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Title: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: CelticsElite on April 25, 2018, 03:02:20 AM
Members of the Milwaukee Bucks expressed frustration that referees missed what appeared to be an obvious 24-second violation on the Boston Celtics late in Game 5.

Al Horford's 3-point attempt with 1:18 remaining seemed to come after the 24-second clock had expired in a five-point game. Instead, Celtics rookie Semi Ojeleye tapped out a rebound as Bucks players motioned for a whistle and Terry Rozier hustled to secure the ball.

Thon Maker was whistled for a foul for making contact with Rozier's big head while chasing the rebound. The Celtics didn't score on their ensuing possession but were able to take the clock down to 48 seconds before the Bucks regained possession.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23309153/milwaukee-bucks-frustrated-no-call-boston-celtics-shot-clock-violation
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on April 25, 2018, 03:15:42 AM
Game 4 Jaylen Brown's arm says hello.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: gouki88 on April 25, 2018, 03:16:41 AM
Cry more. Don't make any complaints when a bad call goes our way, so I don't really care
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: GreenEnvy on April 25, 2018, 03:17:33 AM
There’s no question the refs missed that one. It was a bad non-call but apparently isn’t reviewable (much like all the free throws GA takes over 10 seconds to shoot).

But, Celtics didn’t score off of that. So yes, we took the clock down further but there was still plenty of time.

Celtics were admittedly robbed of two free throws that led to three points by the Bucks and I believe they said the game-winning tip-in by them should’ve been waived off too.

So.... shaddddup Bucks!
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: SHAQATTACK on April 25, 2018, 06:01:14 AM
meh

The freak gets most of the calls anyway comcerning him......thats alot more freebees than C's get.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Erik on April 25, 2018, 06:50:23 AM
I dont generally complain about lack of calls, but it’s obvious that the bucks are fouling on almost every play. Giannis pushes people, tackles them, wrestles in the low post (almost body slamming Horford). Even on the game winning tip in, he stiff armed Tatum to box him out. Him, thon maker, delladova are just not making basketball plays, and the refs stopped calling it.  It’s up to the refs to start fouling them out or the Celtics to act similarly.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Celtics4ever on April 25, 2018, 06:52:23 AM
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The freak gets most of the calls anyway comcerning him......thats alot more freebees than C's get.

He travels and pushes off all the time and no call.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: hodgy03038 on April 25, 2018, 07:36:33 AM
Semi asks what is a block and what is a charge?
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: aefgogreen on April 25, 2018, 07:40:53 AM
There’s no question the refs missed that one. It was a bad non-call but apparently isn’t reviewable (much like all the free throws GA takes over 10 seconds to shoot).

But, Celtics didn’t score off of that. So yes, we took the clock down further but there was still plenty of time.

Celtics were admittedly robbed of two free throws that led to three points by the Bucks and I believe they said the game-winning tip-in by them should’ve been waived off too.

So.... shaddddup Bucks!

I didn't see that the tip was a bad non-call as well.  What was the issue?
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: SHAQATTACK on April 25, 2018, 07:41:00 AM
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The freak gets most of the calls anyway comcerning him......thats alot more freebees than C's get.

He travels and pushes off all the time and no call.

part of the " Star" privilege afforded a few anointed divas
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Celtics4ever on April 25, 2018, 08:12:55 AM
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part of the " Star" privilege afforded a few anointed divas

Agree but it does not mean it is right.   I think he is a lot better because of this special treatment, too.   The NBA must be trying to get more fans in Greece.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Roy H. on April 25, 2018, 08:13:34 AM
It was a terrible call. Last night’s crew was bad overall, with the Bucks getting plenty of benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: BitterJim on April 25, 2018, 08:19:40 AM
I dont generally complain about lack of calls, but it’s obvious that the bucks are fouling on almost every play. Giannis pushes people, tackles them, wrestles in the low post (almost body slamming Horford). Even on the game winning tip in, he stiff armed Tatum to box him out. Him, thon maker, delladova are just not making basketball plays, and the refs stopped calling it.  It’s up to the refs to start fouling them out or the Celtics to act similarly.

Bledsoe, too. The refs need to get them under sontrol, or someone is going to go too far and actually hurt someone (my money would be on Maker, if that gangly, uncoordinated Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. throws another tantrum like he did in game 4)
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: jambr380 on April 25, 2018, 08:21:36 AM
It was a terrible call. Last night’s crew was bad overall, with the Bucks getting plenty of benefit of the doubt.

Yeah, on a loose ball, the refs called the ball off of Horford when it was clearly off one of the Bucks players about 3 plays prior down on the Bucks end. That play had just as much impact (ball staying with the offense when it should have gone the other way), but nobody is talking about that.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: satch on April 25, 2018, 08:33:29 AM
If this series had been called by the book it would be over.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: gouki88 on April 25, 2018, 08:41:40 AM
I dont generally complain about lack of calls, but it’s obvious that the bucks are fouling on almost every play. Giannis pushes people, tackles them, wrestles in the low post (almost body slamming Horford). Even on the game winning tip in, he stiff armed Tatum to box him out. Him, thon maker, delladova are just not making basketball plays, and the refs stopped calling it.  It’s up to the refs to start fouling them out or the Celtics to act similarly.

Bledsoe, too. The refs need to get them under sontrol, or someone is going to go too far and actually hurt someone (my money would be on Maker, if that gangly, uncoordinated **** throws another tantrum like he did in game 4)
I feel like if any of them legitimately try to hurt one of our guys both Marcus' will have a little bit to say about it.

The officiating this post-season has been absolutely all over the place. The 76ers-Heat series was crazy physical
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: droopdog7 on April 25, 2018, 08:53:28 AM
This is why people should stop complaining about the refs and acting like they are out to get us.  That was an AWFUL call that went against the Bucks.  Much worse than the one against Jaylen in that sense that it was so blantant.  Don’t forget that the refs also missed a blatant hold on Tatum last game too.

The refs are part of the game. People need to stop whining in every game thread about them like three year olds.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: fairweatherfan on April 25, 2018, 09:11:34 AM
That was a godawful call that went our way in a big moment - we probably only got the rebound because half the Bucks were screaming for it. Plenty of other shaky-to-bad calls before that too. The complaints should be about poor/inconsistent officiating overall, not the whiny conspiracy crap.

That said, I don't mind physicality in playoff ball; let guys scrap and get after it. Smart at minimum will thrive in that kind of environment.  But it's gotta be consistent, not just between teams but ideally between different games in the series.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: mef730 on April 25, 2018, 09:18:52 AM
You know it's a missed call when even Tommy is curious why it wasn't reviewed.

Having said that, a few days ago, I wrote in the Game 4 thread that the Celtics need to stop worrying about missed calls and just win the game.

So Bucks, I have some advice for you...stop worrying about missed calls and just win the games.

Mike
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: SHAQATTACK on April 25, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
I dont generally complain about lack of calls, but it’s obvious that the bucks are fouling on almost every play. Giannis pushes people, tackles them, wrestles in the low post (almost body slamming Horford). Even on the game winning tip in, he stiff armed Tatum to box him out. Him, thon maker, delladova are just not making basketball plays, and the refs stopped calling it.  It’s up to the refs to start fouling them out or the Celtics to act similarly.

Bledsoe, too. The refs need to get them under sontrol, or someone is going to go too far and actually hurt someone (my money would be on Maker, if that gangly, uncoordinated **** throws another tantrum like he did in game 4)
I feel like if any of them legitimately try to hurt one of our guys both Marcus' will have a little bit to say about it.

The officiating this post-season has been absolutely all over the place. The 76ers-Heat series was crazy physical

LOL ....so you did not watch real physical ball , Shaq, Carl Malone , Moses Malone, Anthony Mason,  Larry Bird , Patrick Ewing ,  Tree Rollins , Danny Ainge ,  John Stockton,  Bill Laimbeer, Charles Oakley,  Metta World Peace ,  Ben Wallace , and KG was no push over LOL..... Philly has huge guys .....like the Knicks   Jazz , Bullets of old   Any game with them is going to be ruff ....OR you won't beat them .   

Philly and Minn are bringing  back old school ball.   We need Davis to level the playing field for years to come. or as long as Embiid is healthy.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: timpiker on April 25, 2018, 09:33:27 AM
I agree with the Bucks - watching on TV, I clearly heard the buzzer before it left Horford's hands - still cannot believe they missed that
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Big333223 on April 25, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
The whole series has been officiated terribly. Obviously the Celtics can point to just as many bad calls going against them as the Bucks can so I don't know that either team is benefiting from it and I know that referees aren't going to get it right all the time but this series has felt sloppy to me.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: greece66 on April 25, 2018, 10:11:53 AM
>with Rozier's big head

 ???
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Erik on April 25, 2018, 10:29:09 AM
I dont generally complain about lack of calls, but it’s obvious that the bucks are fouling on almost every play. Giannis pushes people, tackles them, wrestles in the low post (almost body slamming Horford). Even on the game winning tip in, he stiff armed Tatum to box him out. Him, thon maker, delladova are just not making basketball plays, and the refs stopped calling it.  It’s up to the refs to start fouling them out or the Celtics to act similarly.

Bledsoe, too. The refs need to get them under sontrol, or someone is going to go too far and actually hurt someone (my money would be on Maker, if that gangly, uncoordinated **** throws another tantrum like he did in game 4)
I feel like if any of them legitimately try to hurt one of our guys both Marcus' will have a little bit to say about it.

The officiating this post-season has been absolutely all over the place. The 76ers-Heat series was crazy physical

LOL ....so you did not watch real physical ball , Shaq, Carl Malone , Moses Malone, Anthony Mason,  Larry Bird , Patrick Ewing ,  Tree Rollins , Danny Ainge ,  John Stockton,  Bill Laimbeer, Charles Oakley,  Metta World Peace ,  Ben Wallace , and KG was no push over LOL..... Philly has huge guys .....like the Knicks   Jazz , Bullets of old   Any game with them is going to be ruff ....OR you won't beat them .   

Philly and Minn are bringing  back old school ball.   We need Davis to level the playing field for years to come. or as long as Embiid is healthy.

This is a straw man argument. I don't mind physical play, and I'm old enough to remember people getting hit hard in the 90s. However, I also remember people getting called for fouls, getting technicals and ejections for non-basketball plays. The part that is missing are the foul calls.

I watch Giannis shoving people left and right. That's a foul. It doesn't matter what era of basketball you are watching. You don't push people to the ground.

Thon Maker & Dellavedova have very little basketball ability (by NBA standards). They're basically goons recklessly running around trying to play defense by smothering people (and making a lot of contact).
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Donoghus on April 25, 2018, 10:29:48 AM
It was a terrible call. Last night’s crew was bad overall, with the Bucks getting plenty of benefit of the doubt.

This.  Especially the fourth quarter where, seemingly, it was no guns barred until the there would be a ticky tack call.  And, nearly all went in favor of the Bucks.  It was a bit surreal to watch.

I see this as tit for tat with the Brown non-call from Game 4.  Also, since the shot couldn't didn't go in, it couldn't be reviewed.   

I'm sure the two minute report will come out pointing out the referees' error.  Let that fanbase stew over that one. 
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: crownsy on April 25, 2018, 10:32:50 AM
It was a terrible call. Last night’s crew was bad overall, with the Bucks getting plenty of benefit of the doubt.

This.  Especially the fourth quarter where, seemingly, it was no guns barred until the there would be a ticky tack call.  And, nearly all went in favor of the Bucks.  It was a bit surreal to watch.

I see this as tit for tat with the Brown non-call from Game 4.  Also, since the shot couldn't didn't go in, it couldn't be reviewed.   

I'm sure the two minute report will come out pointing out the referees' error.  Let that fanbase stew over that one.

Yea, even the Bledsoe Flagrant I was kinda like "no kidding, he's been doing that all night and getting away with it why would he stop?"

The crew last night couldn't decide if it wanted to call a no blood no foul game or by the book, and the Players had no idea either.

by the 3rd, it had devolved into "nothing is a foul, until it is." which I have to imagine is the worst way to play for a NBA player.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: ChillyWilly on April 25, 2018, 10:32:50 AM
It was a terrible call. Last night’s crew was bad overall, with the Bucks getting plenty of benefit of the doubt.

This.  Especially the fourth quarter where, seemingly, it was no guns barred until the there would be a ticky tack call.  And, nearly all went in favor of the Bucks.  It was a bit surreal to watch.

I see this as tit for tat with the Brown non-call from Game 4.  Also, since the shot couldn't didn't go in, it couldn't be reviewed.   

I'm sure the two minute report will come out pointing out the referees' error.  Let that fanbase stew over that one.

^^^ Yup
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: gouki88 on April 25, 2018, 10:43:17 AM
I dont generally complain about lack of calls, but it’s obvious that the bucks are fouling on almost every play. Giannis pushes people, tackles them, wrestles in the low post (almost body slamming Horford). Even on the game winning tip in, he stiff armed Tatum to box him out. Him, thon maker, delladova are just not making basketball plays, and the refs stopped calling it.  It’s up to the refs to start fouling them out or the Celtics to act similarly.

Bledsoe, too. The refs need to get them under sontrol, or someone is going to go too far and actually hurt someone (my money would be on Maker, if that gangly, uncoordinated **** throws another tantrum like he did in game 4)
I feel like if any of them legitimately try to hurt one of our guys both Marcus' will have a little bit to say about it.

The officiating this post-season has been absolutely all over the place. The 76ers-Heat series was crazy physical

LOL ....so you did not watch real physical ball , Shaq, Carl Malone , Moses Malone, Anthony Mason,  Larry Bird , Patrick Ewing ,  Tree Rollins , Danny Ainge ,  John Stockton,  Bill Laimbeer, Charles Oakley,  Metta World Peace ,  Ben Wallace , and KG was no push over LOL..... Philly has huge guys .....like the Knicks   Jazz , Bullets of old   Any game with them is going to be ruff ....OR you won't beat them .   

Philly and Minn are bringing  back old school ball.   We need Davis to level the playing field for years to come. or as long as Embiid is healthy.
That's not at all what I'm saying, lol. You're absolutely putting words in my mouth.

I'm complaining about the completely different rulebook and standards that have been applied during these playoffs. If they let every team be physical I would have no issue - it's where some guys are allowed to be physical whereas others get tech fouls for looking at LeBron the wrong way
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Phantom255x on April 25, 2018, 10:49:17 AM
HA! You all hear Joe Prunty after the game? "Giannis isn't getting all the calls" LOL really??

Meanwhile, Thon Maker can swipe someone's face and Bledsoe can just shove someone, but nope, no review for a flagrant, just play on!  ::)

I'm not someone who advocates for dirty play, but I wouldn't mind if some of the C's players got REAL physical in Game 6 and showed the Bucks who is boss. I mean, if they are going to screw us with calls anyways, might as well make it "worth it", right?
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Ogaju on April 25, 2018, 10:52:03 AM
lol the refs are okay crew are latching on the 24 sec violation no-call as evidence there is no favoritism for the Bucks in this series...lol how naive. The refs threw the Cs a bone, now they have been empowered to guarantee a game 7. Funny how some here see the non consequential no call as evidence of fairness.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Fafnir on April 25, 2018, 10:52:49 AM
I'm not someone who advocates for dirty play,
  :-\  :o Then why are you advocating for it lol.

There are many ways to describe this Celtics team, but I don't think we're lacking for guys willing to mix it up in a physical game.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Phantom255x on April 25, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
I'm not someone who advocates for dirty play,
  :-\  :o Then why are you advocating for it lol.

There are many ways to describe this Celtics team, but I don't think we're lacking for guys willing to mix it up in a physical game.

To retaliate. What? You want the C's to go out there and get beaten up? PUH-LEASE. Marcus Smart and the others should not stand for that nonsense. FIGHT BACK! (Yeah I'm pumped up)
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Fafnir on April 25, 2018, 11:03:23 AM
I'm not someone who advocates for dirty play,
  :-\  :o Then why are you advocating for it lol.

There are many ways to describe this Celtics team, but I don't think we're lacking for guys willing to mix it up in a physical game.

To retaliate. What? You want the C's to go out there and get beaten up? PUH-LEASE. Marcus Smart and the others should not stand for that nonsense. FIGHT BACK! (Yeah I'm pumped up)
Somehow I don't think Terry, Marcus, Marcus the larger, and Baynes are going to shrink from getting into it.

They certainly didn't last night. Honestly other than Bledsoe's nonsense it wasn't dirty, just not called consistently.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Birdman on April 25, 2018, 11:05:10 AM
Bucks got all the calls in game 4 so hush!!!!
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 25, 2018, 11:25:33 AM
It was a terrible call. Last night’s crew was bad overall, with the Bucks getting plenty of benefit of the doubt.

Yeah, on a loose ball, the refs called the ball off of Horford when it was clearly off one of the Bucks players about 3 plays prior down on the Bucks end. That play had just as much impact (ball staying with the offense when it should have gone the other way), but nobody is talking about that.

As usual, most people are considering only the last minute or two of the game instead of the whole thing.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: hwangjini_1 on April 25, 2018, 12:01:28 PM
I agree with the Bucks - watching on TV, I clearly heard the buzzer before it left Horford's hands - still cannot believe they missed that
so did i, but i read someplace (forgive, i forget where) that the buzzer and clock were not aligned. if so, then perhaps the refs followed the clock/scoreboard light and not the buzzer?

or, what i read might just simply be a crock of crap.  ;D

has anyone else heard the above?
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: celticinorlando on April 25, 2018, 12:08:53 PM
It was a violation...but as one sided as the calls have been against Boston this series...I don't really feel bad for them. Technically this series should be over after the game 4 missed calls...
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Smitty77 on April 25, 2018, 12:23:44 PM
There’s no question the refs missed that one. It was a bad non-call but apparently isn’t reviewable (much like all the free throws GA takes over 10 seconds to shoot).

But, Celtics didn’t score off of that. So yes, we took the clock down further but there was still plenty of time.

Celtics were admittedly robbed of two free throws that led to three points by the Bucks and I believe they said the game-winning tip-in by them should’ve been waived off too.

So.... shaddddup Bucks!

Could you give me the link regarding the game-winning tip please?

Thanks,

Smitty77
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: tonydelk on April 25, 2018, 12:27:05 PM
Who cares.  They missed a ton of calls in the last game that swung the outcome.  Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.e happens and I'm glad the C's got one in their favor.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: SHAQATTACK on April 25, 2018, 01:27:50 PM
Celtics have NEVER had a call go against them right ? 
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: TomHeinsohn on April 25, 2018, 02:18:42 PM
I think the Marcus they need to worry about more is Morris, not Smart.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Donoghus on April 25, 2018, 04:59:07 PM
Just to state the obvious per Twitter. 

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Chris Forsberg


 
@ESPNForsberg
 5m5 minutes ago

Last 2 Minute report from Game 5 confirmed missed 24-second violation and — to add salt to the wounds of Bucks fans — league also says Horford should have been called for travel before the shot.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on April 25, 2018, 05:01:52 PM
Game 4 Jaylen Brown's arm says hello.

No one wants to hear this because the Celtics always get the calls so this is just "payback".

Seriously, Bucks fans and the rest of the NBA forgot about this call because of the 24 second violation.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: GreenWarrior on April 25, 2018, 05:39:13 PM
this was decided before the series started by the NBA/refs that this was going to be a 7 game series. which means there will be no reason to watch thurs. night.

lost in all of this is no one mentioned the flagrant foul that should have been called on thon maker for hitting rozier in the face or the 4 fouls on one play by Bledsoe that weren't called.

this next game is going to be unwatchable... unless they hold off on the bad officiating until game 7.

Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: ItsNotLuck on April 25, 2018, 06:06:08 PM
There was also the play earlier in the game where on replay the ball was shown to go off of a Milwaukee player's arm. The ball was given to Milwaukee due to the bad call, and Parker immediately hit a long 2.
Title: Re: Bucks complaining about non-call on the shot clock violation
Post by: Tr1boy on April 25, 2018, 06:09:11 PM
baaaaaah refs screwed us

bunch of cry babies

I hope the Celts demolish the Bucks tomorrow