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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Roy H. on April 24, 2018, 09:57:04 PM
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
You have to resign him...no matter the cost.
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
You have to resign him...no matter the cost.
TP ......he brings what NO. ONE else is going to give , unless KG comes out of retirement .
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I assume it was a massive grind too, based on the score.
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
TP ...
your best quote ever !
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
I dont have a problem with most of his shots tonight, most of them were because the clock was running down or he was open. Sure, couldve shot better.
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
TP Roy.
Smart providing that unique energy as only he can. Awesome stuff any competitor can appreciate.
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Agree. He is the most "intangible " player I can remember having on the team Tonight perfect illustration
It's a roller coaster w him but I think we come out ahead more than not Crazy player. Fun to have around.
Go Marcus. 😄😄👍👍
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
You have to resign him...no matter the cost.
Not no matter the cost. Gotta squezze him for a team friendly deal, IMO. Anything over $10 million a year is too much and even then I think that's too much. The market is bad for him right now. Can't overpay for a bench player.
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We have enough shooting firepower with Kyrie and Hayward coming back. Smart fits in like tony Allen as a defensive glue piece for a championship run
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At the end of the game - Smart did Smart things. Some amazing defensive contests and a crucial rebound. Kept the team’s composure bringing the ball up when the youngsters were showing some nerves.
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
You have to resign him...no matter the cost.
Not no matter the cost. Gotta squezze him for a team friendly deal, IMO. Anything over $10 million a year is too much and even then I think that's too much. The market is bad for him right now. Can't overpay for a bench player.
I'd easily pay $15 million. Not sure I'd start there but if that's what he wants. ...
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
You have to resign him...no matter the cost.
Not no matter the cost. Gotta squezze him for a team friendly deal, IMO. Anything over $10 million a year is too much and even then I think that's too much. The market is bad for him right now. Can't overpay for a bench player.
Cmon Nick.
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
well said. totally unique player, very hard to compare his stats against other players for real value to our team.
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Smart is the only player I have ever seen that can mess up for virtually an entire game and when you're done like 75% of people are like "Yeah we could never have won that without Smart." He's probably an analytics nightmare (but also maybe a dream come true for math lovers).
He's either the awesomest bad player in the history of the game or the worst awesome player in the history of the game. Either way that's awesome, right? And when awesome has AWESOME timing.....well then.
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
You have to resign him...no matter the cost.
Not no matter the cost. Gotta squezze him for a team friendly deal, IMO. Anything over $10 million a year is too much and even then I think that's too much. The market is bad for him right now. Can't overpay for a bench player.
I'd easily pay $15 million. Not sure I'd start there but if that's what he wants. ...
when he does Marcus plays ....not shooting ..LOL .....he sets the tone for HOW the team needs to play and rise to the occasion. He is like the general grabbing the flag and running across the battlefield . As a player you see him giving it all every play .....as a man , you can't sit by and watch him doing all the dirty work.
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Smart only gets one assist for that scrum and pass to Horford but it was worth the whole game. He's the total opposite of Westbrook. Stats don't tell the whole story of a basketball game.
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Smart only gets one assist for that scrum and pass to Horford but it was worth the whole game. He's the total opposite of Westbrook. Stats don't tell the whole story of a basketball game.
Thank you for that . TP
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
You have to resign him...no matter the cost.
Not no matter the cost. Gotta squezze him for a team friendly deal, IMO. Anything over $10 million a year is too much and even then I think that's too much. The market is bad for him right now. Can't overpay for a bench player.
Cmon Nick.
What? I love the guy's defense but this league doesn't pay big bucks for defense. They pay for offense and for two way ability even more.
If Smart was finishing his rookie contract two years ago he would have been getting Evan Turner money or better right now. But its a completely different market situation and the Marcus Smart's of the market are not still going to be getting better than Evan Turner money. Not close.
Love what he brings to the team but take Smart away and add Hayward and Kyrie and this team is still a contender. Its the right move to try to get Smart cheap. It sucks for Smart but its the right move.
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4 years, 12-15m a year.
He's 24 years old. Plenty of time to develop a shot.
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4 years, 12-15m a year.
He's 24 years old. Plenty of time to develop a shot.
I hope they can sign him. The money management is very tricky. If the Celtics get another top five pick that money might also effect cap money. Marcus Smart deserves to get paid....
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I think as soon as you see Smart as a role player on a contender, he's excellent. Where you run into issues is if you cast him as a starting PG, which may have been the expectation when he was drafted.
He's a high leverage player who makes your defense better, plays hard, shows leadership/ motivates other guys, and can win you some games on the biggest stage. One thing I think is frequently underrated is his playmaking. If he can pass and be a ball-handler at the backup PG level, plus everything else he does, I think he can be pretty valuable even if his shot remains the same. That gives him 4 starter level skills: defense, passing, ball handling, leadership.
I agree with folks who want to lock him down for 4 years at a "reasonable" cost for a 6th man. Under a $100M+ salary cap, a versatile 6th man in his prime years on a contender is probably worth a 4/$50M deal IMO, and you think about moving Rozier for a (cost-controlled) draft pick or player and rolling with Irving/ Brown/ Hayward/ Tatum/ Horford (Smart) as your core.
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Yup, that's Smart for ya. He's like the evolution of Tony Allen out there. Don't think we ever appreciated him quite as much as tonight though. A breath of fresh air.
Wonder if he lost free agent money by missing so many games or made it by coming back in such a dramatic way. Either way I hope we find a way to keep him.
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We have enough shooting firepower with Kyrie and Hayward coming back. Smart fits in like tony Allen as a defensive glue piece for a championship run
Biggest mistake Ainge made during the KG era was letting Tony Allen go. I don't think he'll want to repeat that - but if some team comes in and overpays they could lose him. I do think he might be willing to give the C's a slight discount given how good the team is likely to be and he obviously likes playing here.
Expect July to be stressful..lol
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
You have to resign him...no matter the cost.
Not no matter the cost. Gotta squezze him for a team friendly deal, IMO. Anything over $10 million a year is too much and even then I think that's too much. The market is bad for him right now. Can't overpay for a bench player.
I'd easily pay $15 million. Not sure I'd start there but if that's what he wants. ...
Man, thats the kind of contract that gets you fired. I get it, Marcus smart is easy to like especially given what hes going through now. But anything over 10 million is too rich.
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
You have to resign him...no matter the cost.
Not no matter the cost. Gotta squezze him for a team friendly deal, IMO. Anything over $10 million a year is too much and even then I think that's too much. The market is bad for him right now. Can't overpay for a bench player.
I'd easily pay $15 million. Not sure I'd start there but if that's what he wants. ...
Man, thats the kind of contract that gets you fired. I get it, Marcus smart is easy to like especially given what hes going through now. But anything over 10 million is too rich.
I agree. You can't pay starter money to a guy who can't be a starter with the currant roster. Portland over paid serval guys and only has 3 starter level players. They got Bounced in the first round. 15 million a year better get you a starter or how are you going to pay Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and maybe a high 1st rounder this year or next. Look at all the money the Knicks spend to miss the playoffs and look at the Heats payroll or Detroit or Charlotte or Timberwolves or Wizards or Thunder. This teams are paying contender money to not contend.
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4 years, 12-15m a year.
He's 24 years old. Plenty of time to develop a shot.
I'd give him Andre Iguodala money. He just got 3 year $48 million as a role player. But since Smart is 24, I'd sign him as long as I could.
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
You have to resign him...no matter the cost.
Not no matter the cost. Gotta squezze him for a team friendly deal, IMO. Anything over $10 million a year is too much and even then I think that's too much. The market is bad for him right now. Can't overpay for a bench player.
I'd easily pay $15 million. Not sure I'd start there but if that's what he wants. ...
Man, thats the kind of contract that gets you fired. I get it, Marcus smart is easy to like especially given what hes going through now. But anything over 10 million is too rich.
I agree. You can't pay starter money to a guy who can't be a starter with the currant roster. Portland over paid serval guys and only has 3 starter level players. They got Bounced in the first round. 15 million a year better get you a starter or how are you going to pay Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and maybe a high 1st rounder this year or next. Look at all the money the Knicks spend to miss the playoffs and look at the Heats payroll or Detroit or Charlotte or Timberwolves or Wizards or Thunder. This teams are paying contender money to not contend.
You can if you have your cornerstones locked up already. The problem with the Heat, or Detroit, or Charlotte, or Wolves, or Wizards, or Thunder is that they paid guys before they locked in their cornerstones.
The Cs locked in Kyrie, Hayward, and Horford already. They also have Brown and Tatum on team-controlled contracts for the next 7-8 years.
When that is the case, you can sign the Smart, Rozier, etc. to Iggy money.
The truth is, if your payroll gets too bloated and you have your cornerstones, you can pretty easily trade Smart, Rozier, Morris, etc. for picks and a trade exception in an off-season.
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Smart will get his $13 mill plus a year contract but probably not with the C's. I would think DA will prioritize signing Rozier long term instead.
Could see the Magic going aggressively after Smart since they desperately need a Someone to run the offense and provide defense in the backcourt.
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4 years, 12-15m a year.
He's 24 years old. Plenty of time to develop a shot.
I'd give him Andre Iguodala money. He just got 3 year $48 million as a role player. But since Smart is 24, I'd sign him as long as I could.
Right as always .. ;D
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Tonight was the epitome of Marcus. He shot poorly, took frustrating shots, played excellent defense, and made winning plays. He’s one of the most unique players I’ve ever seen, and tonight summarized it in one game.
You have to resign him...no matter the cost.
Not no matter the cost. Gotta squezze him for a team friendly deal, IMO. Anything over $10 million a year is too much and even then I think that's too much. The market is bad for him right now. Can't overpay for a bench player.
I'd easily pay $15 million. Not sure I'd start there but if that's what he wants. ...
Man, thats the kind of contract that gets you fired. I get it, Marcus smart is easy to like especially given what hes going through now. But anything over 10 million is too rich.
I agree. You can't pay starter money to a guy who can't be a starter with the currant roster. Portland over paid serval guys and only has 3 starter level players. They got Bounced in the first round. 15 million a year better get you a starter or how are you going to pay Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and maybe a high 1st rounder this year or next. Look at all the money the Knicks spend to miss the playoffs and look at the Heats payroll or Detroit or Charlotte or Timberwolves or Wizards or Thunder. This teams are paying contender money to not contend.
You can if you have your cornerstones locked up already. The problem with the Heat, or Detroit, or Charlotte, or Wolves, or Wizards, or Thunder is that they paid guys before they locked in their cornerstones.
The Cs locked in Kyrie, Hayward, and Horford already. They also have Brown and Tatum on team-controlled contracts for the next 7-8 years.
When that is the case, you can sign the Smart, Rozier, etc. to Iggy money.
The truth is, if your payroll gets too bloated and you have your cornerstones, you can pretty easily trade Smart, Rozier, Morris, etc. for picks and a trade exception in an off-season.
There no way that Brown and Tatum are on team controlled contracts for the next 7-8 years.
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As always, Smart played great when it mattered most; but he also is part of the reason it was that close in the first place. He will never be a great shooter, but he needs to clean up the TOs - some of those passes he was trying to slide through were totally unacceptable and led to fast breaks for the Bucks.
I am definitely a Smart fan and, like others, hope we can re-sign him for anything under $10M, but anything more than that and we have to let him go. If a crappy team overpays him, I think they will be very disappointed. What Smart provides is really only useful to contending teams.
The luxury tax will also come into play next year if we aren't careful. With the Lakers pick not likely to convey, I think DA will do everything in his power to stay just under that level. Retaining Smart and Baynes/Monroe (only one) and filling the last couple slots with vet minimum guys seems like the best way to do that.
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There no way that Brown and Tatum are on team controlled contracts for the next 7-8 years.
Why not? They can sign for a 5 year max when they are done with their 4 year rookie deals. Team-controlled does not equal cost-controlled. They will totally be making a lot of money when their rookie deals are up, but we will be able to offer the most years and most money if we want (and hopefully they will continue to show enough that we will definitely want to!).
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There no way that Brown and Tatum are on team controlled contracts for the next 7-8 years.
Why not? They can sign for a 5 year max when they are done with their 4 year rookie deals. Team-controlled does not equal cost-controlled. They will totally be making a lot of money when their rookie deals are up, but we will be able to offer the most years and most money if we want (and hopefully they will continue to show enough that we will definitely want to!).
Well then with all due respect then with that logic, isn’t everyone on a team controlled contract for the next 7-8 years?? You’re making assumptuons, besides overpaying a player like smart will hurt us more when we need the extra cash to fill out the roster with quality role players to surround our star players.
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Very good game by Smart! We desperately needed to get him back to add to depth and toughness. Now Brad needs to tell him when there is under 6 seconds left in the shot clock to move the Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing ball! Don't think it's your shot because we wont win many games if Smart is our go to guy!!
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There no way that Brown and Tatum are on team controlled contracts for the next 7-8 years.
Why not? They can sign for a 5 year max when they are done with their 4 year rookie deals. Team-controlled does not equal cost-controlled. They will totally be making a lot of money when their rookie deals are up, but we will be able to offer the most years and most money if we want (and hopefully they will continue to show enough that we will definitely want to!).
Well then with all due respect then with that logic, isn’t everyone on a team controlled contract for the next 7-8 years?? You’re making assumptuons, besides overpaying a player like smart will hurt us more when we need the extra cash to fill out the roster with quality role players to surround our star players.
It is team control in the sense that after Jaylen and Jayson's rookie contracts are over they are Restricted Free Agents. The Celtics have the right to match any offer they receive from another team, plus they have the additional carrot of being able to offer both players a contract that is 5 years vs. 4, and has higher max raises each season from what they could receive by signing an RFA tender offer with another team.
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We have enough shooting firepower with Kyrie and Hayward coming back. Smart fits in like tony Allen as a defensive glue piece for a championship run
Biggest mistake Ainge made during the KG era was letting Tony Allen go. I don't think he'll want to repeat that - but if some team comes in and overpays they could lose him. I do think he might be willing to give the C's a slight discount given how good the team is likely to be and he obviously likes playing here.
Expect July to be stressful..lol
TP and I think we underrate Smart when we only focus on this defense. He really is a good PG.
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Smarts game is not pretty like watching Giannis glide up and down the court like a deer scoring gracefully .
His game is about blood sweat and making winning plays out of nothing .
Giannis should stay out of Smarts headlights
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There no way that Brown and Tatum are on team controlled contracts for the next 7-8 years.
Why not? They can sign for a 5 year max when they are done with their 4 year rookie deals. Team-controlled does not equal cost-controlled. They will totally be making a lot of money when their rookie deals are up, but we will be able to offer the most years and most money if we want (and hopefully they will continue to show enough that we will definitely want to!).
Well then with all due respect then with that logic, isn’t everyone on a team controlled contract for the next 7-8 years?? You’re making assumptuons, besides overpaying a player like smart will hurt us more when we need the extra cash to fill out the roster with quality role players to surround our star players.
No, because the right to pay more than any other team only comes into play with the top players. It's not like we're going to offer Yabusele a 5 year max deal.
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There no way that Brown and Tatum are on team controlled contracts for the next 7-8 years.
Why not? They can sign for a 5 year max when they are done with their 4 year rookie deals. Team-controlled does not equal cost-controlled. They will totally be making a lot of money when their rookie deals are up, but we will be able to offer the most years and most money if we want (and hopefully they will continue to show enough that we will definitely want to!).
Well then with all due respect then with that logic, isn’t everyone on a team controlled contract for the next 7-8 years?? You’re making assumptuons, besides overpaying a player like smart will hurt us more when we need the extra cash to fill out the roster with quality role players to surround our star players.
To the bolder: yes. That is the value of rookie contracts. After the initial four years (two being team options), the Celtics will be able to extend qualifying offers to Brown and Tatum which would then allow the team to match any offer the players receive in Restricted Free Agency. Regardless, the Celtics are the only team that can offer a 5-year extension (as opposed to four) and can pay both players the most money annually. In addition, because of their service time (more than 3 years playing for the same team), the Celtics will have both players’ Bird Rights, which means they can go over the soft cap to resign Brown and Tatum. This is useful for both high-end talents (most money) and low end talents (right of “last refusal,” means a role player can be retained unless another team drastically over pays or “poison pills,” which I actually think were eliminated in the new CBA).
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I love Marcus Smart
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There no way that Brown and Tatum are on team controlled contracts for the next 7-8 years.
Why not? They can sign for a 5 year max when they are done with their 4 year rookie deals. Team-controlled does not equal cost-controlled. They will totally be making a lot of money when their rookie deals are up, but we will be able to offer the most years and most money if we want (and hopefully they will continue to show enough that we will definitely want to!).
Well then with all due respect then with that logic, isn’t everyone on a team controlled contract for the next 7-8 years?? You’re making assumptuons, besides overpaying a player like smart will hurt us more when we need the extra cash to fill out the roster with quality role players to surround our star players.
That's what "team-controlled" means. It doesn't mean they would automatically play for the Celtics, but it does mean the Celtics can make sure they play in green if Ainge decides he wants that.
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As always, Smart played great when it mattered most; but he also is part of the reason it was that close in the first place. He will never be a great shooter, but he needs to clean up the TOs - some of those passes he was trying to slide through were totally unacceptable and led to fast breaks for the Bucks.
I am definitely a Smart fan and, like others, hope we can re-sign him for anything under $10M, but anything more than that and we have to let him go. If a crappy team overpays him, I think they will be very disappointed. What Smart provides is really only useful to contending teams.
The luxury tax will also come into play next year if we aren't careful. With the Lakers pick not likely to convey, I think DA will do everything in his power to stay just under that level. Retaining Smart and Baynes/Monroe (only one) and filling the last couple slots with vet minimum guys seems like the best way to do that.
This kinda bothers me as I think Marcus and Semi's Defense is the only reason we won that game. NO ONE shot 50% from the field(besides larkin, Baynes whos took 2 shots each). So take away the defense and we lose with how we shot and scored the ball.
For his first game back after not playing for a bit I couldn't ask/want for anything more. PLUS he has a cast/wrap thingy on his thumb on his shooting hand, which prly affected shooting and maybe handling.
I am a fan of both Rozier and Smart but I'd keep Smart. Rozier is better PG but we have a starting PG and do not need to pay for 2 starters at PG. Marcus will probably be cheaper and adds the defense and intensity we need to contend.
I hope for less then 10mil an year but be happy up to 13mil
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I think game 6 was a more typical Marcus Smart game! And we scored 86 points partly because all night long he slowed the ball movement with his standing still and pounding the ball.
Marcus hurts us on offense. Very poor shot selection, always. But worst of all he kills the ball movement on offense. He doesn't probe, he never moves the ball quickly, eating up shot clock time with just meaningless pounding the ball nearly every time the ball comes to him. He forces passes frequently. Of all people why, last night, did he have the ball to finish time periods? It's not like he is good at creating his own shot or penetrate and kick, or running the pick and roll. If we need him on the defensive end have him stand in the corner on offense! Keep the ball out of his hands.
Game 5 he brought some energy and didn't hurt us too much on offense, there was his 5 turnovers. Game 6 I cringed every time he touched the ball.
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I think game 6 was a more typical Marcus Smart game! And we scored 86 points partly because all night long he slowed the ball movement with his standing still and pounding the ball.
Marcus hurts us on offense. Very poor shot selection, always. But worst of all he kills the ball movement on offense. He doesn't probe, he never moves the ball quickly, eating up shot clock time with just meaningless pounding the ball nearly every time the ball comes to him. He forces passes frequently. Of all people why, last night, did he have the ball to finish time periods? It's not like he is good at creating his own shot or penetrate and kick, or running the pick and roll. If we need him on the defensive end have him stand in the corner on offense! Keep the ball out of his hands.
Game 5 he brought some energy and didn't hurt us too much on offense, there was his 5 turnovers. Game 6 I cringed every time he touched the ball.
Very good game by Smart! We desperately needed to get him back to add to depth and toughness. Now Brad needs to tell him when there is under 6 seconds left in the shot clock to move the ****ing ball! Don't think it's your shot because we wont win many games if Smart is our go to guy!!
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Marcus hurts us on offense. Very poor shot selection, always. But worst of all he kills the ball movement on offense. He doesn't probe, he never moves the ball quickly, eating up shot clock time with just meaningless pounding the ball nearly every time the ball comes to him. He forces passes frequently. Of all people why, last night, did he have the ball to finish time periods? It's not like he is good at creating his own shot or penetrate and kick, or running the pick and roll. If we need him on the defensive end have him stand in the corner on offense! Keep the ball out of his hands.
Game 5 he brought some energy and didn't hurt us too much on offense, there was his 5 turnovers. Game 6 I cringed every time he touched the ball.
There is some truth here, but it's overstated. Marcus is by no means the prime offender when it comes to dribbling to nowhere. Terry also holds onto the ball. Last night, Terry's average length of possession was 4.78 seconds while Marcus was 3.73 - more than a second less. Average dribbles per touch: 4.0 for Terry, 3.16 for Marcus.
https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Playoffs&LastNGames=1&sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=-1
Marcus does, sometimes, seem to get static, while Terry is at least moving around looking for a shot. But some of that is an illusion. A lot of the time Terry dribbles to nowhere, seemingly forgetting who else is on the court with him. When Marcus holds the ball, he is usually looking for another player to establish position or to get himself into position to make a pass. And Marcus is definitely more likely to make a quick, hockey-style pass - moving the ball around the perimeter to an open man. As a scorer and shooter, I'll take Terry every time. As a passer, Marcus.
But this goes way beyond the guards. We had a number of failed possessions last night in which everybody was standing around. The ball moved between static players, without any obvious purpose or plan. Or, Mook, Jayson, or Jaylen stopped the ball after getting a pass, let the defense set, then tried to dribble past with a crossover or spin. It works once in a while, but it's not a recipe for success. We do best, especially against the Bucks, when the ball is moving. Players get the ball on a handoff, already moving, and put pressure on the defenders to switch or hedge and react. We drive and kick, then if the closeout arrives, drive again. Or we have Al pass out of a double-team.
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I think game 6 was a more typical Marcus Smart game! And we scored 86 points partly because all night long he slowed the ball movement with his standing still and pounding the ball.
Marcus hurts us on offense. Very poor shot selection, always. But worst of all he kills the ball movement on offense. He doesn't probe, he never moves the ball quickly, eating up shot clock time with just meaningless pounding the ball nearly every time the ball comes to him. He forces passes frequently. Of all people why, last night, did he have the ball to finish time periods? It's not like he is good at creating his own shot or penetrate and kick, or running the pick and roll. If we need him on the defensive end have him stand in the corner on offense! Keep the ball out of his hands.
Game 5 he brought some energy and didn't hurt us too much on offense, there was his 5 turnovers. Game 6 I cringed every time he touched the ball.
I think Smart was what this team needed defensively but at whst cost? His offense has killed the Celtics offense. Brown and Tatum should have the ball in their hands but Smart waves them off to corners and plays 3 man ball with Rozier and Horford.
Smart's stats through 2 games for these playoffs are atrocious.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
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I think game 6 was a more typical Marcus Smart game! And we scored 86 points partly because all night long he slowed the ball movement with his standing still and pounding the ball.
Marcus hurts us on offense. Very poor shot selection, always. But worst of all he kills the ball movement on offense. He doesn't probe, he never moves the ball quickly, eating up shot clock time with just meaningless pounding the ball nearly every time the ball comes to him. He forces passes frequently. Of all people why, last night, did he have the ball to finish time periods? It's not like he is good at creating his own shot or penetrate and kick, or running the pick and roll. If we need him on the defensive end have him stand in the corner on offense! Keep the ball out of his hands.
Game 5 he brought some energy and didn't hurt us too much on offense, there was his 5 turnovers. Game 6 I cringed every time he touched the ball.
I think Smart was what this team needed defensively but at whst cost? His offense has killed the Celtics offense. Brown and Tatum should have the ball in their hands but Smart waves them off to corners and plays 3 man ball with Rozier and Horford.
Smart's stats through 2 games for these playoffs are atrocious.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
You're overstating Smart's impact in the playoffs on the offensive side of things.
I mean, Rozier shot 17 times in the last game, only hitting 5 shots. Morris is taking a ton of shots as well.
Whether Smart is on the floor or not hasn't really affected how much Brown/Tatum are getting involved. There are other numerous other factors that have more weight to this disparity, particularly when you consider that Brown and Tatum are historically (because they're still young and developing) inconsistent.
Now, I agree with the criticisms about Smart's role on offense and how it should be limited, but I think you're awarding him too much of the blame for our offensive ills.
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I think game 6 was a more typical Marcus Smart game! And we scored 86 points partly because all night long he slowed the ball movement with his standing still and pounding the ball.
Marcus hurts us on offense. Very poor shot selection, always. But worst of all he kills the ball movement on offense. He doesn't probe, he never moves the ball quickly, eating up shot clock time with just meaningless pounding the ball nearly every time the ball comes to him. He forces passes frequently. Of all people why, last night, did he have the ball to finish time periods? It's not like he is good at creating his own shot or penetrate and kick, or running the pick and roll. If we need him on the defensive end have him stand in the corner on offense! Keep the ball out of his hands.
Game 5 he brought some energy and didn't hurt us too much on offense, there was his 5 turnovers. Game 6 I cringed every time he touched the ball.
I think Smart was what this team needed defensively but at whst cost? His offense has killed the Celtics offense. Brown and Tatum should have the ball in their hands but Smart waves them off to corners and plays 3 man ball with Rozier and Horford.
Smart's stats through 2 games for these playoffs are atrocious.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
You're overstating Smart's impact in the playoffs on the offensive side of things.
I mean, Rozier shot 17 times in the last game, only hitting 5 shots. Morris is taking a ton of shots as well.
Whether Smart is on the floor or not hasn't really affected how much Brown/Tatum are getting involved. There are other numerous other factors that have more weight to this disparity, particularly when you consider that Brown and Tatum are historically (because they're still young and developing) inconsistent.
Now, I agree with the criticisms about Smart's role on offense and how it should be limited, but I think you're awarding him too much of the blame for our offensive ills.
Agree with Budweiser Celtic. And also: would the offense be better with Shane Larkin taking Smart's minutes?
Tatum had more shots last game than average for the series, and more touches. Brown was 2 shots below his average for the series, but had a few more touches than average.
Everybody - everybody - contributed to that stagnant offense. It was a team loss.
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And also: would the offense be better with Shane Larkin taking Smart's minutes?
It might be but we would have lost game 5 without Smart and our D would be worse.
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Well game 6 was not very good for him. Defense dropped down to average and he pounded the ball taking bad shots as usual. Smart is an energy guy off the bench not someone that should be on the court in crunch time. His offense is so painful, the fact he insists on being the go to guy drives me crazy!!!