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Title: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: kne on April 16, 2018, 10:37:13 AM
With Kawhi becoming the NBA's Waldo, I was wondering whether anyone spotted Gordon at the game last night? Kyrie and Marcus were there, but I don't recall seeing Hayward, nor has he posted about the game on Twitter?
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: tonydelk on April 16, 2018, 10:44:20 AM
I actually asked the same question.  You'd think that he'd be there supporting his team in the playoffs from the bench.  I know I read somewhere he rehabs during the games at the facility but it would have been nice to see him there cheering with Marcus and Kyrie. 
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: mutineer33 on April 16, 2018, 10:45:36 AM
With Kawhi becoming the NBA's Waldo, I was wondering whether anyone spotted Gordon at the game last night? Kyrie and Marcus were there, but I don't recall seeing Hayward, nor has he posted about the game on Twitter?

I noticed this too ... Kyrie, Smart, and Theisss (off his knee surgery) were all there and actively engaged in supporting the team.  I did not see GH.
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 16, 2018, 10:59:52 AM
With Kawhi becoming the NBA's Waldo, I was wondering whether anyone spotted Gordon at the game last night? Kyrie and Marcus were there, but I don't recall seeing Hayward, nor has he posted about the game on Twitter?

I noticed this too ... Kyrie, Smart, and Theisss (off his knee surgery) were all there and actively engaged in supporting the team.  I did not see GH.

I smell controversy!

"Topping this morning's sports headlines: Does Gordon Hayward want out of Boston?"

;D
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: straightouttabahstun on April 16, 2018, 11:10:52 AM
I could see a couple reasons...

1. Wondering if he was spending time with his family. He does have two young daughters. He's gonna be playing games for the Boston Celtics for a while. Especially if they're a title contender starting next season, he won't get to see them very much with all these deep postseason runs. I could see that being a factor.

2. Does he still feel guilty/helpless watching the team play at all? He mentioned in his blog a while back that he still feels this way from time to time. That's probably not the reason, but I guess its one thought.
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on April 16, 2018, 11:21:58 AM
No concern with Gordy.  He appears to be a great teammate with an authentic loyalty to Brad.  I can't wait to get him back next season.
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: johnnygreen on April 16, 2018, 11:38:42 AM
With Kawhi becoming the NBA's Waldo, I was wondering whether anyone spotted Gordon at the game last night? Kyrie and Marcus were there, but I don't recall seeing Hayward, nor has he posted about the game on Twitter?

I noticed this too ... Kyrie, Smart, and Theisss (off his knee surgery) were all there and actively engaged in supporting the team.  I did not see GH.

As I was watching the game, I was wondering the same thing. I understand that he is still rehabbing and hasn't been on the bench during the regular season. However, I was hoping to see him on the bench during the playoffs. He has played against some of these guys, and may notice tendencies and can offer advice to either Tatum or Brown. Both of those guys are young and will soak up any advice they can get, especially if it will help win a game in a series. Tatum and Brown have a lot of pressure to perform well and score in these playoffs, especially since the burden to score is on them now that Irving (and Hayward) and done for the season. The fact that Hayward plays their same positions just seems odd to me that he wouldn't be on the bench to help make some contribution in the teams biggest time of need.

Having said that, I still can't wait to see him on the court next season, nor do I question his dedication or loyalty to the Celtics.
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on April 17, 2018, 09:38:36 AM
It hurts his spirit. I think it is the reason. I read it somewhere.
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/12/20/gordon-hayward-ankle-injury-boston-celtics-brad-stevens-kyrie-irving (https://www.si.com/nba/2017/12/20/gordon-hayward-ankle-injury-boston-celtics-brad-stevens-kyrie-irving)
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: johnnygreen on April 17, 2018, 09:49:09 AM
2 1/2 of sitting is a long time. I think it is the reason. I read it somewhere.

At this point in his rehab, that seems like a weak excuse. The dude is posting Instagram picks of himself working out. So he can workout but can't sit? Even if that is the case where he can't sit for 2 1/2 hours, I'm sure he could get up and walk in the tunnel to loosen up. I'm just curious as to whos decision it is to not have him at the games and if it will continue during the playoffs.
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: green_bballers13 on April 17, 2018, 10:05:43 AM
I was just reading about this controversy on www.nobodycares.com/find_drama_somewhere_else
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: incoherent on April 17, 2018, 10:47:22 AM
Hayward had publically stated it is too difficult for him to be at the games.

Hayward was at the first half of the Golden State game in reg season and had to leave in 2nd half because it was too hard for him.

Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: FatKidsDad on April 17, 2018, 11:44:25 AM
KG would not sit on the bench when injured because the frustration of being unable to play was too much for him. Nobody questioned his loyalty or commitment.
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: mutineer33 on April 18, 2018, 09:37:17 AM
No concern with Gordy.  He appears to be a great teammate with an authentic loyalty to Brad.  I can't wait to get him back next season.

I like Gordon ... but leadership matters. Theiss has a right to be back in Germany yet he chose to be here. Kyrie making his presence known is a solid move.  GH not being there is not the end of the world but it bothers me.
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: gouki88 on April 18, 2018, 09:48:45 AM
No concern with Gordy.  He appears to be a great teammate with an authentic loyalty to Brad.  I can't wait to get him back next season.

I like Gordon ... but leadership matters. Theiss has a right to be back in Germany yet he chose to be here. Kyrie making his presence known is a solid move.  GH not being there is not the end of the world but it bothers me.
Gordon was in Indianapolis with a running mechanics specialist doing rehab, according to the team
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: mutineer33 on April 18, 2018, 09:52:45 AM
No concern with Gordy.  He appears to be a great teammate with an authentic loyalty to Brad.  I can't wait to get him back next season.

I like Gordon ... but leadership matters. Theiss has a right to be back in Germany yet he chose to be here. Kyrie making his presence known is a solid move.  GH not being there is not the end of the world but it bothers me.

Gordon was in Indianapolis with a running mechanics specialist doing rehab, according to the team

Fair enough then if true
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: bdm860 on April 18, 2018, 10:54:17 AM
KG would not sit on the bench when injured because the frustration of being unable to play was too much for him. Nobody questioned his loyalty or commitment.

I've heard this said multiple times, but didn't this picture come from C's/Bulls 1st round in '09?

(http://i.imgur.com/xiKxjEI.jpg)




Anyway back to Hayward, I know he's rehabbing in Indiana right now, and there's this from the SI artcile spikelovetheCelts linked:

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Early on, Hayward would hobble down to his basement theater at tip-off, fidgeting with the ball Stevens brought him in the hospital. “I could usually make it to halftime,” he says, “and then it would be like, All right, I’m done, I have to turn this off.” If the Celtics were winning, he felt sorry for himself, because he was missing out. If they were losing, he felt sorry for everybody else, because he couldn’t help. He tried going to a home game against the Warriors. “That was the worst,” Hayward says. “I was so close.” He retreated from the bench to the locker room for the second half as Boston toppled Golden State, a source of immense pride and unspeakable agony.

I get how sitting on the bench can be tough (well I think I do anyway, not really in their shoes), but I wonder if he'd enjoy it more now if he gave it another try.  Being the only sitting out, with no hope of return, has to be miserable, but could it be a different experience with others sitting there with him now?  He has Smart, Irving, and Theis to sit with and talk to now, so it wouldn't just be Hayward by himself.  Now if Hayward is feeling frustrated and says, "Man I wish I was out there...", Kyrie is there to slap him on the back and say, "Me too man, me too."  There's no longer that extreme feeling of isolation.

Not that I expect Hayward to try this, but I think it could be a different/better experience now.
Title: Re: Was Hayward at the game?
Post by: fairweatherfan on April 18, 2018, 11:12:25 AM
KG would not sit on the bench when injured because the frustration of being unable to play was too much for him. Nobody questioned his loyalty or commitment.

I've heard this said multiple times, but didn't this picture come from C's/Bulls 1st round in '09?

(http://i.imgur.com/xiKxjEI.jpg)



It is. I think he went back and forth, and part of the reason he stopped sitting on the bench was because he kept getting into it with opponents.