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Title: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Celtics978Fan on May 20, 2018, 07:56:58 PM
I'm a big fan of Irving but with Rozier and Smart seeming to be a good one two combo at the point guard, can we trade Irving?  If you're the Suns you're wanting a star to build around and Irving could be that player.  I know this is a crazy trade idea but was something on my mind. 

Celtics trade
Kyrie Irving
Nader
Clippers or Grizzlies 1st next year

Suns trade
1st 2018 pick

Suns get the all star player to put next to Booker and Jackson.  Celtics we can draft Deandre Ayton to give us the center we're needing.  By doing this it gives us the money to keep both Smart and Rozier long term.  Keeping the 27th pick we'd be able to draft someone like Grayson Allen.  I say him because I think him and Smart would frustrate teams with the second unit. 

We'd probably have to take a player back for money reasons but if we don't have to I'd rather us not have to.  Just a knew thought I hadn't seen on the board about trading Irving for a pick this year. 
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: The One on May 20, 2018, 08:04:52 PM
No thanks...I’ll keep a healthy Irving here...thank you.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 20, 2018, 08:21:07 PM
I'd get a kick out of Grayson Allen in Green.

He'd be quite the trip.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Celtics978Fan on May 20, 2018, 10:08:36 PM
No thanks...I’ll keep a healthy Irving here...thank you.

I'd love a healthy Irving, but this is multiple knee surgeries.  Personally I rather keep Irving but it's more just an interesting thought.  Specially cause we keep both Smart and Rozier, plus get younger..
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Celtics978Fan on May 20, 2018, 10:09:48 PM
I'd get a kick out of Grayson Allen in Green.

He'd be quite the trip.

I think he'd be a good fit with us.  Specially the second unit with Smart, Allen and Morris.  They'd get under a lot of people's skin.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Beat LA on May 20, 2018, 10:17:14 PM
I'd get a kick out of Grayson Allen in Green.

He'd be quite the trip.

Lol, TP ;D.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Vermont Green on May 20, 2018, 10:44:39 PM
How about a 3-way (that is equally unlikely as the original proposed trade)

To PHO:     Irving ($20M)
To BOS:     Towns ($7.8M) , Chandler ($13.5M)
To Minn:    #1 Pick ($6,7M), a future pick (maybe Clippers)

Filling in around this to be sure the salaries work (throw in Nader somewhere if you want).  I don't think this is likely but I do think this is fair if the Celtics were to go in this direction (trading Irving).

Smart
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Towns

Rozier
Tatum
Morris
Chandler
Yabusele
Ojeleye

That is a pretty good team.  Maybe not as good as a team with Irving in the first year but this team is young and durable.  We would probably add some bench wings (easy enough to find).

Did I mention that this is hypothetical and I don't think the Celtics are going to trade Irving but it is more likely that they trade him for a player that can contribute immediately over a draft pick.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: konkmv on May 21, 2018, 12:12:30 AM
Irwing has more value than 2 towns...
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Jvalin on May 21, 2018, 06:14:00 AM
We'd probably have to take a player back for money reasons but if we don't have to I'd rather us not have to.
The Suns don't have enough cap space to absorb Kyrie's contract unless they waive Elfrid and stash their #16 pick. Why would they do that, considering they 'd already be trading away the #1 pick? Adding Nader to the trade, would only make the situation worse.

It's only logical to assume that the Suns would want to offload Brandon Knight. Problem is, Knight is on a horrible contract till 2020.

Anyway, imo the Suns would never do the trade. Kyrie is gonna opt out next summer. Chances are he won't re-sign with them. Basically, it seems like they would be trading the #1 pick for a 1-year rental of Kyrie. Not to mention, the fit wouldn't be great either. Kyrie-Booker would be one of the worst defensive backcourts in the league (if not the worst).


Just a knew thought I hadn't seen on the board about trading Irving for a pick this year.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=96373.0
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Celtics4ever on May 21, 2018, 06:54:34 AM
Quote
Smart
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Towns

Rozier
Tatum
Morris
Chandler
Yabusele
Ojeleye

You really think Smart would start ahead of Rozier after this post season.   Do you get the games where you live?

I am in the crowd that we are not trading Irving.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Birdman on May 21, 2018, 07:00:47 AM
I trade irving to minny for towns for sure...but towns not going anywhere..
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Jvalin on May 21, 2018, 07:25:19 AM
I trade irving to minny for towns for sure...but towns not going anywhere..
That would be a no brainer for the C's.

- Three years younger.
- One of the most durable players around the league. Has never missed a game (82/82 three seasons in a row).

But yeah, good luck trying to convince the Wolves to trade KAT. :P
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Androslav on May 21, 2018, 07:27:52 AM
Kyrie says: "I won't resign."
and everybody hangs up the phone.

Remember the last summer.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Vermont Green on May 21, 2018, 07:39:37 AM
Quote
Smart
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Towns

Rozier
Tatum
Morris
Chandler
Yabusele
Ojeleye

You really think Smart would start ahead of Rozier after this post season.   Do you get the games where you live?

I am in the crowd that we are not trading Irving.

As I was typing this, I was wondering who would be the one who would completely miss the point of my post and nit pick an insignificant detail.  (Main point being that in the highly unlikely event that Irving is traded, it is much more likely he is traded for a player over a draft pick).  I expected the Smart thing or maybe "I can't believe you would start Hayward over Tatum".

Smart seems to like to come off the bench, I think he actually lobbies for it (or has in the past).  But that team would have so much scoring with Brown, Hayward, Horford, Towns, yes, I would want to Smart on the floor with that group as much as possible as he would bring more of what that group would need.  He would be the glue guy for that group.  If you want to start Rozier, that is fine, does not change things all that much.  It is a really good group either way.

So your snarky comment about whether they show the games where I live is pretty condescending if you were wondering.  See I could say something like, do they teach reading where you grew up because it doesn't appear as though you read my post.  Or, do you watch the games or just read the box scores because you don't value Smart's intangibles.  Condescending is not a good look on here though (or anywhere).  Just something to think about. 
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Sophomore on May 21, 2018, 08:19:04 AM
How about a 3-way (that is equally unlikely as the original proposed trade)

To PHO:     Irving ($20M)
To BOS:     Towns ($7.8M) , Chandler ($13.5M)
To Minn:    #1 Pick ($6,7M), a future pick (maybe Clippers)

Filling in around this to be sure the salaries work (throw in Nader somewhere if you want).  I don't think this is likely but I do think this is fair if the Celtics were to go in this direction (trading Irving).

Smart
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Towns

Rozier
Tatum
Morris
Chandler
Yabusele
Ojeleye

That is a pretty good team.  Maybe not as good as a team with Irving in the first year but this team is young and durable.  We would probably add some bench wings (easy enough to find).

Did I mention that this is hypothetical and I don't think the Celtics are going to trade Irving but it is more likely that they trade him for a player that can contribute immediately over a draft pick.

Why does Minnie do this deal? The ceiling with the 1 pick is probably a player about the caliber of Towns.

If the Cs did this deal, where is Theis in the lineup?
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Vermont Green on May 21, 2018, 08:44:42 AM
How about a 3-way (that is equally unlikely as the original proposed trade)

To PHO:     Irving ($20M)
To BOS:     Towns ($7.8M) , Chandler ($13.5M)
To Minn:    #1 Pick ($6,7M), a future pick (maybe Clippers)

Filling in around this to be sure the salaries work (throw in Nader somewhere if you want).  I don't think this is likely but I do think this is fair if the Celtics were to go in this direction (trading Irving).

Smart
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Towns

Rozier
Tatum
Morris
Chandler
Yabusele
Ojeleye

That is a pretty good team.  Maybe not as good as a team with Irving in the first year but this team is young and durable.  We would probably add some bench wings (easy enough to find).

Did I mention that this is hypothetical and I don't think the Celtics are going to trade Irving but it is more likely that they trade him for a player that can contribute immediately over a draft pick.

Why does Minnie do this deal? The ceiling with the 1 pick is probably a player about the caliber of Towns.

If the Cs did this deal, where is Theis in the lineup?


I am not sure Minny would do this deal but the rumor was that he could be available.  In terms of value, I have the #1 pick from PHO plus another pick from us going to them.  I suggested the Clippers pick but we have some others we could offer.  In the unlikely event that they are actually looking to move on from Towns, I think this is fair return.  In terms of Theis, sure, I guess he is on the bench also as he is on a two year deal.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Fafnir on May 21, 2018, 09:02:05 AM
Irving wouldn't extend with the Suns and as such they refused to put Josh Jackson in the trade. They extension issue remains and they have a better pick that they wouldn't include.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: BringToughnessBack on May 21, 2018, 09:14:17 AM
One thing for sure is that neither Ayton or Towns would be able to go head to head vs Durant/Curry in the finals. Without proven superstars, good luck winning multiple titles.

There is zero chance I would trade Kyrie for anything not named Davis.

Brown and Tatum will get to be the players we can depend on nightly but they are not there yet.

Strange these threads are popping up during playoffs when we are in the ECF- Feels like trolls are popping up to me.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Moranis on May 21, 2018, 09:16:40 AM
As I've said in one of the other threads on here, the Suns wouldn't even include Josh Jackson in a trade with the Cavs for Irving last summer (and it isn't like the rest of that trade was a killer , it was basically Bledsoe, Bender, and Jackson for Irving and the Suns wouldn't do that).  There is no way they are trading the #1 pick for Irving with a year less on his contract and coming off of surgery to his knee. 
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: wdleehi on May 21, 2018, 10:35:35 AM
No.   Irving is needed on this team.   His offensive experience is needed on the road when the Celtics go into those slumps.


Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: The One on May 21, 2018, 04:00:30 PM
No.   Irving is needed on this team.   His offensive experience is needed on the road when the Celtics go into those slumps.

Yup.

Kyrie over 52 career playoff games is 47% from the field, 42% from 3pt land, and 88% from the stripe for an average of 24ppg.

And he doesn't turn 27 until March.  And next year he will be 100%, or close, physically.

Let's keep him.

Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: PhoSita on May 21, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
Staahhhhhp.

Just stop.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: flybono on May 22, 2018, 08:47:23 PM
Insulting others, even in attempt at humor is not allowed.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: MaxAMillion on May 27, 2018, 04:54:38 PM
No.   Irving is needed on this team.   His offensive experience is needed on the road when the Celtics go into those slumps.

Yup.

Kyrie over 52 career playoff games is 47% from the field, 42% from 3pt land, and 88% from the stripe for an average of 24ppg.

And he doesn't turn 27 until March.  And next year he will be 100%, or close, physically.

Let's keep him.

You have no way of knowing if he will be 100%. The guy has suffered injuries in the past. KAT is certainly less injury prone than Irving.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: Ogaju on May 27, 2018, 05:59:14 PM
Quote
Smart
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Towns

Rozier
Tatum
Morris
Chandler
Yabusele
Ojeleye

You really think Smart would start ahead of Rozier after this post season.   Do you get the games where you live?

I am in the crowd that we are not trading Irving.


So your snarky comment about whether they show the games where I live is pretty condescending if you were wondering.  See I could say something like, do they teach reading where you grew up because it doesn't appear as though you read my post.  Or, do you watch the games or just read the box scores because you don't value Smart's intangibles.  Condescending is not a good look on here though (or anywhere).  Just something to think about.

Seems like you said it anyway. You guys’ exchange gave me a chuckle.

Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: liam on May 27, 2018, 06:31:29 PM
I don't think anyone is trading for Irving coming off an injury in the last year of his contract but I said the same thing last year about IT, so what do I know.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: SHAQATTACK on May 27, 2018, 06:32:36 PM
omg .....this is the greatest idea Ev errrrr






















NOT  :-X
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: azzenfrost on May 27, 2018, 07:11:15 PM
That's a hard No for me.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: perks-a-beast on May 27, 2018, 07:15:12 PM
is there any way we can trade a 1st round pick for phoenix's medical staff in order to keep kyrie healthy?
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: testy on June 04, 2018, 09:39:51 PM
I like this trade, might have to add Chandler to make money work though. Celts cannot add another big man like Ad or Towns and still stay under the cap over the next few years. I dont mind trading Irving ,not only his injuries but he also is a head case.
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: CelticSince83 on June 04, 2018, 10:28:41 PM
Can Rozier eclipse 41% shooting before entertaining a Kyrie trade? 

Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: gouki88 on June 04, 2018, 10:47:55 PM
Can Rozier eclipse 41% shooting before entertaining a Kyrie trade?
Would be nice wouldn’t it?
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: CelticSince83 on June 04, 2018, 11:09:20 PM
Can Rozier eclipse 41% shooting before entertaining a Kyrie trade?
Would be nice wouldn’t it?

Ha, ya.  His playoff performance was nearly identical to his regular season- just more minutes and usage.  Yet somehow the narrative is that in one month he went from an at times infuriating back-up to a guy you need to carve out minutes for by trading a 26 year-old All Star. 
Title: Re: Trade Idea - Irving to the Suns
Post by: gouki88 on June 04, 2018, 11:44:24 PM
Can Rozier eclipse 41% shooting before entertaining a Kyrie trade?
Would be nice wouldn’t it?

Ha, ya.  His playoff performance was nearly identical to his regular season- just more minutes and usage.  Yet somehow the narrative is that in one month he went from an at times infuriating back-up to a guy you need to carve out minutes for by trading a 26 year-old All Star.
Yeah, hilarious.
PTS   REB   AST   STL   TOV   FG%   3PFG%   FT%
15.7   6.5    4.0    1.4    1.4   .395    .381       .772
16.2   5.2    5.6    1.2    1.1   .406    .347       .821

His per-minute performance is almost identical. He passed a bit better in the playoffs, but shot much worse from 3, and was the same guy on defence. Kyrie is night and day better than him