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Title: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: nickagneta on April 22, 2018, 04:10:44 PM
So Jaylen Brown appears to be having a coming out party scoring 199 points in his last 9 games for 22.1 PPG. He has hit more than 30 points in 3 of those games. 4 of those games have been in the playoffs where he has scored 95 points in 4 games or 23.7 PPG.

So starting next year, where will Jaylen be on our scoring options list given he, Kyrie, and Hayward will probably be our top 3 scoring options?

How many PPG do you expect from him next year, given everyone healthy?

Also, should we include Tatum in this list or is he still clearly a top 4 or 5 scoring option?

Any way you look at it, next year looks AWESOME!
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Roy H. on April 22, 2018, 04:15:35 PM
On this team he’s #3.

On most lottery teams he’d be #1, averaging 22+ per night.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: KGs Knee on April 22, 2018, 04:20:01 PM
Having so many players who could be first options on offense is a great problem to have, but it is going to require a very delicate balance of sharing the basketball.  Golden State is obviously the model for how to accomplish this.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: nickagneta on April 22, 2018, 04:24:38 PM
On this team he’s #3.

On most lottery teams he’d be #1, averaging 22+ per night.
That would be this year, IMO. Next year, I think he could be a #1 on a lottery team averaging 25+ per night.

I think he could be an equal #2 scoring option next year with Hayward.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Beat LA on April 22, 2018, 04:31:22 PM
Forget next year. He should at least be a primary scoring option in this series given that he's being guarded by Brogdon. Sigh. #PostingAndToasting ;D
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Phantom255x on April 22, 2018, 04:31:24 PM
I think on this team, he could be a 2B scoring option.

The difference is, he's looking a lot more confident while shooting, and even when he's having a cold night, he's not shy to keep trying and eventually getting his shot to fall. A lot more improved compared to last year.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Green-18 on April 22, 2018, 04:34:53 PM
I assume he will be #3 in shot attempts but Kyrie and Hayward will easily be the primary scorers and decision makers on offense.  This assumption is based upon Hayward at 100%.  On a championship contender Jaylen Brown is best served to be a 3rd option who gets most of his points within the flow of the game. 

As for being a #1 option I don't think Jaylen is ready to carry the scoring load for an entire season on a playoff team.  True #1 options can score efficiently on high usage AND volume.  Jaylen is a couple years away from reaching that point.  He could definitely score the 2nd most points on a very good team though.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: CelticsElite on April 22, 2018, 05:04:50 PM
Options order:
1. Kyrie
2. Hayward
3. Brown
4. Tatum
5. Horford

3-5 might depend on who has the hot hand on a game to game basis
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: kozlodoev on April 22, 2018, 05:06:42 PM
On this team he’s #3.

On most lottery teams he’d be #1, averaging 22+ per night.
I think he can be averaging 22+ on a low-seed playoff team right now.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Green-18 on April 22, 2018, 05:11:59 PM
Options order:
1. Kyrie
2. Hayward
3. Brown
4. Tatum
5. Horford

3-5 might depend on who has the hot hand on a game to game basis

I agree for the most part except Horford should be the clear #5 in shot attempts next year.  I don't see this alternating very often.  His role as a distributor will be even more fun to watch with a healthy roster.  Ideally Horford drops to 26-28 mpg during the course of the 82 game season.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: GreenShooter on April 22, 2018, 05:19:45 PM
I see Kyrie and Hayward as top 2 but not sure Jaylen will hold off Tatum as the next go to guy. They will be about even as far ppg go. It's not a bad problem to have but it'd be better if they rolled 2 basketballs out there.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: chilidawg on April 22, 2018, 06:05:42 PM
Trying to fit him into a slot like 1A, 1B etc. is just ridiculous, and shows no real understanding of the game.  What is he now?  I go with a 1.2847 alpha dog.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: GreenEnvy on April 22, 2018, 06:10:46 PM
I just can’t wait to see what kind of ATO’s Brad will draw up with an Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford lineup.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: nickagneta on April 22, 2018, 06:50:51 PM
Trying to fit him into a slot like 1A, 1B etc. is just ridiculous, and shows no real understanding of the game.  What is he now?  I go with a 1.2847 alpha dog.
First off, your lack of being respectful of others opinions is against the rules. KNOCK IT OFF! If you didn't understand the designations, perhaps next time ask politely for an explanation.

Second, the delegations of 1a or 2b are used to denote that a player could be a #2 scoring option but there could be more than one #2 option on the team. Clearly Durant and Curry are both #1 scoring options but because they are on the same team they would be designated scoring options #1a and #1b.

The point of the designations I provided was to see if people thought Brown a #1 scoring option with one or two other #1 options on the team, a #2 option with another #2 scoring option on the team, or #3 scoring option because clearly Irving and Hayward are both better scoring options overall than Brown.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Green-18 on April 22, 2018, 07:06:06 PM
Trying to fit him into a slot like 1A, 1B etc. is just ridiculous, and shows no real understanding of the game.  What is he now?  I go with a 1.2847 alpha dog.

I completely understand where you are coming from but there's no reason to be disrespectful.  I decided to interpret the question in terms of where Jaylen is at as an overall offensive player.  Obviously Brad's system is predicated upon excellent ball movement and making the right play depending on what the defense is giving you.  Most of understand that we don't take turns on offense like the OKC Thunder.     

 

Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Sketch5 on April 22, 2018, 07:20:32 PM
Having so many players who could be first options on offense is a great problem to have, but it is going to require a very delicate balance of sharing the basketball.  Golden State is obviously the model for how to accomplish this.

Agreed.  And it gives Stevens more lineups to use. Being able to give Irving/Hayward/Hordford rest will be big given Hordord is on the older side, and Hayward and Irving are going to be entering the season coming off season ending injuries. That will be big in the beginning of the season, especially for Hayward who will need to get a feel for the game again.

If Tatum can make the same leap Brown did, this team shouldn't have scoring slumps when Irving goes to the bench.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Green-18 on April 22, 2018, 07:33:49 PM
Having so many players who could be first options on offense is a great problem to have, but it is going to require a very delicate balance of sharing the basketball.  Golden State is obviously the model for how to accomplish this.

Agreed.  And it gives Stevens more lineups to use. Being able to give Irving/Hayward/Hordford rest will be big given Hordord is on the older side, and Hayward and Irving are going to be entering the season coming off season ending injuries. That will be big in the beginning of the season, especially for Hayward who will need to get a feel for the game again.

If Tatum can make the same leap Brown did, this team shouldn't have scoring slumps when Irving goes to the bench.

I've mentioned before that pace is going to be extremely important next year.  During the regular season we should become an efficient 110+ PPG team.  Horford should also cut back on his minutes during the regular season.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Atzar on April 22, 2018, 07:54:06 PM
#1, no.

I voted Clear #3, but I could hear an argument for #2B.  Also, he could be the outright #2 depending on Hayward's health.  There's a small-but-real chance that Hayward is never the same.  There's a larger chance that Hayward returns to form, but takes significant time - possibly as much as the whole season - to get there.  In either of those cases, we probably see Brown as the second-leading scorer for much of the '18-'19 season. 
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: liam on April 22, 2018, 07:57:20 PM
Jaylen is number one on this present team and he's only 21. Jaylen also is one of our best defenders. This kid is a monster and he'll only get more monstrous as he goes!
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: ozgod on April 23, 2018, 12:37:22 AM
I think he has a serious shot at being Most Improved Player this year. He was always a good defender but he's gone to the next level this year. He's developed into a credible outside threat and his free throw shooting has improved, which is good as he draws a lot of fouls when he goes inside. If he can improve his handle he would be a very dangerous player.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: chiken Green on April 23, 2018, 01:36:00 AM
So here is something scary... Jaylen's Second year in the postseason is very similar to Haywards postseason run last year... 

Judging by the way he is leading us in the postseason this year, Why is it hard to see him as a number option next year... 

He may be better than Gordon by the end of next year if not sooner (and that is no slight to Gordon)

 

Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: gouki88 on April 23, 2018, 01:49:34 AM
So here is something scary... Jaylen's Second year in the postseason is very similar to Haywards postseason run last year... 

Judging by the way he is leading us in the postseason this year, Why is it hard to see him as a number option next year... 

He may be better than Gordon by the end of next year if not sooner (and that is no slight to Gordon)
I don't think so. Gordon Hayward is on the same level as Paul George offensively.

The main distinguishing feature is Hayward is a considerably better mid-range shooter and passer. If Brown can develop those aspects of his game to Hayward's level, with his athleticism, he'd be unstoppable
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: SparzWizard on April 23, 2018, 01:52:57 AM
It's good to have multiple scoring options now unlike last season, where our only scoring option was through Isaiah Thomas.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: chiken Green on April 23, 2018, 02:09:58 AM
So here is something scary... Jaylen's Second year in the postseason is very similar to Haywards postseason run last year... 

Judging by the way he is leading us in the postseason this year, Why is it hard to see him as a number option next year... 

He may be better than Gordon by the end of next year if not sooner (and that is no slight to Gordon)
I don't think so. Gordon Hayward is on the same level as Paul George offensively.

The main distinguishing feature is Hayward is a considerably better mid-range shooter and passer. If Brown can develop those aspects of his game to Hayward's level, with his athleticism, he'd be unstoppable

I don't think Brown will ever be a Real passer/ playmaker... I think he is a Gun in the mold of Kobe and Nique...  I think his elite Athleticism and his ability to Get to the rim against anyone is what makes him Special... I agree with GH being in the Paul George area offensively... But I think Brown is trending toward K Leonard.. which in my opinion is higher the PG... 

But time will tell..,  He still has work to do but man.. This is only his Second year... He is only 21 years old...  To even sniff GH at this point in his Career says a ton about where this kid is headed.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: gouki88 on April 23, 2018, 02:42:03 AM
So here is something scary... Jaylen's Second year in the postseason is very similar to Haywards postseason run last year... 

Judging by the way he is leading us in the postseason this year, Why is it hard to see him as a number option next year... 

He may be better than Gordon by the end of next year if not sooner (and that is no slight to Gordon)
I don't think so. Gordon Hayward is on the same level as Paul George offensively.

The main distinguishing feature is Hayward is a considerably better mid-range shooter and passer. If Brown can develop those aspects of his game to Hayward's level, with his athleticism, he'd be unstoppable

I don't think Brown will ever be a Real passer/ playmaker... I think he is a Gun in the mold of Kobe and Nique...  I think his elite Athleticism and his ability to Get to the rim against anyone is what makes him Special... I agree with GH being in the Paul George area offensively... But I think Brown is trending toward K Leonard.. which in my opinion is higher the PG... 

But time will tell..,  He still has work to do but man.. This is only his Second year... He is only 21 years old...  To even sniff GH at this point in his Career says a ton about where this kid is headed.
Oh yeah, I agree. I really think the sky is the limit for him. I just think it might take a bit longer because he won't get that many touches next year.

The beauty of Hayward is he can play anything from a 1st option to a 3rd, and make everyone around him better.

Our young wings + Hayward and Irving are going to be a devastating core for years to come
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: The One on April 23, 2018, 05:10:06 AM
On this team he’s #3.

On most lottery teams he’d be #1, averaging 22+ per night.

You mean like Klay Thompson?

I’ll take that.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Big333223 on April 23, 2018, 07:56:11 AM
I think Kyrie will still be the most talented individual scorer on the team next season and he'll be bringing the ball up so he'll be the clear #1. Hayward is a better playmaker than either Brown or Tatum so he'll be the #2 option but I wouldn't be surprised if he actually winds up taking fewer shots than Jalen or Jayson or both.

I'm looking forward to seeing how it all works next year. I can see all 4 guys averaging between 18-21 ppg, with Horford just slinging that ball around.

Jaylen's growth has been terrific to watch. Eventually, the goal for him will be to be a better playmaker and I can see him having a Paul Pierce kind of development ark in that respect. Tatum as well, though I think Tatum has shown better vision that Jaylen so far.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Roy H. on April 23, 2018, 08:09:06 AM
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I can see all 4 guys averaging between 18-21 ppg

I'm curious, has any team ever had four guys average 18+ points per game?
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: bopna on April 23, 2018, 08:26:14 AM
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I can see all 4 guys averaging between 18-21 ppg

I'm curious, has any team ever had four guys average 18+ points per game?
In game one we had 4 players 20 plus points and Tatum with 19

In a season... I can easily envision these figures
KI 22
GH  18
JB 18
JT 16
MM 14
AH 12
Rst of bench 15 to 20.

Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Big333223 on April 23, 2018, 08:31:15 AM
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I can see all 4 guys averaging between 18-21 ppg

I'm curious, has any team ever had four guys average 18+ points per game?

The Celtics did it in 1960, but in modern basketball, I don't know of anyone. The '87 Lakers had 4 guys average better than 17, which is the closest I've found.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Moranis on April 23, 2018, 08:33:39 AM
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I can see all 4 guys averaging between 18-21 ppg

I'm curious, has any team ever had four guys average 18+ points per game?
I looked, I figured if it happened it had to be in the high scoring 60's and my second guess I found the 66-67 Sixers.  Chamberlain 24.1, Greer 22.1, Walker 19.3, and Cunningham 18.5.  The team scored 125.2 ppg and actually had two other players at 12 or better.  They nearly did it again the following year as well.  The only other team I found that did it was the 69-70 Lakers, but Wilt only played in 12 games so I'm not sure I'd count that one.  Of course I didn't do an exhaustive search either. 
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Big333223 on April 23, 2018, 08:37:32 AM
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I can see all 4 guys averaging between 18-21 ppg

I'm curious, has any team ever had four guys average 18+ points per game?
I looked, I figured if it happened it had to be in the high scoring 60's and my second guess I found the 66-67 Sixers.  Chamberlain 24.1, Greer 22.1, Walker 19.3, and Cunningham 18.5.  The team scored 125.2 ppg and actually had two other players at 12 or better.  They nearly did it again the following year as well.  The only other team I found that did it was the 69-70 Lakers, but Wilt only played in 12 games so I'm not sure I'd count that one.  Of course I didn't do an exhaustive search either.

TP for finding ones I didn't.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: wdleehi on April 23, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
What if I think he might be the 4th option?


What if I think Tatum is going to take a big step up next year?   




But the other question to ask, is Horford ever going to be the 5th option?   I just don't see it since the offense runs so well through his hands.   



Honestly, next year if everyone is back healthy, and the young players continue to make strides; this team has "Contender Issues."   


And that makes me happy.   
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Green-18 on April 23, 2018, 09:02:39 AM
What if I think he might be the 4th option?


What if I think Tatum is going to take a big step up next year?   




But the other question to ask, is Horford ever going to be the 5th option?   I just don't see it since the offense runs so well through his hands.   



Honestly, next year if everyone is back healthy, and the young players continue to make strides; this team has "Contender Issues."   


And that makes me happy.

I decided to interpret "options" strictly based upon shot attempts and nothing else.  You are absolutely right about Horford.  It wouldn't surprise me to see him have a bunch of 7-10 assist games. 
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: gift on April 23, 2018, 09:04:37 AM
I think Kyrie will still be the most talented individual scorer on the team next season and he'll be bringing the ball up so he'll be the clear #1. Hayward is a better playmaker than either Brown or Tatum so he'll be the #2 option but I wouldn't be surprised if he actually winds up taking fewer shots than Jalen or Jayson or both.

I'm looking forward to seeing how it all works next year. I can see all 4 guys averaging between 18-21 ppg, with Horford just slinging that ball around.

Jaylen's growth has been terrific to watch. Eventually, the goal for him will be to be a better playmaker and I can see him having a Paul Pierce kind of development ark in that respect. Tatum as well, though I think Tatum has shown better vision that Jaylen so far.

You could see even in the preseason Hayward was trying to be a facilitator on offense. It's quite likely that he'll play a secondary playmaking role to Irving, while Brown and/or Tatum actually put up more shots.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: No Nickname on April 23, 2018, 11:39:39 AM
Forget next year. He should at least be a primary scoring option in this series given that he's being guarded by Brogdon. Sigh. #PostingAndToasting ;D

You realize that Brogdon was the ACC Defensive Player of the Year a few years ago?  He's one of the best man-to-man defenders in the league. 

It's not Brogdon that's leading to Brown's emergence.  It's Brown.  Plus, Brogdon is not guarding Brown most of the time.  At least after switches.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: CFAN38 on April 23, 2018, 11:52:46 AM
This team is going to be very unique next season.

I see next years Cs as have a option 1 then 2A,AB,2C

I expect Irving to still be the clear #1 option and average 20+ pts. After that I wouldn't be surprised to see Jaylen, Jason and Gordon all average around the same 15-16ppg. Al will likely take a step back in both MPG and FGA and continue to thrive in his facilitator role.

This lineup will expose any below average NBA perimeter defender.

 
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: CF033 on April 23, 2018, 12:07:02 PM
I think that Brown has the potential to be a 25-30 ppg scorer within two or three years. I feel like he has that intense drive in him to constantly improve, and the killer instinct on the court. That is why I think he could be at a higher level than Gordon Hayward by the end of next year.

I think next year Brown will be the #3 option for part of the year with the possibility of being the #2 option by year's end if he keeps on developing at the rate he's been going at. We'll see. But yea as long as Kyrie is here he'll probably be #1.

By playoff time next year:

#1: Kyrie
#2: Brown
#3: Hayward
#4: Tatum
#5: Horford

Tatum has a TON of potential too but I'm not sure yet if he has the same drive/killer instinct in him as Brown, time will tell.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Vermont Green on April 23, 2018, 12:46:25 PM
Hard to put numbers to these things but if we have everyone next season, Brown's role will be different and he will need to help the team in more ways than quantity of scoring.  If Brown is on the court with Kyrie and Hayward, the opposing defenses may treat him as the 3rd most important option but think how much more open he should be.  Scoring efficiency will be more important to team success than quantity of scoring.  Other aspects as well such as defense and rebounding.  I think he will adjust to that role just fine.

I would like to see Tatum off the bench next season.  That way he can be a #1-like scoring option but for the second unit.  I think that is a good way to use his game.  Let him focus more on scoring.

Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Big333223 on April 23, 2018, 12:56:19 PM
I think that Brown has the potential to be a 25-30 ppg scorer within two or three years. I feel like he has that intense drive in him to constantly improve, and the killer instinct on the court. That is why I think he could be at a higher level than Gordon Hayward by the end of next year.

I think next year Brown will be the #3 option for part of the year with the possibility of being the #2 option by year's end if he keeps on developing at the rate he's been going at. We'll see. But yea as long as Kyrie is here he'll probably be #1.

By playoff time next year:

#1: Kyrie
#2: Brown
#3: Hayward
#4: Tatum
#5: Horford

Tatum has a TON of potential too but I'm not sure yet if he has the same drive/killer instinct in him as Brown, time will tell.

That jumper to put the C's up by 1 toward the end of the game yesterday told me everything I need to know about Tatum's killer instinct.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: bknova on April 23, 2018, 01:05:55 PM
Pretty sure that he is currently proving that he can be a number 1 scoring option.  Next season, with three legit number 1 scorers on the team, we are gonna have a lot of fun.  A lot.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on April 23, 2018, 01:15:08 PM
not long as Uncle Drew is healthy . .....he is wizard with the ball , true star .

Hayward / Brown  equals

Tatum l with Smart and Theis

will alot of scoring
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: kozlodoev on April 23, 2018, 01:26:33 PM
He absolutely can be. Doesn't mean he will be, unless there are injuries.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: ETNCeltics on April 23, 2018, 01:47:05 PM
Jaylen has a ton of potential. No matter what happens with the rest of this series, to see him and Jayson combine for 55 points has to make any Celtic fan giddy with the future possibilities.

Having said that, expecting a 3rd year player who is still developing to be the primary scoring option on a team that has Kyrie Irving is pretty unrealistic.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Ed Hollison on April 23, 2018, 04:58:07 PM
I don't really care if Brown is a #1 option, #3 option, or whatever. All I know is that this kid is 21 and already has the capacity to shoot the 3, drive and finish at the rim, and defend like a maniac. Holy moly, he has the chance to be an absolute terror for the next 10+ years.

Amazingly, we might actually be underrating Hayward and Tatum. It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.

I kind of feel similarly about Tatum. He'll still be young, but just think about what he's already shown us this year. Add a little bit more muscle and a whole extra year of training and experience, and look out.

It's easy to sound like a homer, but think about this: arguably the two most important things you need in the NBA playoffs are 1) the ability to create one's own offense, and 2) the ability to switch on defense. The Celtics will have that in spades once they get Hayward and Kyrie back next year.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: SparzWizard on April 23, 2018, 05:03:39 PM
We must've overpaid Hayward if Tatum and Brown are balling up harder than expected.  ;D
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: kozlodoev on April 23, 2018, 05:36:25 PM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: GetLucky on April 23, 2018, 05:54:38 PM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Sophomore on April 23, 2018, 06:02:00 PM
Cannot wait to see all the ways Brad finds to spring this group.  And once the playoffs start, endless flexibility to find every opponent weak point and destroy it. So many weapons.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: nickagneta on April 23, 2018, 06:11:23 PM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

I love Haywsrd and think he will be a tremendous addition to this team, but yeah, he is pretty much a borderline All-Star. He averaged over 20 PPG only once 7 years in Utah, his TS% is a pretty average 56.3% for his career. He never averaged 6 RPG as a SF. Only once did he average over 4.1APG.

He will fit in seemlessly but given Jaylen's improvement arc and Hayward's possible need to ease into things, Jaylen could be this team's second scoring option next year.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on April 23, 2018, 06:16:14 PM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.

It doesn't surprise or worry me (much) that he is working with a walking specialist.  I had hip replacement surgery in June and it is a daily effort to remind myself to walk correctly.  Your muscles want to compensate and create new "muscle memory" but you have to train your muscles to operate the way it was before the injury (or in my case before the deterioration) -- all as you concurrently strengthen.  For me it requires a constant consciousness about body movement that never was needed before.   Hayward having this training, I believe, is what is going to allow him to return to his original, natural form.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: keevsnick on April 23, 2018, 06:32:38 PM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

I love Haywsrd and think he will be a tremendous addition to this team, but yeah, he is pretty much a borderline All-Star. He averaged over 20 PPG only once 7 years in Utah, his TS% is a pretty average 56.3% for his career. He never averaged 6 RPG as a SF. Only once did he average over 4.1APG.

He will fit in seemlessly but given Jaylen's improvement arc and Hayward's possible need to ease into things, Jaylen could be this team's second scoring option next year.

Haywards best year so far was a solid all star year, but I do think you are right in that Hayward him self is more like a solid  #2 option then a number one. Hes not a truly  élite offensive player. Add in hes going to basically have gone a year without being able to work on his game and he'll be coming of an injury and he may regress slightly. Even then I think its more likely that next year Jaylen will be the third option, but I dont think you can rule out that Jaylen over takes him next year ir the year after
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Ed Hollison on April 24, 2018, 10:14:28 AM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

I love Haywsrd and think he will be a tremendous addition to this team, but yeah, he is pretty much a borderline All-Star. He averaged over 20 PPG only once 7 years in Utah, his TS% is a pretty average 56.3% for his career. He never averaged 6 RPG as a SF. Only once did he average over 4.1APG.

He will fit in seemlessly but given Jaylen's improvement arc and Hayward's possible need to ease into things, Jaylen could be this team's second scoring option next year.

Haywards best year so far was a solid all star year, but I do think you are right in that Hayward him self is more like a solid  #2 option then a number one. Hes not a truly  élite offensive player. Add in hes going to basically have gone a year without being able to work on his game and he'll be coming of an injury and he may regress slightly. Even then I think its more likely that next year Jaylen will be the third option, but I dont think you can rule out that Jaylen over takes him next year ir the year after

Yeah, can't argue this enough: we are forgetting how good Hayward is.

The year before he joined us, he averaged 22ppg, shooting about 40% from 3 (on 5 attempts), 50% from 2, and 84% from the line. He was 19th in the entire league in offensive win shares, and 18th in offensive box plus/minus. In other words he was a really, really good offensive player, someone who could score a high volume of points efficiently.

Keep in mind I'm only talking about his scoring. He also happens to be a good passer, ball-handler (Stevens was thinking to use him as the primary ball-handler on the second unit this year), and a versatile defender.

I'm super optimistic about Brown and Tatum. But don't let the passage of time dim your memory of how good Hayward is.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on April 24, 2018, 10:16:09 AM
Not sure it matters who is the #1 scoring option. Honestly, I don't think it matters to any of the Celtic players too.

Everyone will get their chance in various matchups. What matters is that, as a team, they can be one of the best (if not the best) offensive teams in the league.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: PaulAllen on April 24, 2018, 10:31:26 AM
He will be pretty good in SA
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: gouki88 on April 24, 2018, 10:31:48 AM
He will be pretty good in SA
Watch your tongue!  ;D
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: kozlodoev on April 24, 2018, 10:31:48 AM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.
Don't know about Curry. But personally, when they're telling me that the guy who snapped his angle now needs help with the way he runs, I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: vjcsmoke on April 24, 2018, 10:58:49 AM
I'm going to put it out there right now -- Jaylen Brown has the upside to become the next Demar Derozan as far as a scoring option and the shooting guard position.  He has blossomed in the playoffs and he could become an all-star selection as a SG pretty soon.

That being said, it's hard to see him becoming the #1 scoring option when both Kyrie and Hayward will be returning healthy next year.  Also Tatum will be on his second season.  If both our kids continue to develop, I could see a GS Warriors situation though.  Who do you focus on stopping - Kyrie, Hayward, Brown, Tatum?  And Horford will hurt you too if you leave him open behind the stripe, or he'll just pass the ball to the open man if you close down.

I'm loving our core.  And honestly I'm thinking Brown has become untouchable unless it's Anthony Davis coming back on the other side.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: gift on April 24, 2018, 11:00:57 AM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.
Don't know about Curry. But personally, when they're telling me that the guy who snapped his angle now needs help with the way he runs, I'm concerned.

The team also said the both Hayward and the Celtics have previously worked with this particular running specialist. So, if there is a concern, I doubt it is explicitly related to the broken ankle. Hayward may have overcome a hitch in his run in the past and needs to re-learn to overcome the hitch since he went a long time without running.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: kozlodoev on April 24, 2018, 11:16:01 AM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.
Don't know about Curry. But personally, when they're telling me that the guy who snapped his angle now needs help with the way he runs, I'm concerned.

The team also said the both Hayward and the Celtics have previously worked with this particular running specialist. So, if there is a concern, I doubt it is explicitly related to the broken ankle. Hayward may have overcome a hitch in his run in the past and needs to re-learn to overcome the hitch since he went a long time without running.
Sure. And it's not worrisome to you that he needs to relearn how to run because of a traumatic injury? That's not "business as usual" to me.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Boris Badenov on April 24, 2018, 11:47:18 AM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.
Don't know about Curry. But personally, when they're telling me that the guy who snapped his angle now needs help with the way he runs, I'm concerned.

The team also said the both Hayward and the Celtics have previously worked with this particular running specialist. So, if there is a concern, I doubt it is explicitly related to the broken ankle. Hayward may have overcome a hitch in his run in the past and needs to re-learn to overcome the hitch since he went a long time without running.
Sure. And it's not worrisome to you that he needs to relearn how to run because of a traumatic injury? That's not "business as usual" to me.

Oooh. Watch out, Max Kellerman. You may be out of a job soon.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Monkhouse on April 24, 2018, 11:54:00 AM
In this team, and the motion offense, I don't think there is even a need for a #1 scoring option.

But Jaylen on any decent lottery team would be averaging at least 20 PPG. He's clearly shown that any issues with his offense has been mitigated and shown absolutely no sense of concern.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: kozlodoev on April 24, 2018, 12:10:16 PM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.
Don't know about Curry. But personally, when they're telling me that the guy who snapped his angle now needs help with the way he runs, I'm concerned.

The team also said the both Hayward and the Celtics have previously worked with this particular running specialist. So, if there is a concern, I doubt it is explicitly related to the broken ankle. Hayward may have overcome a hitch in his run in the past and needs to re-learn to overcome the hitch since he went a long time without running.
Sure. And it's not worrisome to you that he needs to relearn how to run because of a traumatic injury? That's not "business as usual" to me.

Oooh. Watch out, Max Kellerman. You may be out of a job soon.
If I recall correctly, Ainge said - literally - that he's away from the team working on his running mechanics. If you have to change something as basic as the way you run because of an injury, you've officially got me concerned. But perhaps I'm just paranoid, it won't be the first time.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: A Future of Stevens on April 24, 2018, 12:26:36 PM
I could be wrong, but weren't the Jazz one of the slowest teams in terms of pace last year with Hayward? I know the run and gun style tends to inflate the stats for some players in the league. 22ppg on good splits in a slow offense is pretty darn good.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Sophomore on April 24, 2018, 12:38:18 PM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.
Don't know about Curry. But personally, when they're telling me that the guy who snapped his angle now needs help with the way he runs, I'm concerned.

The team also said the both Hayward and the Celtics have previously worked with this particular running specialist. So, if there is a concern, I doubt it is explicitly related to the broken ankle. Hayward may have overcome a hitch in his run in the past and needs to re-learn to overcome the hitch since he went a long time without running.
Sure. And it's not worrisome to you that he needs to relearn how to run because of a traumatic injury? That's not "business as usual" to me.

The injury concerns me. The fact he’s maxing out every training and rehab option in his comeback does not. If you or I had a significant injury, we would be offered PT and an occupational therapist. Pro athletes that want to maximize their careers will get something more thorough. It’s not like he’s lurching around with major disfunction. This is to be sure he doesn’t reinjure himself or develop inefficiencies as he regains conditioning and restarts more intense work.

 
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: footey on April 24, 2018, 01:04:17 PM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.
Don't know about Curry. But personally, when they're telling me that the guy who snapped his angle now needs help with the way he runs, I'm concerned.

The team also said the both Hayward and the Celtics have previously worked with this particular running specialist. So, if there is a concern, I doubt it is explicitly related to the broken ankle. Hayward may have overcome a hitch in his run in the past and needs to re-learn to overcome the hitch since he went a long time without running.
Sure. And it's not worrisome to you that he needs to relearn how to run because of a traumatic injury? That's not "business as usual" to me.

Oooh. Watch out, Max Kellerman. You may be out of a job soon.
If I recall correctly, Ainge said - literally - that he's away from the team working on his running mechanics. If you have to change something as basic as the way you run because of an injury, you've officially got me concerned. But perhaps I'm just paranoid, it won't be the first time.

I’m with Koz on this. I tend to worry about our guys coming back from major injuries. Hope he returns 100%.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: gift on April 24, 2018, 01:05:43 PM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.
Don't know about Curry. But personally, when they're telling me that the guy who snapped his angle now needs help with the way he runs, I'm concerned.

The team also said the both Hayward and the Celtics have previously worked with this particular running specialist. So, if there is a concern, I doubt it is explicitly related to the broken ankle. Hayward may have overcome a hitch in his run in the past and needs to re-learn to overcome the hitch since he went a long time without running.
Sure. And it's not worrisome to you that he needs to relearn how to run because of a traumatic injury? That's not "business as usual" to me.

It would be worrisome to me if I knew it was because of the injury. The fact that Hayward has worked with this specialist in the past tells me it's likely he has/had some mechanical issues that pre-date the injury, and perhaps it's the time off that's requiring him to re-visit the specialist, not the physical status of the injury itself.

It certainly could be because of the injury, and I'd agree that's very concerning. I just haven't heard anything that made me think that it is, so I'm not concerned at this point.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Boris Badenov on April 24, 2018, 01:06:32 PM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.
Don't know about Curry. But personally, when they're telling me that the guy who snapped his angle now needs help with the way he runs, I'm concerned.

The team also said the both Hayward and the Celtics have previously worked with this particular running specialist. So, if there is a concern, I doubt it is explicitly related to the broken ankle. Hayward may have overcome a hitch in his run in the past and needs to re-learn to overcome the hitch since he went a long time without running.
Sure. And it's not worrisome to you that he needs to relearn how to run because of a traumatic injury? That's not "business as usual" to me.

Oooh. Watch out, Max Kellerman. You may be out of a job soon.
If I recall correctly, Ainge said - literally - that he's away from the team working on his running mechanics. If you have to change something as basic as the way you run because of an injury, you've officially got me concerned. But perhaps I'm just paranoid, it won't be the first time.

You don’t recall correctly. Maybe that’s the issue. At no point did the article say there was an issue with his running mechanics.

What it did say is that he’s seeing a running specialist, which is something who’s making more than a hundred million dollars to play basketball would do, in order to check that the injury isn’t causing him to favor his leg or something.

But you said he has to “relearn how to run.” Which is patently ridiculous given what was actually written.

I mean he’s probably seeing an orthopedist periodically too. Oh no! Has he broken his leg again?
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: kozlodoev on April 24, 2018, 01:37:50 PM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.
Don't know about Curry. But personally, when they're telling me that the guy who snapped his angle now needs help with the way he runs, I'm concerned.

The team also said the both Hayward and the Celtics have previously worked with this particular running specialist. So, if there is a concern, I doubt it is explicitly related to the broken ankle. Hayward may have overcome a hitch in his run in the past and needs to re-learn to overcome the hitch since he went a long time without running.
Sure. And it's not worrisome to you that he needs to relearn how to run because of a traumatic injury? That's not "business as usual" to me.

Oooh. Watch out, Max Kellerman. You may be out of a job soon.
If I recall correctly, Ainge said - literally - that he's away from the team working on his running mechanics. If you have to change something as basic as the way you run because of an injury, you've officially got me concerned. But perhaps I'm just paranoid, it won't be the first time.

You don’t recall correctly. Maybe that’s the issue. At no point did the article say there was an issue with his running mechanics.

What it did say is that he’s seeing a running specialist, which is something who’s making more than a hundred million dollars to play basketball would do, in order to check that the injury isn’t causing him to favor his leg or something.

But you said he has to “relearn how to run.” Which is patently ridiculous given what was actually written.

I mean he’s probably seeing an orthopedist periodically too. Oh no! Has he broken his leg again?
You're reading the article. I listened to the actual SportsHub interview.

https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/986979013464875018
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Boris Badenov on April 24, 2018, 01:48:57 PM
It's hard to remember, but Hayward was an elite wing last year. He was not some fringe all-star, he was a superb scorer and good at pretty much everything else. Even if it takes time for him to come back to 100%, the expectation should be that he's going to be 2nd to Kyrie in terms of being a primary scorer and primary ball handler next season.
Except that's pretty much exactly what he is, a one-time allstar who was a ho-hum 20 ppg scorer in heavy minutes for the most part of his productive career.

Also, the fact that he's seeing a foot specialist right now that's going to teach him how to run should give you a major pause.

That’s a big reach, especially considering the fact that the only other NBA player I know who saw a walking/running specialist to manage the way he runs is Stephen Curry.
Don't know about Curry. But personally, when they're telling me that the guy who snapped his angle now needs help with the way he runs, I'm concerned.

The team also said the both Hayward and the Celtics have previously worked with this particular running specialist. So, if there is a concern, I doubt it is explicitly related to the broken ankle. Hayward may have overcome a hitch in his run in the past and needs to re-learn to overcome the hitch since he went a long time without running.
Sure. And it's not worrisome to you that he needs to relearn how to run because of a traumatic injury? That's not "business as usual" to me.

Oooh. Watch out, Max Kellerman. You may be out of a job soon.
If I recall correctly, Ainge said - literally - that he's away from the team working on his running mechanics. If you have to change something as basic as the way you run because of an injury, you've officially got me concerned. But perhaps I'm just paranoid, it won't be the first time.

You don’t recall correctly. Maybe that’s the issue. At no point did the article say there was an issue with his running mechanics.

What it did say is that he’s seeing a running specialist, which is something who’s making more than a hundred million dollars to play basketball would do, in order to check that the injury isn’t causing him to favor his leg or something.

But you said he has to “relearn how to run.” Which is patently ridiculous given what was actually written.

I mean he’s probably seeing an orthopedist periodically too. Oh no! Has he broken his leg again?
You're reading the article. I listened to the actual SportsHub interview.

https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/986979013464875018

"Working on his running mechanics" does not equal "relearning how to run."

Nor does "working on his running mechanics" even mean there's a problem with his mechanics.

Here is the non-hot-take quote in context:

Quote
Ainge said the team is sending him to Indianapolis for the next phase of the rehab process to work with a leading specialist in running mechanics. Both the Celtics and Hayward have worked with the specialist before. Ainge added that he thinks Hayward is progressing nicely.

Show me where anyone identified a specific problem that is interfering with his recovery.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: vjcsmoke on April 24, 2018, 02:34:38 PM
Could we just start a Gordon Hayward thread for those concerned about his recovery?  This started as a thread on Jaylen Brown and it would be nice to stay on point.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: Boris Badenov on April 24, 2018, 02:47:43 PM
Could we just start a Gordon Hayward thread for those concerned about his recovery?  This started as a thread on Jaylen Brown and it would be nice to stay on point.

You're right, sorry about that. I have no idea how it derailed but I ended up being part of the problem.

As far as Brown, I could definitely see him as a #1 if he takes another leap. I was pretty skeptical on how much he could improve from where he was at mid-year, but his offensive game and confidence seem to be growing so fast I don't know any more.

Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: vjcsmoke on April 24, 2018, 06:03:30 PM
So who thinks Jaylen Brown can put up another 30 point night against the Bucks in game 5 tonight?  I'm thinking the odds are at least 40% that he goes off for another 30+ based on the confidence with which he is playing now.  Minimum of 25 pts.

I think Brad is smart and will find a way to ride the hot hand.  We just need to let JB go off and try to limit Giannis to low percentage shooting and we can probably pull out this series.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: TheReaLPuba on April 25, 2018, 03:34:33 PM
Jalen's shot has drastically improved and I believe he can be a legit go-to-scorer a la Kobe Bryant.

He may not have that Mamba mentality but he's got the athleticism and the shot now.
Title: Re: Can Jaylen Brown be a #1 scoring option as early as next year?(Poll)
Post by: dreamgreen on April 25, 2018, 04:26:17 PM
JB is one of my favorites maybe my favorite! Saying that IMO I don't think on a contender he is the #1 option ready at this point but hopefully I'm wrong. More work on his handle and understanding of what teams will do to him defensively will get him to the next level.