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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticsElite on May 17, 2018, 12:02:51 AM
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I'm not advocating trading kyrie. I actually really like him and am leaning toward keeping him... Just want to know what the market is for kyrie... He has 1 year left.
Maybe porzingis? Or a lotto pick? Porzingis seems like a gamble now after the acl surgery
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I actually thought about Porzingis recently. Havent seen it floated yet though. Should make a good discussion. TP.
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Porzingis might not play next season depending on recovery...
Plus he’ll be RFA in 2019 too.
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Porzingis might not play next season depending on recovery...
Plus he’ll be RFA in 2019 too.
saw that plus his defense is questionable
I like kyrie better anyways
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Can we please stop these ridiculous ideas of trading our best player, simply because his back up is playing well. Kyrie is an elite player. I love what Rozier has provided in Kyrie's absence, but he is not close to Irving's level.
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Can we please stop these ridiculous ideas of trading our best player, simply because his back up is playing well. Kyrie is an elite player. I love what Rozier has provided in Kyrie's absence, but he is not close to Irving's level.
I second this. And I appreciate very much that the OP is leaning toward keeping him.
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Can we please stop these ridiculous ideas of trading our best player, simply because his back up is playing well. Kyrie is an elite player. I love what Rozier has provided in Kyrie's absence, but he is not close to Irving's level.
Just debating
No big deal
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Can we please stop these ridiculous ideas of trading our best player, simply because his back up is playing well. Kyrie is an elite player. I love what Rozier has provided in Kyrie's absence, but he is not close to Irving's level.
I second this. And I appreciate very much that the OP is leaning toward keeping him.
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Can we please stop these ridiculous ideas of trading our best player, simply because his back up is playing well. Kyrie is an elite player. I love what Rozier has provided in Kyrie's absence, but he is not close to Irving's level.
I second this. And I appreciate very much that the OP is leaning toward keeping him.
I want to keep him also
I think the OP is thinking what if this team can pull it off and win it all. Aftermath
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Can we please stop these ridiculous ideas of trading our best player, simply because his back up is playing well. Kyrie is an elite player. I love what Rozier has provided in Kyrie's absence, but he is not close to Irving's level.
I second this. And I appreciate very much that the OP is leaning toward keeping him.
I want to keep him also
I think the OP is thinking what if this team can pull it off and win it all. Aftermath
exactly. And due diligence. Checking value for the sake of knowing. Kyrie is one of.my favorite players and I hope we keep him but always nice to know what we can get.
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Phoenix showed a lot of interested in Kyrie last summer, if you're Ainge maybe you make the call to your former team about that #1 overall?
NOT.
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As Zach Lowe mentioned in his podcast with Bill Simmons, they may have to think about trading Kyrie a few years down the line, when Tatum and Brown are up for extensions. Perhaps this is a more realistic hypothetical - what Kyrie in a few years will fetch, in that market.
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Someone on a facebook forum wanted the Celtics to trade Kyrie to Orlando for the #6 and Bismack Biyombo and all I could do was laugh.
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I don't believe Kyrie's value is very high for a couple of reasons. Durability concerns are an obvious worry for any franchise. Then there's also the fact he might kill any trade by telling teams he wont resign with them after next season.
Either way I doubt the Celtics realistically consider moving Kyrie. A lot of people are getting caught up in the fact that he isn't a two-way player. The flip side of this argument is that he possesses an elite offensive skill set this is rare in the NBA. His individual performances in the past two NBA finals have been impressive to say the least. Imagine Kyrie on the biggest stage surrounded by a team full of athletic two-way players?
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Someone on a facebook forum wanted the Celtics to trade Kyrie to Orlando for the #6 and Bismack Biyombo and all I could do was laugh.
... an Orlando an I presume (hope?)
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maybe we could bring AB, crowder and IT back. oh and Olynyk too.
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Maybe we let him get us a couple of rings first.
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Phoenix showed a lot of interested in Kyrie last summer, if you're Ainge maybe you make the call to your former team about that #1 overall?
NOT.
I know this is all hypothetical but this may not be completely out of the realm. I think any trade for Kyrie is extremely unlikely, but of all the unlikely options, Kyrie to PHO for Chandler and #1 at least is somewhat realistic. Kyrie was interested in them and for them to have a core of Kyrie, Warren, Booker, Chriss, Bender, is not all that bad. Tough for them to compete in the west in the short term and I don't expect this is likely but we are talking about Trader Dan here.
I don't think we are going to trade Kyrie or Hayward in the short term. Medium to longer term, who knows.
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Phoenix showed a lot of interested in Kyrie last summer, if you're Ainge maybe you make the call to your former team about that #1 overall?
NOT.
I know this is all hypothetical but this may not be completely out of the realm. I think any trade for Kyrie is extremely unlikely, but of all the unlikely options, Kyrie to PHO for Chandler and #1 at least is somewhat realistic. Kyrie was interested in them and for them to have a core of Kyrie, Warren, Booker, Chriss, Bender, is not all that bad. Tough for them to compete in the west in the short term and I don't expect this is likely but we are talking about Trader Dan here.
I don't think we are going to trade Kyrie or Hayward in the short term. Medium to longer term, who knows.
Thing is that that team is never getting anywhere. 3 poor defenders at the 1, 2 and 3, Chriss is a no-show half the time and Bender is still a kid. That team wouldn't make playoffs probably
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Yeah lets trade our best player. Great idea Unfortunately Rozier is the odd man out. I feel the conversation after the season will be Ainge asking Rozier if he would be happy playing a big role off the bench for this team playing for championships or if he wants to go to a team and become a starter. We know Rozier's answer will be to be a starter and he will get traded. Smart will be resigned and Danny will move up in the draft for a player with the same skill set as Rozier to develop over the next 3 years like they did with Rozier. I would love everyone to return but it's not possible. With Hayward and Kyrie coming back the only path to playing time will be for a big.
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DA probably has drooled over Irving since day one . Irving is a good guy and fits CBS personality of characters .
he is keeping his Ferrari.
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Yeah lets trade our best player. Great idea Unfortunately Rozier is the odd man out. I feel the conversation after the season will be Ainge asking Rozier if he would be happy playing a big role off the bench for this team playing for championships or if he wants to go to a team and become a starter. We know Rozier's answer will be to be a starter and he will get traded. Smart will be resigned and Danny will move up in the draft for a player with the same skill set as Rozier to develop over the next 3 years like they did with Rozier. I would love everyone to return but it's not possible. With Hayward and Kyrie coming back the only path to playing time will be for a big.
Sign and trade scenarios are still in play when Rozier becomes a restricted free agent. I wouldn't be surprised if he was okay playing 20-25 minutes off the bench for one more season. Next year has the potential to be the best team Rozier will ever play for. His value on the free agent market is already cemented by this current playoff run.
As for Ainge, I agree that he will look at every possible trade scenario for Rozier.
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Given he's on an expiring contract, a low lottery pick or prospect and another pick future pick. No way would the Knicks or anyone else would give up a higher level guys like Porzingis.
Not worth exploring his value given the circumstances and the scant return. (unless he says he's leaving)
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Given he's on an expiring contract, a low lottery pick or prospect and another pick future pick. No way would the Knicks or anyone else would give up a higher level guys like Porzingis.
Not worth exploring his value given the circumstances and the scant return. (unless he says he's leaving)
Any trade discussed in this context would necessitate the player demand a trade. That's a given.
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Trading Kyrie worked out so well for Cleveland.....
He's our best player. Trading him makes no sense unless he adamantly doesn't want to be here next season, and I have no sense of that whatsoever.
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He been injury prone lately..i be hesitated to give him max deal..derrick rose 2.0??
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Phoenix showed a lot of interested in Kyrie last summer, if you're Ainge maybe you make the call to your former team about that #1 overall?
NOT.
I know this is all hypothetical but this may not be completely out of the realm. I think any trade for Kyrie is extremely unlikely, but of all the unlikely options, Kyrie to PHO for Chandler and #1 at least is somewhat realistic. Kyrie was interested in them and for them to have a core of Kyrie, Warren, Booker, Chriss, Bender, is not all that bad. Tough for them to compete in the west in the short term and I don't expect this is likely but we are talking about Trader Dan here.
I don't think we are going to trade Kyrie or Hayward in the short term. Medium to longer term, who knows.
Phoenix wouldn't even include Jackson last summer when Irving had an extra year and wasn't coming off of surgery (had they included Jackson the trade would have been something like Bledsoe, Bender, and Jackson for Irving - they ended up cutting Bledsoe anyway). There is no way, none what so ever, that they include the #1 overall pick this year in a trade for Irving.
I think something like this before the draft Ainge would at least consider. Irving, Yabu, Nader Semi for Beverly, Jordan (he opts in), 12, and 13. With 12 and 13 maybe Boston can then move up to get a player Ainge really likes or he just stands pat and gets some quality young depth like Robert Williams, Collin Sexton, Miles Bridges, or whatever. So in the trade, Boston adds a veteran defensive oriented PG (Smart leaving insurance) and a real interior defender/rebounder, plus some talented young depth. The trade can be done without Beverly and the 3 "filler" contracts, but I think including Beverly makes way more sense for both teams. Again, I'm not sure I would do that, but that is a fairly realistic trade that is probably out there. The Clippers get their "star" and stay relevant, while Boston adds a position of need, gets some solid experience, and upgrades the bench youth.
So post trade - 2 deep rotation
PG - Rozier, Beverly
SG - Brown, Smart
SF - Hayward, Tatum
PF - Horford, Morris
C - Jordan, Baynes/Monroe
Rest of bench - Theis, 12, 13, 27, ?
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We Are Not Trading Kyrie Irving [Full Stop]
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Given the saturation of pg's, there's probably no way the Celtics could get equal value for Kyrie.
But really, the Celtics spent 4 years trading veterans for assets, trying to put together a team that can compete for a championship. Now they have a roster that can compete for a championship and some fans want to... trade veterans for assets? This roster is what they've been working toward. Stop drilling, you already struck oil.
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It's not often you see a fan base strategize a way to replicate the James Harden trade with the hope being OKC in the scenario.....
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Listening to Zolak and Bertrand today....felt like every other caller was suggesting to "Keep Terry, trade Kyrie"
scary terry shirts must be a hit lol
Who came up with that nickname btw?
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It's not often you see a fan base strategize a way to replicate the James Harden trade with the hope being OKC in the scenario.....
Except in this case we keep Durant, Oladipo, Harden, and Ibaka, and send Westbrook out instead for a good 2-way wing and some picks.
I love Kyrie. I think we’ll be great next year with him and Hayward added in. But it’s not hard to see why people think the current team is awfully good and don’t want to mess with it. I still would keep KI, but if he could bring back a big of comparable talent that would do a hell of a lot for our team and provide insurance if next year the hospital bug takes a bite out of Al. We may not be able to afford Baynes next year without going into luxury tax. Who is Al’s backup? Theis is fine, but he’s nowhere close to Al. Monroe? He’ll be out of the league. We are *really* thin at the 4/5. We have two guys who can play PG in the conference finals and other secondary ballhandlers. It’s not stupid to wonder about this.
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Phoenix showed a lot of interested in Kyrie last summer, if you're Ainge maybe you make the call to your former team about that #1 overall?
NOT.
Haha I know. It shows you how good Kyrie is to not trade him for a #1 pick, and this year's draft is supposed to be good. He's a borderline top 10 player. If I'm trading Kyrie, I want a top 9 player.
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Except in this case we keep Durant, Oladipo, Harden, and Ibaka, and send Westbrook out instead for a good 2-way wing and some picks.
Trading Westbrook to Houston for a late lotto pick and filler would have been dumb too. Some of the best deals are the ones you don't make.
FYI - Oladipo arrived in the Ibaka trade.
I love Kyrie. I think we’ll be great next year with him and Hayward added in. But it’s not hard to see why people think the current team is awfully good and don’t want to mess with it. I still would keep KI, but if he could bring back a big of comparable talent that would do a hell of a lot for our team and provide insurance if next year the hospital bug takes a bite out of Al. We may not be able to afford Baynes next year without going into luxury tax. Who is Al’s backup? Theis is fine, but he’s nowhere close to Al. Monroe? He’ll be out of the league. We are *really* thin at the 4/5. We have two guys who can play PG in the conference finals and other secondary ballhandlers. It’s not stupid to wonder about this.
You're arguing in favor of moving the best offensive player on the team for a backup center and some spare draft picks?
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I love Kyrie. I think we’ll be great next year with him and Hayward added in. But it’s not hard to see why people think the current team is awfully good and don’t want to mess with it. I still would keep KI, but if he could bring back a big of comparable talent that would do a hell of a lot for our team and provide insurance if next year the hospital bug takes a bite out of Al. We may not be able to afford Baynes next year without going into luxury tax. Who is Al’s backup? Theis is fine, but he’s nowhere close to Al. Monroe? He’ll be out of the league. We are *really* thin at the 4/5. We have two guys who can play PG in the conference finals and other secondary ballhandlers. It’s not stupid to wonder about this.
You're arguing in favor of moving the best offensive player on the team for a backup center and some spare draft picks?
Personally speaking, I'd be willing to trade Kyrie for Ayton + another asset + salary filler (expiring).
Don't see how the Suns would be interested in such a deal, just saying.
Wouldn't trade with the Kings (assuming Ayton is available at #2) cause we own their pick next year.
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
No thanks. That's a huge overpay for Ayton.
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
No thanks. That's a huge overpay for Ayton.
the thinking is that ayton gives us more than either Kyrie or rozier sitting on the bench. It makes sense. The sac pick is just to make the deal happen since Kyrie is an expiring
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
If nothing else, its refreshing to see a difference of opinion rather than the extreme homerism that is typical of all things Kyrie.
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
No thanks. That's a huge overpay for Ayton.
the thinking is that ayton gives us more than either Kyrie or rozier sitting on the bench. It makes sense. The sac pick is just to make the deal happen since Kyrie is an expiring
I can see Ayton giving us more than Kyrie in the future. Obviously, he wouldn't give us more than Kyrie next year (barring injuries).
Anyway, I don't think the Suns do it either. Kyrie is gonna opt out next summer. Chances are he won't re-sign with them. Basically they trade the #1 pick for the Kings pick (top 1 protected) and a 1-year rental of Kyrie.
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
That is true, but I just can't see any of these as realistic. Seeing Kyrie shoot down any trades by telling teams he simply won't resign with them would be a very real possibility. I'd also like to see Rozier put in a bigger body of efficient work, rather than just a good, and potentially misleading, playoff run.
Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
If nothing else, its refreshing to see a difference of opinion rather than the extreme homerism that is typical of all things Kyrie. His character issues and holes in his game -- defense, not making others better -is exactly what IT was criticized for after he was traded.
It's easier to not get criticised for those things when you're not a 15ppg role player who feuds with teammates
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In the end, it really doesn’t matter what we think. Danny has proved his worth and his trades and draft picks are almost Belichickian. In Danny we trust.
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In the end, it really doesn’t matter what we think. Danny has proved his worth and his trades and draft picks are almost Belichickian. In Danny we trust.
That’s true. Whenever I criticise a move 2 months later I feel like a fool
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Utter nonsense. Ainge isnt' trading our best player.
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Not even for my momma
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
That is true, but I just can't see any of these as realistic. Seeing Kyrie shoot down any trades by telling teams he simply won't resign with them would be a very real possibility. I'd also like to see Rozier put in a bigger body of efficient work, rather than just a good, and potentially misleading, playoff run.
Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
If nothing else, its refreshing to see a difference of opinion rather than the extreme homerism that is typical of all things Kyrie. His character issues and holes in his game -- defense, not making others better -is exactly what IT was criticized for after he was traded.
It's easier to not get criticised for those things when you're not a 15ppg role player who feuds with teammates
A "good, and potentially misleading, playoff run?????????"
You do realize that Rozier has the 7th highest VORP in the NBA playoffs this year, right???
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2018_advanced.html
Smitty77
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
That is true, but I just can't see any of these as realistic. Seeing Kyrie shoot down any trades by telling teams he simply won't resign with them would be a very real possibility. I'd also like to see Rozier put in a bigger body of efficient work, rather than just a good, and potentially misleading, playoff run.
Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
If nothing else, its refreshing to see a difference of opinion rather than the extreme homerism that is typical of all things Kyrie. His character issues and holes in his game -- defense, not making others better -is exactly what IT was criticized for after he was traded.
It's easier to not get criticised for those things when you're not a 15ppg role player who feuds with teammates
A "good, and potentially misleading, playoff run?????????"
You do realize that Rozier has the 7th highest VORP in the NBA playoffs this year, right???
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2018_advanced.html
Smitty77
That doesn't really counter anything I said? During the regular season his VORP was 3rd best on our team, behind Kyrie and Al.
What I'm saying is he needs to perform consistently throughout a season, by improving his passing and not shooting sub 40% from the field and from 3
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Not even for my momma
You just know that Danny would trade his momma, lol #MotherSonRelationshipGoals ;D.
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
No thanks. That's a huge overpay for Ayton.
the thinking is that ayton gives us more than either Kyrie or rozier sitting on the bench. It makes sense. The sac pick is just to make the deal happen since Kyrie is an expiring
I can see Ayton giving us more than Kyrie in the future. Obviously, he wouldn't give us more than Kyrie next year (barring injuries).
Anyway, I don't think the Suns do it either. Kyrie is gonna opt out next summer. Chances are he won't re-sign with them. Basically they trade the #1 pick for the Kings pick (top 1 protected) and a 1-year rental of Kyrie.
The suns are open to trading the pick
McDonough, in an interview on ESPN2's NBA Draft Combine special on Friday, said the Suns haven't ruled out the option of dealing away the No. 1 pick in June's draft for a lower pick or even a worthy veteran.
"I think if you look around the NBA, as far as the veteran players, there are probably a few players we'd consider trading the pick for, not ... just pick for player No. 1. So it'll be a busy month for us."
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
That is true, but I just can't see any of these as realistic. Seeing Kyrie shoot down any trades by telling teams he simply won't resign with them would be a very real possibility. I'd also like to see Rozier put in a bigger body of efficient work, rather than just a good, and potentially misleading, playoff run.
Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
If nothing else, its refreshing to see a difference of opinion rather than the extreme homerism that is typical of all things Kyrie. His character issues and holes in his game -- defense, not making others better -is exactly what IT was criticized for after he was traded.
It's easier to not get criticised for those things when you're not a 15ppg role player who feuds with teammates
A "good, and potentially misleading, playoff run?????????"
You do realize that Rozier has the 7th highest VORP in the NBA playoffs this year, right???
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2018_advanced.html
Smitty77
That doesn't really counter anything I said? During the regular season his VORP was 3rd best on our team, behind Kyrie and Al.
What I'm saying is he needs to perform consistently throughout a season, by improving his passing and not shooting sub 40% from the field and from 3
He is shooting 42.3% overall in the playoffs. Also, he is playing 37 minutes per game in the playoffs and played 25.9 minutes per game in the regular season. His assist/TO ratio was only 2.9 in the regular season, but is up to 4.4 in the playoffs. (Better than any starter in the playoffs except for Ariza who is only averaging 1.3 assists per game!!)
Smitty77
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
That is true, but I just can't see any of these as realistic. Seeing Kyrie shoot down any trades by telling teams he simply won't resign with them would be a very real possibility. I'd also like to see Rozier put in a bigger body of efficient work, rather than just a good, and potentially misleading, playoff run.
Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
If nothing else, its refreshing to see a difference of opinion rather than the extreme homerism that is typical of all things Kyrie. His character issues and holes in his game -- defense, not making others better -is exactly what IT was criticized for after he was traded.
It's easier to not get criticised for those things when you're not a 15ppg role player who feuds with teammates
A "good, and potentially misleading, playoff run?????????"
You do realize that Rozier has the 7th highest VORP in the NBA playoffs this year, right???
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2018_advanced.html
Smitty77
That doesn't really counter anything I said? During the regular season his VORP was 3rd best on our team, behind Kyrie and Al.
What I'm saying is he needs to perform consistently throughout a season, by improving his passing and not shooting sub 40% from the field and from 3
He is shooting 42.3% overall in the playoffs. Also, he is playing 37 minutes per game in the playoffs and played 25.9 minutes per game in the regular season. His assist/TO ratio was only 2.9 in the regular season, but is up to 4.4 in the playoffs. (Better than any starter in the playoffs except for Ariza who is only averaging 1.3 assists per game!!)
Smitty77
Yeah, but that’s only a 14 game sample size vs a healthy season. Can’t really make any definitive statements about that
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
That is true, but I just can't see any of these as realistic. Seeing Kyrie shoot down any trades by telling teams he simply won't resign with them would be a very real possibility. I'd also like to see Rozier put in a bigger body of efficient work, rather than just a good, and potentially misleading, playoff run.
Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
That's a terrible trade.
I was spitballing but the general framework would be Kyrie for Ayton. We have to acknowledge that production per dollar is higher with Rozier than Kyrie. You get more bang for your buck with Terry
If nothing else, its refreshing to see a difference of opinion rather than the extreme homerism that is typical of all things Kyrie. His character issues and holes in his game -- defense, not making others better -is exactly what IT was criticized for after he was traded.
It's easier to not get criticised for those things when you're not a 15ppg role player who feuds with teammates
A "good, and potentially misleading, playoff run?????????"
You do realize that Rozier has the 7th highest VORP in the NBA playoffs this year, right???
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2018_advanced.html
Smitty77
That doesn't really counter anything I said? During the regular season his VORP was 3rd best on our team, behind Kyrie and Al.
What I'm saying is he needs to perform consistently throughout a season, by improving his passing and not shooting sub 40% from the field and from 3
He is shooting 42.3% overall in the playoffs. Also, he is playing 37 minutes per game in the playoffs and played 25.9 minutes per game in the regular season. His assist/TO ratio was only 2.9 in the regular season, but is up to 4.4 in the playoffs. (Better than any starter in the playoffs except for Ariza who is only averaging 1.3 assists per game!!)
Smitty77
Yeah, but that’s only a 14 game sample size vs a healthy season. Can’t really make any definitive statements about that
Combine that with the part of the regular season that he started heating up and you've got almost half a season's worth of games. He's definitely a good starter PG at least and has a couple more seasons to improve.
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Can't get equal or more value for Kyrie. Keep him.
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Personally speaking, I'd be willing to trade Kyrie for Ayton + another asset + salary filler (expiring).
Don't see how the Suns would be interested in such a deal, just saying.
I mean, if Kyrie nets you the #1 overall pick, additional picks, and players, then sure - have that conversation. However, Ayton's going to get played off the floor in the playoffs for the first couple of years if his inability to corral dribble penetration at the level the University of Buffalo presents is any indication. If we're just waiving the white flag on the next several years because of the Warriors then I guess sure, melt down the vets into draft picks and plan for five years out, but I don't think that's where the team is at right now.
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My only gripe with Kyrie is he became a bit of a ball hog at a point when the Celtics started losing, after that great start. That doesn't work with the Celtics. They must have ball distribution and even scoring to be successful. With Rozier, they are back to doing exactly that. So Rozier must be doing something right. Kyrie is watching and absorbing all this. Maybe he's getting the message.
Ainge has some serious decisions to make in the off season. Perhaps whatever happens in the playoffs will be a factor. So far, so good. And the cap situation is always a determining factor.
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I don’t think I’ve seen it mentioned anywhere so I’ll throw out the Kyrie trade that seems obvious. Kyrie straight up for Kawhi Leonard. Brad gets more positionless defenders, actually the best one, and San Antonio gets backcourt scoring they desperately need to go with Lamarcus. Kawhi gets to a bigger market on a competitive team and Kyrie gets to play for Pop and will have to score a lot. Both players are coming off injuries. Seems like a no brainer. And in a couple years after practicing against Kawhi everyday has toughened Tatum up, we can move Kawhi for something.
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What kind of return can trading kyrie get us?
honestly at this point I hope we do trade kyrie. in return for kyrie the fan base gets some intelligence or a kick in the head.
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This thread is another Poster who is delusional
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I agree with the OP, Kyrie being traded is a foregone conclusion at this point.
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My only gripe with Kyrie is he became a bit of a ball hog at a point when the Celtics started losing, after that great start. That doesn't work with the Celtics. They must have ball distribution and even scoring to be successful. With Rozier, they are back to doing exactly that. So Rozier must be doing something right. Kyrie is watching and absorbing all this. Maybe he's getting the message.
Ainge has some serious decisions to make in the off season. Perhaps whatever happens in the playoffs will be a factor. So far, so good. And the cap situation is always a determining factor.
TP for a great post.
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Lol.
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Lol.
But Terry is starting caliber on a championship team!! ::)
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Stahhhp.
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Lol.
But Terry is starting caliber on a championship team!! ::)
He technically can be, but honestly I doubt that team is winning it all. But with Kyrie instead, you definitely can. That's honestly the difference.
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Lol.
But Terry is starting caliber on a championship team!! ::)
He technically can be, but honestly I doubt that team is winning it all. But with Kyrie instead, you definitely can. That's honestly the difference.
Yeah, me too. I love Rozier, but man, Kyrie is one of the most accomplished young stars in the league, next to Davis. Obviously not the same level as transcendent as AD, but he's a:
- 5 time All-Star
- NBA Champion
- All-Star MVP
- All-NBA level PG
- USA representative
- USA Basketball Male Athlete of 2014
That's not a bad list for a 26 year old who has played a considerable portion of his career on absolutely trash Cavs teams
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Yet again, Rozier with another mediocre road playoff game.
Who needs Kyrie though?? ::)
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It’s almost as if DA went for a guy who could create points from nothing whenever he wants for a reason!
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Rozier would be a nice player in Phoenix or Sacramento but in Boston know your role and get back on the bench
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Kyrie is a whopping 2 years older than Embiid. IOW, still a young player who will get even better. A player who might've been 1st team all nba prior to the knee ending his season, and almost certainly was no worse than 2nd team all nba.
Can't discern why anyone wants to trade him, other than the bitter remnants of the IT fan club.
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Very simple. Trade Kyrie and the Sac pick to PHX for their pick, draft Ayton, sign Baynes and Smart and you money left over for scary Terry. All while staying under the cap.
People on this site should stop being so emotionally attached to players.
The reason I fell in love with the Celtics way back when was a growing emotional attachment to their players - all those 'Old Champions' who were counted out in '69 and won anyway. Then the Celtics of the 70's came along and I was completely smitten. They remain my favorite championship group with Cowens being 'The Love of my Basketball Life.'
Emotionally attached ? [dang] right I am.