), especially if we'd only have to pay them half as much.
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Brook Lopez would be a no-brainer, but I'm not sure he would be affordable in any way.
May take a discount for the chance to win a ring?
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
i agree with the notion that noel may be humbled and take the opportunity here. A sales pitch by brad will do wonders. That's of course if we have any interest in he first place
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If we don't re-sign Smart, Tyreke Evans.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture? Non-bird?
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
I like Baynes but let's not pretend he's worth the MLE...especially with Theis back healthy and absorbing a lot of his minutes.
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I really like Favors
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
I like Baynes but let's not pretend he's worth the MLE...especially with Theis back healthy and absorbing a
Who's guarding Embiid? Not Theis.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
Then we will need to find someone with strength to handle big men like Embiid and Towns. Horford can't handle them in long stints. Yabusele will really have to step up to fill that role. He has the mass and athleticism, but lacks experience and savvy.
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Aron Baynes
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.
Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen? There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.
Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen? There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.
I feel like the Magic would be willing to send a 2nd rounder for Morris and absorb their contract.
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I think the focus needs to be on a big. Right now, our "big" rotation is pretty up in the air:
Under Contract actual bigs:
Horford
Theis
Under Contract "but":
Morris (kind of a swing)
Ojeleye (still developing)
Yabusele (still developing)
Tatum (I don't see him as a regular big)
So really all we have is Horford and Theis with Morris. I don't think we can count on Ojeleye and Yabusele for regular rotation minutes, certainly not for a playoff run. Horford is a legit starter. Theis and Morris are probably better off the bench. We need a starting level big added. I don't think Tatum is a starting level big. I like Baynes, we could get by with him. Favors may be a good fit but I don't see us having the money to match what he will command.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.
Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen? There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.
I feel like the Magic would be willing to send a 2nd rounder for Morris and absorb their contract.
Depends what direction the Magic want to go this year, but I wouldn’t count on that trade.
The name, in addition to Nerlens, that people should look at for a short deal to build value is Alex Len. I’m not sure what market he’s going to see.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.
Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen? There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.
Why would adding a pick change the salary situation?
I would think several teams would love him as a 5.4 mill 1 -year rental..
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.
Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen? There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.
I feel like the Magic would be willing to send a 2nd rounder for Morris and absorb their contract.
Depends what direction the Magic want to go this year, but I wouldn’t count on that trade.
The name, in addition to Nerlens, that people should look at for a short deal to build value is Alex Len.
I've been advocating Len for 2 years now. Great value. Still developing.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.
Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen? There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.
Why would adding a pick change the salary situation?
I would think several teams would love him as a 5.4 mill 1 -year rental..
I’m sure there are several teams that would love him. The problem is those teams don’t have the cap space to absorb his contract without sending salary back to us (which we don’t want since that’s the entire point of the deal). Literally half the league could be in the luxury tax next year — cap space for absorbing contracts will be at a huge premium.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.
Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen? There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.
I feel like the Magic would be willing to send a 2nd rounder for Morris and absorb their contract.
Depends what direction the Magic want to go this year, but I wouldn’t count on that trade.
The name, in addition to Nerlens, that people should look at for a short deal to build value is Alex Len.
I've been advocating Len for 2 years now. Great value. Still developing.
Same here, they keep wasting his talents.. TP to ya!
Len had one of his better games of the season with 19 points, 12 rebounds and three blocked shots. It was Len’s 10th double-double of the season, giving him at least 10 double-doubles each of the past four years.
The last Suns player to have at least 10 double-doubles in four straight seasons was Steve Nash, who did it a slightly different way from 2004-12.
“I felt good. Teammates were finding me,” Len said.
The game is a reminder of what Phoenix thought Len could be when it made him the fifth overall pick in the 2013 draft. But as the season comes to a close and Len heads into the summer as an unrestricted free agent, it’s clear that after five mostly unfulfilling years, Len will be with a different team in 2018-19.
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where's the option for Baynes since the MLE is likely the only option we have for resigning him? considering what he brings consistantly - tough post defense and rebounding - not to mention a newly found 3 point shot, he'd be worth it.
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Aron Baynes
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Dewayne Dedmon is the best realistic player in this list (Redick isn't taking MLE). If you thought Monroe was bad, Brook Lopez would get even less minutes on our team. Waste of a roster slot.
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I've been a fan of Noel for a long time. He's my vote.
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Dewayne Dedmon is the best realistic player in this list (Redick isn't taking MLE). If you thought Monroe was bad, Brook Lopez would get even less minutes on our team. Waste of a roster slot.
Monroe and Lopez are not remotely close offensively.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
Even the tax payer MLE? To avoid the hard cap
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
Even the tax payer MLE? To avoid the hard cap
Yes. I give a lengthier explanation elsewhere in the thread.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
Even the tax payer MLE? To avoid the hard cap
Yes. I give a lengthier explanation elsewhere in the thread.
saltlover, I'm pretty sure you mentioned this before, how do you know so much about CBA rules? Is your occupation related to that particular field, or is this just a heavy dose of research/studying?
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
Even the tax payer MLE? To avoid the hard cap
Yes. I give a lengthier explanation elsewhere in the thread.
saltlover, I'm pretty sure you mentioned this before, how do you know so much about CBA rules? Is your occupation related to that particular field, or is this just a heavy dose of research/studying?
Obsession is a dangerous drug. I gave it up for three months, but obviously I could only last so long.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.
Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen? There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.
Why would adding a pick change the salary situation?
I would think several teams would love him as a 5.4 mill 1 -year rental..
I’m sure there are several teams that would love him. The problem is those teams don’t have the cap space to absorb his contract without sending salary back to us (which we don’t want since that’s the entire point of the deal). Literally half the league could be in the luxury tax next year — cap space for absorbing contracts will be at a huge premium.
Then why is it a huge problem that the Celtics go into the luxury tax, while so many other teams are doing it? Can you explain that?
In fact I believe maintaining our current roster would make us second favorite to win the title after GSW, without strange things happening in the league. We are a team that's in a position to afford the luxury tax. Why would we reduce our legit title chances right now by avoiding the luxury tax (to postpone a possible repeater tax) to possibly increase future title chances?
Seems weird to me. If you can avoid the luxury tax it's a nice bonus, but not a necessity to me. You can't resign Smart to just any number, but if those negotations work out reasonably then I just woul like to keep our following rotation:
Irving/Rozier/Larkin - Brown/Smart/Bird - Tatum/Hayward/Ojeleye - Horford/Morris/Yabusele - Baynes/Theis/'18 Boston 1st.
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Rondoooooooo
But only if we lose Smart ::)
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.
Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen? There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.
Why would adding a pick change the salary situation?
I would think several teams would love him as a 5.4 mill 1 -year rental..
I’m sure there are several teams that would love him. The problem is those teams don’t have the cap space to absorb his contract without sending salary back to us (which we don’t want since that’s the entire point of the deal). Literally half the league could be in the luxury tax next year — cap space for absorbing contracts will be at a huge premium.
I think a team like Dallas that has cap space and probably wants to get back to winning ASAP could be a trade partner.
Also I’m not so sure the MLE market will dry up that quickly before Smart is re-signed. Usually the big guns are signed first followed by MLE guys so I think we’ll have time for both.
I could see if Rozier is used in a package to trade up in the draft, we back fill his spot signing Evans to the MLE. Maybe we could re-sign Baynes with non bird rights and 20% increase in salary. That may tip them over the tax though. You know the numbers better than anyone here though.
Wouldn’t mind a flyer on Noel or Len rather than assets to trade up in the draft. It seems to me Ainge will have a healthy amount of options.
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
Don't see why we can't re-sign Smart and use the MLE as well.
payroll in 2018-19
1. Hayward $31,214,295
2. Horford $28,928,710
3. Kyrie $20,099,189
4. Smart (let's say) $11,000,000
5. Tatum $6,700,800
6. Morris $5,375,000
7. Brown $5,169,960
8. Rozier $3,050,389
9. Yabu $2,667,600
10. Semi $1,378,242
11. Theis $1,378,242
12. #27 pick $1,640,400
13. Non-Taxpayer MLE $8,568,000
14. minimum salary $1,499,698
15. minimum salary $1,499,698
Jackson $92,857
SUM $130,263,080
The tax line is projected at approximately $120.8 million.
$130,263,080 - $120,800,000 = $9,463,080 over the tax line
For a non-repeater, it breaks down like this:
$7.5m for the first $5m over.
$8.75m for the next $5m.
$7,500,000 + $7,810,390 = $15,310,390 in luxury tax
That's no big deal (especially since the C's will be contending for the championship next season).
So the question is:
Assuming we don't use the MLE, can we avoid the tax altogether in 2018-2019 (in order to postpone the repeater tax for 1 year)? It's possible, but I don't think it's the most likely scenario. Basically, we 'd have to convince Smart to re-sign for ~MLE money (or trade Morris straight up for a pick?). I bet Smart can find better offers on the open market.
1. Hayward $31,214,295
2. Horford $28,928,710
3. Kyrie $20,099,189
4. Smart $8,600,000 (just a tad above the MLE)
5. Tatum $6,700,800
6. Morris $5,375,000
7. Brown $5,169,960
8. Rozier $3,050,389
9. Yabu $2,667,600
10. Semi $1,378,242
11. Theis $1,378,242
12. #27 pick $1,640,400
13. minimum salary $1,499,698
14. minimum salary $1,499,698
15. minimum salary $1,499,698
Jackson $92,857
SUM $120,794,778 < $120,800,000 (the tax line)
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As for the MLE candidates:
(imo)
best player on the list is Reke
best fit is Ellington/Redick (don't think Redick is gonna be availble for the MLE though)
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We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
Even the tax payer MLE? To avoid the hard cap
Yes. I give a lengthier explanation elsewhere in the thread.
saltlover, I'm pretty sure you mentioned this before, how do you know so much about CBA rules? Is your occupation related to that particular field, or is this just a heavy dose of research/studying?
Obsession is a dangerous drug. I gave it up for three months, but obviously I could only last so long.
We'll call it Saltlover's Sabbatical ;) ;D.
We will be foregoing the MLE this year. People should not get their hopes up.
what makes you say that?
I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smart’s price to something that provides better value).
The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation. It’s not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlens’ Boston roots.
So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..
How does he fit in to the picture?
He doesn’t unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly. And even then I’m not sure he does.
I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes. But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup won’t be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesn’t necessarily fit what we need from him. Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis. That’s a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes. The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation. The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and that’s 14 guys right there. That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesn’t get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.
If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.
Remind me as to why we'll be keeping both of those guys, again?
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I like Dedmon the best out of all the options.
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Would Derrick Favors even take the MLE ?
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Rondoooooooooo
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Derrick Favors would be a bargain at MLE.
Will C's retain Baynes without the MLE?
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Derrick Favors would be a bargain at MLE.
Will C's retain Baynes without the MLE?
I wish Favors was attainable for the MLE, but I don't think he is. I reckon on the right team (which I don't think Utah are for him) he could return to the guy he was pre-injury, and before the emergence of Gobert. He's really good at picking his spots offensively, so I could see him getting back to 15-16ppg with a change of scenery
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I like Dedmon the best out of all the options.
Dedmon is interesting, and he might be a solid replacement for Baynes. But he’s also had injury problems in the past - he has four full seasons in the league, and played 58, 59, 76, and 62 games in the regular season. How much will he be available if the Cs go deep into the playoffs next year? Those 76 games in his 2016-17 season with the spurs is hopeful, but after this past year a spotty injury history worries me.
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Get Favors!!! Guy is is underrated..better than Baynes
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Get Favors!!! Guy is is underrated..better than Baynes
Do you really think he can play Embid one on one like Baynes does? I like Favors but I don't see any center that plays as good straight up against Embid as Baynes.
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Get Favors!!! Guy is is underrated..better than Baynes
Do you really think he can play Embid one on one like Baynes does? I like Favors but I don't see any center that plays as good straight up against Embid as Baynes.
Using the MLE on a guy for one matchup (with an extraordinarily injury prone player to boot) is a dangerous path, in my opinion.
Favors is an athletic, strong, defensive minded rebounding big. I think he'd be good (not quite as good as Baynes) at defending Embiid. The problem with Baynes defending Embiid is how foul-prone Baynes is, whether genuine fouls or bs calls
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Get Favors!!! Guy is is underrated..better than Baynes
Very little chance Favors can be signed for the MLE. I'd guess he gets at least a few offers in the $15 m / year range.
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Isn't Noel a LLE or minimum candidate? Evan Turner 2 year rehab project.