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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Phantom255x on April 29, 2018, 04:40:04 PM
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TRADE IDEA: Rozier FOR Sabonis + 2018 Indiana 2nd Rounder
1. This is assuming Ainge reaches an extension with Smart at a very reasonable rate, and decides to "sell high" on Rozier since he doesn't expect the C's will be able to keep him after NEXT season since he could command a ton elsewhere.
2. We could add Sabonis to the front court with Horford and Theis, and I'm assuming we keep ONE of Monroe/Baynes, so whoever leaves ultimately gets replaced by Sabonis in a sense (who is just 21 years old and still on his rookie contract for 2 more seasons).
Now I wouldn't mind at all if we just keep Scary Terry for next season as great depth while making our title run with a (hopefully) healthy team, and I would actually love if we could keep BOTH Smart + Rozier long term (even if it meant going well into the luxury tax), but realistically I think between Rozier and Smart, Ainge probably keeps Smart primarily because his market won't be as high, and he honestly has that KG-Mentality and makes those "winning plays" that teams need to make to go far in playoffs.
Idk... it's going to be a real tough decision to make and I hate to even suggest an idea that involves trading Scary Terry (during this current playoff run), but... what do you guys think?
I say NO still, but if not this particular idea and you think we should still sell high on Rozier, anyone have any other trade ideas?
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Honestly, I think Indiana would be the team that would want additional compensation in a Rozier for Sabonis swap.
Sabonis is really good.
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I don't think Smart is resigned. I feel a team like the Magic will go hard for him looking for a guy with grit to help change their team identity.
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Honestly, I think Indiana would be the team that would want additional compensation in a Rozier for Sabonis swap.
Sabonis is really good.
Yeah, but Rozier is definitely proving himself as a starting PG (which is what IND could use alongside Oladipo), so maybe just a Rozier for Sabonis kind of swap?
I don't think Smart is resigned. I feel a team like the Magic will go hard for him looking for a guy with grit to help change their team identity.
Maybe, but my guess is, Smart gets re-signed at something around 4/40M. If ORL makes an offer like 4/60M+ though, then yeah he's gone. I truthfully don't think they will make that kind of offer though.
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Indy declines quickly IMO
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I don't know if this is the trade but I think there will be plenty of teams calling Ainge for the services of Scary Terry.
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As much as I lump on Rozier, I still think that he would be the best player in that trade, so no.
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I like Sabonis, but no, I would not trade Rozier for the guy. If you want a big man, and I do, I'd at least attempt to find a way to acquire Justin Patton for Kyrie Irving, but I'm nuts, lol ;D.
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I like Sabonis, but no, I would not trade Rozier for the guy. If you want a big man, and I do, I'd at least attempt to find a way to acquire Justin Patton for Kyrie Irving, but I'm nuts, lol ;D.
Just to be clear here.
BEAT LA has proposed trading Kyrie Irving for a big man picked 16th overall in last years draft who missed this entire season with a broken foot. He has played 4 minutes in the NBA...
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I like Sabonis, but no, I would not trade Rozier for the guy. If you want a big man, and I do, I'd at least attempt to find a way to acquire Justin Patton for Kyrie Irving, but I'm nuts, lol ;D.
I agree on that part.
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I like Sabonis, but no, I would not trade Rozier for the guy. If you want a big man, and I do, I'd at least attempt to find a way to acquire Justin Patton for Kyrie Irving, but I'm nuts, lol ;D.
I agree on that part.
Hehe, TP ;D.
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Indy declines quickly IMO
This, but I think maybe you make the phone call
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I like Sabonis, but no, I would not trade Rozier for the guy. If you want a big man, and I do, I'd at least attempt to find a way to acquire Justin Patton for Kyrie Irving, but I'm nuts, lol ;D.
Just to be clear here.
BEAT LA has proposed trading Kyrie Irving for a big man picked 16th overall in last years draft who missed this entire season with a broken foot. He has played 4 minutes in the NBA...
First, thanks, Captain Obvious ::) ;D, and second, while I would do that deal, it's not possible because of salaries, anyway, plus Irving did have Minnesota as one of his preferred destinations, among others, prior to his being dealt to Boston. I think.
Besides, who needs Kyrie when we've got Rozier, lol? #TradeDatBum ;D These statements are as much jokes as they are actual proposals, btw. Yeesh.
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This survey is missing the option "Indiana is not giving you Sabonis AND a pick".
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
In what world does that NOT rhyme?
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
Yeah it's an atrocious nickname. I've been seeing and hearing it too but refuse to use it myself. Rozier deserves better.
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
Yeah it's an atrocious nickname. I've been seeing and hearing it too but refuse to use it myself. Rozier deserves better.
It was probably Blakely or Draper. Those morons.
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
Yeah it's an atrocious nickname. I've been seeing and hearing it too but refuse to use it myself. Rozier deserves better.
Sadly it’s his fav so bound to stick.
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
Yeah it's an atrocious nickname. I've been seeing and hearing it too but refuse to use it myself. Rozier deserves better.
It's a TV reference from the show Rick and Morty.
Couldn't tell you anything more than that as I haven't seen the show.
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
In what world does that NOT rhyme?
Lol, TP ;D. Still, the nickname is present on his page on basketballreference.com, so it has to be true ;) ::) ;D. After all, this is the same site that literally has "Bad P0rn" as a nickname for Corey Maggette. I really wish that I was kidding -
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/maggeco01.html
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
Yeah it's an atrocious nickname. I've been seeing and hearing it too but refuse to use it myself. Rozier deserves better.
Scary Terry is a reference to Rick and Morty and I’m not sure there is higher praise.
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
Yeah it's an atrocious nickname. I've been seeing and hearing it too but refuse to use it myself. Rozier deserves better.
Scary Terry is a reference to Rick and Morty and I’m not sure there is higher praise.
I wonder how many people actually know this, lol
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
Yeah it's an atrocious nickname. I've been seeing and hearing it too but refuse to use it myself. Rozier deserves better.
It's a TV reference from the show Rick and Morty.
Couldn't tell you anything more than that as I haven't seen the show.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/OuYwh3Vw6zwTC/giphy.gif)
https://youtu.be/-EWqTKQ4a0Q (All Scenes)
This is Scary Terry
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
Yeah it's an atrocious nickname. I've been seeing and hearing it too but refuse to use it myself. Rozier deserves better.
Scary Terry is a reference to Rick and Morty and I’m not sure there is higher praise.
I wonder how many people actually know this, lol
A few here don't, yet most on Reddit are "meme'ing" this.
Speaks to the demographics of Reddit vs. CelticsBlog, as well as Rick and Morty watchers - not a value judgment, just an observation.
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Did somebody say Scary Terry?
(https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--WA05LlCT--/t_Preview/b_rgb:0f7b47,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1522202618/production/designs/2536311_0.jpg)
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
Yeah it's an atrocious nickname. I've been seeing and hearing it too but refuse to use it myself. Rozier deserves better.
Scary Terry is a reference to Rick and Morty and I’m not sure there is higher praise.
I've never even heard of Rick and Morty. I must be living in a bubble.
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
In what world does that NOT rhyme?
Maybe if you live down south it rhymes a little better... if you say Terry with a southern drawl.
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
Yeah it's an atrocious nickname. I've been seeing and hearing it too but refuse to use it myself. Rozier deserves better.
It's a TV reference from the show Rick and Morty.
Couldn't tell you anything more than that as I haven't seen the show.
Scary Terry is a cartoon parody of Freddy Krueger.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/rickandmorty/images/8/83/ScaryTerrytransparent.gif/revision/latest?cb=20160830143250)
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It's funny how "good" returns for Terry include the new pick in the similar range where TR was drafted, and how everyone expects that the pick would be great and developed perfectly. Guys, TR at 16 is a steal which is hard to replicate.
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Where did “Scary Terry” come from? It’s horrible and doesn’t even rhyme. I’ve been seeing and hearing it a lot in the last few days.
Yeah it's an atrocious nickname. I've been seeing and hearing it too but refuse to use it myself. Rozier deserves better.
It's a TV reference from the show Rick and Morty.
Couldn't tell you anything more than that as I haven't seen the show.
Scary Terry is a cartoon parody of Freddy Krueger.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/rickandmorty/images/8/83/ScaryTerrytransparent.gif/revision/latest?cb=20160830143250)
I met one of the writers from Rick and Morty one time. I had never seen or heard of the show, so it made other people's reverence of him kind of odd.
(End of anonymous name dropping)
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I think Rozier is the better player but we can't keep everyone and we need a good big man so I would do it.
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Rozier (and our pick #27, if necessary) for a first round pick in the 10-14 range that results in the drafting of Texas A&M center Robert Williams.
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Nerlens Noel and DMC are unrestricted FAs. Maybe we could land one of them.
Sabonis is a quick big, with good handle and midrange jumper, and a bruiser but not the shotblocker the team needs.
Keep The Terrier (short for Terry Rozier).
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Rozier (and our pick #27, if necessary) for a first round pick in the 10-14 range that results in the drafting of Texas A&M center Robert Williams.
Go after Mikal Bridges.
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Rozier (and our pick #27, if necessary) for a first round pick in the 10-14 range that results in the drafting of Texas A&M center Robert Williams.
Go after Mikal Bridges.
Why would we go after a 6'7" wing?
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http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95741.msg2473224#msg2473224
I proposed this same trade in late March (see link above).
I like Terry a lot, he is more of a scoring point guard rather than a play making/assisting guard. Yes I know his assist numbers were pretty good in the Bucks series.
I think Sabonis fits more of a long term need for the C's - young capable big. He would join our other two bigs under contract beyond this season: Big Al and Daniel Theis. Sabonis would eliminate the temptation to bring back either Baynes or Monroe - two flawed players who don't fit well with the new perimeter style game.
Indiana could use a point guard and they seem set at center with Myles Turner.
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I'd trade Terry for Sabonis straight up. I think Sabonis is going to be pretty good and it balances out our roster and gives us an extra year of team control.
I don't think the Pacers would be interested, especially with Turner struggling so much in the playoffs and overall this season.
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It's funny how "good" returns for Terry include the new pick in the similar range where TR was drafted, and how everyone expects that the pick would be great and developed perfectly. Guys, TR at 16 is a steal which is hard to replicate.
I don't see your point.
Whoever you take with a pick in that range won't likely be as good as Rozier.
However, you will have cheap team control over them for 4 years compared to Rozier's 1.
That's why the pick, despite not returning an equal level player, still has similar value.
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It's funny how "good" returns for Terry include the new pick in the similar range where TR was drafted, and how everyone expects that the pick would be great and developed perfectly. Guys, TR at 16 is a steal which is hard to replicate.
I don't see your point.
Whoever you take with a pick in that range won't likely be as good as Rozier.
However, you will have cheap team control over them for 4 years compared to Rozier's 1.
That's why the pick, despite not returning an equal level player, still has similar value.
The point is that it is hard to get a player of TR qualities at that slot. Since we are planing to win the whole thing next year I would rather have him then some, who knows who, pg. He is proven to be at the very least a good backup pg.
We have a year more to explore possibilities.
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Is there a team that would take rozier and kings/ or Memphis pick for a top 7 pick that year so we can draft a big with Potential?
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Any team that'd trade a top 3 pick for Kyrie?
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Any team that'd trade a top 3 pick for Kyrie?
That would be a major step backwards in the short term (while Horford and Hayward are still elite).
We are contenders with Kyrie.
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Any team that'd trade a top 3 pick for Kyrie?
Dear god, why would we do this?
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twist on the OP
How high in this draft can the Cs get with these packages
1. Rozier + #27 + Clipper pick
2. Rozier + Kings pick
Its tough to use precedent with NBA draft trades given the differnt tiers of talent in each class but last draft.
Lyles and #24 pick moved the Jazz to #13
Lyles is an interesting prospect but at that point he was 21 coming off of a solid 16mpg 6pt 3 rb season where he showed promise to some day be a modern starting PF.
Terry obviously has alot more value right now then Lyles did.
This logic would indicate that Terry + 27 should net the Cs at least a late lottery pick.
For every deal there must be a buyer. The Clippers have the 12th and 13th picks and could use a young PG. The Knicks at #9 might be to high to trade into
With that does Terry and the Kings pick spark any interest from the Knicks #9 or Magic at #5?
I doubt either makes a move that high in the draft but an argument could be made for it. Both teams will still be rebuilding and back in the lottery next year. If they do not feel the players they have available are franchise corner stones maybe picking up a starting PG and punting to next year makes sense.
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twist on the OP
How high in this draft can the Cs get with these packages
1. Rozier + #27 + Clipper pick
2. Rozier + Kings pick
Its tough to use precedent with NBA draft trades given the differnt tiers of talent in each class but last draft.
Lyles and #24 pick moved the Jazz to #13
Lyles is an interesting prospect but at that point he was 21 coming off of a solid 16mpg 6pt 3 rb season where he showed promise to some day be a modern starting PF.
Terry obviously has alot more value right now then Lyles did.
This logic would indicate that Terry + 27 should net the Cs at least a late lottery pick.
For every deal there must be a buyer. The Clippers have the 12th and 13th picks and could use a young PG. The Knicks at #9 might be to high to trade into
With that does Terry and the Kings pick spark any interest from the Knicks #9 or Magic at #5?
I doubt either makes a move that high in the draft but an argument could be made for it. Both teams will still be rebuilding and back in the lottery next year. If they do not feel the players they have available are franchise corner stones maybe picking up a starting PG and punting to next year makes sense.
Ya its tough because that Kings pick isnt a sure thing. If it lands #1 we get the Phili pick instead which is likely in the twenties. Big difference in value 2 vs 26. For that reason it may be a tough sell to get a top 10 team to bite on it and Rozier. A more realistic option would be Rozier + 27 which would appeal to a team wanting a PG in the back half of the lottery. After Trae young and Collin sexton are the only guys in that 7-14 range and Trae could go as high as 7 or 8. We could look to trade up to get a guy like Wendell Carter (7-10) or Robert Williams (11-14) or whoever slips. maybe we could even get higher if we were willing to include the Memphis pick, but tht pick has alot of varibility as well.
Now some may argue that we should keep Rozier. I would trade him. We arent trading Irving over him, we can't keep noth him and Smart and he's gonna get paid alot in a better cap enviornment in 2019. So we have him for 1 year basically. Assuming better health his role will be more limited next year and he just wont get teh same oppurtunity behind Brown/Tatum?Hayward/Irving. Trade him while value is at peak.
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Within the division trading is a no-no, but How about #27 and Rozier to Philly for #10
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Within the division trading is a no-no, but How about #27 and Rozier to Philly for #10
No. And frankly I don't know why PHI does it, unless Fultz is sent packing somewhere else.
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Going to be a tough summer for Danny.
First, there is Smart and what he will command. Does he stay or go? If he stays on a reasonable contract, do you hold Rozier and see how things play out next season or do you trade him? I think if we can keep Smart for under $10M per, we do it. He’s our defensive leader and can play multiple positions on both sides of the ball.
Then there’s also the Kings pick and whether teams will be after some combo of that, Rozier, Tatum and/or Brown. That Kings pick is going to be interesting because isn’t the lottery reform coming next year?
I’m now on board with running this back.
Kyrie/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Morris
Tatum/Theis
Horford/Baynes(?)
I can’t see Monroe returning after being benched in the playoffs.
I’d hold our MLE (if not used on Baynes) for the buyout season.
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Going to be a tough summer for Danny.
First, there is Smart and what he will command. Does he stay or go? If he stays on a reasonable contract, do you hold Rozier and see how things play out next season or do you trade him? I think if we can keep Smart for under $10M per, we do it. He’s our defensive leader and can play multiple positions on both sides of the ball.
Then there’s also the Kings pick and whether teams will be after some combo of that, Rozier, Tatum and/or Brown. That Kings pick is going to be interesting because isn’t the lottery reform coming next year?
I’m now on board with running this back.
Kyrie/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Morris
Tatum/Theis
Horford/Baynes(?)
I can’t see Monroe returning after being benched in the playoffs.
I’d hold our MLE (if not used on Baynes) for the buyout season.
I see us using the MLE on bringing back Baynes OR on another center. Need that depth behind Horford and Theis.
Also, aren't we technically allowed to offer Monroe 6M this next season? I mean, he could get higher offers from other teams, but if not I think we could keep Monroe for 6M next season AND Baynes (w/MLE), right? Or am I missing something?
Either way, I'm assuming at least one of Baynes/Monroe returns next year.
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Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
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Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
It's like giving him for free!
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Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
I want no part of Chriss, he's largely been a lazy foul machine. Bender has looked a bit better, but still the Suns stink is real....
If we're trading Rozier I'd rather it be for a pick than a player entering his third rookie scale year. The appeal in my mind is to move back the clock before you have to pay a premium for production, and translate a good PG into another position of need.
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Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
I want no part of Chriss, he's largely been a lazy foul machine. Bender has looked a bit better, but still the Suns stink is real....
If we're trading Rozier I'd rather it be for a pick than a player entering his third rookie scale year. The appeal in my mind is to move back the clock before you have to pay a premium for production, and translate a good PG into another position of need.
How about this twist on the deal
Rozier + #27
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Chriss + #16 + #59
I agree Chriss is a risk but if BS can work his magic the reward might be worth it. Joining a more mature established team is his only real hope of reaching his potential. Turning the #27 into #16 and #59 will give the Cs a chance to draft a player much more likely to have a long term impact at 16 and 59 is a great pick to procure a preferred 2 way contract player.
At this point mock drafts are all over the place but players like Zhaire Smith, Jontay Porter, Mitch Robinson, or Robert Williams could be available
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Rozier (and our pick #27, if necessary) for a first round pick in the 10-14 range that results in the drafting of Texas A&M center Robert Williams.
Go after Mikal Bridges.
Why would we go after a 6'7" wing?
Because he wouldn't be a wing. Although, I don't want to give up Rozier, but I'm okay with Brown, and Kyrie Irving each eating up 1 and 2 minutes.
Bridges could become the best pure 3-and-D player in the NBA. Even the best players in that mold tend to favor one side of the ball. Bridges has a chance to be one of the best shooters and one of the best defenders in the league. How valuable would Andre Roberson be with ball skills and an elite 3-point shot? How about Wayne Ellington if he was a perennial All-Defensive team selection? As one NBA executive who likes Bridges told me, he’s the only player in this year’s lottery whose floor is a guy who could play big minutes in the Finals.
If he adds 5-10 pounds in 1-2 years, he could inevitably become one of the best 3 and D players suited to be able to switch on everything with his 7'3 wingspan. Also I don't see why Hayward can't play the 2, or even the 1. Our entire offense is built on sharing the ball, taking good shots, and cutting.
Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
I want no part of Chriss, he's largely been a lazy foul machine. Bender has looked a bit better, but still the Suns stink is real....
If we're trading Rozier I'd rather it be for a pick than a player entering his third rookie scale year. The appeal in my mind is to move back the clock before you have to pay a premium for production, and translate a good PG into another position of need.
How about this twist on the deal
Rozier + #27
for
Chriss + #16 + #59
I agree Chriss is a risk but if BS can work his magic the reward might be worth it. Joining a more mature established team is his only real hope of reaching his potential. Turning the #27 into #16 and #59 will give the Cs a chance to draft a player much more likely to have a long term impact at 16 and 59 is a great pick to procure a preferred 2 way contract player.
At this point mock drafts are all over the place but players like Zhaire Smith, Jontay Porter, Mitch Robinson, or Robert Williams could be available
I'm not giving up Rozier for someone who's been such a talented but absolute head case. When you cannot control your own emotions and you argue with an assistant coach, I think it's time to go.
That being said, I still don't want to trade Rozier anyways. Rozay should stay, but he deserves to start somewhere else..
Man these emotions.
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Rozier (and our pick #27, if necessary) for a first round pick in the 10-14 range that results in the drafting of Texas A&M center Robert Williams.
Go after Mikal Bridges.
Why would we go after a 6'7" wing?
Because he wouldn't be a wing. Although, I don't want to give up Rozier, but I'm okay with Brown, and Kyrie Irving each eating up 1 and 2 minutes.
Bridges could become the best pure 3-and-D player in the NBA. Even the best players in that mold tend to favor one side of the ball. Bridges has a chance to be one of the best shooters and one of the best defenders in the league. How valuable would Andre Roberson be with ball skills and an elite 3-point shot? How about Wayne Ellington if he was a perennial All-Defensive team selection? As one NBA executive who likes Bridges told me, he’s the only player in this year’s lottery whose floor is a guy who could play big minutes in the Finals.
If he adds 5-10 pounds in 1-2 years, he could inevitably become one of the best 3 and D players suited to be able to switch on everything with his 7'3 wingspan. Also I don't see why Hayward can't play the 2, or even the 1. Our entire offense is built on sharing the ball, taking good shots, and cutting.
Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
I want no part of Chriss, he's largely been a lazy foul machine. Bender has looked a bit better, but still the Suns stink is real....
If we're trading Rozier I'd rather it be for a pick than a player entering his third rookie scale year. The appeal in my mind is to move back the clock before you have to pay a premium for production, and translate a good PG into another position of need.
How about this twist on the deal
Rozier + #27
for
Chriss + #16 + #59
I agree Chriss is a risk but if BS can work his magic the reward might be worth it. Joining a more mature established team is his only real hope of reaching his potential. Turning the #27 into #16 and #59 will give the Cs a chance to draft a player much more likely to have a long term impact at 16 and 59 is a great pick to procure a preferred 2 way contract player.
At this point mock drafts are all over the place but players like Zhaire Smith, Jontay Porter, Mitch Robinson, or Robert Williams could be available
I'm not giving up Rozier for someone who's been such a talented but absolute head case. When you cannot control your own emotions and you argue with an assistant coach, I think it's time to go.
That being said, I still don't want to trade Rozier anyways. Rozay should stay, but he deserves to start somewhere else..
Man these emotions.
I agree having to trade Rozier stinks and I would love to see him stay a Celtic but it just isn't going to work long term.
I also agree Chriss isn't an ideal return but its really hard to find a trade that makes sense that doesn't involve a major overhaul like a Rozier and Brown for Kawhi type deal ( i hope the Cs run fare away from that).
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Rozier (and our pick #27, if necessary) for a first round pick in the 10-14 range that results in the drafting of Texas A&M center Robert Williams.
Go after Mikal Bridges.
Why would we go after a 6'7" wing?
Because he wouldn't be a wing. Although, I don't want to give up Rozier, but I'm okay with Brown, and Kyrie Irving each eating up 1 and 2 minutes.
Bridges could become the best pure 3-and-D player in the NBA. Even the best players in that mold tend to favor one side of the ball. Bridges has a chance to be one of the best shooters and one of the best defenders in the league. How valuable would Andre Roberson be with ball skills and an elite 3-point shot? How about Wayne Ellington if he was a perennial All-Defensive team selection? As one NBA executive who likes Bridges told me, he’s the only player in this year’s lottery whose floor is a guy who could play big minutes in the Finals.
If he adds 5-10 pounds in 1-2 years, he could inevitably become one of the best 3 and D players suited to be able to switch on everything with his 7'3 wingspan. Also I don't see why Hayward can't play the 2, or even the 1. Our entire offense is built on sharing the ball, taking good shots, and cutting.
Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
I want no part of Chriss, he's largely been a lazy foul machine. Bender has looked a bit better, but still the Suns stink is real....
If we're trading Rozier I'd rather it be for a pick than a player entering his third rookie scale year. The appeal in my mind is to move back the clock before you have to pay a premium for production, and translate a good PG into another position of need.
How about this twist on the deal
Rozier + #27
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Chriss + #16 + #59
I agree Chriss is a risk but if BS can work his magic the reward might be worth it. Joining a more mature established team is his only real hope of reaching his potential. Turning the #27 into #16 and #59 will give the Cs a chance to draft a player much more likely to have a long term impact at 16 and 59 is a great pick to procure a preferred 2 way contract player.
At this point mock drafts are all over the place but players like Zhaire Smith, Jontay Porter, Mitch Robinson, or Robert Williams could be available
I'm not giving up Rozier for someone who's been such a talented but absolute head case. When you cannot control your own emotions and you argue with an assistant coach, I think it's time to go.
That being said, I still don't want to trade Rozier anyways. Rozay should stay, but he deserves to start somewhere else..
Man these emotions.
I agree having to trade Rozier stinks and I would love to see him stay a Celtic but it just isn't going to work long term.
I also agree Chriss isn't an ideal return but its really hard to find a trade that makes sense that doesn't involve a major overhaul like a Rozier and Brown for Kawhi type deal ( i hope the Cs run fare away from that).
No one wants to see Rozier go, but keeping him means stranding somebody on the bench next year. There aren't enough minutes for Smart, Rozier and Morris to all stay active. A trade with Rozier and picks that gets us Jackson, Bamba or Carter this year would be perfect. A Myles Turner trade might also be an outside possibility. Indiana doesn't seem to know how to develop him.
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Rozier (and our pick #27, if necessary) for a first round pick in the 10-14 range that results in the drafting of Texas A&M center Robert Williams.
Go after Mikal Bridges.
Why would we go after a 6'7" wing?
Because he wouldn't be a wing. Although, I don't want to give up Rozier, but I'm okay with Brown, and Kyrie Irving each eating up 1 and 2 minutes.
Bridges could become the best pure 3-and-D player in the NBA. Even the best players in that mold tend to favor one side of the ball. Bridges has a chance to be one of the best shooters and one of the best defenders in the league. How valuable would Andre Roberson be with ball skills and an elite 3-point shot? How about Wayne Ellington if he was a perennial All-Defensive team selection? As one NBA executive who likes Bridges told me, he’s the only player in this year’s lottery whose floor is a guy who could play big minutes in the Finals.
If he adds 5-10 pounds in 1-2 years, he could inevitably become one of the best 3 and D players suited to be able to switch on everything with his 7'3 wingspan. Also I don't see why Hayward can't play the 2, or even the 1. Our entire offense is built on sharing the ball, taking good shots, and cutting.
Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
I want no part of Chriss, he's largely been a lazy foul machine. Bender has looked a bit better, but still the Suns stink is real....
If we're trading Rozier I'd rather it be for a pick than a player entering his third rookie scale year. The appeal in my mind is to move back the clock before you have to pay a premium for production, and translate a good PG into another position of need.
How about this twist on the deal
Rozier + #27
for
Chriss + #16 + #59
I agree Chriss is a risk but if BS can work his magic the reward might be worth it. Joining a more mature established team is his only real hope of reaching his potential. Turning the #27 into #16 and #59 will give the Cs a chance to draft a player much more likely to have a long term impact at 16 and 59 is a great pick to procure a preferred 2 way contract player.
At this point mock drafts are all over the place but players like Zhaire Smith, Jontay Porter, Mitch Robinson, or Robert Williams could be available
I'm not giving up Rozier for someone who's been such a talented but absolute head case. When you cannot control your own emotions and you argue with an assistant coach, I think it's time to go.
That being said, I still don't want to trade Rozier anyways. Rozay should stay, but he deserves to start somewhere else..
Man these emotions.
I agree having to trade Rozier stinks and I would love to see him stay a Celtic but it just isn't going to work long term.
I also agree Chriss isn't an ideal return but its really hard to find a trade that makes sense that doesn't involve a major overhaul like a Rozier and Brown for Kawhi type deal ( i hope the Cs run fare away from that).
No one wants to see Rozier go, but keeping him means stranding somebody on the bench next year. There aren't enough minutes for Smart, Rozier and Morris to all stay active. A trade with Rozier and picks that gets us Jackson, Bamba or Carter this year would be perfect. A Myles Turner trade might also be an outside possibility. Indiana doesn't seem to know how to develop him.
Pacers are definitely not going to trade Turner any time soon... He's definitely talented, and the Pacers are now just adjusting to realize that Turner can be best suited as the secondary option, and not the primary option. Oladipo has proven that.
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Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
I want no part of Chriss, he's largely been a lazy foul machine. Bender has looked a bit better, but still the Suns stink is real....
If we're trading Rozier I'd rather it be for a pick than a player entering his third rookie scale year. The appeal in my mind is to move back the clock before you have to pay a premium for production, and translate a good PG into another position of need.
How about this twist on the deal
Rozier + #27
for
Chriss + #16 + #59
I agree Chriss is a risk but if BS can work his magic the reward might be worth it. Joining a more mature established team is his only real hope of reaching his potential. Turning the #27 into #16 and #59 will give the Cs a chance to draft a player much more likely to have a long term impact at 16 and 59 is a great pick to procure a preferred 2 way contract player.
At this point mock drafts are all over the place but players like Zhaire Smith, Jontay Porter, Mitch Robinson, or Robert Williams could be available
No, zero interest in Chriss, and moving up 11 slots isn't that much value in my mind.
I'd probably be okay with Rozier for a pick in the 10-16 range if the C's have a target they like in that range. (Think George Hill/Kahwi trade as the template though the result was obviously an outlier)
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I'm not sure we know his trade value yet. Let's say his stats remain where they are through the end of the playoffs. And let's also dream big - we make it deep into the ECF and Terry plays a major role in a few wins with big fourth quarter performances. What is it worth to get a point guard like that - who can get an efficient 19 ppg (over 60% TS), get 6.6 assists/game (vs. only 1.6 TOs), and also grab 4.8 boards/game? Did I mention he also plays solid defense and he's just 23? Obviously, small sample size. But the sample size for a draft pick is zero.
Honestly, I still lean toward keeping him. Yes, we might lose him at the end of the year, but he really improves our odds of winning the title, and that title is (a) the goal, and (b) forever. Might be worth it, especially until we know how Kyrie's knee is going to be.
But I don't think we would be asking to much if we wanted a pick in the 7-10 range in exchange for something like Rozier plus Boston's 2018 or another pick other than the 18LAL/19SAC pick. How many players chosen in that range make it to the level Terry has already reached - and shows plenty of signs he'll go higher? Not just a leader, but a leader in the playoffs. Wouldn't Orlando or Sacramento be tempted by a guy like that? If we could pay Terry, and we were just considering basketball value, I would really think hard about making the trade. This is a timing/contract play at reasonable value.
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I don't even know who Troy Daniels is
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/1/17307820/terry-rozier-meteoric-rise-sets-him-up-as-the-perfect-trade-target-this-summer-for-phoenix-suns-nba
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Troy daniels plus three first round picks? I could see that. It would probably make a lot of sense for both teams.
Mark me though as one would would rather see us trade Irving for a STAR 5 than trade Rozier at this point. Irving's health is too big a concern for me, and I think TR is going to be a star on both ends of the floor.
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Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
are you Eddie20?
Bender and Chriss are terrible
I wouldn't trade Rozier even for both
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Crazy idea, but would the Cavs be willing to deal the nets pick back to us if we give them rozier+Memphis or lakers pick ?
The Cavs are really bad at point guard, and might need a full time young ball handler once Lebrons gone... George Hill is a lot older.
Lebron thinks very highly of rozier. Also terry is from Ohio.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTNCqG5W4AI-A8R?format=jpg)
Moving terry would help relieve the point guard clog we have and get us the big we need from the draft ( bamba, carter, or Jackson) . Would the Cavs be willing to deal with trader Danny again after what happened? Haha
Alright wishful thinking over
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Crazy idea, but would the Cavs be willing to deal the nets pick back to us if we give them rozier+Memphis or lakers pick ?
The Cavs are really bad at point guard, and might need a full time young ball handler once Lebrons gone... George Hill is a lot older.
Lebron thinks very highly of rozier. Also terry is from Ohio.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTNCqG5W4AI-A8R?format=jpg)
Moving terry would help relieve the point guard clog we have and get us the big we need from the draft ( bamba, carter, or Jackson) . Would the Cavs be willing to deal with trader Danny again after what happened? Haha
Alright wishful thinking over
The Lakers/Memphis may well be better than the Cleveland pick so no.
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not seeing the defensive upside for Sabonis. His offensive game is solid but the poor wingspan and athleticism will limit his potential to contribute on a championship team. Mediocre defending bigs don't fare well at the highest levels of this sport.
Rozier has greater upside and probably more trade value.
Whether we keep or trade him, IMO Rozier is more likely to get us closer to banner #18.
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Bender and Chriss are terrible
I wouldn't trade Rozier even for both
Yep, and you can bet Ainge does not want them either.
Troy daniels plus three first round picks? I could see that. It would probably make a lot of sense for both teams.
I doubt they would give up three firsts and your trading our best bench scorer when Kyrie comes back for probables and a three point shooter that does not put up a ton of points.
I think they would offer a player and their number 16 pick. This is not NBA live and they are not giving up a chance at Ayton for Terry.
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Bender is 3.5 years younger than Rozier and performed better than Rozier in each of their 1st 2 seasons. I could absolutely see Ainge acquire him for Rozier.
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Bender is 3.5 years younger than Rozier and performed better than Rozier in each of their 1st 2 seasons. I could absolutely see Ainge acquire him for Rozier.
The difference is that rosier played for a basketball team and Bender played for a circus. In Boston he wouldn't have seen any playtime
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Crazy idea, but would the Cavs be willing to deal the nets pick back to us if we give them rozier+Memphis or lakers pick ?
The Cavs are really bad at point guard, and might need a full time young ball handler once Lebrons gone... George Hill is a lot older.
Lebron thinks very highly of rozier. Also terry is from Ohio.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTNCqG5W4AI-A8R?format=jpg)
Moving terry would help relieve the point guard clog we have and get us the big we need from the draft ( bamba, carter, or Jackson) . Would the Cavs be willing to deal with trader Danny again after what happened? Haha
Alright wishful thinking over
If Jackson or Bamba are still on the board at 8, I think you make the trade. I love Rozier, and I love what he brings to this team, but we ARE going to lose him in a year. He will be waaayyy too expensive to keep along with Kyrie/ our wing brigade. Meanwhile you have 4+ years to see if Bamba/Jackson are the heir apparent to Horford's anchor role.
If one of those 2 are sitting there at 8, I would trade Rozier + the clippers OR Memphis pick. If you have to include the Celtics Pick this year, that could be an interesting trade.
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Crazy idea, but would the Cavs be willing to deal the nets pick back to us if we give them rozier+Memphis or lakers pick ?
The Cavs are really bad at point guard, and might need a full time young ball handler once Lebrons gone... George Hill is a lot older.
Lebron thinks very highly of rozier. Also terry is from Ohio.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTNCqG5W4AI-A8R?format=jpg)
Moving terry would help relieve the point guard clog we have and get us the big we need from the draft ( bamba, carter, or Jackson) . Would the Cavs be willing to deal with trader Danny again after what happened? Haha
Alright wishful thinking over
If Jackson or Bamba are still on the board at 8, I think you make the trade. I love Rozier, and I love what he brings to this team, but we ARE going to lose him in a year. He will be waaayyy too expensive to keep along with Kyrie/ our wing brigade. Meanwhile you have 4+ years to see if Bamba/Jackson are the heir apparent to Horford's anchor role.
If one of those 2 are sitting there at 8, I would trade Rozier + the clippers OR Memphis pick. If you have to include the Celtics Pick this year, that could be an interesting trade.
That's exactly what I think! I'm especially high on bamba, and think he could be DPOY some day!
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Bender is 3.5 years younger than Rozier and performed better than Rozier in each of their 1st 2 seasons. I could absolutely see Ainge acquire him for Rozier.
The difference is that rosier played for a basketball team and Bender played for a circus. In Boston he wouldn't have seen any playtime
Or maybe in Boston under a real coach, Bender explodes and lives up to his talent. Remember we are talking about a guy who was incredibly young and raw, coming to a new country, and playing for a team in chaos, yet he still was able to show marked improvement across the board from year 1 to year 2. Imagine getting him some real coaching on a structured team.
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Bender is 3.5 years younger than Rozier and performed better than Rozier in each of their 1st 2 seasons. I could absolutely see Ainge acquire him for Rozier.
The difference is that rosier played for a basketball team and Bender played for a circus. In Boston he wouldn't have seen any playtime
Or maybe in Boston under a real coach, Bender explodes and lives up to his talent. Remember we are talking about a guy who was incredibly young and raw, coming to a new country, and playing for a team in chaos, yet he still was able to show marked improvement across the board from year 1 to year 2. Imagine getting him some real coaching on a structured team.
In fairness, that's not exactly hard when year 1 is of the "this couldn't possibly be any worse" variety.
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Bender is 3.5 years younger than Rozier and performed better than Rozier in each of their 1st 2 seasons. I could absolutely see Ainge acquire him for Rozier
The whole problem with this line of thinking is Ainge wants to win, not sign guys who folks drank the kool-aid on. We are going to try to make a title run next year and don't need the dead weight at the end of the bench. We'd be better served to ask for a veteran that can play.
Really, what has he shown as a pro that Ainge would want? Ainge usually signs these bust type guys for the Gleague team. I know you like the guy, but the hype train has crashed.
25 MPG = 6.5 PPG at a .39% FG shooting and .37% 3p shooting and 4.4 RPG .3 SPG and .6 BPG with a 7.1 PER and 0.1 WS
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bendedr01.html
I know we all fall for players in the draft. I for one can admit when I was wrong about a guy.
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Bender is 3.5 years younger than Rozier and performed better than Rozier in each of their 1st 2 seasons. I could absolutely see Ainge acquire him for Rozier.
The difference is that rosier played for a basketball team and Bender played for a circus. In Boston he wouldn't have seen any playtime
Or maybe in Boston under a real coach, Bender explodes and lives up to his talent. Remember we are talking about a guy who was incredibly young and raw, coming to a new country, and playing for a team in chaos, yet he still was able to show marked improvement across the board from year 1 to year 2. Imagine getting him some real coaching on a structured team.
You know, I don't hate this trade. If Celtics chose to resign Smart, I assume Terry is gone it a year anyway. Even if they don't he might leave anyway, as he has said he'd like to start.
Bender feels like a guy who could fit in Boston. Moves pretty well, nice touch from 3 point line.
He's young enough that I could see Stevens turning him into a Kelly O type player, which wouldn't be half bad.
I haven't watched enough of him to know about his D, but offensively I think he could fit well.
How is is D for anyone who has watched him play?
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Hold onto Rozier for as long as possible for 2 reasons:
1. Kyrie insurance, in case he reinsures knee/not the same/decides to leave team after next season.
2. Valuable chip to offer in AD/KL trade.
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Bender is 3.5 years younger than Rozier and performed better than Rozier in each of their 1st 2 seasons. I could absolutely see Ainge acquire him for Rozier
The whole problem with this line of thinking is Ainge wants to win, not sign guys who folks drank the kool-aid on. We are going to try to make a title run next year and don't need the dead weight at the end of the bench. We'd be better served to ask for a veteran that can play.
Really, what has he shown as a pro that Ainge would want? Ainge usually signs these bust type guys for the Gleague team. I know you like the guy, but the hype train has crashed.
25 MPG = 6.5 PPG at a .39% FG shooting and .37% 3p shooting and 4.4 RPG .3 SPG and .6 BPG with a 7.1 PER and 0.1 WS
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bendedr01.html
I know we all fall for players in the draft. I for one can admit when I was wrong about a guy.
Leaving me all alone on the Bender island? :D
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not impossible i suppose
remember Danny is always working and planning the next big deal.
I sure he is watching several young players , including Fultz , should he stumble more and fall out of favor in Philly.
I had a gut feeling DA was going after Kyrie , even though logic said different because why would Cavs help their enemy . The longer it played out the more certain i was Kyrie was gonna be a Celtic.
These situations , having the assets ready to pounce is where DA patience pays off. He figures there is always a deal to be made that will favor him.
i think he wants a future 1 st 2020 or something along those lines.....he can use down the road
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Why trade Rozier when he's a younger, healthier, cheaper, and better 2 way player than Kyrie?
If you want to keep Brown and Tatum how are we paying these guys if we have 3 max contracts (Horford, Hayward, Irving)?
Rozier is young but he's shown he can hit big shots and REBOUND and play DEFENSE.
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Why trade Rozier when he's a younger, healthier, cheaper, and better 2 way player than Kyrie?
If you want to keep Brown and Tatum how are we paying these guys if we have 3 max contracts (Horford, Hayward, Irving)?
Rozier is young but he's shown he can hit big shots and REBOUND and play DEFENSE.
^This. TP
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Bender is 3.5 years younger than Rozier and performed better than Rozier in each of their 1st 2 seasons. I could absolutely see Ainge acquire him for Rozier
The whole problem with this line of thinking is Ainge wants to win, not sign guys who folks drank the kool-aid on. We are going to try to make a title run next year and don't need the dead weight at the end of the bench. We'd be better served to ask for a veteran that can play.
Really, what has he shown as a pro that Ainge would want? Ainge usually signs these bust type guys for the Gleague team. I know you like the guy, but the hype train has crashed.
25 MPG = 6.5 PPG at a .39% FG shooting and .37% 3p shooting and 4.4 RPG .3 SPG and .6 BPG with a 7.1 PER and 0.1 WS
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bendedr01.html
I know we all fall for players in the draft. I for one can admit when I was wrong about a guy.
Those numbers aren't that bad for a guy that won't even turn 21 till November and was considered incredibly raw as a foreign draft pick.
The reality is, if Boston brings Smart back and enters next year with Irving, Smart, and Brown as the 1st 3 guards, there just isn't much space for Rozier and he will likely be gone following the year. On the flip side, there is absolutely a spot in the rotation for a 7' that can shoot pretty well from the outside, disrupt some shots, and still has a ton of potential to grow.
I think something like Rozier, Yabusele, and 27 for Bender, Ullis, and 16 would be a trade that makes sense for both teams.
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Bender is 3.5 years younger than Rozier and performed better than Rozier in each of their 1st 2 seasons. I could absolutely see Ainge acquire him for Rozier
The whole problem with this line of thinking is Ainge wants to win, not sign guys who folks drank the kool-aid on. We are going to try to make a title run next year and don't need the dead weight at the end of the bench. We'd be better served to ask for a veteran that can play.
Really, what has he shown as a pro that Ainge would want? Ainge usually signs these bust type guys for the Gleague team. I know you like the guy, but the hype train has crashed.
25 MPG = 6.5 PPG at a .39% FG shooting and .37% 3p shooting and 4.4 RPG .3 SPG and .6 BPG with a 7.1 PER and 0.1 WS
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bendedr01.html
I know we all fall for players in the draft. I for one can admit when I was wrong about a guy.
Those numbers aren't that bad for a guy that won't even turn 21 till November and was considered incredibly raw as a foreign draft pick.
The reality is, if Boston brings Smart back and enters next year with Irving, Smart, and Brown as the 1st 3 guards, there just isn't much space for Rozier and he will likely be gone following the year. On the flip side, there is absolutely a spot in the rotation for a 7' that can shoot pretty well from the outside, disrupt some shots, and still has a ton of potential to grow.
I think something like Rozier, Yabusele, and 27 for Bender, Ullis, and 16 would be a trade that makes sense for both teams.
Maybe for Rozier before the playoffs, not now. Kyrie should be moved if anything, he gets more assets/players to help the team , and Rozier can produce around what 70% Kyrie gives us on offense while being considerably better on defense.
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Why trade Rozier when he's a younger, healthier, cheaper, and better 2 way player than Kyrie?
If you want to keep Brown and Tatum how are we paying these guys if we have 3 max contracts (Horford, Hayward, Irving)?
Rozier is young but he's shown he can hit big shots and REBOUND and play DEFENSE.
^This. TP
LOL. Yeah, that's technically true. In the same way in which Daniel Theis is a "younger healthier, cheaper and better 2 way player" than Kevin Love.
Also, Irving is just two years older than Rozier, in case you wondered.
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Why trade Rozier when he's a younger, healthier, cheaper, and better 2 way player than Kyrie?
If you want to keep Brown and Tatum how are we paying these guys if we have 3 max contracts (Horford, Hayward, Irving)?
Rozier is young but he's shown he can hit big shots and REBOUND and play DEFENSE.
^This. TP
LOL. Yeah, that's technically true. In the same way in which Daniel Theis is a "younger healthier, cheaper and better 2 way player" than Kevin Love.
Also, Irving is just two years older than Rozier, in case you wondered.
Rofl. TP
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Feels like Rozier is the kind of baller who would make you regret letting him go. Would hate to trade him away and then he becomes the next Oladipo.
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Also, by the time you need to pay Brown and Tatum, Horford and Hayward will be getting off the books. Frankly, I'll have no problem letting a 34-year-old Horford and 32-year-old Hayward go if we can't find workable contracts for them at that point...
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Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
are you Eddie20?
Bender and Chriss are terrible
I wouldn't trade Rozier even for both
I’m not sure what I think of Chriss, but he definitely has potential and I’ve seen him make some big plays to win a game on both ends of the floor already in his young career. Interesting thought.
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Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
are you Eddie20?
Bender and Chriss are terrible
I wouldn't trade Rozier even for both
I’m not sure what I think of Chriss, but he definitely has potential and I’ve seen him make some big plays to win a game on both ends of the floor already in his young career. Interesting thought.
I can't imagine anyone in the league being less Celtic then Chriss. Low IQ, little skill, big vertical, so-so laterally.
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Also, by the time you need to pay Brown and Tatum, Horford and Hayward will be getting off the books. Frankly, I'll have no problem letting a 34-year-old Horford and 32-year-old Hayward go if we can't find workable contracts for them at that point...
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Call me crazy, but I feel like Hayward and Horford have the type of personalities that would be willing to take extremely team friendly deals. We have already made both of them hundred millionaires, so let them stay in our rotations as they age. They could get to compete for titles every year while being a stabilizing presence for our youth.
I just don't believe that Horford or Hayward at that stage would go to a lesser franchise for huge money.
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Also, by the time you need to pay Brown and Tatum, Horford and Hayward will be getting off the books. Frankly, I'll have no problem letting a 34-year-old Horford and 32-year-old Hayward go if we can't find workable contracts for them at that point...
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Call me crazy, but I feel like Hayward and Horford have the type of personalities that would be willing to take extremely team friendly deals. We have already made both of them hundred millionaires, so let them stay in our rotations as they age. They could get to compete for titles every year while being a stabilizing presence for our youth.
I just don't believe that Horford or Hayward at that stage would go to a lesser franchise for huge money.
I hear that. But if Jayson, Jaylen, and Kyrie develop the way we hope, that's three max contracts. Even if Horford and Hayward are willing to offer a steep discount - $15M/year? - those five contracts put the Cs way over the cap and they still need to sign 10(!) more players to the roster. I don't think that's tenable.
(Check my cap math here - this is rough - but I'm pretty sure it's right.)
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Also, by the time you need to pay Brown and Tatum, Horford and Hayward will be getting off the books. Frankly, I'll have no problem letting a 34-year-old Horford and 32-year-old Hayward go if we can't find workable contracts for them at that point...
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Call me crazy, but I feel like Hayward and Horford have the type of personalities that would be willing to take extremely team friendly deals. We have already made both of them hundred millionaires, so let them stay in our rotations as they age. They could get to compete for titles every year while being a stabilizing presence for our youth.
I just don't believe that Horford or Hayward at that stage would go to a lesser franchise for huge money.
I hear that. But if Jayson, Jaylen, and Kyrie develop the way we hope, that's three max contracts. Even if Horford and Hayward are willing to offer a steep discount - $15M/year? - those five contracts put the Cs way over the cap and they still need to sign 10(!) more players to the roster. I don't think that's tenable.
(Check my cap math here - this is rough - but I'm pretty sure it's right.)
After their contracts are up, do we own the Bird Rights of Hayward and Horford?
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Also, by the time you need to pay Brown and Tatum, Horford and Hayward will be getting off the books. Frankly, I'll have no problem letting a 34-year-old Horford and 32-year-old Hayward go if we can't find workable contracts for them at that point...
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Call me crazy, but I feel like Hayward and Horford have the type of personalities that would be willing to take extremely team friendly deals. We have already made both of them hundred millionaires, so let them stay in our rotations as they age. They could get to compete for titles every year while being a stabilizing presence for our youth.
I just don't believe that Horford or Hayward at that stage would go to a lesser franchise for huge money.
I hear that. But if Jayson, Jaylen, and Kyrie develop the way we hope, that's three max contracts. Even if Horford and Hayward are willing to offer a steep discount - $15M/year? - those five contracts put the Cs way over the cap and they still need to sign 10(!) more players to the roster. I don't think that's tenable.
(Check my cap math here - this is rough - but I'm pretty sure it's right.)
After their contracts are up, do we own the Bird Rights of Hayward and Horford?
yep (I believe it is 3 years unless traded)
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Bird rights are earned after a player has been on his current contract for 3 years, that is when a team may exceed the cap to sign him. Both signed 4 year deals with the fourth year being a player option so the C's can keep this entire team together.
(But its going to get incredibly expensive fast)
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Also, by the time you need to pay Brown and Tatum, Horford and Hayward will be getting off the books. Frankly, I'll have no problem letting a 34-year-old Horford and 32-year-old Hayward go if we can't find workable contracts for them at that point...
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Call me crazy, but I feel like Hayward and Horford have the type of personalities that would be willing to take extremely team friendly deals. We have already made both of them hundred millionaires, so let them stay in our rotations as they age. They could get to compete for titles every year while being a stabilizing presence for our youth.
I just don't believe that Horford or Hayward at that stage would go to a lesser franchise for huge money.
I hear that. But if Jayson, Jaylen, and Kyrie develop the way we hope, that's three max contracts. Even if Horford and Hayward are willing to offer a steep discount - $15M/year? - those five contracts put the Cs way over the cap and they still need to sign 10(!) more players to the roster. I don't think that's tenable.
(Check my cap math here - this is rough - but I'm pretty sure it's right.)
After their contracts are up, do we own the Bird Rights of Hayward and Horford?
yep (I believe it is 3 years unless traded)
Bird rights are earned after a player has been on his current contract for 3 years, that is when a team may exceed the cap to sign him. Both signed 4 year deals with the fourth year being a player option so the C's can keep this entire team together.
(But its going to get incredibly expensive fast)
TP to you both.
And yeah it depends on Wyc, since it's his money.
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Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
are you Eddie20?
Bender and Chriss are terrible
I wouldn't trade Rozier even for both
I’m not sure what I think of Chriss, but he definitely has potential and I’ve seen him make some big plays to win a game on both ends of the floor already in his young career. Interesting thought.
I can't imagine anyone in the league being less Celtic then Chriss. Low IQ, little skill, big vertical, so-so laterally.
I know what you mean, but I’m not sure. He’s playing on the worst team in the league and first had an awful coach in one year of college (like Jaylen), then a year of an awful nba coach, and now an interim coach. I’m not surprised about the IQ but we said the same thing about Jaylen & Terry in years 1 and at least part of year 2. So I’m not sure if Chriss is limited by himself or his environment.
And the guy has skills. He has range, great rebounder, I’ve seen him make great defensive plays only a handful of guys can make, etc. I’m not sure why he’s automatically less of a Celtic than Bender, who can’t play defense and might have 3 point range but doesn’t make them enough. Chriss easily has as much upside as Bender.
That said, don’t call me bullish on Chriss (or even bearish on Bender). I could see Chriss out of the league in 5 years, or I could see him as a 15-10 guy with 2 blocks a game.
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Another idea
Rozier to the Suns for Bender or Chriss
Makes some sense for the Suns they have struggled to really develop both players and unless they draft Doncic they are likely bringing in another young big.
For the Cs they would be able to add a raw but dynamic big man project who is still on his rookie deal. The Cs where rumored to have interest in Chriss around draft time.
are you Eddie20?
Bender and Chriss are terrible
I wouldn't trade Rozier even for both
I’m not sure what I think of Chriss, but he definitely has potential and I’ve seen him make some big plays to win a game on both ends of the floor already in his young career. Interesting thought.
I can't imagine anyone in the league being less Celtic then Chriss. Low IQ, little skill, big vertical, so-so laterally.
I know what you mean, but I’m not sure. He’s playing on the worst team in the league and first had an awful coach in one year of college (like Jaylen), then a year of an awful nba coach, and now an interim coach. I’m not surprised about the IQ but we said the same thing about Jaylen & Terry in years 1 and at least part of year 2. So I’m not sure if Chriss is limited by himself or his environment.
And the guy has skills. He has range, great rebounder, I’ve seen him make great defensive plays only a handful of guys can make, etc. I’m not sure why he’s automatically less of a Celtic than Bender, who can’t play defense and might have 3 point range but doesn’t make them enough. Chriss easily has as much upside as Bender.
That said, don’t call me bullish on Chriss (or even bearish on Bender). I could see Chriss out of the league in 5 years, or I could see him as a 15-10 guy with 2 blocks a game.
Is Chris gonna be any better than a Thaddeus Young?
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When I have watched the Suns, Chriss looks like he's asleep most of the time and then he tries to make a crazy play to make up for not paying attention and fouls.
That's pretty much it. If I were the Suns I'd be delighted if he ended up as good as Young at this point.
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Also, by the time you need to pay Brown and Tatum, Horford and Hayward will be getting off the books. Frankly, I'll have no problem letting a 34-year-old Horford and 32-year-old Hayward go if we can't find workable contracts for them at that point...
::) ::) ::)
Call me crazy, but I feel like Hayward and Horford have the type of personalities that would be willing to take extremely team friendly deals. We have already made both of them hundred millionaires, so let them stay in our rotations as they age. They could get to compete for titles every year while being a stabilizing presence for our youth.
I just don't believe that Horford or Hayward at that stage would go to a lesser franchise for huge money.
I hear that. But if Jayson, Jaylen, and Kyrie develop the way we hope, that's three max contracts. Even if Horford and Hayward are willing to offer a steep discount - $15M/year? - those five contracts put the Cs way over the cap and they still need to sign 10(!) more players to the roster. I don't think that's tenable.
(Check my cap math here - this is rough - but I'm pretty sure it's right.)
After their contracts are up, do we own the Bird Rights of Hayward and Horford?
yep (I believe it is 3 years unless traded)
Bird rights are earned after a player has been on his current contract for 3 years, that is when a team may exceed the cap to sign him. Both signed 4 year deals with the fourth year being a player option so the C's can keep this entire team together.
(But its going to get incredibly expensive fast)
TP to you both.
And yeah it depends on Wyc, since it's his money.
Yeah. But if they’re in the luxury a few years it’s a heck of a lot of money. And there are limits on getting a bench together - like being limited to half the exception if we go over the apron.
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When I have watched the Suns, Chriss looks like he's asleep most of the time and then he tries to make a crazy play to make up for not paying attention and fouls.
That's pretty much it. If I were the Suns I'd be delighted if he ended up as good as Young at this point.
Yep and the work ethic was a major concern entering the draft for Chriss. Bender has way more top end potential. That doesn't mean Chriss won't end up better, but if you were offered either Bender or Chriss, I think everyone would take Bender.
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When I have watched the Suns, Chriss looks like he's asleep most of the time and then he tries to make a crazy play to make up for not paying attention and fouls.
That's pretty much it. If I were the Suns I'd be delighted if he ended up as good as Young at this point.
Yep and the work ethic was a major concern entering the draft for Chriss. Bender has way more top end potential. That doesn't mean Chriss won't end up better, but if you were offered either Bender or Chriss, I think everyone would take Bender.
Yeah, I’m sure literally everyone would take the 2nd year player who isn’t athletic, can’t play defense, had fewer points and rebounds and posted .1 WS and a PER of 7 in his second year. Chriss’s work ethic element is certainly concerning, though.
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When I have watched the Suns, Chriss looks like he's asleep most of the time and then he tries to make a crazy play to make up for not paying attention and fouls.
That's pretty much it. If I were the Suns I'd be delighted if he ended up as good as Young at this point.
Yep and the work ethic was a major concern entering the draft for Chriss. Bender has way more top end potential. That doesn't mean Chriss won't end up better, but if you were offered either Bender or Chriss, I think everyone would take Bender.
Yeah, I’m sure literally everyone would take the 2nd year player who isn’t athletic, can’t play defense, had fewer points and rebounds and posted .1 WS and a PER of 7 in his second year. Chriss’s work ethic element is certainly concerning, though.
If you watch Bender, what makes his potential special is the same thing that makes Al Horford special.
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Why trade a guy who gives 20 6 6 every game and plays good defence... if someone is fool enough to give a young stud and a high pick...
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Those numbers aren't that bad for a guy that won't even turn 21 till November and was considered incredibly raw as a foreign draft pick.
They are not good either, he was a very poor performer for a number 4 pick. Now he has room to grow, and is a work in progress. He may or may not pan out.
Not many men make it to the NBA Androslav and Bender is one of the rare ones that has and that makes him better than almost 99.9% of the basketball world...
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Think DA
will do
Brown and Rozier
Fir
Leonard ?
Leonard m Tatum, Irving , and Horford , Hayward. ....long strong lineup.
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When I have watched the Suns, Chriss looks like he's asleep most of the time and then he tries to make a crazy play to make up for not paying attention and fouls.
That's pretty much it. If I were the Suns I'd be delighted if he ended up as good as Young at this point.
Yep and the work ethic was a major concern entering the draft for Chriss. Bender has way more top end potential. That doesn't mean Chriss won't end up better, but if you were offered either Bender or Chriss, I think everyone would take Bender.
Yeah, I’m sure literally everyone would take the 2nd year player who isn’t athletic, can’t play defense, had fewer points and rebounds and posted .1 WS and a PER of 7 in his second year. Chriss’s work ethic element is certainly concerning, though.
If you watch Bender, what makes his potential special is the same thing that makes Al Horford special.
You have got to be kidding .... the only advantage Bender has is his age which allows people to hope he will get better.
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Terry for AD an a 1st rounder.
No?
Goodbye!
Phone: Too-too, too-too.
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When I have watched the Suns, Chriss looks like he's asleep most of the time and then he tries to make a crazy play to make up for not paying attention and fouls.
That's pretty much it. If I were the Suns I'd be delighted if he ended up as good as Young at this point.
Yep and the work ethic was a major concern entering the draft for Chriss. Bender has way more top end potential. That doesn't mean Chriss won't end up better, but if you were offered either Bender or Chriss, I think everyone would take Bender.
Yeah, I’m sure literally everyone would take the 2nd year player who isn’t athletic, can’t play defense, had fewer points and rebounds and posted .1 WS and a PER of 7 in his second year. Chriss’s work ethic element is certainly concerning, though.
If you watch Bender, what makes his potential special is the same thing that makes Al Horford special.
You have got to be kidding .... the only advantage Bender has is his age which allows people to hope he will get better.
or that fact that he got a lot better from year 1 to year 2.
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When I have watched the Suns, Chriss looks like he's asleep most of the time and then he tries to make a crazy play to make up for not paying attention and fouls.
That's pretty much it. If I were the Suns I'd be delighted if he ended up as good as Young at this point.
Yep and the work ethic was a major concern entering the draft for Chriss. Bender has way more top end potential. That doesn't mean Chriss won't end up better, but if you were offered either Bender or Chriss, I think everyone would take Bender.
Yeah, I’m sure literally everyone would take the 2nd year player who isn’t athletic, can’t play defense, had fewer points and rebounds and posted .1 WS and a PER of 7 in his second year. Chriss’s work ethic element is certainly concerning, though.
If you watch Bender, what makes his potential special is the same thing that makes Al Horford special.
You have got to be kidding .... the only advantage Bender has is his age which allows people to hope he will get better.
or that fact that he got a lot better from year 1 to year 2.
By what measure?
Per minute he is almost the exact same player
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When I have watched the Suns, Chriss looks like he's asleep most of the time and then he tries to make a crazy play to make up for not paying attention and fouls.
That's pretty much it. If I were the Suns I'd be delighted if he ended up as good as Young at this point.
Yep and the work ethic was a major concern entering the draft for Chriss. Bender has way more top end potential. That doesn't mean Chriss won't end up better, but if you were offered either Bender or Chriss, I think everyone would take Bender.
Yeah, I’m sure literally everyone would take the 2nd year player who isn’t athletic, can’t play defense, had fewer points and rebounds and posted .1 WS and a PER of 7 in his second year. Chriss’s work ethic element is certainly concerning, though.
If you watch Bender, what makes his potential special is the same thing that makes Al Horford special.
You have got to be kidding .... the only advantage Bender has is his age which allows people to hope he will get better.
No, it's not. I'm not saying he will be as good as Horford, but I do think Bender has the ability to make good basketball plays and elevate his team by doing the little things really well. Ball movement, stretching the floor, defensive versatility are all things that have always made Horford special. These are the raw talents of Bender.
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Of course I got that you didn't mean that he 'll be as good as Horrors.... But I don't see what you see in him and I've been watching him play in junior fiba tournaments since he was 16. The physical tools are there but i don't see anything else and especially I don't see passion.
I could be on board on getting him cheap as a project but a trade like this is for me crazy
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Of course I got that you didn't mean that he 'll be as good as Horrors.... But I don't see what you see in him and I've been watching him play in junior fiba tournaments since he was 16. The physical tools are there but i don't see anything else and especially I don't see passion.
I could be on board on getting him cheap as a project but a trade like this is for me crazy
I agree. He hasn't delivered much on his promise yet at all (although he did have moments late in the season this year).
Trading Rozier for him would be a fleecing by the Suns. I wasn't necessarily advocating for the trade. The discussion around Chriss or Bender was why I commented. I'd rather have Bender of the two, but I wouldn't trade Rozier for either.
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By what measure?
Per minute he is almost the exact same player
In his second year his TS% went up to low .500s, he cut his fouls nearly in half, and because of those two facts was able to play starter level minutes.
That's progress, not enough that you're happy with him but its progress. I still thinks he looks pretty lost and not impressive, but I have a lot more faith he'll be a good NBA player than Chriss.
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By what measure?
Per minute he is almost the exact same player
In his second year his TS% went up to low .500s, he cut his fouls nearly in half, and because of those two facts was able to play starter level minutes.
That's progress, not enough that you're happy with him but its progress. I still thinks he looks pretty lost and not impressive, but I have a lot more faith he'll be a good NBA player than Chriss.
No doubt in regard to him over Chriss. Chriss is one of the most disengaged guys I can remember watching in the last decade.
But to say Bender "got a lot better" from year 1 to year 2 isn't really true
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I never said he got a lot better, that was someone else.
I was pointing out that he is far from the same player, both in totals and on a per minute basis.
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I never said he got a lot better, that was someone else.
I was pointing out that he is far from the same player, both in totals and on a per minute basis.
I realise that. I was just saying so because that was the only reason I commented.
When he makes any major strides with his shooting, scoring, rebounding or defending I'll be interested. But I haven't seen any of that
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I’d want a top ten pick for him; we could throw in our late first rounder. Maybe he’s not worth that to another team. So be it. Then keep him for next year and have a guard rotation that is one of the best in the league. Get banner 18.
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Crazy idea, but would the Cavs be willing to deal the nets pick back to us if we give them rozier+Memphis or lakers pick ?
The Cavs are really bad at point guard, and might need a full time young ball handler once Lebrons gone... George Hill is a lot older.
Lebron thinks very highly of rozier. Also terry is from Ohio.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTNCqG5W4AI-A8R?format=jpg)
Moving terry would help relieve the point guard clog we have and get us the big we need from the draft ( bamba, carter, or Jackson) . Would the Cavs be willing to deal with trader Danny again after what happened? Haha
Alright wishful thinking over
If Jackson or Bamba are still on the board at 8, I think you make the trade. I love Rozier, and I love what he brings to this team, but we ARE going to lose him in a year. He will be waaayyy too expensive to keep along with Kyrie/ our wing brigade. Meanwhile you have 4+ years to see if Bamba/Jackson are the heir apparent to Horford's anchor role.
If one of those 2 are sitting there at 8, I would trade Rozier + the clippers OR Memphis pick. If you have to include the Celtics Pick this year, that could be an interesting trade.
That's exactly what I think! I'm especially high on bamba, and think he could be DPOY some day!
agree
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I could be convinced to deal Terry for the Cavs pick, but I wouldn't include the MEM pick. It is likely that pick will end up even higher than #8 and Terry is supposed to be the real asset in this proposed trade. Our 1st makes it a much more even deal.
Still, though, I am not looking to deal Terry. I am not sure how we keep him, but we can't be looking just to shed him - it has to be a great deal.
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A bench featuring Rozier, Smart, Morris, Theis, and Baynes is arguably the best in the league.
That squad is coming in for Irving, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, and Horford.... arguably the best starting five in the league. I know people will point to GSW and 1-4 no doubt, they are the best. But 1-5 and certainly 1-12? Next year it should be us.
#RunThisBack(UnlessDavisUnexpectedlyBecomesAvailable)
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A bench featuring Rozier, Smart, Morris, Theis, and Baynes is arguably the best in the league.
That squad is coming in for Irving, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, and Horford.... arguably the best starting five in the league. I know people will point to GSW and 1-4 no doubt, they are the best. But 1-5 and certainly 1-12? Next year it should be us.
#RunThisBack(UnlessDavisUnexpectedlyBecomesAvailable)
TP for the hashtag; VF
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I think maybe The Celtics have to sign both Rozier and Smart so we have those contracts for the big trade down the line.
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I think maybe The Celtics have to sign both Rozier and Smart so we have those contracts for the big trade down the line.
The one that isn't coming? ;)
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TRADE IDEA: Rozier FOR Sabonis + 2018 Indiana 2nd Rounder
1. This is assuming Ainge reaches an extension with Smart at a very reasonable rate, and decides to "sell high" on Rozier since he doesn't expect the C's will be able to keep him after NEXT season since he could command a ton elsewhere.
2. We could add Sabonis to the front court with Horford and Theis, and I'm assuming we keep ONE of Monroe/Baynes, so whoever leaves ultimately gets replaced by Sabonis in a sense (who is just 21 years old and still on his rookie contract for 2 more seasons).
Now I wouldn't mind at all if we just keep Scary Terry for next season as great depth while making our title run with a (hopefully) healthy team, and I would actually love if we could keep BOTH Smart + Rozier long term (even if it meant going well into the luxury tax), but realistically I think between Rozier and Smart, Ainge probably keeps Smart primarily because his market won't be as high, and he honestly has that KG-Mentality and makes those "winning plays" that teams need to make to go far in playoffs.
Idk... it's going to be a real tough decision to make and I hate to even suggest an idea that involves trading Scary Terry (during this current playoff run), but... what do you guys think?
I say NO still, but if not this particular idea and you think we should still sell high on Rozier, anyone have any other trade ideas?
Not a Chance!
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I'd trade Terry for Sabonis straight up. I think Sabonis is going to be pretty good and it balances out our roster and gives us an extra year of team control.
Interesting. Like the Bradley Morris trade.
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I'd still make this trade even if it's simply Rozier for Sabonis honestly.
Then use pick #27 on guard depth and hope we keep Marcus Smart around 10-12M/Year.
If Baynes comes back with the non-taxpayer raise (around 5M), great! Or bring him back using MLE though that would probably mean stricter cap constraints and such going forward.