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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: CelticsElite on June 02, 2018, 02:28:57 AM
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Luka Doncic (Or if you consider him a PG or SF. Offensively he plays all three positions)
Lonnie Walker
Troy Brown Jr
Jacob Evans
Anfernee Simons
Melvin Frazier
Donte DiVicenzo
Josh Okogie
Khyri Thomas
Zhaire Smith
Kevin Huerter
Tyus Battle
Gary Trent Jr
Bruce Brown
Grayson Allen
Rawle Alkins
Jerome Robinson
Landry Shamet
Charles Matthews
Malik Newman
Allonzo Trier
Tony Carr
Shake Milton
We will be solid if we can walk away with DiVicenzo and another one from this list
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Charles Matthews has opted to stay at Michigan :-\.
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can anyone shoot worse?
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Zhaire Smith might give you what Smart does.
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Zhaire Smith might give you what Smart does.
Thanks. I looked him up and he does show promise but I would need to see how it translates to the NBA. I don't know of many 6'4" or 6'5" guys I feel comfortable with guarding a Kevin Love or even LBJ. I never feel the mismatch when it's Smart because he always seems to make special plays when needed but again thanks for the name so I could check him out. It looks like you lost some TPs also so you get one from me buddy.
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Zhaire Smith might give you what Smart does.
Thanks. I looked him up and he does show promise but I would need to see how it translates to the NBA. I don't know of many 6'4" or 6'5" guys I feel comfortable with guarding a Kevin Love or even LBJ. I never feel the mismatch when it's Smart because he always seems to make special plays when needed but again thanks for the name so I could check him out. It looks like you lost some TPs also so you get one from me buddy.
Yeah he doesn't have the bulk Smart does to handle guys in the post. But he is actually a hybrid of Bradley and Smart. He has more length and instincts like Smart but athletic ability and better shooting like AB. But he will go in the bottom half of the lottery.
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can anyone shoot worse?
yes! fultz did last year, or at least was in the same neighborhood.
smart career
36 fg% 29 3pt% 75.6 ft%
fultz
40.5 fg% 0.0 3pt% 47.6 ft%
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I think the closest thing to a Marcus Smart in this draft is Bruce Brown, hands down. He could very well be available at 27. He's also a Boston boy. The problem is the draft happens before free agency starts. Such is the dilemma for Danny and the C's.
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Does Melton interest any of you guys? He's more of a combo guard but I can see Danny liking him, tenacious defender and seems to be able to carve out an AB like career given he works on that shot, maybe with more slashing and ball handling.
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This may be what Ainge is also thinking when it comes to resigning smart.
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I think the closest thing to a Marcus Smart in this draft is Bruce Brown, hands down. He could very well be available at 27. He's also a Boston boy. The problem is the draft happens before free agency starts. Such is the dilemma for Danny and the C's.
This is a good thing. Danny can draft a poor man's Marcus or another style of SG before he has to make a decision on Marcus. It gives him a little bit more leverage not to overpay. I think Danny's goal should be to maintain a fiscally responsible team vs signing one player that isn't good enough to start.
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PG is probably deeper
Young
Sexton
Shai G-A
Shamet
Simons
Holiday
Milton
Melton
Brunson
Carter
Graham
Battle
Duval
Carr
Plus all the Euros
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PG is probably deeper
Young
Sexton
Shai G-A
Shamet
Simons
Holiday
Milton
Melton
Brunson
Carter
Graham
Battle
Duval
Carr
Plus all the Euros
Bonga!
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PG is probably deeper
Young
Sexton
Shai G-A
Shamet
Simons
Holiday
Milton
Melton
Brunson
Carter
Graham
Battle
Duval
Carr
Plus all the Euros
i consider simons and Carr to be SG but I agree there’s A lot of Pg
I still like the SHooting guards better. How many drafts have this many good shooting guards?
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Is there any article unified about the prospects we will likely target at 27? (haven't been paying attention)
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Is there any article unified about the prospects we will likely target at 27? (haven't been paying attention)
Mock drafts on The Ringer and ESPN pair Boston with the same prospect—De'Anthony Melton, a defensive-minded guard out of USC
"Melton looked to be on the verge of a breakout season for USC before the FBI's investigation into recruiting shut him down indefinitely," ESPN's Jonathan Givony wrote. "His defensive versatility, toughness and intangibles make him a prospect worth investing in."
The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor sees shades of Marcus Smart in Melton, meaning the latter could be a cheap replacement option should the former prove too costly.
Bleacher Report's Jonathan Wasserman linked three other names to Boston.
The first is Missouri big man Jontay Porter, whose per-40-minute marks included the modern mix of 3.7 assists, 2.7 blocks and 2.0 threes. (Important to note porter is going to stay in college and not enter draft ) The others are Duke guards Gary Trent Jr. and Grayson Allen. Trent made 2.6 threes per game at a 40.2 percent clip, while Allen, who averaged 21.6 points as a sophomore, posted personal bests as a senior in assists (4.6), steals (1.7) and defensive win shares (2.0).
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Is there any article unified about the prospects we will likely target at 27? (haven't been paying attention)
Mock drafts on The Ringer and ESPN pair Boston with the same prospect—De'Anthony Melton, a defensive-minded guard out of USC
"Melton looked to be on the verge of a breakout season for USC before the FBI's investigation into recruiting shut him down indefinitely," ESPN's Jonathan Givony wrote. "His defensive versatility, toughness and intangibles make him a prospect worth investing in."
The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor sees shades of Marcus Smart in Melton, meaning the latter could be a cheap replacement option should the former prove too costly.
Bleacher Report's Jonathan Wasserman linked three other names to Boston.
The first is Missouri big man Jontay Porter, whose per-40-minute marks included the modern mix of 3.7 assists, 2.7 blocks and 2.0 threes. (Important to note porter is going to stay in college and not enter draft ) The others are Duke guards Gary Trent Jr. and Grayson Allen. Trent made 2.6 threes per game at a 40.2 percent clip, while Allen, who averaged 21.6 points as a sophomore, posted personal bests as a senior in assists (4.6), steals (1.7) and defensive win shares (2.0).
Thank you, very appreciated
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Watched some Melton videos
My take is not that impressive
1.He play physical but does he have strength to guard nba 4/5 when switched on?
2.Personality seems like lack of "it" to perform on the road/big games
Most importantly i feel if you want a swiss army knife role player who can do rebound/assist/defense but limited on O why not just choose a big3~4 size player, to me 1~2 position has to be your main scoring punch since they will always be limited on the board/defense compared to other position, but they can use their fire power/PG skills to compensate/override that, and i think Danny is targeting on that too(Semi/Yabu)
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Yes. Rawle Alkins.
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Yes. Rawle Alkins.
I also think Troy Brown has a legit shot at being better than Smart, but will almost definitely be gone before we pick
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So when are all these guys going to be better than Smart? In 2-3 years? Who will be better than Smart this year? Who has enough strength/size/weight/tenacity to swith on bigs and hold your own. I doubt any and we are going for it next year - not 3 years from now.
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PG is probably deeper
Young
Sexton
Shai G-A
Shamet
Simons
Holiday
Milton
Melton
Brunson
Carter
Graham
Battle
Duval
Carr
Plus all the Euros
i consider simons and Carr to be SG but I agree there’s A lot of Pg
I still like the SHooting guards better. How many drafts have this many good shooting guards?
Thing is the majority of these SGs lack in a lot of areas. The PGs are very complete as far as skills in comparison.
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Yes. Rawle Alkins.
Not likely. But we can sign him when he goes undrafted.
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Yes. Rawle Alkins.
Not likely. But we can sign him when he goes undrafted.
Is he likely to go undrafted?
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Yes. Rawle Alkins.
Not likely. But we can sign him when he goes undrafted.
On what are you basing this statement?
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Yes. Rawle Alkins.
Not likely. But we can sign him when he goes undrafted.
On what are you basing this statement?
That I think he’s only about a 50/50 chance to get drafted, and that you have a penchant for really liking players that go undrafted (Daniel Ochefu comes to mind, but I know you’ve had others as well). Regardless of his draft status, however, thinking that a wing who was only okay as a college shooter, was inconsistent defensively in terms of effort, and has zero ability to run an offense will be better than Smart is either offering some very aggressive projection for Alkins, completely overlooking that Smart is a capable PG even without a shot, or both. With you, I lean more towards the former than the latter. But Alkins projects as a 3&D wing who currently has shown an inconsistent 3 and inconsistent D. Maybe he’ll get drafted. Maybe he’ll make it in the NBA. But no way will he be as good as Smart, flaws and all.
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Well you do realize offense is half the game right? So coming to that revelation it is easy to say many of them could be better than Smart when talking about a fully rounded player!
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Does Melton interest any of you guys? He's more of a combo guard but I can see Danny liking him, tenacious defender and seems to be able to carve out an AB like career given he works on that shot, maybe with more slashing and ball handling.
Very much so, and he's the perfect guy to pick at 27. At that position, we need somebody with a binary outcome (i.e., small chance to become a star, bigger chance not to make it long-term); we're done with role players. Given how little info we have on the guy because he was out for the season, he may fall.
TP to help you get back on your feet.
Mike
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Below are comparisons for the 18 SGs projected to be out of the lottery by Tankathon. Nice tool that highlights strengths (green dot) and weaknesses (red dot) compared to their peers. Troy Brown, Shake Milton, Donte DiVincenzo, Kevin Huerter (Celtics per Tankathon mock), Khyri Thomas, Issac Bonga, Gary Trent, and Bruce Brown are all slotted in their mock to be in our vicinity +/- 7 picks
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=troy-brown--donte-divincenzo--shake-milton--anfernee-simons--zhaire-smith
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=isaac-bonga--bruce-brown--kevin-huerter--khyri-thomas--gary-trent-jr
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=rawle-alkins--grayson-allen--hamidou-diallo--de-anthony-melton--jerome-robinson
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=sviatoslav-mykhailiuk--malik-newman--josh-okogie
My pick among the 4-5 SG in our immediate pick vicinity would be Khyri Thomas. 6’3.75 with 6’10.5” wingspan, 2-time Big East DPOY, with a 62.5% TS%. Not a bad combination, but I’ve seen him slotted as high as #17. I’m looking for a guy who can contribute rather than a long-shot star. We have plenty of stars and better picks in future drafts than #27. Wouldn't be surprised if we swap the pick plus a player to move up and get big or trade down especially if SG is considered the position of need. At this point in Danny’s career, I trust him.
“Thomas is interesting in that he’s more of a combo guard than a true wing, measuring in at just under 6’4” during the draft combine last week. However, he doesn’t let his size deter him on the defensive end, winning Big East Defensive Player of the Year in both his sophomore and junior seasons at Creighton. A lengthy 6’10.5” wingspan reduces the height deterrent, enabling Thomas to pester ball-handlers without fouling, and giving him an edge at intercepting passes. With high assist and steal numbers, and fantastic efficiency, Thomas is a prospect who looks to be one of the best in his class statistically, getting docked mostly for his age and height. Those are real factors limiting his upside, no doubt, but I don’t think they are big concerns considering his overall skillset. Khyri can shoot, he can pass, and he can play defense, and those are a rare combination of tools for a prospect. “
https://www.clipsnation.com/2018/5/31/17414082/underrated-and-overrated-wing-prospects-in-the-2018-nba-draft
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Well you do realize offense is half the game right? So coming to that revelation it is easy to say many of them could be better than Smart when talking about a fully rounded player!
You do realize that there are other aspect to offense than simply shooting, right? And that Smart is good-to-very good at many of those other components?
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Well you do realize offense is half the game right? So coming to that revelation it is easy to say many of them could be better than Smart when talking about a fully rounded player!
And you do realize that offense isn't just shooting right? Spacing, setting screens, good passes, etc. I'd say he does many offensive things very well.
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Honestly, I could see us trading the pick and using the money to sign a veteran.
I’m looking for a guy who can contribute rather than a long-shot star.
Then trade the pick.
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Mo Bamba or bust, for me.
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Honestly, I could see us trading the pick and using the money to sign a veteran.
I’m looking for a guy who can contribute rather than a long-shot star.
Then trade the pick.
Won't get much of a veteran for $1.6 million. I could see Smart leaving and using his money to get a vet.
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Yes. Rawle Alkins.
Not likely. But we can sign him when he goes undrafted.
On what are you basing this statement?
That I think he’s only about a 50/50 chance to get drafted, and that you have a penchant for really liking players that go undrafted (Daniel Ochefu comes to mind, but I know you’ve had others as well). Regardless of his draft status, however, thinking that a wing who was only okay as a college shooter, was inconsistent defensively in terms of effort, and has zero ability to run an offense will be better than Smart is either offering some very aggressive projection for Alkins, completely overlooking that Smart is a capable PG even without a shot, or both. With you, I lean more towards the former than the latter. But Alkins projects as a 3&D wing who currently has shown an inconsistent 3 and inconsistent D. Maybe he’ll get drafted. Maybe he’ll make it in the NBA. But no way will he be as good as Smart, flaws and all.
Lol, this has absolutely nothing to do with me, man, but if we're going that route I'd like to give Ochefu an actual shot as opposed to just letting him rot in the G League. Just because he doesn't shoot threes doesn't mean that he can't play at the professional level, and he's better than Baynes, imo, who I actually like, btw, just for the record.
Still, and with all do respect, there are a number of problems with your analysis in terms of "You're Gonna Hear Me Rawle", lol ;D, imo. First, Alkins is not, and has never been, a "wing" in any sense of the word. He's a combo guard, at the absolute worst, with pretty decent playmaking skills, again, imo, although he is built like a tank, so there's that ;D.
Second, if you think that Alkins is an inconsistent shooter, as to how, exactly, would you describe Smart, even while the latter was in college, lol? Like, it's not even close in this regard between the two guys, imo. Come on ::).
Third, Alkins, and somewhat like Smart, I suppose, was the glue guy for the Wildcats during his time in Arizona, bringing that added dimension of emotion and toughness to a team that was lacking in both without him during his two seasons, there. Really, in his absence, they just weren't the same club, imo.
Fourth, Alkins has not only shown a penchant for hitting big shots, but he can also, and unlike Smart, play off of the ball, whether in terms of spotting up or doing his damage in the post, where, again, unlike Smart, he actually has moves to utilize, inside, as opposed to simply attempting to run over/through his defender, lol, and
Fifth, he's neither a bonehead nor flopper who has the ability to both get to and actually finish at the basket. I just can't believe that this is the bar, now ::). Ugh.
Combine all of that with an excellent work ethic and I don't see any reason as to why Boston should pass on him, but I'm weird :-\. He's the only guy in whom I have any interest in this draft, btw, so you won't see any "blowup the team" ideas from me, this year, bahahaha ;D. Even among potential undrafted players, the only dude who I'd pursue, there, would be Ben Lammers, but yeah, that's it. What a dull draft, LOL ;D.
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Yes. Rawle Alkins.
Not likely. But we can sign him when he goes undrafted.
Told you he’d go undrafted.
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Yes. Rawle Alkins.
Not likely. But we can sign him when he goes undrafted.
Told you he’d go undrafted.
Hopefully that's all you're correct about *cough* Robert Williams *cough*.
But I doubt it. I don't mind Williams at all though. Bit of a steal
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Yes. Rawle Alkins.
Not likely. But we can sign him when he goes undrafted.
Told you he’d go undrafted.
Actually surprised he went undrafted, he's a solid guy with decent size, and durability/strength. Has a lot of intangibles, but I'm totally okay with him going undrafted, makes it cheaper for us! ;D ;D ;D ;D. He's a nice bench piece to add to any team.
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can any of these shoot better than Smart ?
Can any of these play better than Smart? um, nope!
Yes. Rawle Alkins.
Not likely. But we can sign him when he goes undrafted.
Told you he’d go undrafted.
Actually surprised he went undrafted, he's a solid guy with decent size, and durability/strength. Has a lot of intangibles, but I'm totally okay with him going undrafted, makes it cheaper for us! ;D ;D ;D ;D. He's a nice bench piece to add to any team.
I just read he is signing with the Toronto Raptors.