CelticsStrong

Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Boris Badenov on April 12, 2018, 01:14:22 PM

Title: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Boris Badenov on April 12, 2018, 01:14:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLp0CQRLgfQ

Yes, it's one game but this is about as well as he could have ended the year.

I'm impressed by how well his athletic tools have translated to the NBA. He still looks really big, fast and coordinated for a PG.

He also seems to have great court vision and a potential knack for big plays. If he keeps it up in the post-season, expectations for next year in Philly will be sky-high, and for good reason.

Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: gift on April 12, 2018, 01:22:16 PM
What a strange story his year has been.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: liam on April 12, 2018, 01:24:42 PM
I liked Fultz a lot coming in. I was all for The Celtics taking him at #1. I think he just needs to take care of some maturity issues and he'll be fine. I am also very happy with Tatum. He plays with a maturity beyond his years. I think in a couple of years this will be looked on as an excellent draft class.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: footey on April 12, 2018, 01:25:23 PM
If he gets his 3 point shot back, wow.

Could be major component of Sixer trade package for Leonard. Along with Laker pick. Leonard makes more sense for them than Lebron both age wise and position wise. That would be a tough team to beat.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: footey on April 12, 2018, 01:28:54 PM
I liked Fultz a lot coming in. I was all for The Celtics taking him at #1. I think he just needs to take care of some maturity issues and he'll be fine. I am also very happy with Tatum. He plays with a maturity beyond his years. I think in a couple of years this will be looked on as an excellent draft class.

I think it already is, but only more so if Fultz and Ball reach expectations.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Donoghus on April 12, 2018, 01:35:25 PM
Impressive but tough to gauge considering MIL just rolled over last night. 
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: GreenShooter on April 12, 2018, 01:35:26 PM
Let's hope hes' not to the Celtics what Andrew Toney was. Should be an interesting rivalry redux if all parties stay healthy.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: celticsclay on April 12, 2018, 01:41:44 PM
Before this thread gets too wild it is probably worth noting that the Bucks really didn't try very hard. Bledsoe played 9 minutes and the majority of his damage came against Sterling Brown, a gimpy Delladova playing his first minutes in 2.5 months and the prodigal Brandon Jennings.

To put these end of seasons games in perspective Alec Peters had 36 points, 9 rebounds, Dillon Brooks had 36 points, Josh Hart had 30 points and Erik Moreland had 16 points, 17 rebounds (not to mention Baynes put up 26-14).

This isn't to say whether Fultz will be good or bad, but the majority of games outside Denver Minnesota and Portland Utah were not NBA basketball games last night.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: blink on April 12, 2018, 01:43:09 PM
It wasn't just the last game of the season that was impressive by Fultz.  He has had a number of decent games in the last couple of weeks since he came back.  I mean it is only a couple of weeks, but the case of the yips that he had seems to have been corrected.  I don't want him to be good, but he has looked good.

Everything is lining up for a future Sixer / Celtic renewed rivalry in the next few years. 
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: celticsclay on April 12, 2018, 02:10:19 PM
It wasn't just the last game of the season that was impressive by Fultz.  He has had a number of decent games in the last couple of weeks since he came back.  I mean it is only a couple of weeks, but the case of the yips that he had seems to have been corrected.  I don't want him to be good, but he has looked good.

Everything is lining up for a future Sixer / Celtic renewed rivalry in the next few years.

I guess. He shot about 40% from field since coming back, didn't hit free throws and didn't hit a 3. Showed good ability to get to the rim and good assist to turnover ratio. Seems like we are setting the bar real low if we say he has looked good for a number one pick (his starring in this pickup game against backups not withstanding)
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: blink on April 12, 2018, 02:20:56 PM
It wasn't just the last game of the season that was impressive by Fultz.  He has had a number of decent games in the last couple of weeks since he came back.  I mean it is only a couple of weeks, but the case of the yips that he had seems to have been corrected.  I don't want him to be good, but he has looked good.

Everything is lining up for a future Sixer / Celtic renewed rivalry in the next few years.

I guess. He shot about 40% from field since coming back, didn't hit free throws and didn't hit a 3. Showed good ability to get to the rim and good assist to turnover ratio. Seems like we are setting the bar real low if we say he has looked good for a number one pick (his starring in this pickup game against backups not withstanding)

I said he looked good, I didn't say he was shooting a great %, or that he deserved any praise that wasn't warranted. 

Compared to how he looked early in the season, he looked good.  He was scoring, making assists, using his length and his quickness.  He looked like he belonged.  If that bar is too low for you fine.  It isn't for me.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: celticsclay on April 12, 2018, 02:34:37 PM
It wasn't just the last game of the season that was impressive by Fultz.  He has had a number of decent games in the last couple of weeks since he came back.  I mean it is only a couple of weeks, but the case of the yips that he had seems to have been corrected.  I don't want him to be good, but he has looked good.

Everything is lining up for a future Sixer / Celtic renewed rivalry in the next few years.

I guess. He shot about 40% from field since coming back, didn't hit free throws and didn't hit a 3. Showed good ability to get to the rim and good assist to turnover ratio. Seems like we are setting the bar real low if we say he has looked good for a number one pick (his starring in this pickup game against backups not withstanding)

I said he looked good, I didn't say he was shooting a great %, or that he deserved any praise that wasn't warranted. 

Compared to how he looked early in the season, he looked good.  He was scoring, making assists, using his length and his quickness.  He looked like he belonged.  If that bar is too low for you fine.  It isn't for me.

Would you say if we had never made the trade and this was the season he had for us as a number 1 pick we would be happy as fans? Just that he looked like he belongs in the league? Semi looks like he belongs in the league.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Moranis on April 12, 2018, 02:41:12 PM
It wasn't just the last game of the season that was impressive by Fultz.  He has had a number of decent games in the last couple of weeks since he came back.  I mean it is only a couple of weeks, but the case of the yips that he had seems to have been corrected.  I don't want him to be good, but he has looked good.

Everything is lining up for a future Sixer / Celtic renewed rivalry in the next few years.

I guess. He shot about 40% from field since coming back, didn't hit free throws and didn't hit a 3. Showed good ability to get to the rim and good assist to turnover ratio. Seems like we are setting the bar real low if we say he has looked good for a number one pick (his starring in this pickup game against backups not withstanding)

I said he looked good, I didn't say he was shooting a great %, or that he deserved any praise that wasn't warranted. 

Compared to how he looked early in the season, he looked good.  He was scoring, making assists, using his length and his quickness.  He looked like he belonged.  If that bar is too low for you fine.  It isn't for me.

Would you say if we had never made the trade and this was the season he had for us as a number 1 pick we would be happy as fans? Just that he looked like he belongs in the league? Semi looks like he belongs in the league.
He looked a lot better than just belonging in the league.  He also missed the vast majority of the year with an "injury". 
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: blink on April 12, 2018, 02:46:02 PM
It wasn't just the last game of the season that was impressive by Fultz.  He has had a number of decent games in the last couple of weeks since he came back.  I mean it is only a couple of weeks, but the case of the yips that he had seems to have been corrected.  I don't want him to be good, but he has looked good.

Everything is lining up for a future Sixer / Celtic renewed rivalry in the next few years.

I guess. He shot about 40% from field since coming back, didn't hit free throws and didn't hit a 3. Showed good ability to get to the rim and good assist to turnover ratio. Seems like we are setting the bar real low if we say he has looked good for a number one pick (his starring in this pickup game against backups not withstanding)

I said he looked good, I didn't say he was shooting a great %, or that he deserved any praise that wasn't warranted. 

Compared to how he looked early in the season, he looked good.  He was scoring, making assists, using his length and his quickness.  He looked like he belonged.  If that bar is too low for you fine.  It isn't for me.

Would you say if we had never made the trade and this was the season he had for us as a number 1 pick we would be happy as fans? Just that he looked like he belongs in the league? Semi looks like he belongs in the league.

I am happy we drafted Tatum.  I am sure every Celtic fan would be disappointed if we drafted Fultz and he had the year that he had.  But cmon, at the end of the year he has looked better than Semi, that is just a silly comparison. 

Why are you nit picking my posts?  I said I thought he looked good.  If you disagree, disagree no big deal.  Relax my friend.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: celticsclay on April 12, 2018, 02:58:31 PM
It wasn't just the last game of the season that was impressive by Fultz.  He has had a number of decent games in the last couple of weeks since he came back.  I mean it is only a couple of weeks, but the case of the yips that he had seems to have been corrected.  I don't want him to be good, but he has looked good.

Everything is lining up for a future Sixer / Celtic renewed rivalry in the next few years.

I guess. He shot about 40% from field since coming back, didn't hit free throws and didn't hit a 3. Showed good ability to get to the rim and good assist to turnover ratio. Seems like we are setting the bar real low if we say he has looked good for a number one pick (his starring in this pickup game against backups not withstanding)

I said he looked good, I didn't say he was shooting a great %, or that he deserved any praise that wasn't warranted. 

Compared to how he looked early in the season, he looked good.  He was scoring, making assists, using his length and his quickness.  He looked like he belonged.  If that bar is too low for you fine.  It isn't for me.

Would you say if we had never made the trade and this was the season he had for us as a number 1 pick we would be happy as fans? Just that he looked like he belongs in the league? Semi looks like he belongs in the league.

I am happy we drafted Tatum.  I am sure every Celtic fan would be disappointed if we drafted Fultz and he had the year that he had.  But cmon, at the end of the year he has looked better than Semi, that is just a silly comparison. 

Why are you nit picking my posts?  I said I thought he looked good.  If you disagree, disagree no big deal.  Relax my friend.

I wasn't trying to nitpick your post. I really was just trying to understand what you meant. Sorry it came off differently.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: blink on April 12, 2018, 03:03:27 PM
It wasn't just the last game of the season that was impressive by Fultz.  He has had a number of decent games in the last couple of weeks since he came back.  I mean it is only a couple of weeks, but the case of the yips that he had seems to have been corrected.  I don't want him to be good, but he has looked good.

Everything is lining up for a future Sixer / Celtic renewed rivalry in the next few years.

I guess. He shot about 40% from field since coming back, didn't hit free throws and didn't hit a 3. Showed good ability to get to the rim and good assist to turnover ratio. Seems like we are setting the bar real low if we say he has looked good for a number one pick (his starring in this pickup game against backups not withstanding)

I said he looked good, I didn't say he was shooting a great %, or that he deserved any praise that wasn't warranted. 

Compared to how he looked early in the season, he looked good.  He was scoring, making assists, using his length and his quickness.  He looked like he belonged.  If that bar is too low for you fine.  It isn't for me.

Would you say if we had never made the trade and this was the season he had for us as a number 1 pick we would be happy as fans? Just that he looked like he belongs in the league? Semi looks like he belongs in the league.

I am happy we drafted Tatum.  I am sure every Celtic fan would be disappointed if we drafted Fultz and he had the year that he had.  But cmon, at the end of the year he has looked better than Semi, that is just a silly comparison. 

Why are you nit picking my posts?  I said I thought he looked good.  If you disagree, disagree no big deal.  Relax my friend.

I wasn't trying to nitpick your post. I really was just trying to understand what you meant. Sorry it came off differently.

no worries :)
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: PhoSita on April 12, 2018, 03:03:29 PM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Eja117 on April 12, 2018, 03:06:05 PM
emptiest triple double ever?
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: hpantazo on April 12, 2018, 03:13:28 PM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.

Ilyasova, Bellineli , Fultz and Holmes is a decent bench now too
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: celticsclay on April 12, 2018, 04:01:27 PM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.

phosita you realize Larkin would have probably had one if he played more in 4th last night? I think they are silly to go wild over in a regular game, when they are in glorified exhibitions against backups it is just flat out asinine.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Boris Badenov on April 12, 2018, 04:32:13 PM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.

phosita you realize Larkin would have probably had one if he played more in 4th last night? I think they are silly to go wild over in a regular game, when they are in glorified exhibitions against backups it is just flat out asinine.

Does this mean I should wait on betting that Aron Baynes will make the HOF?

http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/post-041118-baynes-leads-celtics-final-win-making-history-process?sf186804854=1
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: celticsclay on April 12, 2018, 04:37:16 PM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.

phosita you realize Larkin would have probably had one if he played more in 4th last night? I think they are silly to go wild over in a regular game, when they are in glorified exhibitions against backups it is just flat out asinine.

Does this mean I should wait on betting that Aron Baynes will make the HOF?

http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/post-041118-baynes-leads-celtics-final-win-making-history-process?sf186804854=1

I think so. Also Alex Peters.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: playdream on April 12, 2018, 04:43:33 PM
Can he shoot over 10feet now?
Anything else isn't important
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on April 12, 2018, 06:11:17 PM
Right now, Simmons and Fultz seem to be trading minutes. One is on, the other is off. They rarely share the floor.

I'm curious if they will be able to exist on the court together. That and health seem to be the two concerns facing Philly in the future.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: tazzmaniac on April 12, 2018, 06:17:43 PM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.
The Sixers starting 5 had the best net rating of any 5 man lineup playing over 300 minutes.  That lineup had better offensive and defensive ratings than the best offensive and defensive teams (117.1 offrtg and 95.7 defrtg). 
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Surferdad on April 12, 2018, 06:35:52 PM
emptiest triple double ever?
Lots of personal bests in the last day of the season. Young guys especially. Meaningless.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: footey on April 12, 2018, 06:51:01 PM
Right now, Simmons and Fultz seem to be trading minutes. One is on, the other is off. They rarely share the floor.

I'm curious if they will be able to exist on the court together. That and health seem to be the two concerns facing Philly in the
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: liam on April 12, 2018, 08:03:55 PM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.
The Sixers starting 5 had the best net rating of any 5 man lineup playing over 300 minutes.  That lineup had better offensive and defensive ratings than the best offensive and defensive teams (117.1 offrtg and 95.7 defrtg).

The Sixers have a very high talent level right now but they still have to put it all together.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: tazzmaniac on April 12, 2018, 09:03:35 PM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.
The Sixers starting 5 had the best net rating of any 5 man lineup playing over 300 minutes.  That lineup had better offensive and defensive ratings than the best offensive and defensive teams (117.1 offrtg and 95.7 defrtg).

The Sixers have a very high talent level right now but they still have to put it all together.
5th best regular season record and 3rd seed in the East is pretty pulled together already.  They need to make the right moves to become a true contender for the next decade.  What they do in free agency this offseason is going to be interesting and could enhance or stunt their potential. 
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on April 12, 2018, 09:23:05 PM
emptiest triple double ever?
Lots of personal bests in the last day of the season. Young guys especially. Meaningless.

A triple double in 25 mins, as a guy who had the yips bad enough to keep him out all season, is a big deal no matter how you slice it.  If it had been Jaylen or Jayson, the forum's server would be down.  That's a flash that you expect to see from a top pick and future star. 
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: gouki88 on April 12, 2018, 09:44:42 PM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.
The Sixers starting 5 had the best net rating of any 5 man lineup playing over 300 minutes.  That lineup had better offensive and defensive ratings than the best offensive and defensive teams (117.1 offrtg and 95.7 defrtg).

The Sixers have a very high talent level right now but they still have to put it all together.
5th best regular season record and 3rd seed in the East is pretty pulled together already.  They need to make the right moves to become a true contender for the next decade.  What they do in free agency this offseason is going to be interesting and could enhance or stunt their potential.
I do agree that they're in a really good place, yet I feel as if their record is a bit inflated due to their somewhat empty win streak (beat 13 lottery teams, and there are lots of tanking teams). With Simmons still lacking a truly deadly offensive game (lack of free throw shooting and any shooting from range) I think they won't be a true contender, unless they snag LeBron / Paul George / whoever.

If they get a top 20 type player then Boston v Philly (assuming both teams are healthy) will be an awesome match-up. I look forward to it
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: celticsclay on April 12, 2018, 10:03:18 PM
emptiest triple double ever?
Lots of personal bests in the last day of the season. Young guys especially. Meaningless.

A triple double in 25 mins, as a guy who had the yips bad enough to keep him out all season, is a big deal no matter how you slice it.  If it had been Jaylen or Jayson, the forum's server would be down.  That's a flash that you expect to see from a top pick and future star.

Allen ray once had like 30 something right?i assure you the servers didn't go down
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: celticsclay on April 12, 2018, 10:04:39 PM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.
The Sixers starting 5 had the best net rating of any 5 man lineup playing over 300 minutes.  That lineup had better offensive and defensive ratings than the best offensive and defensive teams (117.1 offrtg and 95.7 defrtg).

The Sixers have a very high talent level right now but they still have to put it all together.
5th best regular season record and 3rd seed in the East is pretty pulled together already.  They need to make the right moves to become a true contender for the next decade.  What they do in free agency this offseason is going to be interesting and could enhance or stunt their potential.
I do agree that they're in a really good place, yet I feel as if their record is a bit inflated due to their somewhat empty win streak (beat 13 lottery teams, and there are lots of tanking teams). With Simmons still lacking a truly deadly offensive game (lack of free throw shooting and any shooting from range) I think they won't be a true contender, unless they snag LeBron / Paul George / whoever.

If they get a top 20 type player then Boston v Philly (assuming both teams are healthy) will be an awesome match-up. I look forward to it

Thank you for being one of the few people that understands what was happening with the 76ers win streak. Playing 13 teams out of 17 that want to lose the game and are sitting players is incredible. Could even argue 14 since bucks had no interest in winning last night
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on April 12, 2018, 10:10:24 PM
emptiest triple double ever?
Lots of personal bests in the last day of the season. Young guys especially. Meaningless.

A triple double in 25 mins, as a guy who had the yips bad enough to keep him out all season, is a big deal no matter how you slice it.  If it had been Jaylen or Jayson, the forum's server would be down.  That's a flash that you expect to see from a top pick and future star.

Allen ray once had like 30 something right?i assure you the servers didn't go down

Veiled internet quality brag
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Moranis on April 13, 2018, 10:04:39 AM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.
The Sixers starting 5 had the best net rating of any 5 man lineup playing over 300 minutes.  That lineup had better offensive and defensive ratings than the best offensive and defensive teams (117.1 offrtg and 95.7 defrtg).

The Sixers have a very high talent level right now but they still have to put it all together.
5th best regular season record and 3rd seed in the East is pretty pulled together already.  They need to make the right moves to become a true contender for the next decade.  What they do in free agency this offseason is going to be interesting and could enhance or stunt their potential.
I do agree that they're in a really good place, yet I feel as if their record is a bit inflated due to their somewhat empty win streak (beat 13 lottery teams, and there are lots of tanking teams). With Simmons still lacking a truly deadly offensive game (lack of free throw shooting and any shooting from range) I think they won't be a true contender, unless they snag LeBron / Paul George / whoever.

If they get a top 20 type player then Boston v Philly (assuming both teams are healthy) will be an awesome match-up. I look forward to it

Thank you for being one of the few people that understands what was happening with the 76ers win streak. Playing 13 teams out of 17 that want to lose the game and are sitting players is incredible. Could even argue 14 since bucks had no interest in winning last night
Nets weren't trying to lose.  They played them twice in the streak which you aren't counting.  I'm not really sure the Knicks, Magic, Pistons, or Hornets were trying to lose either.  Those 5 teams aren't very good, but it is hard to say any of them were outright tanking. 
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: jambr380 on April 13, 2018, 11:03:53 AM
Nets weren't trying to lose.  They played them twice in the streak which you aren't counting.  I'm not really sure the Knicks, Magic, Pistons, or Hornets were trying to lose either.  Those 5 teams aren't very good, but it is hard to say any of them were outright tanking.

You could have fooled me regarding the Nets. We played them with our #9-10 and #12-18 best players on the roster. We literally didn't have any of our top 8 players and we still blew them out even though they were mostly healthy. They did have some wins down the stretch, but most of those were against teams that clearly had no intention of winning.

On a somewhat related note, I still think 'Brooklynettes' is the best name for a dance team I have ever heard...truly genius  ;D
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Moranis on April 13, 2018, 11:15:43 AM
Nets weren't trying to lose.  They played them twice in the streak which you aren't counting.  I'm not really sure the Knicks, Magic, Pistons, or Hornets were trying to lose either.  Those 5 teams aren't very good, but it is hard to say any of them were outright tanking.

You could have fooled me regarding the Nets. We played them with our #9-10 and #12-18 best players on the roster. We literally didn't have any of our top 8 players and we still blew them out even though they were mostly healthy. They did have some wins down the stretch, but most of those were against teams that clearly had no intention of winning.

On a somewhat related note, I still think 'Brooklynettes' is the best name for a dance team I have ever heard...truly genius  ;D
The Nets don't have their pick, why would they be trying to lose.  They have no incentive at all to lose.  They are just a bad team.  But a bad team and a team "trying to lose" are no where near the same thing.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: celticsclay on April 13, 2018, 11:29:55 AM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.
The Sixers starting 5 had the best net rating of any 5 man lineup playing over 300 minutes.  That lineup had better offensive and defensive ratings than the best offensive and defensive teams (117.1 offrtg and 95.7 defrtg).

The Sixers have a very high talent level right now but they still have to put it all together.
5th best regular season record and 3rd seed in the East is pretty pulled together already.  They need to make the right moves to become a true contender for the next decade.  What they do in free agency this offseason is going to be interesting and could enhance or stunt their potential.
I do agree that they're in a really good place, yet I feel as if their record is a bit inflated due to their somewhat empty win streak (beat 13 lottery teams, and there are lots of tanking teams). With Simmons still lacking a truly deadly offensive game (lack of free throw shooting and any shooting from range) I think they won't be a true contender, unless they snag LeBron / Paul George / whoever.

If they get a top 20 type player then Boston v Philly (assuming both teams are healthy) will be an awesome match-up. I look forward to it

Thank you for being one of the few people that understands what was happening with the 76ers win streak. Playing 13 teams out of 17 that want to lose the game and are sitting players is incredible. Could even argue 14 since bucks had no interest in winning last night
Nets weren't trying to lose.  They played them twice in the streak which you aren't counting.  I'm not really sure the Knicks, Magic, Pistons, or Hornets were trying to lose either.  Those 5 teams aren't very good, but it is hard to say any of them were outright tanking.

Grade a level nitpicking, also very inaccurate. Why on earth wouldn't the Knicks be trying to lose?

When Porzginas went down the Knicks were 9 games under .500. They proceeded to win 6 games. Combined. In February. March. and April. They successfully moved from the 11th or 12th pick in draft to 9th. They shut down Kanter.

Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Eja117 on April 13, 2018, 12:05:57 PM
emptiest triple double ever?
Lots of personal bests in the last day of the season. Young guys especially. Meaningless.

A triple double in 25 mins, as a guy who had the yips bad enough to keep him out all season, is a big deal no matter how you slice it.  If it had been Jaylen or Jayson, the forum's server would be down.  That's a flash that you expect to see from a top pick and future star.

Allen ray once had like 30 something right?i assure you the servers didn't go down
I'm still kinda excited about Greg Minor's 30 pointer
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: jambr380 on April 13, 2018, 12:26:21 PM
Nets weren't trying to lose.  They played them twice in the streak which you aren't counting.  I'm not really sure the Knicks, Magic, Pistons, or Hornets were trying to lose either.  Those 5 teams aren't very good, but it is hard to say any of them were outright tanking.

You could have fooled me regarding the Nets. We played them with our #9-10 and #12-18 best players on the roster. We literally didn't have any of our top 8 players and we still blew them out even though they were mostly healthy. They did have some wins down the stretch, but most of those were against teams that clearly had no intention of winning.

On a somewhat related note, I still think 'Brooklynettes' is the best name for a dance team I have ever heard...truly genius  ;D
The Nets don't have their pick, why would they be trying to lose.  They have no incentive at all to lose.  They are just a bad team.  But a bad team and a team "trying to lose" are no where near the same thing.

Oh, I know - I was just commenting on how the Nets might have been more or less indifferent, at times, to finish off the season. They somehow pulled out that Bucks win, but looked absolutely abysmal against us. When teams don't have anything to play for, they may be inconsistent. Of course they weren't anything like CHI/ATL/PHX/MEM/etc who might as well have just stayed home in those last few.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Moranis on April 13, 2018, 12:46:56 PM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.
The Sixers starting 5 had the best net rating of any 5 man lineup playing over 300 minutes.  That lineup had better offensive and defensive ratings than the best offensive and defensive teams (117.1 offrtg and 95.7 defrtg).

The Sixers have a very high talent level right now but they still have to put it all together.
5th best regular season record and 3rd seed in the East is pretty pulled together already.  They need to make the right moves to become a true contender for the next decade.  What they do in free agency this offseason is going to be interesting and could enhance or stunt their potential.
I do agree that they're in a really good place, yet I feel as if their record is a bit inflated due to their somewhat empty win streak (beat 13 lottery teams, and there are lots of tanking teams). With Simmons still lacking a truly deadly offensive game (lack of free throw shooting and any shooting from range) I think they won't be a true contender, unless they snag LeBron / Paul George / whoever.

If they get a top 20 type player then Boston v Philly (assuming both teams are healthy) will be an awesome match-up. I look forward to it

Thank you for being one of the few people that understands what was happening with the 76ers win streak. Playing 13 teams out of 17 that want to lose the game and are sitting players is incredible. Could even argue 14 since bucks had no interest in winning last night
Nets weren't trying to lose.  They played them twice in the streak which you aren't counting.  I'm not really sure the Knicks, Magic, Pistons, or Hornets were trying to lose either.  Those 5 teams aren't very good, but it is hard to say any of them were outright tanking.

Grade a level nitpicking, also very inaccurate. Why on earth wouldn't the Knicks be trying to lose?

When Porzginas went down the Knicks were 9 games under .500. They proceeded to win 6 games. Combined. In February. March. and April. They successfully moved from the 11th or 12th pick in draft to 9th. They shut down Kanter.
They are a bad team, but a bad team and a tanking team aren't the same thing.  Kanter is legitimately hurt.  You make it seem like they took a healthy guy and said, nah don't bother playing, and that just isn't the case.  They did shut down Lee and Hardaway the last game (Hardaway the last few), but they beat the Cavs in that one.  The Knicks roster is just terrible.  As you say they were below .500 with KP, without him they are just awful.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: celticsclay on April 13, 2018, 12:55:00 PM
If I never see / hear the phrase "triple double" ever again I will not mind one bit.

I'm done trying to draw any conclusions from what it means other than that a player came into contact frequently with the basketball over the course of the game.


That said, I could see Fultz becoming a valuable bench weapon for the Sixers in the playoffs and going into next year.

For the near future I think the Sixers are best served by maximizing their top lineup:

Simmons - Redick - Covington - Saric - Embiid


That group was __very__ good this year.  Their bench could use some help.
The Sixers starting 5 had the best net rating of any 5 man lineup playing over 300 minutes.  That lineup had better offensive and defensive ratings than the best offensive and defensive teams (117.1 offrtg and 95.7 defrtg).

The Sixers have a very high talent level right now but they still have to put it all together.
5th best regular season record and 3rd seed in the East is pretty pulled together already.  They need to make the right moves to become a true contender for the next decade.  What they do in free agency this offseason is going to be interesting and could enhance or stunt their potential.
I do agree that they're in a really good place, yet I feel as if their record is a bit inflated due to their somewhat empty win streak (beat 13 lottery teams, and there are lots of tanking teams). With Simmons still lacking a truly deadly offensive game (lack of free throw shooting and any shooting from range) I think they won't be a true contender, unless they snag LeBron / Paul George / whoever.

If they get a top 20 type player then Boston v Philly (assuming both teams are healthy) will be an awesome match-up. I look forward to it

Thank you for being one of the few people that understands what was happening with the 76ers win streak. Playing 13 teams out of 17 that want to lose the game and are sitting players is incredible. Could even argue 14 since bucks had no interest in winning last night
Nets weren't trying to lose.  They played them twice in the streak which you aren't counting.  I'm not really sure the Knicks, Magic, Pistons, or Hornets were trying to lose either.  Those 5 teams aren't very good, but it is hard to say any of them were outright tanking.

Grade a level nitpicking, also very inaccurate. Why on earth wouldn't the Knicks be trying to lose?

When Porzginas went down the Knicks were 9 games under .500. They proceeded to win 6 games. Combined. In February. March. and April. They successfully moved from the 11th or 12th pick in draft to 9th. They shut down Kanter.
They are a bad team, but a bad team and a tanking team aren't the same thing.  Kanter is legitimately hurt.  You make it seem like they took a healthy guy and said, nah don't bother playing, and that just isn't the case.  They did shut down Lee and Hardaway the last game (Hardaway the last few), but they beat the Cavs in that one.  The Knicks roster is just terrible.  As you say they were below .500 with KP, without him they are just awful.

Moranis, before you try to defend this win streak anymore with weird nonsense. What would you guess the cumulative record of the teams the 76ers played during this win streak was over 17 games (at the time they played them which actually makes them better)? 100 games under .500? 150 games under? 200?.....

Try 257 games. More than 3 seasons of losing every single game under .500. That is absolutely incredible and I think there is a very legitimate chance that it is an NBA record for a 17 game stretch (I will give 10 tommy points if anyone has a way of confirming this). You add in the fact that very many of these teams were actually trying to lose the games (knicks and nets sillyness nitpicking aside), and they were even worse than their records at the time. This is an absolutely incredible stretch and I am happy to point out the stats on it so other people realize it.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: ederson on April 13, 2018, 01:45:09 PM
one way or another the sixers faced the least capable of winning teams.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: celticsclay on April 13, 2018, 02:03:28 PM
one way or another the sixers faced the least capable of winning teams.

By comparison the Celtics had the opposite kind of luck. In our last 17 games we only played 6 lottery teams. While some people may think all schedules are equal this is simply not true.

The Knicks earlier in the season with Porzingas were hanging around about 8 games under .500.

The Suns tank was downright historic "But Phoenix engineered a superior tank compared to its competitors—and to almost every similar effort throughout league history. If the Suns lose on Tuesday, they will have won 15 games in the first half and five in the second, meaning their second-half win total will represent just 33.3 percent of their first-half tally. That’s the second-lowest percentage among more than 1,200 different teams that played an 82-game schedule" via the ringer

At the end of January Memphis was 14 games under .500. They sat their players and tanked like crazy at the end of the season to end an astounding 38 games under .500.

Dallas went 3-16 to close the season (they briefly stopped tanking for a bit after the fine from the league).

This is the real problem with widespread tanking for the league. It turns what are supposed to be balanced schedules into completely unbalanced schedules. If you flip the order the Celtics and 76ers played their games and keep everything else the same the Celtics probably win 4 more games and the 76ers probably lose 4-5 more. That's not right.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Moranis on April 13, 2018, 02:30:39 PM
I never claimed Philly played a hard schedule during that stretch, I merely disputed the notion that 13 of the 17 games were against teams that were tanking as that just wasn't the case.  13 of the 17 games were against bad teams, but a bad team and a tanking team are not the same thing.  that was the only point I was making. 
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Surferdad on April 13, 2018, 03:34:15 PM
emptiest triple double ever?
Lots of personal bests in the last day of the season. Young guys especially. Meaningless.

A triple double in 25 mins, as a guy who had the yips bad enough to keep him out all season, is a big deal no matter how you slice it.  If it had been Jaylen or Jayson, the forum's server would be down.  That's a flash that you expect to see from a top pick and future star.
No, not really a big deal.  Keep in mind that this is the lowest pressure situation possible being the last game of the season with little at stake.  This only shows that Fultz MAY be able to play in this league.  As a #1 pick, yes that’s important, but it only gets him to where he was when he was drafted.  In no way does it mean he will be a future star.  I still have no confidence in the guy.
Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: Celtics4ever on April 13, 2018, 07:01:54 PM
                               MPG   FG%   RPG   APG   BLKPG   STPG   PFPG   PPG
Last 10 Games   10   17.7   .429   3.4   4.6    0.3           1.0          1.6   7.6

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066636/markelle-fultz

Still it was a disappointing season now matter how you present it.  Consider that his last ten games probably has that triple double in it.  I hope we get past MILW because he is going to be easy to expose if and when we play them

Title: Re: Fultz ends season with triple-double (youngest ever)
Post by: guava_wrench on April 13, 2018, 09:13:04 PM
I won't get excited about a big game in the final game of the season when guys are resting. Look at our last game and the numbers some guys put up.

But I do expect him to contribute and Philly is going to be ridiculous. The Atlantic division will be crazy with both our teams so stocked for the future.