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Title: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Roy H. on May 07, 2018, 04:10:55 PM
Just stop, people.  Comparisons to Nazi Germany and slavery are way too common, and make people sound stupid.

Here's Wendall Carter's mom, complaining about a free ride to a top-10ish university:

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"When you remove all the bling and the bells and the sneakers and all that," she said, "you've paid for a child to come to your school to do what you wanted them to do for you, for free, and you made a lot of money when he did that, and you've got all these rules in place that say he cannot share in any of that. The only other time when labor does not get paid but yet someone else gets profits and the labor is black and the profit is white, is in slavery.

"To be honest with you," she said, "it's nauseating."

Free education, room and board, at a place that you choose, setting you up to become a millionaire.  That sounds exactly like being ripped from your home, put into chains and subjected to forced labor, rape, and beatings with literally no individual freedoms.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticsElite on May 07, 2018, 04:19:38 PM
I was so jealous of the athletes when I went to college. They get everything for free and very nice things. They had free tutoring, their own computer  lab, their own free cafeteria,  They were FIRST in line to get textbooks at the university bookstore. Literally normal students were not allowed to buy textbooks until after athletes got there's. Then the books would be open to general population students, and of course many popular textbooks would be sold out and we'd   have to overpay somewhere else to get the books. The athletes get hundreds of dollars worth of free Nike premium athletic shoes, clothing and backpacks. They get free room and board as mentioned. Other schools are crazier.... Alabama has a barbershop at the football practice facility for the players free haircuts. This isn't talking under the table money that we all know 5 star athletes get. And of course the free education is priceless

The list of privileges And benefits for being an athlete  is very very long and worth thousands of dollars


Its blasphemous to compare slavery to free attendance to an elite school
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: jambr380 on May 07, 2018, 04:24:25 PM
Terrible comparison, but it's why things will soon change in college basketball. Hopefully the G-League will become a more viable option for players right out of high school so that they can be paid if they want to.

You are totally right, though. Carter chose this path and it's not like he is the only person that has ever had to deal with this set-up. He is lucky that he gets to be drafted in a little over a month and make millions of dollars. The vast majority of college of basketball and football players never get that option despite being a part of an 'industry' that makes universities loads of money.

Why Carter's mom has such a problem and would make such an embarrassing argument is beyond me. I agree with Nazi/Slavery comparisons - they are lazy and disrespectful.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Ed Hollison on May 07, 2018, 04:30:24 PM
I agree with the comment above. It's kind of an inappropriate and hyperbolic thing to say, but the reality is that NCAA athletes of all races are currently being exploited. It's outrageous. They need to be given a share of those revenues, somehow.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: eja117 on May 07, 2018, 04:34:29 PM
The irony is that what she has really bumped into is the effectiveness of trade unions. While I don't agree with everything unions do by any means I do think they've been a huge part of American history when it comes to improving conditions for people.

The NBA players union and NBA negotiated for this. Maybe they will negotiate to change it. He could have been paid to play overseas or maybe in the NBDL. 

It's kinda the exact oppositte of slavery. It's wanting to work and being told you can't because of union rules. But you can work in other places.  Instead he decided to get free coaching from one of the best basketball minds alive. 
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: PhoSita on May 07, 2018, 04:41:50 PM
We can agree it's not as bad as slavery.

We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.

And I think we can agree that, with the backdrop of slavery as a major part of our nation's history, the argument that "But we're providing them room and board and an education" is not super duper persuasive in response to the accusation that there's a collusive effort by the powerful to extract the valuable efforts of the not-powerful without monetary compensation.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: kozlodoev on May 07, 2018, 04:43:36 PM
We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. This is nonsense.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticsElite on May 07, 2018, 04:45:40 PM
I agree with the comment above. It's kind of an inappropriate and hyperbolic thing to say, but the reality is that NCAA athletes of all races are currently being exploited. It's outrageous. They need to be given a share of those revenues, somehow.
no one is being exploited
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Donoghus on May 07, 2018, 04:48:15 PM
No one forced this kid to go to college and play under the NCAA's archaic rules.  He had a choice.  People who were slaves had no choice. 

There is no comparison.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: SHAQATTACK on May 07, 2018, 04:48:40 PM
Just stop, people.  Comparisons to Nazi Germany and slavery are way too common, and make people sound stupid.

Here's Wendall Carter's mom, complaining about a free ride to a top-10ish university:

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"When you remove all the bling and the bells and the sneakers and all that," she said, "you've paid for a child to come to your school to do what you wanted them to do for you, for free, and you made a lot of money when he did that, and you've got all these rules in place that say he cannot share in any of that. The only other time when labor does not get paid but yet someone else gets profits and the labor is black and the profit is white, is in slavery.

"To be honest with you," she said, "it's nauseating."

Free education, room and board, at a place that you choose, setting you up to become a millionaire.  That sounds exactly like being ripped from your home, put into chains and subjected to forced labor, rape, and beatings with literally no individual freedoms.


I wished my 5 years years ..ok ...it took my an extra year  ;D...but I finished the job ...had been paid for by someone else than the blood sweet and tears of my poor parents from a factory town.   

My parents were slaves to their work ,  so i could have a better life.  She is lucky she doesn't have to work 12 jobs to pay for Duke s education fees.

Very LOW class of her.  She could just let her son wait and be drafted under the NBA guidelines and he gets no education.

She sounds very selfish    or maybe she is Larvars Sister.    She wants a cut BEFORE her child becomes an NBA player .   

Its about him getting what most kids would give their right arm to have , a free ride though Duke U.

Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: TheisTheisBaby on May 07, 2018, 04:50:17 PM
Welcome to the wonderful world of Liberal victimhood mentality.  Her son got a chance to ready himself to become a millionaire under one of the best college coaches ever.  How many kids that aren't all-Americans hyped up by Youtube highlights that are good enough to play D-1 get the same free publicity?  This argument is hands down one of the 5 dumbest arguments in modern society.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Celtics4ever on May 07, 2018, 05:00:55 PM
It's a silly statement.   I am sure this is in context of student athletes not getting paid, though, folks.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: hardlyyardley on May 07, 2018, 05:13:12 PM
I remember Carter was strongly considering Harvard...he should have gone there on an academic ride and graduated in 4 years and she wouldn't  have had anything to complain about
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on May 07, 2018, 05:20:00 PM
Why are these random people interviewed?  Is there any one outside of immediate family that cares what Wendell Carter's (never seen him play) mom thinks about the NCAA and slavery?
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticsElite on May 07, 2018, 05:23:43 PM
We can agree it's not as bad as slavery.

We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.

And I think we can agree that, with the backdrop of slavery as a major part of our nation's history, the argument that "But we're providing them room and board and an education" is not super duper persuasive in response to the accusation that there's a collusive effort by the powerful to extract the valuable efforts of the not-powerful without monetary compensation.

1. the NCAA is not "owned and operated by white people." even if it were, That doesn't mean it is a racist organization and it doesn't validate some ridiculous slavery analogy... Especially when one includes the Irish slave trade where white Irish men were brought to America for slavery

2.   overwhelming majority of the $1.06 billion of annual revenue was  distributed back to member organizations and institutions across the United States in support of their nearly half-million student athlete. The organization doesn't exist to make money for itself. Its a non profit organization
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: PhoSita on May 07, 2018, 05:39:26 PM
We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. This is nonsense.

If you want to play basketball in the NCAA, which generates billions in revenue every year, you have to play for free.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: PhoSita on May 07, 2018, 05:40:50 PM
The organization doesn't exist to make money for itself. Its a non profit organization

Just like private colleges are non-profit. 

Please imagine me saying "non-profit" with as much sarcasm as possible.

I'm sure the administrators, coaches, and trustees of these non-profit institutions spend a great deal of time in reflection on their lives of service to non-profit education every time they look at the multi-million dollar balance in their bank accounts.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: GreenEnvy on May 07, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
This is even dumber than what Kanye said.

These athletes have a choice in what they do after high school. First of all, not all Duke players go on to play in the NBA, so many rely on that free education when they are done playing. For those that can make the League, they donít have to go to Duke or any other NCAA program. They can go to the G-League, overseas, or sit at home and wait a year.

They are compensated (maybe not to the extent the NCAA profits off them, but thatís a whole other story that is way over Carterís momís head) for their basketball talent. Look up what a college education costs, especially from an elite university like Duke. Iíd guesstimate total cost is probably over $200,000, so in essence 18-22 year olds are receiving $50K+/year compensation.

Thatís hardly slavery.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Donoghus on May 07, 2018, 05:52:46 PM
We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. This is nonsense.

If you want to play basketball in the NCAA, which generates billions in revenue every year, you have to play for free.

You also have the choice to not play for an NCAA school.   You are making the conscious choice to play for free. There are alternatives out there.

If you're NBA talent, you'll be recognized as NBA talent once way or another.  It's up to you if you want to showcase that in the NCAA for free or to try & get by for a year getting paid in the G League or overseas.

But the choice is there.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Erik on May 07, 2018, 06:03:28 PM
I was completely expecting to read this thread and rage quit my browser as usual, but what can I say... You guys really nailed it. This isnít the first time Iíve heard this comparison and itís usually followed by support. Itís a FREE education... to Duke. I know that he wonít complete it, but some people do... and that **** isnít cheap. We have an entire generation in actual slavery working 15 years to pay off their student loans (not even starting on a home yet) and this woman has the nerve to complain about the system? Get the hell out of here with that.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Big333223 on May 07, 2018, 06:24:47 PM
We can agree it's not as bad as slavery.

We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.

And I think we can agree that, with the backdrop of slavery as a major part of our nation's history, the argument that "But we're providing them room and board and an education" is not super duper persuasive in response to the accusation that there's a collusive effort by the powerful to extract the valuable efforts of the not-powerful without monetary compensation.

TP

It's not the same thing as slavery but these kids are definitely being exploited.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Roy H. on May 07, 2018, 08:13:20 PM
We can agree it's not as bad as slavery.

We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.

And I think we can agree that, with the backdrop of slavery as a major part of our nation's history, the argument that "But we're providing them room and board and an education" is not super duper persuasive in response to the accusation that there's a collusive effort by the powerful to extract the valuable efforts of the not-powerful without monetary compensation.

TP

It's not the same thing as slavery but these kids are definitely being exploited.

Making money off somebody elseís labor doesnít necessarily mean exploitation.  If you are in a capatilistic society, somebody will always be making more money off of your labor than you do.

Itís more of a barter system: a $200,000+ education, celebrity, girls, preferential treatment and a launching pad to the NBA in return for playing basketball.  If you want to get paid, there are several options: D-League, Europe, China. Heck, band together and start your own post-grad circuit.

You donít get to go to college, reap the benefits, and then equate yourself with plantation slaves.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: tenn_smoothie on May 07, 2018, 08:20:42 PM
Just stop, people.  Comparisons to Nazi Germany and slavery are way too common, and make people sound stupid.

Here's Wendall Carter's mom, complaining about a free ride to a top-10ish university:

Quote
"When you remove all the bling and the bells and the sneakers and all that," she said, "you've paid for a child to come to your school to do what you wanted them to do for you, for free, and you made a lot of money when he did that, and you've got all these rules in place that say he cannot share in any of that. The only other time when labor does not get paid but yet someone else gets profits and the labor is black and the profit is white, is in slavery.

"To be honest with you," she said, "it's nauseating."

Free education, room and board, at a place that you choose, setting you up to become a millionaire.  That sounds exactly like being ripped from your home, put into chains and subjected to forced labor, rape, and beatings with literally no individual freedoms.

Wake Up !!!!  This mentality is the norm in America these days - thank you to the liberal left for creating and then ingraining this type of thinking and black America for accepting it.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: PhoSita on May 07, 2018, 08:23:02 PM
We can agree it's not as bad as slavery.

We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.

And I think we can agree that, with the backdrop of slavery as a major part of our nation's history, the argument that "But we're providing them room and board and an education" is not super duper persuasive in response to the accusation that there's a collusive effort by the powerful to extract the valuable efforts of the not-powerful without monetary compensation.

TP

It's not the same thing as slavery but these kids are definitely being exploited.

Making money off somebody elseís labor doesnít necessarily mean exploitation.  If you are in a capatilistic society, somebody will always be making more money off of your labor than you do.

Itís more of a barter system: a $200,000+ education, celebrity, girls, preferential treatment and a launching pad to the NBA in return for playing basketball.  If you want to get paid, there are several options: D-League, Europe, China. Heck, band together and start your own post-grad circuit.

You donít get to go to college, reap the benefits, and then equate yourself with plantation slaves.

Funny that you mention capitalism.

I think technically it's collusive monopolistic behavior to artificially limit the market for a certain type of services.  Sort of the opposite of how free market capitalism is supposed to work.

I'm not an antitrust expert so I might not be using the terms 100% correctly but I think that's the basic idea of what's going on here.

The NBA, like all American sports leagues, works on a similar principal, of course, but at least it's collectively bargained.


If the G-League provided a legitimate alternative then there might be a discussion here about the NCAA being a "fair trade" of earning capacity for an opportunity to get an education and a social experience etc. etc., but that's a flimsy argument when you look at the practical reality of it. 

If you're a high schooler in North America with hopes of making it to the NBA, your only realistic option is to play at a Division 1 NCAA basketball program and get on the radar of NBA scouts.  You may get a free or subsidized education out of it, but you won't have the choice of making any money from your 1-4 years playing in the NCAA, regardless of how much money you help the NCAA make.  Your ability to make money is not tied in any way to the actual real world value of your ability to play in college, and that's a result of all the Division 1 NCAA programs agreeing not to pay the players anything.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticsElite on May 07, 2018, 08:33:04 PM
We can agree it's not as bad as slavery.

We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.

And I think we can agree that, with the backdrop of slavery as a major part of our nation's history, the argument that "But we're providing them room and board and an education" is not super duper persuasive in response to the accusation that there's a collusive effort by the powerful to extract the valuable efforts of the not-powerful without monetary compensation.

TP

It's not the same thing as slavery but these kids are definitely being exploited.

Making money off somebody elseís labor doesnít necessarily mean exploitation.  If you are in a capatilistic society, somebody will always be making more money off of your labor than you do.

Itís more of a barter system: a $200,000+ education, celebrity, girls, preferential treatment and a launching pad to the NBA in return for playing basketball.  If you want to get paid, there are several options: D-League, Europe, China. Heck, band together and start your own post-grad circuit.

You donít get to go to college, reap the benefits, and then equate yourself with plantation slaves.

Funny that you mention capitalism.

I think technically it's collusive monopolistic behavior to artificially limit the market for a certain type of services.  Sort of the opposite of how free market capitalism is supposed to work.

I'm not an antitrust expert so I might not be using the terms 100% correctly but I think that's the basic idea of what's going on here.

The NBA, like all American sports leagues, works on a similar principal, of course, but at least it's collectively bargained.


If the G-League provided a legitimate alternative then there might be a discussion here about the NCAA being a "fair trade" of earning capacity for an opportunity to get an education and a social experience etc. etc., but that's a flimsy argument when you look at the practical reality of it. 

If you're a high schooler in North America with hopes of making it to the NBA, your only realistic option is to play at a Division 1 NCAA basketball program and get on the radar of NBA scouts.  You may get a free or subsidized education out of it, but you won't have the choice of making any money from your 1-4 years playing in the NCAA, regardless of how much money you help the NCAA make.  Your ability to make money is not tied in any way to the actual real world value of your ability to play in college, and that's a result of all the Division 1 NCAA programs agreeing not to pay the players anything.
"If you're a high schooler in North America with hopes of making it to the NBA, your only realistic option is to play at a Division 1 NCAA basketball program"


The age limit for nba is being lowered to 18 in a year. So that's wrong you don't need to play d1.

Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: KGs Knee on May 07, 2018, 08:34:04 PM
Well, Carter's mother just made sure the rest of the world is aware of how stupid she is.

I don't think that the benefits the top college players receive is at all commensurate with the revenue they help generate for these schools, but comparing a flawed but voluntary system to slavery is the height of idiocy.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Big333223 on May 07, 2018, 08:34:11 PM
We can agree it's not as bad as slavery.

We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.

And I think we can agree that, with the backdrop of slavery as a major part of our nation's history, the argument that "But we're providing them room and board and an education" is not super duper persuasive in response to the accusation that there's a collusive effort by the powerful to extract the valuable efforts of the not-powerful without monetary compensation.

TP

It's not the same thing as slavery but these kids are definitely being exploited.

Making money off somebody elseís labor doesnít necessarily mean exploitation. If you are in a capatilistic society, somebody will always be making more money off of your labor than you do.

Itís more of a barter system: a $200,000+ education, celebrity, girls, preferential treatment and a launching pad to the NBA in return for playing basketball.  If you want to get paid, there are several options: D-League, Europe, China. Heck, band together and start your own post-grad circuit.

You donít get to go to college, reap the benefits, and then equate yourself with plantation slaves.

I never said it did. What the NCAA does by not allowing its player to make money is exploitation.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticsElite on May 07, 2018, 08:37:44 PM
We can agree it's not as bad as slavery.

We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.

And I think we can agree that, with the backdrop of slavery as a major part of our nation's history, the argument that "But we're providing them room and board and an education" is not super duper persuasive in response to the accusation that there's a collusive effort by the powerful to extract the valuable efforts of the not-powerful without monetary compensation.

TP

It's not the same thing as slavery but these kids are definitely being exploited.

Making money off somebody elseís labor doesnít necessarily mean exploitation. If you are in a capatilistic society, somebody will always be making more money off of your labor than you do.

Itís more of a barter system: a $200,000+ education, celebrity, girls, preferential treatment and a launching pad to the NBA in return for playing basketball.  If you want to get paid, there are several options: D-League, Europe, China. Heck, band together and start your own post-grad circuit.

You donít get to go to college, reap the benefits, and then equate yourself with plantation slaves.

I never said it did. What the NCAA does by not allowing its player to make money is exploitation.
the players aren't professionals. They're students playing a children's ball game. They're not employees
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Moranis on May 07, 2018, 08:39:23 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_Baby_Athletic_Association?wprov=sfla1

As with most things South Park has touched on the topic
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: manl_lui on May 07, 2018, 08:58:11 PM
wow, she really said that
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Banner18now! on May 07, 2018, 09:07:30 PM
We can agree it's not as bad as slavery.

We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.

And I think we can agree that, with the backdrop of slavery as a major part of our nation's history, the argument that "But we're providing them room and board and an education" is not super duper persuasive in response to the accusation that there's a collusive effort by the powerful to extract the valuable efforts of the not-powerful without monetary compensation.

1. the NCAA is not "owned and operated by white people." even if it were, That doesn't mean it is a racist organization and it doesn't validate some ridiculous slavery analogy... Especially when one includes the Irish slave trade where white Irish men were brought to America for slavery

2.   overwhelming majority of the $1.06 billion of annual revenue was  distributed back to member organizations and institutions across the United States in support of their nearly half-million student athlete. The organization doesn't exist to make money for itself. Its a non profit organization


The white devil is at it again.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Sophomore on May 07, 2018, 09:28:12 PM
We can agree it's not as bad as slavery.

We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.

And I think we can agree that, with the backdrop of slavery as a major part of our nation's history, the argument that "But we're providing them room and board and an education" is not super duper persuasive in response to the accusation that there's a collusive effort by the powerful to extract the valuable efforts of the not-powerful without monetary compensation.

TP

These athletes have extremely rare and valuable skills. Their work earns universities millions, and a small fraction comes back to them. If you had NBA  lottery talent, I think you would laugh to be told you are lucky to get free room and board. Carter is going to sign a four year deal worth a few million per year - money he might have started earning this year. Instead he earned cash for alma mater and they threw him some loose change.

This year there was a highly rated high school player, who  is going to play year of professional ball in Australia instead of college. Good for him. I hope there are more.

As for these kids getting an education, some get something out of it, others don’t. Some programs care if they go to class, some don’t, but they pretty much all expect the players to perform for what they were given: play in pain, spend as much time as possible on the game. There’s nothing holy going on here. And there is nothing remotely like the spirit of amateurism when it comes to college coaches were administrators – who are paid in the millions of dollars. Where is their school spirit?
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Ogaju on May 07, 2018, 09:28:47 PM
Why are these random people interviewed?  Is there any one outside of immediate family that cares what Wendell Carter's (never seen him play) mom thinks about the NCAA and slavery?

TP...who gave her this platform?
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Ogaju on May 07, 2018, 09:31:22 PM
The organization doesn't exist to make money for itself. Its a non profit organization

Just like private colleges are non-profit. 

Please imagine me saying "non-profit" with as much sarcasm as possible.

I'm sure the administrators, coaches, and trustees of these non-profit institutions spend a great deal of time in reflection on their lives of service to non-profit education every time they look at the multi-million dollar balance in their bank accounts.

lol TP
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: eja117 on May 07, 2018, 09:38:58 PM
We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. This is nonsense.

If you want to play basketball in the NCAA, which generates billions in revenue every year, you have to play for free.
And if you want to be a certified professional accountant.....
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: JSD on May 07, 2018, 10:18:24 PM
To understand a big reason why we have our current President, read the OP. Policy wise, I disagree with Trump almost across the board, but if the line is drawn in the sand, I will stand firmly on the side opposing political correctness and SJW nonsense of emotional sensationalism. This woman literally makes me sick.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Neurotic Guy on May 07, 2018, 10:26:06 PM
I think there is a lot of agreement here about the mother's comments being over the top.  She offers an untenable comparison of her son's situation to slavery.  Most level-headed people would not accept the comparison.  It is annoying to hear blame on "liberals" (or blaming "black America") for the comments of a single individual who none of us know and who (like all of us) is probably more complex a person than could be discerned from one poorly thought through statement.

She is hardly the only person in America who has questioned equity with regard to "compensation" (i.e., tuition and related perks) provided to student-athletes.  While slavery is a disgraceful comparison to her son's situation, equity is something that liberals, moderates and conservatives argue for in many iterations every day in this country.  There is absolutely nothing unamerican or unethical in questioning equity. Truthfully I don't know the answer with regard to whether tuition, room, board and other perks is equitable given the dollars that student-athletes generate for universities.  I am definitely open to listening to both sides and hope that other are able to make their cases without devolving into reckless comparisons or castigating political ideologies.

It would be great if stupid comments were not presumed to reflect an entire ideology as is painted here by some (calling out liberals).  The major political ideologies in America all have respectable premises and values as the basis from which their political views grow.  Much better to listen to one another respectfully and seek to understand than to marginalize and dismiss.  Liberals have not ruined this country... nor have conseratives.  This country has been incredibly successful (generally speaking)  by incorporating and balancing a multitude of perspectives and by coming together whenever we've needed to.  It's actually finding balance throughout the waxing and waning of the world's changing tides  that keeps America "great" -- and attaining that balance in tough times is what we need great leaders for. 


Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Beat LA on May 07, 2018, 10:58:57 PM
I was so jealous of the athletes when I went to college. They get everything for free and very nice things. They had free tutoring, their own computer  lab, their own free cafeteria,  They were FIRST in line to get textbooks at the university bookstore. Literally normal students were not allowed to buy textbooks until after athletes got there's. Then the books would be open to general population students, and of course many popular textbooks would be sold out and we'd   have to overpay somewhere else to get the books. The athletes get hundreds of dollars worth of free Nike premium athletic shoes, clothing and backpacks. They get free room and board as mentioned. Other schools are crazier.... Alabama has a barbershop at the football practice facility for the players free haircuts. This isn't talking under the table money that we all know 5 star athletes get. And of course the free education is priceless

The list of privileges And benefits for being an athlete  is very very long and worth thousands of dollars


Its blasphemous to compare slavery to free attendance to an elite school

Yeah, like they actually used those textbooks lmfa0 ::) ;D.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticsElite on May 07, 2018, 11:13:39 PM
We can also acknowledge that a hugely wealthy entity, predominantly owned and operated by white men, forcing persons -- largely of color -- whose services have significant quantifiable monetary value to exchange those services for something other than money is ... not the greatest optically speaking.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. This is nonsense.

If you want to play basketball in the NCAA, which generates billions in revenue every year, you have to play for free.
how is receiving a  $50,000/yr scholarship considered playing for  "free?"

Yes the money has to go towards tuition because they're students. If they wanted to go professional, have your debate with the NBA which has an age limit.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: tstorey_97 on May 07, 2018, 11:33:04 PM
She has a right to her opinion, but, the use of the term "slavery" is odd.

NCAA athletes are clearly exploited.

The Northwestern football team attempted to achieve certification as a union in 2015/16 and failed. There is far more to the debate than Mrs. Carter's son playing for Duke for free. The NCAA, to my knowledge, does not keep their TV money and use it to enrich their executives or whomever. The organization has a mission to support all student athletes not just ones that play sports on national TV.

The money the linebacker generates with exciting tackles on CBS sports goes to the swim team and the ladies tennis team and the...and the...etc. None of these sports make a dime, but each student athletes deserves the opportunity to participate as part of their education.

I think the Jesuit brotherhood ended University of San Francisco's D1 affiliation over just this issue (Not long after Russell graduated). The NCAA requirements were just too high (required too much money).

It certainly is a system and it is held in place by billions in ad money from TV networks. It is loaded with corruption and payoffs simply because there is tremendous financial reward. So many college's engage in financial support of their top athletes it basically is a "salary to play football". I'm shocked Carter didn't get any cash. The volley ball team didn't sure as hell didn't get any cash, but, part of the court they play in may have been built with TV money.

Those football kids get beat up pretty bad on the field. You blow a knee in the Sugar Bowl and no NFL cash is coming your way.

Anyway, I worked in management for a corporation for years....the wages were slave level, but, I could've walked away whenever I wanted.

 
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: perks-a-beast on May 07, 2018, 11:46:21 PM
She's trying to illustrate that NCAA players are exploited - which I get. But comparing that to one of the worst atrocities in American history is tateless and clearly shows a lack of intelligence and stability.

I agree with Roy - comparisons to things like slavery and nazi Germany are way too common place in today's era, and it's embarrassing to our nations empathy and overall grasp on history.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticSince83 on May 07, 2018, 11:52:18 PM
Interesting times when the best option for 99% of these kids is to volunteer themselves into "slavery."  Meanwhile their peers are paying 40-70k a year and in many instances working at unpaid internships or externships (for companies that generate revenues in excess of the NCAA). 

Not surprising comments from a woman who seems to inject race into the conversation whenever possible. 
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: perks-a-beast on May 07, 2018, 11:54:45 PM
Interesting times when the best option for 99% of these kids is to volunteer themselves into "slavery."  Meanwhile their peers are paying 40-70k a year and in many instances working at unpaid internships or externships (for companies that generate revenues in excess of the NCAA). 

Not surprising comments from a woman who seems to inject race into the conversation whenever possible.


TP. THIS.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Big333223 on May 08, 2018, 11:06:49 AM
Interesting times when the best option for 99% of these kids is to volunteer themselves into "slavery."  Meanwhile their peers are paying 40-70k a year and in many instances working at unpaid internships or externships (for companies that generate revenues in excess of the NCAA). 

Not surprising comments from a woman who seems to inject race into the conversation whenever possible.

What are you basing this on?
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: colincb on May 08, 2018, 11:12:36 AM
Just stop, people.  Comparisons to Nazi Germany and slavery are way too common, and make people sound stupid.

Here's Wendall Carter's mom, complaining about a free ride to a top-10ish university:

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"When you remove all the bling and the bells and the sneakers and all that," she said, "you've paid for a child to come to your school to do what you wanted them to do for you, for free, and you made a lot of money when he did that, and you've got all these rules in place that say he cannot share in any of that. The only other time when labor does not get paid but yet someone else gets profits and the labor is black and the profit is white, is in slavery.

"To be honest with you," she said, "it's nauseating."

Free education, room and board, at a place that you choose, setting you up to become a millionaire.  That sounds exactly like being ripped from your home, put into chains and subjected to forced labor, rape, and beatings with literally no individual freedoms.

This is about the NCAA and your title is misleading.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: gouki88 on May 08, 2018, 11:46:52 AM
Just stop, people.  Comparisons to Nazi Germany and slavery are way too common, and make people sound stupid.

Here's Wendall Carter's mom, complaining about a free ride to a top-10ish university:

Quote
"When you remove all the bling and the bells and the sneakers and all that," she said, "you've paid for a child to come to your school to do what you wanted them to do for you, for free, and you made a lot of money when he did that, and you've got all these rules in place that say he cannot share in any of that. The only other time when labor does not get paid but yet someone else gets profits and the labor is black and the profit is white, is in slavery.

"To be honest with you," she said, "it's nauseating."

Free education, room and board, at a place that you choose, setting you up to become a millionaire.  That sounds exactly like being ripped from your home, put into chains and subjected to forced labor, rape, and beatings with literally no individual freedoms.

This is about the NCAA and your title is misleading.
Not really misleading. What she said was moronic
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Vermont Green on May 08, 2018, 11:53:26 AM
I don't think Ms. Carter's comments are especially representative of the feelings of very many Americans no matter what race or political leaning.  But the problem with today's political atmosphere, Rush Limbaugh for example will take these comments, sell them as what all liberals believe, and use them to rile up a base who just eats these things up.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Roy H. on May 08, 2018, 11:57:21 AM
Just stop, people.  Comparisons to Nazi Germany and slavery are way too common, and make people sound stupid.

Here's Wendall Carter's mom, complaining about a free ride to a top-10ish university:

Quote
"When you remove all the bling and the bells and the sneakers and all that," she said, "you've paid for a child to come to your school to do what you wanted them to do for you, for free, and you made a lot of money when he did that, and you've got all these rules in place that say he cannot share in any of that. The only other time when labor does not get paid but yet someone else gets profits and the labor is black and the profit is white, is in slavery.

"To be honest with you," she said, "it's nauseating."

Free education, room and board, at a place that you choose, setting you up to become a millionaire.  That sounds exactly like being ripped from your home, put into chains and subjected to forced labor, rape, and beatings with literally no individual freedoms.

This is about the NCAA and your title is misleading.

How so? Sheís talking about her son and the school he attended, and comparing his situation to slavery. 

Itís a stupid comparison which shows zero appreciation for what the actual ancestors of many players suffered through. Education / celebrity vs. grueling labor / beatings, murders, rapes / dehumanization.

Theyíre not close in terms of human suffering. Being Big Man On Campus versus the worst human conditions imaginable.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: libermaniac on May 08, 2018, 12:48:37 PM
Don't forget that these athletes would be nothing without the fans (students and alum) paying for tickets.  To me, expecting to be paid is narrow-minded and selfish. The profit from athletics helps to keep tuition costs down.  Obviously these athletes don't care about that.  It's all about me, me, me.  And, any athlete who has the viewpoint probably won't value a free education anyway.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Neurotic Guy on May 08, 2018, 12:53:39 PM
I don't think Ms. Carter's comments are especially representative of the feelings of very many Americans no matter what race or political leaning.  But the problem with today's political atmosphere, Rush Limbaugh for example will take these comments, sell them as what all liberals believe, and use them to rile up a base who just eats these things up.

You made my point more concisely and more effectively than I did earlier.  TP
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Big333223 on May 08, 2018, 01:04:13 PM
Don't forget that these athletes would be nothing without the fans (students and alum) paying for tickets.  To me, expecting to be paid is narrow-minded and selfish. The profit from athletics helps to keep tuition costs down.  Obviously these athletes don't care about that.  It's all about me, me, me.  And, any athlete who has the viewpoint probably won't value a free education anyway.

lol What?

EDIT: Sorry, I'm having trouble figuring out where to begin to respond to something this backwards. Like, it's selfish to expect to be compensated fairly for work performed? That is a bold stance, indeed.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Roy H. on May 08, 2018, 01:12:17 PM
Don't forget that these athletes would be nothing without the fans (students and alum) paying for tickets.  To me, expecting to be paid is narrow-minded and selfish. The profit from athletics helps to keep tuition costs down.  Obviously these athletes don't care about that.  It's all about me, me, me.  And, any athlete who has the viewpoint probably won't value a free education anyway.

lol What?

EDIT: Sorry, I'm having trouble figuring out where to begin to respond to something this backwards. Like, it's selfish to expect to be compensated fairly for work performed? That is a bold stance, indeed.

Read his next sentence.

Expecting compensation above and beyond tuition, room and board, travel, etc. can be considered greedy, especially when noting that tuition alone doesnít pay for all the benefits students receive. 

If you participate in the college system, there are trade offs. Youíre trading monetary compensation for a cushy celebrity lifestyle that is a launching pad to a basketball career.

Carter is always welcome to go seek fame and fortune in the Balkan League.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: libermaniac on May 08, 2018, 01:17:02 PM
Don't forget that these athletes would be nothing without the fans (students and alum) paying for tickets.  To me, expecting to be paid is narrow-minded and selfish. The profit from athletics helps to keep tuition costs down.  Obviously these athletes don't care about that.  It's all about me, me, me.  And, any athlete who has the viewpoint probably won't value a free education anyway.

lol What?

EDIT: Sorry, I'm having trouble figuring out where to begin to respond to something this backwards. Like, it's selfish to expect to be compensated fairly for work performed? That is a bold stance, indeed.
The cost of a free education can exceed $60 - $70K per year.  It's not like they are working for "free".  Expecting to be compensated over and above that is downright selfish, IMO.  Anyone who doesn't value that free education is so uneducated in the first place, it's a lost cause.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: indeedproceed on May 08, 2018, 01:57:48 PM
Seems kind of like double dipping what some of you guys are considering 'benefits'.

You get room, board, and tuition. Travel? The school will pay for you to travel to games, like they would any other athlete of any other sport. 'Celebrity lifestyle'? Is that tax deductible? Is a fan's adoration a write off for the school?

Top level basketball players are barred from making a middle-class income domestically by a set of rules that favors a system that relies on unpaid labor. That unpaid labor in turn rewards the NBA by giving the league a free year of scouting before committing millions to a first round draft pick.

I think it is hyperbolic to compare it to slavery. But it's disingenuous to pretend it is a fair transaction. The athletic time commitments for many sports makes keeping a traditional academic schedule nearly impossible, and makes student athletes who actually emphasize the 'student' aspect of college some of the hardest working people in academics. But for top level money-making programs it is impossible to have a traditional academic experience. And people kvetch and complain about 'fake courses' and doctored grades but what do they expect? It's all a sham. The people who get a real degree and compete at a high level in the tops schools in D1 basketball and football are the outliers.

All that said, I don't think college sports are the problem by any means. The age limit imposed by the NBA is the problem, that allows the whole system to work.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticsElite on May 08, 2018, 02:04:40 PM
Don't forget that these athletes would be nothing without the fans (students and alum) paying for tickets.  To me, expecting to be paid is narrow-minded and selfish. The profit from athletics helps to keep tuition costs down.  Obviously these athletes don't care about that.  It's all about me, me, me.  And, any athlete who has the viewpoint probably won't value a free education anyway.

lol What?

EDIT: Sorry, I'm having trouble figuring out where to begin to respond to something this backwards. Like, it's selfish to expect to be compensated fairly for work performed? That is a bold stance, indeed.
the vast majority of college athletes donít have a problem with their compensation. So where do you get this ďthe compensation isnít fairĒ argument from? ď$50,000/yr scholarship, free living free food free gym free books isnít enough.. WE WANT MORE
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticsElite on May 08, 2018, 02:07:57 PM
Seems kind of like double dipping what some of you guys are considering 'benefits'.

You get room, board, and tuition. Travel? The school will pay for you to travel to games, like they would any other athlete of any other sport. 'Celebrity lifestyle'? Is that tax deductible? Is a fan's adoration a write off for the school?

Top level basketball players are barred from making a middle-class income domestically by a set of rules that favors a system that relies on unpaid labor. That unpaid labor in turn rewards the NBA by giving the league a free year of scouting before committing millions to a first round draft pick.

I think it is hyperbolic to compare it to slavery. But it's disingenuous to pretend it is a fair transaction. The athletic time commitments for many sports makes keeping a traditional academic schedule nearly impossible, and makes student athletes who actually emphasize the 'student' aspect of college some of the hardest working people in academics. But for top level money-making programs it is impossible to have a traditional academic experience. And people kvetch and complain about 'fake courses' and doctored grades but what do they expect? It's all a sham. The people who get a real degree and compete at a high level in the tops schools in D1 basketball and football are the outliers.

All that said, I don't think college sports are the problem by any means. The age limit imposed by the NBA is the problem, that allows the whole system to work.
Ēunpaid laborĒ

Define labor. It isnít bouncing a ball for 20 minutes a week.  define unpaid when the students get paid $50,000/yr tuition from the athletic scholarship and free rooms.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: bdm860 on May 08, 2018, 02:21:24 PM
Don't forget that these athletes would be nothing without the fans (students and alum) paying for tickets.  To me, expecting to be paid is narrow-minded and selfish. The profit from athletics helps to keep tuition costs down.  Obviously these athletes don't care about that.  It's all about me, me, me.  And, any athlete who has the viewpoint probably won't value a free education anyway.

lol What?

EDIT: Sorry, I'm having trouble figuring out where to begin to respond to something this backwards. Like, it's selfish to expect to be compensated fairly for work performed? That is a bold stance, indeed.
The cost of a free education can exceed $60 - $70K per year.  It's not like they are working for "free".  Expecting to be compensated over and above that is downright selfish, IMO.  Anyone who doesn't value that free education is so uneducated in the first place, it's a lost cause.

While these athletes are getting benefits (the cushy celebrity lifestyle that is a launching pad to a basketball career), I strongly disagree with the notion that the education is a $50k+ annual value for the small percentage of scholarship athletes that have playing professional as a goal.   Also the sticker price of tuiton =/= cost =/= value.  For potential pro-athletes, I think the education has little to no value, whether they decided to take advantage of it or not.

Since, we're talking about Duke, I think of guys like William Avery, played 2 years at Duke, 3 years in the NBA, 10+ years overseas, retiring from basketball in 2012 at 33.  Those 2 years at Duke aren't going to help get him a job now that he's retired from the game.  He'd also be so far removed from school, if he decided to continue his education after retiring, his credits probably would have expired/won't transfer.

But even if you got a degree by staying 4 years in college or continuing your education after you went pro, the degree/education isn't going to hold much value when you've chased your professional career for 10, 15, 20 years.  Daniel Ewing, 4 years at Duke, 2 years in the NBA, still playing overseas after 10+ years I believe.  Whenever he decides to hang up his sneakers, that degree from Duke in whatever he studied, isn't going to help him get a job, not when there's a 15 year gap on his resume (although that Duke alumni network might help), ask the stay-at-home parents who try to re-join the workforce after 15 years out of it.

For athletes who don't go pro, and have to start a "real world" career after graduating, that free education is an amazing benefit (especially at the better schools).

But for the small percentage of pro athletes who will be chasing that pro career for the next 10-20 years of their life (like Wendell Carter probably will), that education isn't really providing much value.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: KGs Knee on May 08, 2018, 02:25:04 PM
Don't forget that these athletes would be nothing without the fans (students and alum) paying for tickets.  To me, expecting to be paid is narrow-minded and selfish. The profit from athletics helps to keep tuition costs down.  Obviously these athletes don't care about that.  It's all about me, me, me.  And, any athlete who has the viewpoint probably won't value a free education anyway.

lol What?

EDIT: Sorry, I'm having trouble figuring out where to begin to respond to something this backwards. Like, it's selfish to expect to be compensated fairly for work performed? That is a bold stance, indeed.
the vast majority of college athletes donít have a problem with their compensation. So where do you get this ďthe compensation isnít fairĒ argument from? ď$50,000/yr scholarship, free living free food free gym free books isnít enough.. WE WANT MORE

When you consider how much money the top athletes bring for these programs by their mere presence, yes they absolutely deserve a lot more compensation than they recieve.

And they would get it if they didn't have to go to college (or find some other of avenue that won't provide them with nearly the exposure that college does). Football is even worse, these kids have to wait three years before they can enter the NFL.

Colleges should either be able to straight up pay players whatever the players are capable of negotiating for themselves. But since that will never happen the NBA/NFL should simply let players go pro at 18.

The bottom line is the top athletes ARE getting an unfair deal.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: indeedproceed on May 08, 2018, 02:32:55 PM
Seems kind of like double dipping what some of you guys are considering 'benefits'.

You get room, board, and tuition. Travel? The school will pay for you to travel to games, like they would any other athlete of any other sport. 'Celebrity lifestyle'? Is that tax deductible? Is a fan's adoration a write off for the school?

Top level basketball players are barred from making a middle-class income domestically by a set of rules that favors a system that relies on unpaid labor. That unpaid labor in turn rewards the NBA by giving the league a free year of scouting before committing millions to a first round draft pick.

I think it is hyperbolic to compare it to slavery. But it's disingenuous to pretend it is a fair transaction. The athletic time commitments for many sports makes keeping a traditional academic schedule nearly impossible, and makes student athletes who actually emphasize the 'student' aspect of college some of the hardest working people in academics. But for top level money-making programs it is impossible to have a traditional academic experience. And people kvetch and complain about 'fake courses' and doctored grades but what do they expect? It's all a sham. The people who get a real degree and compete at a high level in the tops schools in D1 basketball and football are the outliers.

All that said, I don't think college sports are the problem by any means. The age limit imposed by the NBA is the problem, that allows the whole system to work.
Ēunpaid laborĒ

Define labor. It isnít bouncing a ball for 20 minutes a week.  define unpaid when the students get paid $50,000/yr tuition from the athletic scholarship and free rooms.

Bouncing a ball for 20 minutes a week? Come on. NCAA athletes spend at least 25-30 hours per week practicing, doing film sessions, mandatory workouts, on top of that they often have mandatory public appearances, plus theoretically they're getting an education, which means 12-18 hours of class and if you're doing it right, another 12+ hours of outside classroom work weekly at least.

On top of that you have games where you're flying at all hours of the night, often on weekdays when you're expected to be at class the next morning. Actually being a student and an elite level athlete is grueling for any collegiate sport. Actually being a NBA level prospect at a top college school and being a full time student is a fantasy.

But 'a free education' is included. Come on.

Unpaid labor means they don't pay them money for their services. There have been many institutions over the years who have tried to compensate employees with free room and board, unreasonable work hours, strict arbitrary rules that are inconsistently enforced, and justified that they things they learned while under their care were compensation enough for their contributions.

I'm just saying, comparing actual slavery to student athletes is ridiculous and shouldn't be taken seriously. But it's also not hard to do.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticsElite on May 08, 2018, 02:34:01 PM
Don't forget that these athletes would be nothing without the fans (students and alum) paying for tickets.  To me, expecting to be paid is narrow-minded and selfish. The profit from athletics helps to keep tuition costs down.  Obviously these athletes don't care about that.  It's all about me, me, me.  And, any athlete who has the viewpoint probably won't value a free education anyway.

lol What?

EDIT: Sorry, I'm having trouble figuring out where to begin to respond to something this backwards. Like, it's selfish to expect to be compensated fairly for work performed? That is a bold stance, indeed.
The cost of a free education can exceed $60 - $70K per year.  It's not like they are working for "free".  Expecting to be compensated over and above that is downright selfish, IMO.  Anyone who doesn't value that free education is so uneducated in the first place, it's a lost cause.

While these athletes are getting benefits (the cushy celebrity lifestyle that is a launching pad to a basketball career), I strongly disagree with the notion that the education is a $50k+ annual value for the small percentage of scholarship athletes that have playing professional as a goal.   Also the sticker price of tuiton =/= cost =/= value.  For potential pro-athletes, I think the education has little to no value, whether they decided to take advantage of it or not.

Since, we're talking about Duke, I think of guys like William Avery, played 2 years at Duke, 3 years in the NBA, 10+ years overseas, retiring from basketball in 2012 at 33.  Those 2 years at Duke aren't going to help get him a job now that he's retired from the game.  He'd also be so far removed from school, if he decided to continue his education after retiring, his credits probably would have expired/won't transfer.

But even if you got a degree by staying 4 years in college or continuing your education after you went pro, the degree/education isn't going to hold much value when you've chased your professional career for 10, 15, 20 years.  Daniel Ewing, 4 years at Duke, 2 years in the NBA, still playing overseas after 10+ years I believe.  Whenever he decides to hang up his sneakers, that degree from Duke in whatever he studied, isn't going to help him get a job, not when there's a 15 year gap on his resume (although that Duke alumni network might help), ask the stay-at-home parents who try to re-join the workforce after 15 years out of it.

For athletes who don't go pro, and have to start a "real world" career after graduating, that free education is an amazing benefit (especially at the better schools).

But for the small percentage of pro athletes who will be chasing that pro career for the next 10-20 years of their life (like Wendell Carter probably will), that education isn't really providing much value.
kelly olynyk graduated as an accounting major and got his masters in business administration . I think he said Every summer he interns at his financial advisers firm. The real world is there if you want it. Some will blame the ncaa for not giving handouts. Others graduate, intern, and do the real world work


The ncaa, a non profit organization, owes no one anything. If you want to be paid, go to the nba or overseas and be a professional.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: KGs Knee on May 08, 2018, 03:36:50 PM
Just think about it this way, if all of the athletes who were capable of going pro decided to forgo college the amount of revenue these colleges bring in would drastically decrease.   Probably not right away, as there is a lot of built up interest, but over time the money coming in would evaporate.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticsElite on May 08, 2018, 03:39:37 PM
Just think about it this way, if all of the athletes who were capable of going pro decided to forgo college the amount of revenue these colleges bring in would drastically decrease.   Probably not right away, as there is a lot of built up interest, but over time the money coming in would evaporate.
no it wouldnít. Gotta have proof to come up with such a conclusion. The fans will go to games regardless. Iíve never seen duke not have a packed arena. The TV deals are long term fixed deals as well
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: KGs Knee on May 08, 2018, 03:43:33 PM
Just think about it this way, if all of the athletes who were capable of going pro decided to forgo college the amount of revenue these colleges bring in would drastically decrease.   Probably not right away, as there is a lot of built up interest, but over time the money coming in would evaporate.
no it wouldnít. Gotta have proof to come up with such a conclusion. The fans will go to games regardless. Iíve never seen duke not have a packed arena. The TV deals are long term fixed deals as well

TV contracts aren't forever and would have to be renegotiated eventually.   No network is going to pay as much for an inferior product. Casual fans will stop paying attention.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Roy H. on May 08, 2018, 04:25:22 PM
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But for the small percentage of pro athletes who will be chasing that pro career for the next 10-20 years of their life (like Wendell Carter probably will), that education isn't really providing much value.

Perhaps not, but thatís a choice. How many pro leagues are there?

Sure, thereís a one year impediment between Young and his dreams. What about the extremely talented legal mind, that someday might be on the Supreme Court? He or she still has to spend seven years in college / law school, plus in many cases unpaid internships, clerkships, etc. Same thing with doctors, and many other fields.

Waiting one year is hardly an imposition.

And, except for maybe 35 people per year (out of many thousands of D1 basketball players) that degree is a more sensible pursuit than the NBA.

Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticSince83 on May 08, 2018, 11:34:03 PM
Interesting times when the best option for 99% of these kids is to volunteer themselves into "slavery."  Meanwhile their peers are paying 40-70k a year and in many instances working at unpaid internships or externships (for companies that generate revenues in excess of the NCAA). 

Not surprising comments from a woman who seems to inject race into the conversation whenever possible.

What are you basing this on?

From the last time she was quoted in an interview.   And the time before that, and the time before that.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on May 09, 2018, 12:26:01 AM
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But for the small percentage of pro athletes who will be chasing that pro career for the next 10-20 years of their life (like Wendell Carter probably will), that education isn't really providing much value.

Perhaps not, but thatís a choice. How many pro leagues are there?

Sure, thereís a one year impediment between Young and his dreams. What about the extremely talented legal mind, that someday might be on the Supreme Court? He or she still has to spend seven years in college / law school, plus in many cases unpaid internships, clerkships, etc. Same thing with doctors, and many other fields.

Waiting one year is hardly an imposition.

And, except for maybe 35 people per year (out of many thousands of D1 basketball players) that degree is a more sensible pursuit than the NBA.

Couple of related thoughts:

I'd think that many who have survived grad school can attest to how brutal it can be.  Grad students are often incredibly over-worked, underpaid (if at all), live in poverty for 5-7 years post-bachelors, and generally get taken advantage of.  Advisors and supervisors are the ultimate gatekeepers, and that's just 'the way it's always been.' 

While I agree with others that the NCAA does unduly profit from some, many athletes have a much different experience.  A 19-year-old may choose to sacrifice time, energy, academics, etc. to play with an appreciation for many benefits.  The experience allows some to fulfill a life-long dream, develop as a young man/woman (e.g., discipline, work-ethic, confidence), continue to play the sport they love, etc.  The short-term delay of some benefits does not discount the positives that also benefit even the most elite collegiate athletes, imo.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Big333223 on May 09, 2018, 07:58:55 AM
Interesting times when the best option for 99% of these kids is to volunteer themselves into "slavery."  Meanwhile their peers are paying 40-70k a year and in many instances working at unpaid internships or externships (for companies that generate revenues in excess of the NCAA). 

Not surprising comments from a woman who seems to inject race into the conversation whenever possible.

What are you basing this on?

From the last time she was quoted in an interview.   And the time before that, and the time before that.

Do you have a link to any of these articles? I'd never heard or seen anything from her until now.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Celtics4ever on May 09, 2018, 08:05:04 AM
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I'd think that many who have survived grad school can attest to how brutal it can be.  Grad students are often incredibly over-worked, underpaid (if at all), live in poverty for 5-7 years post-bachelors, and generally get taken advantage of.  Advisors and supervisors are the ultimate gatekeepers, and that's just 'the way it's always been.'

I worked while I went to grad school a forty hour a week job full course load.   It cut down on my fun time but I did not think it was that bad, because I thought that by grad school, they are filtering out people prior to get into it.  The papers were bad, but not working was not an option for me.   I was in the military during war, so I experienced far worse than grad school.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: dreamgreen on May 09, 2018, 08:28:41 AM
People say the dumbest things. Nothing is like slavery except slavery. Owning another person, they are your property and you can do whatever you want with/to that person. Nothing compares to that period!!!
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: BruceBanner18 on May 09, 2018, 09:33:24 AM
This conversation reminded me of this interview with Arian Foster.  At 1:20 he starts to explain how his college didn't allow him to register for the degree he wanted because it interfered with practices and workouts.  He also explains the amount of time they expected out of him at workouts...interesting insight.  I'm not sure if it's in this clip, but at one point he talks about the idea of having a 'football' degree at colleges so players could major in football or basketball...the idea being the sports industry is huge and they could teach players how to participate in the sport after college (coaching, training, strategy, marketing, etc.)  I thought that was interesting idea and probably more helpful than the bull**** degrees a lot of players gravitate to.

Anyway, the idea that the player is getting a free education is not exactly true in the way I would have anticipated after listening to the whole interview...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5mRGQ9kdQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5mRGQ9kdQQ)
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Big333223 on May 09, 2018, 09:38:01 AM
This conversation reminded me of this interview with Arian Foster.  At 1:20 he starts to explain how his college didn't allow him to register for the degree he wanted because it interfered with practices and workouts.  He also explains the amount of time they expected out of him at workouts...interesting insight.  I'm not sure if it's in this clip, but at one point he talks about the idea of having a 'football' degree at colleges so players could major in football or basketball...the idea being the sports industry is huge and they could teach players how to participate in the sport after college (coaching, training, strategy, marketing, etc.)  I thought that was interesting idea and probably more helpful than the bull**** degrees a lot of players gravitate to.

Anyway, the idea that the player is getting a free education is not exactly true in the way I would have anticipated after listening to the whole interview...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5mRGQ9kdQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5mRGQ9kdQQ)

TP

Just because other students pay $50,000 to go to Duke, doesn't mean every student is getting $50,000 worth of an education.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Roy H. on May 09, 2018, 10:35:55 AM
This conversation reminded me of this interview with Arian Foster.  At 1:20 he starts to explain how his college didn't allow him to register for the degree he wanted because it interfered with practices and workouts.  He also explains the amount of time they expected out of him at workouts...interesting insight.  I'm not sure if it's in this clip, but at one point he talks about the idea of having a 'football' degree at colleges so players could major in football or basketball...the idea being the sports industry is huge and they could teach players how to participate in the sport after college (coaching, training, strategy, marketing, etc.)  I thought that was interesting idea and probably more helpful than the bull**** degrees a lot of players gravitate to.

Anyway, the idea that the player is getting a free education is not exactly true in the way I would have anticipated after listening to the whole interview...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5mRGQ9kdQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5mRGQ9kdQQ)

TP

Just because other students pay $50,000 to go to Duke, doesn't mean every student is getting $50,000 worth of an education.

Itís there if they want it. Florida State and TCU have had Rhodes Scholars on their football team in recent years.  There are many Academic All-Americans playing D1 sports.

Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Forza Juventus on May 09, 2018, 11:50:12 AM
Lol so much fake outrage. College athletes arenít fairly compensated and at the very least should be allowed to own their own likeness. Let her vent.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: KGs Knee on May 09, 2018, 12:03:39 PM
Lol so much fake outrage. College athletes arenít fairly compensated and at the very least should be allowed to own their own likeness. Let her vent.

Let her vent by comparing something that is in no way similar to slavery to actual slavery?

Yeah, no. This woman deserves to be called out.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Forza Juventus on May 09, 2018, 12:13:56 PM
Lol so much fake outrage. College athletes arenít fairly compensated and at the very least should be allowed to own their own likeness. Let her vent.

Let her vent by comparing something that is in no way similar to slavery to actual slavery?

Yeah, no. This woman deserves to be called out.

The ncaa should be called out. Not her. People get distracted by headlines but she is not the villain here.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: CelticsElite on May 09, 2018, 12:18:17 PM
Just think about it this way, if all of the athletes who were capable of going pro decided to forgo college the amount of revenue these colleges bring in would drastically decrease.   Probably not right away, as there is a lot of built up interest, but over time the money coming in would evaporate.
no it wouldnít. Gotta have proof to come up with such a conclusion. The fans will go to games regardless. Iíve never seen duke not have a packed arena. The TV deals are long term fixed deals as well

TV contracts aren't forever and would have to be renegotiated eventually.   No network is going to pay as much for an inferior product. Casual fans will stop paying attention.
the nba age limit is being lowered in 2 years meaning some 5 star players will go straight to the nba. I'd bet your wrong and college basketball continues to grow
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Roy H. on May 09, 2018, 12:48:32 PM
Just think about it this way, if all of the athletes who were capable of going pro decided to forgo college the amount of revenue these colleges bring in would drastically decrease.   Probably not right away, as there is a lot of built up interest, but over time the money coming in would evaporate.
no it wouldnít. Gotta have proof to come up with such a conclusion. The fans will go to games regardless. Iíve never seen duke not have a packed arena. The TV deals are long term fixed deals as well

TV contracts aren't forever and would have to be renegotiated eventually.   No network is going to pay as much for an inferior product. Casual fans will stop paying attention.
the nba age limit is being lowered in 2 years meaning some 5 star players will go straight to the nba. I'd bet your wrong and college basketball continues to grow

I agree. I donít think that the product will be all that inferior. Basketball was fine before the one and done rule. If anything, it may have hurt the product. Thatís why you see teams that have stayed together multiple years like Villanova winning titles.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: KGs Knee on May 09, 2018, 01:02:48 PM
Just think about it this way, if all of the athletes who were capable of going pro decided to forgo college the amount of revenue these colleges bring in would drastically decrease.   Probably not right away, as there is a lot of built up interest, but over time the money coming in would evaporate.
no it wouldnít. Gotta have proof to come up with such a conclusion. The fans will go to games regardless. Iíve never seen duke not have a packed arena. The TV deals are long term fixed deals as well

TV contracts aren't forever and would have to be renegotiated eventually.   No network is going to pay as much for an inferior product. Casual fans will stop paying attention.
the nba age limit is being lowered in 2 years meaning some 5 star players will go straight to the nba. I'd bet your wrong and college basketball continues to grow

I agree. I donít think that the product will be all that inferior. Basketball was fine before the one and done rule. If anything, it may have hurt the product. Thatís why you see teams that have stayed together multiple years like Villanova winning titles.

Well, sure, if nothing is going to change other than the top 5-10 players forgoing college, than I'd agree college basketball will be fine.

But that wasn't what I was saying. What I was saying was that if there was a viable alternative, where kids that had enough talent to possibly play professionally could play and get paid to do so ALL skipped college, the game would suffer. Now we're talking about possibly up to 100 players a year going elsewhere.

That would have a huge impact on the quality of the game and the amount of interest and money pouring in.

As big of a fan of Duke as I am, I actually would much rather see a viable alternative where these kids got paid for their talent. They deserve a lot larger share of the money pouring than some bozo in a suit who sits in some office somewhere. I'm not watching college basketball for some administrator who makes way too much money. I'm watching because I enjoy watching talented basketball players. I'll go where the talent is, if that l talent is no longer in the NCAA, I'll stop watching (and so would most people who are being honest).
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Donoghus on May 09, 2018, 01:03:58 PM
Just think about it this way, if all of the athletes who were capable of going pro decided to forgo college the amount of revenue these colleges bring in would drastically decrease.   Probably not right away, as there is a lot of built up interest, but over time the money coming in would evaporate.
no it wouldnít. Gotta have proof to come up with such a conclusion. The fans will go to games regardless. Iíve never seen duke not have a packed arena. The TV deals are long term fixed deals as well

TV contracts aren't forever and would have to be renegotiated eventually.   No network is going to pay as much for an inferior product. Casual fans will stop paying attention.
the nba age limit is being lowered in 2 years meaning some 5 star players will go straight to the nba. I'd bet your wrong and college basketball continues to grow

I agree. I donít think that the product will be all that inferior. Basketball was fine before the one and done rule. If anything, it may have hurt the product. Thatís why you see teams that have stayed together multiple years like Villanova winning titles.

March Madness pulls in the casual fan year in & year out regardless of who is playing.    Live TV rights are still an insanely valuable commodity so I don't think the college game will be hurt from a monetary standpoint as long as there is competition for the TV rights.   However, there is a question of if/when the rights bubble will burst.    That'll be most likely based on bottom line which may be indirectly impacted by quality of play but there will several factors contributing to that bubble bursting.   

From a quality standpoint, it hasn't been easy on the eyes for years and, no doubt, will remain that way.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: KGs Knee on May 09, 2018, 01:06:37 PM
Lol so much fake outrage. College athletes arenít fairly compensated and at the very least should be allowed to own their own likeness. Let her vent.

Let her vent by comparing something that is in no way similar to slavery to actual slavery?

Yeah, no. This woman deserves to be called out.

The ncaa should be called out. Not her. People get distracted by headlines but she is not the villain here.

Your flat out wrong.

She compared something that is nothing like slavery to slavery. That is ignorant and disrespectful.

People cannot be allowed to get away with that kind of behavior. Allowing such idiotic nonsense to become commonplace serves no purpose other than to lower the quality of our society.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Forza Juventus on May 09, 2018, 02:10:15 PM
Lol so much fake outrage. College athletes arenít fairly compensated and at the very least should be allowed to own their own likeness. Let her vent.

Let her vent by comparing something that is in no way similar to slavery to actual slavery?

Yeah, no. This woman deserves to be called out.

The ncaa should be called out. Not her. People get distracted by headlines but she is not the villain here.

Your flat out wrong.

She compared something that is nothing like slavery to slavery. That is ignorant and disrespectful.

People cannot be allowed to get away with that kind of behavior. Allowing such idiotic nonsense to become commonplace serves no purpose other than to lower the quality of our society.

There's no point discussing with you. You are like Shaq just yelling louder than Barkely and declaring yourself right. Stuff like that makes this place a cesspool. I forgot the reason I almost never post here anymore.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Roy H. on May 09, 2018, 02:29:19 PM
Lol so much fake outrage. College athletes arenít fairly compensated and at the very least should be allowed to own their own likeness. Let her vent.

Let her vent by comparing something that is in no way similar to slavery to actual slavery?

Yeah, no. This woman deserves to be called out.

The ncaa should be called out. Not her. People get distracted by headlines but she is not the villain here.

Your flat out wrong.

She compared something that is nothing like slavery to slavery. That is ignorant and disrespectful.

People cannot be allowed to get away with that kind of behavior. Allowing such idiotic nonsense to become commonplace serves no purpose other than to lower the quality of our society.

There's no point discussing with you. You are like Shaq just yelling louder than Barkely and declaring yourself right. Stuff like that makes this place a cesspool. I forgot the reason I almost never post here anymore.

Youíre not really making a point, though, other than that words donít have any meaning.

If we accept that playing college basketball is the equivalent of slavery, that cheapens both our language and our history.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Forza Juventus on May 09, 2018, 02:39:29 PM
Lol so much fake outrage. College athletes arenít fairly compensated and at the very least should be allowed to own their own likeness. Let her vent.

Let her vent by comparing something that is in no way similar to slavery to actual slavery?

Yeah, no. This woman deserves to be called out.

The ncaa should be called out. Not her. People get distracted by headlines but she is not the villain here.

Your flat out wrong.

She compared something that is nothing like slavery to slavery. That is ignorant and disrespectful.

People cannot be allowed to get away with that kind of behavior. Allowing such idiotic nonsense to become commonplace serves no purpose other than to lower the quality of our society.

There's no point discussing with you. You are like Shaq just yelling louder than Barkely and declaring yourself right. Stuff like that makes this place a cesspool. I forgot the reason I almost never post here anymore.

Youíre not really making a point, though, other than that words donít have any meaning.

If we accept that playing college basketball is the equivalent of slavery, that cheapens both our language and our history.
My point is that's it's not a big deal that she compared it to slavery. She is still correct that they should be able to profit on their likeness. She is going to take a lot of criticism because people miss the point. Part of that is her fault because she used hyperbole. Part of that is the media's fault for focusing on the headline. Part of that is the general publics fault for choosing to focus on the headline.

I think most people agree that college athletes should be able to profit on their name. I think most people agree with some of what this woman said. But the NCAA won't give an inch. They are the villains.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: Casperian on May 09, 2018, 03:28:32 PM
If these kids were smart, they would form a player union and demand negotiations. The players have all the power, they're just choosing not to exercise it.

If the NCAA doesn't give in, go on strike.

I promise you, they will come running back, tail between their legs, and give you whatever you demand.
The schools rely on the revenue these players generate way more than the players do. In fact, considering the players aren't making a single dollar under the current system, their "reliance" on this revenue is practically non-existent as is.

The players can only win.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: KGs Knee on May 09, 2018, 03:44:33 PM
Lol so much fake outrage. College athletes arenít fairly compensated and at the very least should be allowed to own their own likeness. Let her vent.

Let her vent by comparing something that is in no way similar to slavery to actual slavery?

Yeah, no. This woman deserves to be called out.

The ncaa should be called out. Not her. People get distracted by headlines but she is not the villain here.

Your flat out wrong.

She compared something that is nothing like slavery to slavery. That is ignorant and disrespectful.

People cannot be allowed to get away with that kind of behavior. Allowing such idiotic nonsense to become commonplace serves no purpose other than to lower the quality of our society.

There's no point discussing with you. You are like Shaq just yelling louder than Barkely and declaring yourself right. Stuff like that makes this place a cesspool. I forgot the reason I almost never post here anymore.

Youíre not really making a point, though, other than that words donít have any meaning.

If we accept that playing college basketball is the equivalent of slavery, that cheapens both our language and our history.
My point is that's it's not a big deal that she compared it to slavery. She is still correct that they should be able to profit on their likeness. She is going to take a lot of criticism because people miss the point. Part of that is her fault because she used hyperbole. Part of that is the media's fault for focusing on the headline. Part of that is the general publics fault for choosing to focus on the headline.

I think most people agree that college athletes should be able to profit on their name. I think most people agree with some of what this woman said. But the NCAA won't give an inch. They are the villains.

She could have easily made her point just as well without using the inflammatory and irresponsible language she did. Heck, I actually agree with her point, and have stated so multiple times in this thread.

But actual slavery is so utterly different than what goes on in college athletics. Being a slave entails being a piece of property. You are given no choice, and are often beaten or murdered if you try to escape. No college athletes are being beaten, murdered, or forced to live in unsanitary and humiliating conditions. There is no comparison, and trying to make one is a very big deal.
Title: Re: W. Carter's mom: free Duke education is the equivalent of African slavery
Post by: tenn_smoothie on May 26, 2018, 12:07:53 AM
Lol so much fake outrage. College athletes arenít fairly compensated and at the very least should be allowed to own their own likeness. Let her vent.

Let her vent by comparing something that is in no way similar to slavery to actual slavery?

Yeah, no. This woman deserves to be called out.

The ncaa should be called out. Not her. People get distracted by headlines but she is not the villain here.

Your flat out wrong.

She compared something that is nothing like slavery to slavery. That is ignorant and disrespectful.

People cannot be allowed to get away with that kind of behavior. Allowing such idiotic nonsense to become commonplace serves no purpose other than to lower the quality of our society.

Have you not noticed ?  Our country has been allowing insane remarks like this since the 70's and these remarks are celebrated as "progressive thinking" and being "culturally sensitive."