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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: smokeablount on May 24, 2018, 12:46:43 PM
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Ref #1 for game 5 was Ken Mauer, and true to his trends, the home team and favorite won.
I predict that ref #1 for tomorrow's game will be Marc Davis. I correctly predicted that Ken Mauer and Ed Malloy would be refs last night, and looked at their trends, so I'm curious about game 6.
If it's Davis, we're in for an uphill battle based on the trends, which do have some value. Home teams are 4-1 SU in his games in the 2nd Round and Conference finals, and favorites which the Cavs are, are 4-0 ATS in the 2nd Round and Conference finals.
If my brain doesn't fail I'll update tomorrow with the ref info.
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Here are tonight's:
Golden State @ Houston James Capers (#19) Eric Lewis (#42) Zach Zarba (#15) Bill Spooner (#22)
I still say the crew will have Brothers in it.
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Here are tonight's:
Golden State @ Houston James Capers (#19) Eric Lewis (#42) Zach Zarba (#15) Bill Spooner (#22)
I still say the crew will have Brothers in it.
Brothers was in the replay booth last night so I'm afraid we're more likely to see him in game 7.
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Here are tonight's:
Golden State @ Houston James Capers (#19) Eric Lewis (#42) Zach Zarba (#15) Bill Spooner (#22)
I still say the crew will have Brothers in it.
Brothers was in the replay booth last night so I'm afraid we're more likely to see him in game 7.
Rather have him at home than in Cleveland..
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Here are tonight's:
Golden State @ Houston James Capers (#19) Eric Lewis (#42) Zach Zarba (#15) Bill Spooner (#22)
I still say the crew will have Brothers in it.
Brothers was in the replay booth last night so I'm afraid we're more likely to see him in game 7.
Rather have him at home than in Cleveland..
I don't think I agree.
If we get fair calls at home in game 7, I think we almost certainly take the series, so I would rather keep Tony Brothers as far away from game 7 as possible.
Scott Foster, Derrick Stafford, and potentially Mike Callahan could also be dicey game 7 refs based on trends.
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The NBA is so sad in how much the refs impact the outcomes of games. They might as well include refs in basketball trading cards as they are just as well known as the players at this point. We need to avoid Foster & Brothers these next 2 games.
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The NBA is so sad in how much the refs impact the outcomes of games. They might as well include refs in basketball trading cards as they are just as well known as the players at this point. We need to avoid Foster & Brothers these next 2 games.
Yeah, it's really sad.
And unfortunately I think we're getting at least one (or both) in one of these next two games.
I'd much rather it be Game 6 than Game 7 to be honest. If we lose Game 6 with Foster/Brothers not reffing and then get one (or both) for Game 7, we're screwed big time.
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The NBA is so sad in how much the refs impact the outcomes of games. They might as well include refs in basketball trading cards as they are just as well known as the players at this point. We need to avoid Foster & Brothers these next 2 games.
Tony Brothers is the worst. He won't do game 6. I hope he doesn't do game 7. I've got a fair amount of cash riding on the Celtics in the series and the only reason I'd make a hedge bet today at Cavs +160 is fear that Brothers is ref #1 in game 7. But does the NBA have the balls?
Purely in terms of trends, Marc Davis is the worst non-Tony Brothers ref I could find for game 6, and he's due to ref one. Home teams and favorites always win, and teams on the brink of elimination are 1-0.
Scott Foster is a series extender, but I'm more leery of Davis because he hasn't reffed in awhile, and because Foster's trends favor underdogs against the spread, so while he'd probably steer the Cavs to victory, he'd try to keep it close.
Mike Callahan could also be a bad draw for game 6, as home teams are 5-0 SU, but he has favorable tendencies in that he isn't afraid to send a team fishing (1-2 record for teams facing elimination) and the games stay close, as Underdogs are 4-0-1 against the spread.
I think it's gonna be Davis as ref #1 in game 6. Then I'll pray to God that Tony Brothers is in Saturday's GS-Houston crew, so I can be certain he won't be there to screw us in game 7.
*Note: I know these trends are correlation more than causation, but they can be very insightful things to consider in the context of other information if one were to speculate on playoff basketball, in my experience.
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The NBA is so sad in how much the refs impact the outcomes of games. They might as well include refs in basketball trading cards as they are just as well known as the players at this point. We need to avoid Foster & Brothers these next 2 games.
Yeah, it's really sad.
And unfortunately I think we're getting at least one (or both) in one of these next two games.
I'd much rather it be Game 6 than Game 7 to be honest. If we lose Game 6 with Foster/Brothers not reffing and then get one (or both) for Game 7, we're screwed big time.
This is what worries me. If we could get both of them (this probably isn't possible) in game 6 then I'd be happy, but if we get 1 each in game 6 and game 7, then I am scared. We *should* win this series, but all it takes is the NBA to intervene with these refs and for LeBron to pull a miracle game in game 7 and we are beyond screwed. I expect this to go 7 so I just want a half-decent crew for game 7. Brothers & Foster are the biggest threats.
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who are in your opinion the best refs? Who are the ones least affective to trends/hometeam/extending series.
I think the refs last night were solid. Missed some calls for both teams but wasnt one-sided.
Brothers and Foster are the worst, that's one thing I did find out these playoffs.
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who are in your opinion the best refs? Who are the ones least affective to trends/hometeam/extending series.
I think the refs last night were solid. Missed some calls for both teams but wasnt one-sided.
Brothers and Foster are the worst, that's one thing I did find out these playoffs.
The group in Houston tonight is pretty good.
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who are in your opinion the best refs? Who are the ones least affective to trends/hometeam/extending series.
I think the refs last night were solid. Missed some calls for both teams but wasnt one-sided.
Brothers and Foster are the worst, that's one thing I did find out these playoffs.
The group in Houston tonight is pretty good.
The good refs you don't even know there names....
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who are in your opinion the best refs? Who are the ones least affective to trends/hometeam/extending series.
I think the refs last night were solid. Missed some calls for both teams but wasnt one-sided.
Brothers and Foster are the worst, that's one thing I did find out these playoffs.
Zack Zarba is a 50/50 ref. All the splits for him are at or near 50/50 so he'd be good for either of these games and is pretty consistent.
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My Cavs friends feel refs cost them game 5 😁 They said the two early fouls on Love were BS and chamged course of game- I guess both teams worry about “bad” calls-
If we play our way and dont miss easy paint shots, I like our chance no matter who is calling game-
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My Cavs friends feel refs cost them game 5 😁 They said the two early fouls on Love were BS and chamged course of game- I guess both teams worry about “bad” calls-
If we play our way and dont miss easy paint shots, I like our chance no matter who is calling game-
Yeah, that's crap, at least on how it accounts for Love in particular (regardless if calls were BS or not). He pretty much played the whole 1st quarter, and had 2 fouls called on him throughout the whole game. So... meh.
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Too much whining about the refs.
This series has been reffed pretty fairly. No impact on the outcome of any games.
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Too much whining about the refs.
This series has been reffed pretty fairly. No impact on the outcome of any games.
If you think analyzing ref trends is whining, more power to you. I’m enjoying making money off it tho.
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The NBA is so sad in how much the refs impact the outcomes of games. They might as well include refs in basketball trading cards as they are just as well known as the players at this point. We need to avoid Foster & Brothers these next 2 games.
Tony Brothers is the worst. He won't do game 6. I hope he doesn't do game 7. I've got a fair amount of cash riding on the Celtics in the series and the only reason I'd make a hedge bet today at Cavs +160 is fear that Brothers is ref #1 in game 7. But does the NBA have the balls?
Purely in terms of trends, Marc Davis is the worst non-Tony Brothers ref I could find for game 6, and he's due to ref one. Home teams and favorites always win, and teams on the brink of elimination are 1-0.
Scott Foster is a series extender, but I'm more leery of Davis because he hasn't reffed in awhile, and because Foster's trends favor underdogs against the spread, so while he'd probably steer the Cavs to victory, he'd try to keep it close.
Mike Callahan could also be a bad draw for game 6, as home teams are 5-0 SU, but he has favorable tendencies in that he isn't afraid to send a team fishing (1-2 record for teams facing elimination) and the games stay close, as Underdogs are 4-0-1 against the spread.
I think it's gonna be Davis as ref #1 in game 6. Then I'll pray to God that Tony Brothers is in Saturday's GS-Houston crew, so I can be certain he won't be there to screw us in game 7.
*Note: I know these trends are correlation more than causation, but they can be very insightful things to consider in the context of other information if one were to speculate on playoff basketball, in my experience.
It's Callahan.
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Hopefully we don't get Foster, Brothers, etc in a game 7
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Hopefully we don't get Foster, Brothers, etc in a game 7
Hopefully we don't play game 7
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Hopefully we don't get Foster, Brothers, etc in a game 7
Hopefully we don't play game 7
That would be ideal. I have to think Boston has one good road performance in them in this series.
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Hopefully we don't get Foster, Brothers, etc in a game 7
We win tonight and we won’t have to worry
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Refs for tonight
Mike Callahan
John Goble
Derrick Stafford
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Brothers or Foster for game 7?? I suspect based on the refs assigned for tonight's GSW/HOU game we will know. Praying it's not one of those 2 refs so they don't negate our homecourt advantage.
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So what we should hope for is Foster and Brothers in game 6 Hou-GSW and Davis as one of the refs in Boston? Sounds good to me.
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So what we should hope for is Foster and Brothers in game 6 Hou-GSW and Davis as one of the refs in Boston? Sounds good to me.
Can refs also have back2back games? If so, still not safe for Sunday's game.
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It’s pretty amazing that referees get their own thread because they can control a game in professional sports. It’s a disgusting feeling.
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Fun little fact:
Mike Callahan, Ed Malloy, and Joey Crawford all graduated from the same high school as Tim Donaghy (Cardinal O'Hara high in Philly).
Some interesting tidbits here about how other refs from his high school might have been involved:
https://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=12750726
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Ken Mauer, David Guthrie, Ed Malloy for tonight's Houston-GSW game.
Guess what that means for us in game 7? We will be playing 5 on 8
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Ken Mauer, David Guthrie, Ed Malloy for tonight's Houston-GSW game.
Guess what that means for us in game 7? We will be playing 5 on 8
Yep..Foster and Brothers. I am certain on that.
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Ken Mauer, David Guthrie, Ed Malloy for tonight's Houston-GSW game.
Guess what that means for us in game 7? We will be playing 5 on 8
Yep..Foster and Brothers. I am certain on that.
It could be Zarba, which would be good... but I fear Brothers as well.
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The officials for tonight's Game 7 matchup between the #Celtics and #Cavs will be Marc Davis, James Capers and Zach Zarba with Kane Fitzgerald as the alternate.
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The officials for tonight's Game 7 matchup between the #Celtics and #Cavs will be Marc Davis, James Capers and Zach Zarba with Kane Fitzgerald as the alternate.
Davis is bad but I'll take it all things considered!
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I'm not worried about the refs at all. Lebron will get his calls, that's the way the NBA works. He does not get every call, however, he gets hit every time he drives, but he doesn't go to the line every time. Yes, they don't call the travels and they do call some ticky tac fouls, but that is what happens with star players. The Celts have not lost any games against Cleveland this series due to officiating.
They lost game 6 because they missed a ton of free throws, turned the ball over too much, and let the Cavs crush them on the offensive glass. There's not much you can do about the free throws, the Celts are a good free throw shooting team, they just had a bad game, you hope it evens out and they have a good night from the line in game 7.
The turnovers and offensive rebounding, however, can be addressed. Those are issues of focus and attention to detail. Guys need to box out, they know the Cavs are looking to hit the offensive glass, they can't leave Thompson and Nance without a body on them. All five guys need to look to rebound on the defensive end.
With respect to turnovers, I have seen two issues. First, lazy passes that lead to fast breaks. This is inexcusable in the playoffs. They know the Cavs are looking to attack passing lanes, they need to avoid the careless passes. Two, trying to do too much. A lot of turnovers occur when a guy tries to make a really difficult pass. Unless you are an elite passer, you should just attempt good passes. Good ball movement forces the defense to react and move and will result in good shots, no need to thread the needle. They also need to avoid hero ball, I know Jaylen and Jayson can take a lot of the Cavs one on one, but they need to avoid trying to do it all. Even Korver can defend Brown if he charges right at him at then tries a circus shot.
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The officials for tonight's Game 7 matchup between the #Celtics and #Cavs will be Marc Davis, James Capers and Zach Zarba with Kane Fitzgerald as the alternate.
This to me seems good.
Favorites are 9-1 in the playoffs in games reffed by Davis.
We’re the favorite.