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Title: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: trickybilly on June 07, 2018, 01:48:01 AM
I really like Bird. He could be a victim of roster crunch, but I'd love to see him get a two or three year deal. We have all sorts of cap considerations at the moment, so curious to know if anyone shares my Bird-watching habit. Or am I just delusional-nostalgic about the 80's?
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: gouki88 on June 07, 2018, 01:50:54 AM
I don't see him getting a big money deal. I think we should offer him the Vet Min regardless
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 07, 2018, 03:08:54 AM
He'll either sign another 2 way contract or come for the vet min. I can't see anything more than that
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: Big333223 on June 07, 2018, 08:57:27 AM
He played a grand total of 115 NBA minutes last year and averaged 3 ppg. He's also about to turn 24. It's hard for me to envision him getting more than a minimum offer from anyone, if one comes at all.

I hope he comes back to the Celtics, though, as he can definitely be useful on a good contract.
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on June 07, 2018, 09:04:17 AM
Sign him to one year max deal, then trade him for LeBron.  ;D
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: saltlover on June 07, 2018, 09:13:09 AM
I don't see him getting a big money deal. I think we should offer him the Vet Min regardless

To be clear, he’s eligible for the rookie minimum, not a veteran minimum.  He technically has 0 years of NBA service from a contract perspective.
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: gouki88 on June 07, 2018, 09:14:39 AM
I don't see him getting a big money deal. I think we should offer him the Vet Min regardless

To be clear, he’s eligible for the rookie minimum, not a veteran minimum.  He technically has 0 years of NBA service from a contract perspective.
Right, my bad. Can't say I was paying much attention. Rookie minimum would be perfect I reckon
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: gift on June 07, 2018, 09:16:31 AM
I don't imagine demand is high for Bird, so I think something along the lines of the rookie minimum is all that it would take. I'd like to keep him for depth and continuity. But he is currently buried behind our depth at the wing spots. Maybe if Marcus Smart leaves, Bird can grab some of his off-ball minutes? Not sure.
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: CelticsElite on June 07, 2018, 09:18:21 AM
Give him 2 years at the minimum. I think he can play. 
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: Fafnir on June 07, 2018, 09:34:14 AM
Rookie minimum.

He hasn't shown much to justify anything else. Plus he's not the sort of player you go into the tax for and limit your exceptions/options.
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: saltlover on June 07, 2018, 09:36:54 AM
I fully expect Bird to be a Celtic or in Maine next year.  To clarify:

His qualifying offer is $50,000, which if he accepts it means he can be a 2-way player again next year.  Needless to say, the Celtics will extend him the QO.

Restricted free agents tend to have a limited market as is.  Bird is not likely to be an exception to this.  Accordingly, I expect he and the Celtics will come to a deal that is structured similar to the Nader and Ojeleye deals — 4 years, year 1 fully guaranteed and at an amount somewhere betweeen the rookie minimum and the year 2 minimum, minimum every other year, partially guaranteed in year 2, non-guaranteed in years 3&4, team option year 4.  This signing requires use of some of the MLE.

The way things get dicey is as follows:

1) They use a very large amount of the MLE on someone else (Baynes), leaving too little to match an offer sheet from another team (Bird won’t get one as long as the Celtics have a couple million of the MLE to spend, but once it’s below $2 million a team might take a chance).

2) They use most of the big MLE on a free agent, exposing them to the hardcap, and get too close to it after taking care of Smart.

3) They preserve the MLE, but after signing Smart are only around $1.5 million from the tax, allowing another team to force the Celtics to choose between Bird and hitting the tax a year early.

I think all of the above is unlikely.  The Celtics are going to sign Bird or someone else to fill the roster spot.  As long as Bird signs for below the minimum for a player with two years of experience, he will be the cheaper option against the tax and hard cap this season.  Knowing this, the C’s will make a competitive offer to Bird from the outset to get him under contract.  This lets them know how much room they have with Smart, so they can get him taken care of.  In an ideal world, they will come to an agreement with Smart in time to enter the rest of the free agent market for a big, but I think that the Smart situation will drag on for a while.  We’ll be left looking for a bargain basement big (although if we get a second Theis, I think everyone will be quite happy with a bargain basement big).
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: Monkhouse on June 07, 2018, 09:40:34 AM
As Saltlover said, he's eligible for the rookie minimum, which he definitely deserves.
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: CelticsElite on June 07, 2018, 09:43:19 AM
Bird on a 4 year deal would be great
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: Birdman on June 07, 2018, 09:51:08 AM
With the team we have now, he wont see any playing time
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: gouki88 on June 07, 2018, 09:52:56 AM
With the team we have now, he wont see any playing time
Larkin isn't a certainty for next season. I'd like Bird as a potential replacement for that. Or, hopefully, Nader gets tossed and Bird takes his garbage minutes
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: perks-a-beast on June 07, 2018, 09:58:24 AM
Got a good feeling about Bird. Think he can blossom in to an E'Twaun Moore type player in the right situation. But may only be the C's 13th or 14th man next season...Boston is just so deep.
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: CelticsElite on June 07, 2018, 10:00:19 AM
Got a good feeling about Bird. Think he can blossom in to an E'Twaun Moore type player in the right situation. But may only be the C's 13th or 14th man next season...Boston is just so deep.
Same thing

I see etwaun type of player in him as well. 
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 07, 2018, 01:08:04 PM
minimum
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 07, 2018, 01:39:56 PM
Got a good feeling about Bird. Think he can blossom in to an E'Twaun Moore type player in the right situation. But may only be the C's 13th or 14th man next season...Boston is just so deep.

I like that comparison for the most part. Moore is a below average defender, but not absolutely terrible.

I think Bird could be a better defender with his length and quickness.

I actually think he could be more like an Avery Bradley lite.
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: tstorey_97 on June 07, 2018, 01:45:47 PM
Celtics need a cheap guard coming up through the ranks. Smart or Rozier will be gone at some point. Bird is old, but, he seems to have a little bit of everything. No idea on his defense as the G league doesn't play any.
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 12, 2018, 01:06:11 PM
Celtics need a cheap guard coming up through the ranks. Smart or Rozier will be gone at some point. Bird is old, but, he seems to have a little bit of everything. No idea on his defense as the G league doesn't play any.

Ha! Didn’t realize that about G League!
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: smokeablount on June 12, 2018, 01:28:04 PM
Got a good feeling about Bird. Think he can blossom in to an E'Twaun Moore type player in the right situation. But may only be the C's 13th or 14th man next season...Boston is just so deep.

I like that comparison for the most part. Moore is a below average defender, but not absolutely terrible.

I think Bird could be a better defender with his length and quickness.

I actually think he could be more like an Avery Bradley lite.

I think it's an absolute best case scenario, but I like the comp as far as his upside.
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: slamtheking on June 12, 2018, 01:51:01 PM
With the team we have now, he wont see any playing time
Larkin isn't a certainty for next season. I'd like Bird as a potential replacement for that. Or, hopefully, Nader gets tossed and Bird takes his garbage minutes
if we can work $ and a spot for Bird in Nader's place I'm all for it.  Bird looks like he could be a useful end of bench guard whereas Nader needs to be elsewhere next year.
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: rollie mass on June 12, 2018, 01:59:22 PM
Bird has quick twitch but not the length except his height wingspan is only 6-7.But he gets up like a rocketship.
 Just missing the wingspan to be disruptive in passing lanes but has a strong motor and his time with the Red Claws prepped him well .Opposition was going threw the motions and he was a blur and  and exploded for put backs and dunks.A keeper???
Summer league is going to be important this year.

Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: saltlover on June 12, 2018, 05:39:37 PM
Saw an article from a couple weeks ago that Bird was planning on participating in Summer League with the Celtics.  That implies that he expects to get a deal signed quickly (unless he’s willing to play while a free agent, I guess).  He won’t be the most important signing of the offseason, but it would be good if he were the easiest, allowing the Celtics to know how much they have available to spend on Smart and maybe another free agent very early into the process.

He’s definitely shown the attributes that could make him a useful reserve for several years, and at minimum-salary levels, that’s exactly the type of player we need to keep the top of the roster affordable.
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: bogg on June 12, 2018, 05:51:24 PM
I'm on board with Bird returning on another two-way deal, but I'm not sure there's going to be room on the roster for him short of an unexpected trade. I figure Monroe's probably gone and whoever they take at 27 gets Monroe's spot on the roster. If Baynes leaves as well they need to replace him with another big, not a swingman, but I think he'll ultimately be back. While Nader may or may not see next season, if he's gone I expect it means Ainge went hunting on the free-agent market with the mid-level for someone like Tyreke Evans.

EDIT: Forgot that Larkin could also be departing this summer, which could theoretically open a spot for Bird there, particularly if Smart and Rozier are both back and Nader (who I haven't given up on) is replaced with a ball-handling wing like Evans. I guess that's the mechanism for it happening, if it does.
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: smokeablount on June 12, 2018, 05:53:54 PM
With the team we have now, he wont see any playing time
Larkin isn't a certainty for next season. I'd like Bird as a potential replacement for that. Or, hopefully, Nader gets tossed and Bird takes his garbage minutes
if we can work $ and a spot for Bird in Nader's place I'm all for it.  Bird looks like he could be a useful end of bench guard whereas Nader needs to be elsewhere next year.

This. 

Bird's clearly not good enough to be a 12th man, but he's better than Nader and could be worthy of occupying one of our 3 developmental spots (Yabu, Bird > Nader, #27 or Semi). 

And like saltlover says, it'd be great to sign him quickly near the minimum for a few years to fill the roster cheaply and know where we stand for the rest of the summer. 
Title: Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
Post by: mrb617 on June 13, 2018, 05:42:17 PM
Bird is the next Rozier. Part of the reason Rozier is expendable.

Bird is going to be good. I liked Rozier his rookie year, and Bird looks better